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Post by glenn1966 on Dec 30, 2009 20:27:12 GMT -5
Recently, I burned myself a single disc mainly using the Capitol Versions box sets. I simply called it "The Beatles Greatest Hits Volume 1. Wherever I could, I used a Dave Dexterized, fake stereo version.
Though I would never tout these as official versions, I must admit that tracks like "She Loves You", "I Call Your Name", and "I Feel Fine" have an echo-ey charm all their own.
At least, I don't have to keep pulling these CDs in and out all the time.
Love Me Do PS I Love You Please Please Me (The Early Beatles) From Me To You (Past Masters 2009) Thank You Girl She Loves You I'll Get You (The Beatles Second Album) I Want To Hold Your Hand This Boy All My Loving (Meet The Beatles). I Call Your Name You Can't Do That (Second Album) Can't Buy Me Love A Hard Day's Night (AHDN 2009) And I Love Her (Something New) I Feel Fine She's A Woman (Beatles '65) Eight Days A Week Yes It Is (Beatles VI) Ticket To Ride Help! w/James Bond Intro (Help!)
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Post by jellyzero79 on Jan 7, 2010 22:57:02 GMT -5
How could you listen to the Beatles '65 version of "She's A Woman"?? The songs is destroyed by Capitol and their endless, muddy echo additions.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 8, 2010 7:30:19 GMT -5
How could you listen to the Beatles '65 version of "She's A Woman"?? The songs is destroyed by Capitol and their endless, muddy echo additions. Not in my opinion. I think it works much better as a powerful, echoey, thunderous rocker, rather than as a rinky-dink kiddie tune, as I now hear it sounding whenever I listen to the original way. Especially the opening.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Jan 8, 2010 8:59:32 GMT -5
How could you listen to the Beatles '65 version of "She's A Woman"?? The songs is destroyed by Capitol and their endless, muddy echo additions. Not in my opinion. I think it works much better as a powerful, echoey, thunderous rocker, rather than as a rinky-dink kiddie tune, as I now hear it sounding whenever I listen to the original way. Especially the opening. I agree. The Capitol echo-drenched version is better than the dryer Parlophone issue. I was brought up on the American albums and overall I find them superior and the choice of preference when playing their albums. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by jellyzero79 on Jan 9, 2010 2:19:55 GMT -5
Sorry, I just like clean sounds and good quality. If I want a ton of bad reverb on great recordings I can add it myself on Sony Soundforge or some other program...I think for you all it is just nostalgia - lol
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 9, 2010 7:06:36 GMT -5
I think for you all it is just nostalgia - lol Then again, the Beatles are nostalgia - lol
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Post by jellyzero79 on Jan 11, 2010 7:51:11 GMT -5
Maybe that is true, Joe.
For me, The Beatles are oxygen, they are a living piece of my life, every moment it seems, past and present.
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Post by glenn1966 on Jan 11, 2010 15:41:14 GMT -5
Though I would never tout these as official versions, I must admit that tracks like "She Loves You", "I Call Your Name", and "I Feel Fine" have an echo-ey charm all their own. I never meant to suggest the Capitol versions should replace the Parlophone versions. I burned a copy of Beatles For Sale for myself and added the Parlophone IFF and SAW.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 11, 2010 20:01:31 GMT -5
Tell me do, you dexter-lovers you:
How can you tolerate a fellow fiddling with the Beatles' music: a fellow who didn't like that sort of music? How can you tolerate him continuing to do it in the face of the Fabs saying they did NOT like it? How can you tolerate his/Capitol's colossal arrogance?
Then you say, ah that's how I remember the music! Why aren't you angry that you were fooled? Why aren't you happy that you can now hear the music as the band themselves intended?
Bugger nostalgia - hear the Beatles as they were intended to be heard!
