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Post by acebackwords on Jan 13, 2011 16:22:19 GMT -5
Let's see... So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise - DubiousYou better see right through that mother's eyes - MeaninglessThose freaks was right when they said you was dead - WrongThe one mistake you made was in your head - MeaninglessAh, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? You live with straights who tell you you was king - DubiousJump when your momma tell you anything - WrongThe only thing you done was yesterday - WrongAnd since you're gone you're just another day - WrongAh, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? A pretty face may last a year or two - WrongBut pretty soon they'll see what you can do - WrongThe sound you make is muzak to my ears - CorrectYou must have learned something in all those years - MeaninglessAh, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? At a quick count, I make that precisely two dubious, three meaningless and seven wrong statements contained in 'How do you sleep?' ....oh, and one correct - possibly...still thinking about that one! Interesting blow by blow. Pretty much agree with all of them except the first. I think Sgt Pepper DID take all the Beatles by surprise. They were never quite the same afterwards. John has opined that Paul was "profoundly shocked by LSD." I think the whole psychedelic period left a very disturbing after-taste with Paul.
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Post by brothermichael on Jan 13, 2011 22:32:45 GMT -5
Let's not forget it was John who started the fight with his attack on Paul (and everyone else) in the Rolling Stone interview in Dec. 1970. I'll play. Let's not forget that Paul started the fight by bossing everyone around in-studio and being rude (along with everyone else) toward John's new girlfriend. But doesn't it seem odd that perhaps the rudest of all (George) is wailing away on this song and never was on the receiving end of such a petty attack? This was all about who sided with Klein and who didn't -- money, power, pride. Ringo knew this had gone too far.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 13, 2011 23:37:05 GMT -5
I've read so many good/bad posts on *How Do You Sleep*, but what occasionly puts me off John was when his film came out Imagine/Gimme Some Truth?. Obviously the uncut version, and they decided show it Xmas time (which was stupid thing to do, from our TV Network?) He performs the song, and right at the end, John finishes off with *How Do You Sleep at night, ya c**tI don't care what anyone says in regards to the lyrics to the song, but that last bit was below the belt.... IMO, those two words at the end of that line, should have been removed/edited, from the film..... Hey Rocko, I think the last 2 words you mentioned are how John would have spoken to Paul during the Beatles when they were fighting so in a way I don't mind that being there as the film was called Gimme Some Truth so I guess as fans we were given some truth about John and his relationship with Paul. It's disappointing that things got that low between them no doubt, totally unnecessary. Thx Ursa, you must be the first to reply, I remember bringing this up 4/5 years ago with only JSD commenting it must be dodgy topic (lol) to reply to....As for what you've said, I'd agree with you also, but its the way John said it, like there was more too it, that we don't know of. Only John & George would have known, was it in regards to the beatles breakup, digs from the Ram album, jealousy over somthing?, don't know.....
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 14, 2011 2:31:17 GMT -5
*How Do You Sleep at night, ya c**tLOL!!! ;D Oh, it wasn't part of the song -- it was just an ad lib in the studio. And funny as hell IMO. Why? Because the song was focused about Paulie and we shoud never have beatles bickering? No, I like that we see John as he really was in the studio. This includes also where John swears at an engineer nd uses the 'F Word', too. Should that have been cut out of the film also? Yeah, I’d be laughing out aloud as well Joe, but what shocked me was seeing/hearing for the first time, and John’s tone that I didn’t like. As mentioned to Ursa there was bit more to it, that happened during that period. Strange too see George very quite also, why wasn’t he getting into the F’s and C’s Yeah, fair enough, I was laughing as well with all the other F’s during the film. But from one Beatle to another, geez, Paul must have done something pretty bad, to be called that. I’m surprised Paul’s remained cool over this incident through the years, I would’ve went ballistic...... They can bicker as much as they like, but when shown to 50 trillion viewers, the damage is done. Its more the non beatle fans, than us …That night when we the saw the film during Xmas (20 yr ago), I sort of understood (even thou I was shocked) where John was coming from, but the other 13 family & friends was the worry, should of heard them John this, John that, in the middle of the song Gimme Some Truth, they just changed the channel? Yep, your correct with John acting how he should within the studio, F – words don’t worry me, I laugh at them like yourself, even my son loves the film (he bought the DVD for me 2-3 years ago), but the hatred they had at the time with one another is left unexplained….George, is the other worry, I can understand the riff he had on the Let It Be film, but what was with him for 20yr giving it to Paul with the Beatle Diaries Book eg, Paul’s a lousy bass player, hyprocrite, etc. I could write a list of them, but go through all of George’s solo interviews, and you’ll know what I mean…You never see/hear Paul or Ringo (as bad) ever carry on like that, never to the extent of John & George......
