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Post by RockoRoll on Oct 16, 2010 9:29:57 GMT -5
What happened to former Wings drummer Joe English.... IMO, the best drummer in Wings, damn good singer (shame he was only allowed to sing once on Speed Of Sound) in the best lineup, and playing with the second best guitarist Paul has ever played with i.e. Jimmy McCulloch.... Well, I guess it's good to see that Joe is still alive and not doing drug's anymore (even thou I didn't know he was into drugs.) Seems that the only way out of being in that deep is to go equally deep the other direction.... Click this link below.... www.wordoffaithfellowship.org/testimonies/joe-english
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 16, 2010 9:57:32 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks for finding and sharing that, Rocko!
Joe English was a great drummer and yeah, I never read that he was doing heroin with Wings as he must have stayed under the radar provided by known wildman, Jimmy McCulloch.
I have never seen anyone in The Beatles' story so transform their appearance to such a "normal" to the real world look as Joe English. He looks as straight and narrow now as a, well minister! All the Beatles always looked rock and roll(well not John during the househusband years but he didn't look normal either, see his South Africa photo). Others in the story look worn out or never changed,i.e., Pete Best.
Well, whatever gets you through the night!
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Post by OldFred on Oct 16, 2010 15:52:38 GMT -5
Good for Joe, glad he got his life together!
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 17, 2010 22:24:04 GMT -5
When Joe said he served the devil, no--he wasn't referring to Paul. He said he consorted with prostitutes, cheats and swindlers. I'm sure he wasn't referring to MPL Communicaitons.
Really, its a touching story completely under the radar. It seems few people knew about this. Paul always said he went back to America because he was homesick. That never made sense. I wonder if Paul let him go because of the drug habit. Joe has a really nice voice by the way.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 18, 2010 0:17:24 GMT -5
When Joe said he served the devil, no--he wasn't referring to Paul. He said he consorted with prostitutes, cheats and swindlers. I'm sure he wasn't referring to MPL Communicaitons. Really, its a touching story completely under the radar. It seems few people knew about this. Paul always said he went back to America because he was homesick. That never made sense. I wonder if Paul let him go because of the drug habit. Joe has a really nice voice by the way. I took the Reverend English's testimonial as a blistering attack on Paul and Linda. I think he was referring to Paul as the devil. We know that Linda "hated" religion, she thought it creepy. Joe English doesn't exempt Paul from his rant against his former rock and roll life so.....
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Post by OldFred on Oct 18, 2010 5:49:30 GMT -5
When Joe said he served the devil, no--he wasn't referring to Paul. He said he consorted with prostitutes, cheats and swindlers. I'm sure he wasn't referring to MPL Communicaitons. Really, its a touching story completely under the radar. It seems few people knew about this. Paul always said he went back to America because he was homesick. That never made sense. I wonder if Paul let him go because of the drug habit. Joe has a really nice voice by the way. I took the Reverend English's testimonial as a blistering attack on Paul and Linda. I think he was referring to Paul as the devil. We know that Linda "hated" religion, she thought it creepy. Joe English doesn't exempt Paul from his rant against his former rock and roll life so..... I didn't take Joe's testimony as an attack on Paul & Linda. He was referring to his own personal journey. The Rock & Roll lifestyle is not a particularly healthy one, both spiritually and physically. Some can handle it, some can't. You just have to look at the casualty list of those like Hendrix, Keith Moon and others who lived the R&R life to excess and paid for it with their lives. Joe made a decision to change his life for the better and for that he should be commended.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 18, 2010 6:06:01 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover.
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Post by RockoRoll on Oct 18, 2010 7:47:15 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover. You are a legend Ursamajor, I thought I was the only *Wings* fan here......
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 18, 2010 7:55:52 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover. You are a legend Ursamajor, I thought I was the only *Wings* fan here...... Rock, all I can say is that Wings Over America blew me away, not only the great songs but Jimmy's playing , he was up there with all the other "gun slingers" of the 70s and then when I saw Rockshow Joe blew me away, the man is an octopus on the drums !!