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Post by jellyzero79 on Jan 11, 2010 20:58:44 GMT -5
Hear! Hear!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 11, 2010 23:06:46 GMT -5
Tell me do, you dexter-lovers you: How can you tolerate a fellow fiddling with the Beatles' music: a fellow who didn't like that sort of music? How can you tolerate him continuing to do it in the face of the Fabs saying they did NOT like it? How can you tolerate his/Capitol's colossal arrogance? Then you say, ah that's how I remember the music! Why aren't you angry that you were fooled? Why aren't you happy that you can now hear the music as the band themselves intended? Bugger nostalgia - hear the Beatles as they were intended to be heard! Because, at the time, that was all we knew. And as bad as it is, it brings back memories for us. I am happy I can hear the music as intended. But I don't mind hearing it as I remember. I listened to "Meet the Beatles" too many times not to KNOW that running order.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 11, 2010 23:10:26 GMT -5
Not in my opinion. I think it works much better as a powerful, echoey, thunderous rocker, rather than as a rinky-dink kiddie tune, as I now hear it sounding whenever I listen to the original way. Especially the opening. I agree. The Capitol echo-drenched version is better than the dryer Parlophone issue. I was brought up on the American albums and overall I find them superior and the choice of preference when playing their albums. Regards, Beatle Bob I like some of the qualities of the UK versions better than the Capitol ones. I remember listening to an old 8-track of "With the Beatles" and loving the way, as bad as it sounds to me now, that "Roll Over Beethoven" sort of faded in and then it was in TRUE STEREO (or at least had the channels separated clearly, as opposed to the echoey Capitol mixes). But I can't get the Capitol mixes out of my system, even with the remastered CDS.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 12, 2010 1:15:17 GMT -5
I do have to say that some of you guys are SOOOOOOO conservative. I grew up hearing music on not so-good systems. Now I revel in hearing ALL the music I like through a great sound system. I have no nostalgia for iffy sound from the low quality sound-systems my parents had (and not their fault; they had fair quality at a good price from what was available).
Fancy being nostalgic for dreadful sounds. As odd as, you guys!
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Post by glenn1966 on Jan 12, 2010 5:21:32 GMT -5
I was born in '66 (hence my screen name), and I discovered the Beatles in the early '80s. I remember being used to the Beatles '65 version of "I Feel Fine" so much that when I heard the original on some syndicated radio special, I thought it was an outtake. I like both versions.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 12, 2010 6:50:05 GMT -5
Tell me do, you dexter-lovers you: How can you tolerate a fellow fiddling with the Beatles' music: a fellow who didn't like that sort of music? How can you tolerate him continuing to do it in the face of the Fabs saying they did NOT like it? How can you tolerate his/Capitol's colossal arrogance? Then you say, ah that's how I remember the music! Why aren't you angry that you were fooled? Why aren't you happy that you can now hear the music as the band themselves intended? Bugger nostalgia - hear the Beatles as they were intended to be heard! Because I liked the effect of it, period. You keep going on and on about the "nostalgia" factor, and that's only secondary (for me at any rate). My all-time favorite Beatles album is the U.S. "THE BEATLES' SECOND ALBUM". It is a balls-to-the-wall ROCKIN' album, and that is because of the sound of the songs as well as the arrangement of the tracks, including the hit single SHE LOVES YOU. You should read the book by Dave Marsh which praises THE BEATLES' SECOND ALBUM. Just because the Beatles themselves intended this or that, it doesn't always mean it was the best choice. That's right. The Beatles were geniuses, but when it came to sequencing on their albums I think Capitol surpassed them with albums like MEET THE BEATLES, BEATLES 65, BEATLES VI, THE SECOND ALBUM, etc. As I've said previously, I went through my phase when I was in my teens where I'd buy all the imports from the UK and Japan, just to get those clean-sounding "intended" versions. I appreciated the sound "improvement" at that time, but over these years have found I prefer the more raw and rockin' reverb on the tracks in question. Really toughens up those particular songs. And I like singles also appearing on the albums, especially the B-Sides. This business of having to rely on something like I CALL YOUR NAME only as part of an obscure EP, is something I don't appreciate, whether the Beatles intended it that way or not. Hence, today we're saddled with this bizarre and uneven "PAST MASTERS" collection.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 12, 2010 15:22:26 GMT -5
Bela,
For a deep and original thinker as you claimed once to be, you are one of the most conservative people I see on music forums. But if that's your thing, that's OK ... ish!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 12, 2010 17:36:57 GMT -5
Bela, For a deep and original thinker as you claimed once to be, you are one of the most conservative people I see on music forums. But if that's your thing, that's OK ... ish! You can think whatever you like; but my posts on this forum do not necessarily reveal "all that I am". That goes not only for the way I think, but also my tastes in music. I have to laugh at you calling me "conservative" for enjoying the Dexter mixes though; if anything, your playing it ultra-safe by only accepting the music and albums the way The Beatles intended is what may truly be called "conservative"!