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Post by nine on Jan 14, 2011 2:34:28 GMT -5
LOL!!! ;D Oh, it wasn't part of the song -- it was just an ad lib in the studio. And funny as hell IMO. Why? Because the song was focused about Paulie and we shoud never have beatles bickering? No, I like that we see John as he really was in the studio. This includes also where John swears at an engineer nd uses the 'F Word', too. Should that have been cut out of the film also? Yeah, I’d be laughing at loud out well Joe, but what shocked me was seeing/hearing for the first time, and John’s tone that I didn’t like. As mentioned to Ursa there was bit more to it, that happened during that period. Strange too see George very quite also, why wasn’t he getting into the F’s and C’s Yeah, fair enough, I was laughing as well with all the other F’s during the film. But from one Beatle to another, geez, Paul must have done something pretty bad, to be called that. I’m surprised Paul’s remained cool over this incident through years, I would’ve went ballistic They can bicker as much as they like, but when shown to 50 trillion viewers, the damage is done. Its more the non beatle fans, than us …That night when we the saw the film during Xmas (20 yr ago), I sort of understood (even thou I was shocked) where John was coming from, but the other 13 family & friends was the worry, should of heard them John this, John that, in the middle of the song Gimme Some Truth, they just changed the channel? Yep, your correct with John acting how he should within the studio, F – words don’t worry me, I laugh at them like yourself, even my son loves the film (he bought the DVD for me 2-3 years ago), but the hatred they had at the time with one another is left unexplained….George, is the other worry, I can’t understand the riff he had on the Let It Be film, but what was with him for 20yr giving it to Paul with Beatle Diaries Book eg, Paul’s a lousy bass player, hyprocrite, etc. I could write a list of them, but go through all of George’s solo interviews, and you’ll know what I mean…You never see/hear Paul or Ringo (as bad) ever carry on like that, never to the extent of John & George There must be footage of Ringo from these sessions because he was there and he told Lennon to tone it down.... Oh, and another thing... I don't think any of that "how do ya sleep yer c*?" was ever aired in Lennon's lifetime.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 14, 2011 2:59:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I’d be laughing at loud out well Joe, but what shocked me was seeing/hearing for the first time, and John’s tone that I didn’t like. As mentioned to Ursa there was bit more to it, that happened during that period. Strange too see George very quite also, why wasn’t he getting into the F’s and C’s Yeah, fair enough, I was laughing as well with all the other F’s during the film. But from one Beatle to another, geez, Paul must have done something pretty bad, to be called that. I’m surprised Paul’s remained cool over this incident through years, I would’ve went ballistic They can bicker as much as they like, but when shown to 50 trillion viewers, the damage is done. Its more the non beatle fans, than us …That night when we the saw the film during Xmas (20 yr ago), I sort of understood (even thou I was shocked) where John was coming from, but the other 13 family & friends was the worry, should of heard them John this, John that, in the middle of the song Gimme Some Truth, they just changed the channel? Yep, your correct with John acting how he should within the studio, F – words don’t worry me, I laugh at them like yourself, even my son loves the film (he bought the DVD for me 2-3 years ago), but the hatred they had at the time with one another is left unexplained….George, is the other worry, I can’t understand the riff he had on the Let It Be film, but what was with him for 20yr giving it to Paul with Beatle Diaries Book eg, Paul’s a lousy bass player, hyprocrite, etc. I could write a list of them, but go through all of George’s solo interviews, and you’ll know what I mean…You never see/hear Paul or Ringo (as bad) ever carry on like that, never to the extent of John & George There must be footage of Ringo from these sessions because he was there and he told Lennon to tone it down.... Oh, and another thing... I don't think any of that "how do ya sleep yer c*?" was ever aired in Lennon's lifetime. ;D - You might be right nine...lol Never aired, yeah your right, ooh..... Ahhh, we'll let Joe answer that one...?