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Post by RockoRoll on Oct 18, 2010 8:47:22 GMT -5
Rock, all I can say is that Wings Over America blew me away, not only the great songs but Jimmy's playing , he was up there with all the other "gun slingers" of the 70s and then when I saw Rockshow Joe blew me away, the man is an octopus on the drums !! Spot on Ursa, back in the 70's I was caught in both worlds, obsessed with *The Beatles* and *Wings* and still am. Jimmy's great guitar work, Denny and his twin neck guitar singing/songwriting, Paul's loud and complex bass playing, Joes drumming , that three piece horn section, you can't fault the band. We had a thread asking whether there were albums equivalent to Revolver to Let It Be, I haven't replied but to me albums Ram, BOTR through to London Town are the only one I'd choose. Paul was at his top form, different band, different sound..... A liitle gem from Jimmy - Medicine Jar
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Post by OldFred on Oct 18, 2010 8:56:35 GMT -5
Here are a couple of more videos of Joe English talking about his life with some nice clips of him in concert.
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Post by mikev on Oct 18, 2010 11:21:38 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover. You are a legend Ursamajor, I thought I was the only *Wings* fan here...... I agree Jimmy was the best Wings guitarist but "brother" Henry still had the best Wings solo "My Love".
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 18, 2010 16:06:05 GMT -5
I agree Jimmy was the best Wings guitarist but "brother" Henry still had the best Wings solo "My Love". My Love is a great solo, will never argue that, there is a Jimmy solo of Letting Go which is not the one from WOA and when I heard it, I thought Wow !! Jimmy's been unleashed
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Post by nine on Oct 18, 2010 22:03:35 GMT -5
I agree Jimmy was the best Wings guitarist but "brother" Henry still had the best Wings solo "My Love". My Love is a great solo, will never argue that, there is a Jimmy solo of Letting Go which is not the one from WOA and when I heard it, I thought Wow !! Jimmy's been unleashed I love Jimmy's solo on Junior's Farm.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 18, 2010 23:39:49 GMT -5
When Joe said he served the devil, no--he wasn't referring to Paul. He said he consorted with prostitutes, cheats and swindlers. I'm sure he wasn't referring to MPL Communicaitons. Really, its a touching story completely under the radar. It seems few people knew about this. Paul always said he went back to America because he was homesick. That never made sense. I wonder if Paul let him go because of the drug habit. Joe has a really nice voice by the way. I took the Reverend English's testimonial as a blistering attack on Paul and Linda. I think he was referring to Paul as the devil. We know that Linda "hated" religion, she thought it creepy. Joe English doesn't exempt Paul from his rant against his former rock and roll life so..... Can't agree with you here because if he really wanted to take off on Paul he would have. Paul didn't drive him to drugs. He said he had the problem since the age of 13 after he went into the music business. I suppose you want to blame the Beatles for appearing on Ed Sullivan for that. He also continued his drug abuse for many decades after he left Paul's employ. He just said he wasted the good money Paul paid him on dope. It looks like Joe's character was flawed long before he met Paul and Linda. Actually Paul does believe in God. Not only from all the references in his songs and in interviews, but read the book Blackbird Singing and you will see poems about the existence of God.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 18, 2010 23:42:20 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover. Can't agree with that either. Back To the Egg was brilliant.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 18, 2010 23:45:00 GMT -5
My Love is a great solo, will never argue that, there is a Jimmy solo of Letting Go which is not the one from WOA and when I heard it, I thought Wow !! Jimmy's been unleashed I love Jimmy's solo on Junior's Farm. That one was amazing. Very smooth and melodic.
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Post by nine on Oct 19, 2010 1:29:45 GMT -5
I love Jimmy's solo on Junior's Farm. That one was amazing. Very smooth and melodic. Including his present band I wonder what a super Wings band would be. I'd have Jimmy on guitar for starters.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 19, 2010 2:02:37 GMT -5
The version of Wings with Joe English and Jimmy McCulloch was not only the best Wings but one of the best bands of the 70s. It was all downhill after those two left and it stopped Wings from progressing , IMHO. A few years later it was all over red rover. Can't agree with that either. Back To the Egg was brilliant. Sorry dude but Lawrence Juber can't hold a candle to Jimmy, he did not deliver on Back to the Egg, not sure what happened but he has next to no solo's on that album and I can't figure out why.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Oct 19, 2010 2:31:15 GMT -5
Can't agree with that either. Back To the Egg was brilliant. Sorry dude but Lawrence Juber can't hold a candle to Jimmy, he did not deliver on Back to the Egg, not sure what happened but he has next to no solo's on that album and I can't figure out why. Its true many of the songs didn't have solos. Juber was talented but not as much as Jimmy. I still like the album though.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 19, 2010 3:24:25 GMT -5
Sorry dude but Lawrence Juber can't hold a candle to Jimmy, he did not deliver on Back to the Egg, not sure what happened but he has next to no solo's on that album and I can't figure out why. Its true many of the songs didn't have solos. Juber was talented but not as much as Jimmy. I still like the album though. The album's good , I like it too but Lawrence Juber has this big reputation and it's just strange that Paul did rock on BTTE but this time the lead guitarist was kept in the background. I'll go back and listen to Last Flight and see if there's any Juber solo's on the songs live.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 19, 2010 7:17:20 GMT -5
How did this thread turn from Joe English to Wings in general? How about a separate thread just on Wings?