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 12, 2010 18:33:21 GMT -5
Bela, For a deep and original thinker as you claimed once to be, you are one of the most conservative people I see on music forums. But if that's your thing, that's OK ... ish! You can think whatever you like; but my posts on this forum do not necessarily reveal "all that I am". That goes not only for the way I think, but also my tastes in music. I have to laugh at you calling me "conservative" for enjoying the Dexter mixes though; if anything, your playing it ultra-safe by only accepting the music and albums the way The Beatles intended is what may truly be called "conservative"! Try to follow: you are conservative in that you much prefer the way the music sounded in your youth. OTOH, I have progressed - for me, that means hearing the music through excellent sound systems. Note that word "progressed".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 12, 2010 18:54:54 GMT -5
Try to follow: you are conservative in that you much prefer the way the music sounded in your youth. OTOH, I have progressed - for me, that means hearing the music through excellent sound systems. Note that word "progressed". Now, YOU try to follow: As I already wrote, "nostalgia" is only secondary for me; the main thing is, I have come to prefer the sound of certain "Dexterized" songs, Period. Now, why do you have such a difficult time grasping this, and why do you keep insisting it's otherwise? By the way, I listen to ultra-clean and smooth CDs now; but yet I did not listen to CDs in my youth. I don't sit around today and play vinyl records on a primitive phonograph, "just because I'm nostalgiac for it, and this was how it sounded in my youth". What are you even talking about? I just sprang for the brand-new CDs of the Stereo and Mono Remasters, with improved sound ... have you? Oooh, you're such a "rebel". You stick to the versions the way the Beatles intended, yet chastize those who go the other way and break convention by playing the Dexter mixes!
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 12, 2010 19:38:57 GMT -5
Now, YOU try to follow: As I already wrote, "nostalgia" is only secondary for me; the main thing is, I have come to prefer the sound of certain "Dexterized" songs, Period. Now, why do you have such a difficult time grasping this, and why do you keep insisting it's otherwise? I totally grasp what you're saying. Er ... that's how I know you're trapped in the past! You heard the dexter stuff on your mother's knee, and you can't let go. Yes, I totally grasp your position. Arch-conservative, trapped in the past, has made no progress in life!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 13, 2010 7:53:15 GMT -5
I totally grasp what you're saying. Er ... that's how I know you're trapped in the past! You heard the dexter stuff on your mother's knee, and you can't let go. Yes, I totally grasp your position. Arch-conservative, trapped in the past, has made no progress in life! I guess you've made no progress in life, as you continually only listen to the Beatles as "they intended"! Why not broaden your horizons by also trying the Dexter versions along with the others? As you conveniently ignore --- I listen to CDs (not records). I bought and love the sterling new MONO and STEREO REMASTERS on CD (again - did you buy them? You haven't responded). With movies, I own Blu-ray as well as DVD. Have a big HD TV. I grew up on 8mm film and a projector; don't use it anymore.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 13, 2010 14:30:39 GMT -5
-----------(again - did you buy them? You haven't responded). Hey Bela - go have a look at the My Ears Were Surpised thread. The answer's there! Is that more evidence of your "deep and original thinking" skills? Um - you do know, don't you, that when someone descends into mere abuse they are showing that they have been out-debated?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 13, 2010 17:39:07 GMT -5
Um - you do know, don't you, that when someone descends into mere abuse they are showing that they have been out-debated? Oh, is that why you've been so abusive from the get-go towards me in this discussion? Because you've been out-debated? I was wondering what I'd done to warrant such abuse, before I ultimately responded to you in kind. Because all you've done is reaped what you've sown from the very beginning here ... being condescending to me first, rudely saying I "have not progressed in life", despite the fact that I continually provide perfectly contrasting examples to the contrary that even a monkey would understand. But I tend to think someone's being a moron when, no matter how many times I clearly offer evidence to the contrary, they continue to be smug and pretend not to notice it. It is clearly you who has been out-debated here, McCrab. Anyone reading all this can see that. You continue to plug your fingers into your ears and say "la la la la" to yourself while I debunk every one of your bogus and incorrect charges with proof to the contrary. If you're on such a crusade against people "not being progressive", why don't you run off and focus on those who don't care to buy the new remasters and think the old CDs are "good enough"?