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 14, 2011 13:21:38 GMT -5
LOL!!! ;D Oh, it wasn't part of the song -- it was just an ad lib in the studio. And funny as hell IMO. Why? Because the song was focused about Paulie and we shoud never have beatles bickering? No, I like that we see John as he really was in the studio. This includes also where John swears at an engineer nd uses the 'F Word', too. Should that have been cut out of the film also? Yeah, I’d be laughing out aloud as well Joe, but what shocked me was seeing/hearing for the first time, and John’s tone that I didn’t like. As mentioned to Ursa there was bit more to it, that happened during that period. Strange too see George very quite also, why wasn’t he getting into the F’s and C’s Yeah, fair enough, I was laughing as well with all the other F’s during the film. But from one Beatle to another, geez, Paul must have done something pretty bad, to be called that. I’m surprised Paul’s remained cool over this incident through the years, I would’ve went ballistic...... They can bicker as much as they like, but when shown to 50 trillion viewers, the damage is done. Its more the non beatle fans, than us …That night when we the saw the film during Xmas (20 yr ago), I sort of understood (even thou I was shocked) where John was coming from, but the other 13 family & friends was the worry, should of heard them John this, John that, in the middle of the song Gimme Some Truth, they just changed the channel? Yep, your correct with John acting how he should within the studio, F – words don’t worry me, I laugh at them like yourself, even my son loves the film (he bought the DVD for me 2-3 years ago), but the hatred they had at the time with one another is left unexplained….George, is the other worry, I can understand the riff he had on the Let It Be film, but what was with him for 20yr giving it to Paul with the Beatle Diaries Book eg, Paul’s a lousy bass player, hyprocrite, etc. I could write a list of them, but go through all of George’s solo interviews, and you’ll know what I mean…You never see/hear Paul or Ringo (as bad) ever carry on like that, never to the extent of John & George...... This behavior is really not unexplained though it is unjustified. You have to remember what was going on in early 1971. On December 31, 1970, Paul sued the others and Klein in high court to dissolve the partnership and put Apple's financial affairs in a receivership until they could be sorted out. Paul filed the suit after at least 6 months of torturous indecision during which Paul said his stomach was in knots. He begged the others to release him from the partnership contract but they refused with George telling him on the phone "you'll stay on the fucking label and like it, Hari Krishna", and hung up. He came to the conclusion that the only way to save the Beatles from themselves and Allen Klein was to sue them. We all know the story. In the end Paul prevailed and he was proven right. But George and John especially resented it at the time. They later thanked Paul for doing it.
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 14, 2011 21:39:56 GMT -5
Good posts by everyone all round, what is puzzling is that given it was obvious the Beatles would not continue anymore and Paul was trying to get out, why did John, George and Ringo make it difficult for Paul ? Were they that brainwashed by Allen Klein ? John and George don't come across as stupid in interviews so I just wonder what else was going on ?
I wonder if Paul told them that he would have to sue them if they did not dissolve the partnership ?
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 14, 2011 21:45:59 GMT -5
Hey Rocko, I think the last 2 words you mentioned are how John would have spoken to Paul during the Beatles when they were fighting so in a way I don't mind that being there as the film was called Gimme Some Truth so I guess as fans we were given some truth about John and his relationship with Paul. It's disappointing that things got that low between them no doubt, totally unnecessary. Thx Ursa, you must be the first to reply, I remember bringing this up 4/5 years ago with only JSD commenting it must be dodgy topic (lol) to reply to....As for what you've said, I'd agree with you also, but its the way John said it, like there was more too it, that we don't know of. Only John & George would have known, was it in regards to the beatles breakup, digs from the Ram album, jealousy over somthing?, don't know..... No probs Rocko, I think if John was just reacting to Paul's jibes from RAM then he probably felt Paul was being too audacious given he was suing them etc so he took it to the extreme with HDYS. I think if George had written HDYS it would be less controversial as the John-Paul dynamic was what the Beatles revolved around but George has been unkind to Paul many times in interviews even when Cloud 9 came out so there are many things that went on that still irked 20 years or so later. I think it is to do with the Beatles business affairs as there are many clips now on youtube where George talks about the Beatles business and Paul not going along with the others, this is in the 80s.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 15, 2011 4:53:28 GMT -5
Thx Ursa, you must be the first to reply, I remember bringing this up 4/5 years ago with only JSD commenting it must be dodgy topic (lol) to reply to....As for what you've said, I'd agree with you also, but its the way John said it, like there was more too it, that we don't know of. Only John & George would have known, was it in regards to the beatles breakup, digs from the Ram album, jealousy over somthing?, don't know..... No probs Rocko, I think if John was just reacting to Paul's jibes from RAM then he probably felt Paul was being too audacious given he was suing them etc so he took it to the extreme with HDYS. I think if George had written HDYS it would be less controversial as the John-Paul dynamic was what the Beatles revolved around but George has been unkind to Paul many times in interviews even when Cloud 9 came out so there are many things that went on that still irked 20 years or so later. I think it is to do with the Beatles business affairs as there are many clips now on youtube where George talks about the Beatles business and Paul not going along with the others, this is in the 80s. Thx Ursa in replying, between you Joe & RTP, I can understand the situation they went thru a bit better now....Here is a great interview from our very own *Ray Martin*, during George's *Cloud Nine* period. He mentions Paul (in Part 2) for not attending the RORHOF (calling him a hypocrite?) Love *Cloud Nine*, Georges absolute best since ATMP, I dread when this album will be competing with Paul's *Venus & Mars / Band On The Run*, on our tourney.....Oh Boy... Part - 1 Part - 2
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Post by joeyself on Jan 15, 2011 21:22:38 GMT -5
Love *Cloud Nine*, Georges absolute best since ATMP, I dread when this album will be competing with Paul's *Venus & Mars / Band On The Run*, on our tourney.....Oh Boy... No worries, the cut off for this tourney was 1980's DOUBLE FANTASY. JcS
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