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Post by OldFred on Oct 19, 2010 7:53:41 GMT -5
Short clip with Joe and Jimmy McCulloch, though I'm not crazy that Denny offered Jimmy a drink.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 19, 2010 13:12:00 GMT -5
Short clip with Joe and Jimmy McCulloch, though I'm not crazy that Denny offered Jimmy a drink. That was very cool, to hear Jimmy and Joe speak although Linda had to keep butting in. Here is why Jimmy was the greatest guitarist Paul played with and you can tell from this short clip: he was his own man, an ornery little cuss and despite the interviewer's attempts to get Jimmy to kiss Paul's arse, Jimmy won't and simply says it's alright to play with Paul. He wasn't fawning all over Paul like almost all of Paul's post-Wing musicians do including his current band. Jimmy was kicked out of Wings wasn't he, allegedly for drugs and alcohol but I wonder if it was because he was his own man and not a "yes"-man.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 19, 2010 13:43:33 GMT -5
How did this thread turn from Joe English to Wings in general? How about a separate thread just on Wings? How did this board turn into a Monkees, Joe English, Tony Hicks, ABBA, Tom Bosley board? ;D
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Post by OldFred on Oct 19, 2010 13:59:25 GMT -5
How did this thread turn from Joe English to Wings in general? How about a separate thread just on Wings? How did this board turn into a Monkees, Joe English, Tony Hicks, ABBA, Tom Bosely board? ;D ALL on the Other Music and Off-Topic boards, Joe. Now, go fight with RTP!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 19, 2010 14:33:59 GMT -5
How did this board turn into a Monkees, Joe English, Tony Hicks, ABBA, Tom Bosely board? ;D ALL on the Other Music and Off-Topic boards, Joe. Now, go fight with RTP!Well, here is OUR first "fight", I guess. Sorry you don't like the debating between RTP and myself, Fred. But you're welcome to join in anytime, if you have anything interesting to add. (Did you by any chance privately suggest to the mods that we have a separate "battleground" folder? ) Yes, I know that the OTHER MUSIC/OFF TOPIC BOARDS are where the other-music posts are featured. I've defended your threads on The Monkees in the past regarding that, when others were objecting. But I recall another member at that time saying that the problem was, he chooses to access the "LAST 100 POSTS" option at the bottom of the page to see "what's new". I do this now myself.. so, inadvertently, everything pops up at once! Including, I guess tragicaly for some of you, the "fighting between myself, RTP, and other members". But it's still good, serious, Beatles discussions.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 20, 2010 2:53:22 GMT -5
I like RTP vs Joe Karlosi, it's entertaining, it's funny, it's dramatic and it allows me to unwind before I go to bed.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 20, 2010 5:24:38 GMT -5
I like RTP vs Joe Karlosi, it's entertaining, it's funny, it's dramatic and it allows me to unwind before I go to bed. And remember, it's not just me vs. RTP -- it's you vs. RTP as well, and others vs. RTP. And even ursamajor vs. Karlosi, for a period.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 20, 2010 5:46:44 GMT -5
I like RTP vs Joe Karlosi, it's entertaining, it's funny, it's dramatic and it allows me to unwind before I go to bed. And remember, it's not just me vs. RTP -- it's you vs. RTP as well, and others vs. RTP. And even ursamajor vs. Karlosi, for a period. haha It's dog eat dog on this board. We can go another round if you like With RTP , I think it's almost 99% of this board vs RTP , I think he loves it !!
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