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 13, 2010 18:13:48 GMT -5
It seems to me, Boris, that you're always playing catch-up in our little contretemps. Flattering, but ultimately boring. ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 13, 2010 18:49:38 GMT -5
Ah, you beat me to it - I was going to say you could also call me Boris as well as Bela, as I enjoy both names. Thanks! But other than that high point, again I see you are a small person, and incapable of admitting when you're wrong and when you have been mistaken. Furthermore, I realize you're basically a troll around here who just likes to make trouble and who gets his rocks off seeing how many buttons he can push on people. You don't really have any desire to engage in a dialogue. So I'm done indulging you. Go find someone else to play your games with, as I'm sure you'll be looking.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 13, 2010 19:04:46 GMT -5
Ah, you beat me to it - I was going to say you could also call me Boris as well as Bela, as I enjoy both names. Thanks! No problems. Great guys they were, that Boris-Joe Lugosi and that Joe-Bela Karloff. But really, stop taking things so seriously and getting upset. You and I could engage in amusing badinage, but only if you kept the light touch.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 13, 2010 19:11:54 GMT -5
I listened to "Meet the Beatles" too many times not to KNOW that running order. And it was sometimes so much superior to what the Beatles intended. I mean, starting off the album with I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND, right into I SAW HER STANDING THERE, and then THIS BOY (no single B-side required there).
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Post by OldFred on Jan 13, 2010 19:39:08 GMT -5
It's been touched on in previous threads and on other researched sources and message boards that 'Rubber Soul' inspired Brian Wilson to create his masterpiece 'Pet Sounds', which in turn inspired McCartney to create 'Sgt. Pepper'. It's believed that Brian may have heard the Capitol Records version of 'Rubber Soul', with it's different song tracking, which made the American 'RB' a more acoustic album than the British version, and some prefer the American 'Rubber Soul' over the British one. True, it's not the way the Beatles intended it to be, but it's a case where Capitol got it right and in the process helped in the creation of another classic, ground-breaking album.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 13, 2010 21:00:35 GMT -5
I do have to say that some of you guys are SOOOOOOO conservative. I grew up hearing music on not so-good systems. Now I revel in hearing ALL the music I like through a great sound system. I have no nostalgia for iffy sound from the low quality sound-systems my parents had (and not their fault; they had fair quality at a good price from what was available). Fancy being nostalgic for dreadful sounds. As odd as, you guys! Why is this so hard for you to grasp, McCabe? We grew up with these mixes and the albums' running order. I'm very pleased we have the U.S. mixes. Hell, I had a petition on my website over a dozen years ago to get them released. Whether YOU like them or not is inconsequential. America grew up on them and liked them enough that they were released, first as bootlegs, then legitimately. That says enough. And how does liking them make anyone conservative? Even if someone did reject the UK mixes or the remasters in favor of the Capitol mixes, conservative has nothing to do with it. The Capitol mixes were, at one time, the predominent mixes of the Beatles available in the U.S. They still have their place.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 13, 2010 21:31:11 GMT -5
Best answer is to quote myself:
But of course, if you're happy, that's great. It's just that different people have different standards of excellence, I suppose.
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