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Post by winstonoboogie on Jul 18, 2010 20:33:35 GMT -5
Oh. OK. I wasn't sure re: Prudence. Then I don't know the answer to ursamajor's question. Maybe someone should ask Geoff Emerick - if he even still remembers? Geoff wouldn't remember--because he wasn't there. Emerick quit in July, and those songs were recorded in August. The difference in sound could be due to the different engineers--Ken Scott on "USSR" and Barry Sheffield on "Prudence"--or that they were recorded in different studios (EMI for "USSR" and Trident for "Prudence"). Or it could be both... JcS OK -Thanks, Joey! Good points!
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 20, 2010 13:23:08 GMT -5
I don't know if thats a good idea, Stavros. I ended up taking a few substances to help me cogitate and ended up voting for "Wonderwall" by George Harrison. Nothing wrong with Wonderwall, man. It's Electronic Sound that I find a little tough to take without substances. If I'm not mistaken, Wonderwall was the first solo album by a Beatle. A rare first for George. My favorite Beatles solo story. While they were still Beatles John urged Paul to put out a solo album of all his weird, avant-garde home recordings. And he wanted to call it "Paul McCartney Goes Too Far."
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jul 20, 2010 20:02:33 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Wonderwall, man. It's Electronic Sound that I find a little tough to take without substances. If I'm not mistaken, Wonderwall was the first solo album by a Beatle. A rare first for George. My favorite Beatles solo story. While they were still Beatles John urged Paul to put out a solo album of all his weird, avant-garde home recordings. And he wanted to call it "Paul McCartney Goes Too Far." Huh! Never heard that one! Where did you read/hear it?
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Post by joeyself on Jul 20, 2010 23:15:34 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Wonderwall, man. It's Electronic Sound that I find a little tough to take without substances. If I'm not mistaken, Wonderwall was the first solo album by a Beatle. A rare first for George. Unless you count THE FAMILY WAY soundtrack that Paul had done. Given that both were soundtracks and that the named artist didn't appear on either (at least that's my recollection of WONDERWALL), a good case can be stated for either selection as the first solo album. JcS
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jul 21, 2010 1:59:39 GMT -5
Re The Family Way: Paul wrote the main tune. George Martin did everything else, and Paul does not appear. In no way could it be seen as a solo album.
OTOH, the full title of Wonderwall is Wonderwall Music by George Harrison, as on the cover, and on the insert IIRC. Also, the label sports the Wonderwall Music by George Harrison title also.
Summing up: Paul wrote a tune that was used on the soudtrack. Wonderwall was written and produced and arranged by George Harrison, and he plays on some of the tracks. Wonderwall is clearly a solo album, whereas Family Way is not.
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 21, 2010 3:42:47 GMT -5
I never thought of the Family Way as a Paul solo album. Anyway, I think that was a mistake by Paul, it was the beginning of his pompous, snobby attitude as a musician/composer ie check out Paul being interviewed in front of Abbey Rd during Sgt Pepper sporting a moustache , he is so full of himself and it's not surprising this was the time he was a dominant figure in the studio. He was off the ground during this period and whilst he could back it up with his great songs he seemed far removed from the younger Beatlemania Paul and I think his attitude intentional or not planted the seeds for the resentment towards Paul later on by John and George.
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Post by wooltonian on Jul 21, 2010 6:36:26 GMT -5
I never thought of the Family Way as a Paul solo album. Anyway, I think that was a mistake by Paul, it was the beginning of his pompous, snobby attitude as a musician/composer ie check out Paul being interviewed in front of Abbey Rd during Sgt Pepper sporting a moustache , he is so full of himself and it's not surprising this was the time he was a dominant figure in the studio. He was off the ground during this period and whilst he could back it up with his great songs he seemed far removed from the younger Beatlemania Paul and I think his attitude intentional or not planted the seeds for the resentment towards Paul later on by John and George. That's a bit harsh on old Paulie, Ursa. I don't think the Family Way was a big deal one way or another. It was something he tried his hand at during their three month break in the Autumn [Fall] of '66 -- Lennon made a film, Harri practised on his sitar and Macca wrote a couple of tunes for a musical. I wouldn't use it as a stick to beat him with. My recollection is that ITN interviewed all four Beatles individually on the steps of Abbey Road as they arrived for a 'Pepper' recording session. They were all asked the same boring question ('Are the Beatles breaking up') and they all gave pretty similar answers. I agree that Macca does come across in some interviews around this time as strangley glib in a slightly stoned sort of way, but I think your overall assessment is a bit unforgiving.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 21, 2010 9:01:30 GMT -5
Is The Family Way a good film? Is it worth hunting down? I rather liked Wonderwall but thought that Mick Jagger's Performance was better though both are pretty Sixties-ish, and thus dated.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 21, 2010 10:57:10 GMT -5
Is The Family Way a good film? Is it worth hunting down? I rather liked Wonderwall but thought that Mick Jagger's Performance was better though both are pretty Sixties-ish, and thus dated. "Family Way" is on DVD. Though I haven't seen it in a while, I think it's better than "Performance." What's most interesting is that Hayley Mills looks like Pollyanna but doesn't act like it. I didn't like "Wonderwall."
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jul 21, 2010 10:58:38 GMT -5
And I voted "Abbey Road."
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 21, 2010 14:55:51 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Wonderwall was the first solo album by a Beatle. A rare first for George. My favorite Beatles solo story. While they were still Beatles John urged Paul to put out a solo album of all his weird, avant-garde home recordings. And he wanted to call it "Paul McCartney Goes Too Far." Huh! Never heard that one! Where did you read/hear it? I've got all my Beatles books packed away in storage so I can't double-check my sources. But I'm pretty sure its from the autobiography Macca co-wrote with Miles, "Many Years From Now." I'm sure this isn't news to most of the Beatles freaks on this board, but the general fan would probably be surprised to find out that Macca was into that avant-garde kind of music before Lennon, like with the tape loops added to "Tomorrow Never Knows." Macca said he had been doing "Revolution #9" type collages before Lennon, he just never thought to put them on a Beatles album. In fact he was the one who showed Lennon how to set up the home tape-recorders that Lennon eventually used to record "Revolution #9."
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Post by joeyself on Jul 21, 2010 16:51:41 GMT -5
My favorite Beatles solo story. While they were still Beatles John urged Paul to put out a solo album of all his weird, avant-garde home recordings. And he wanted to call it "Paul McCartney Goes Too Far." That's not quite the story, at least as I recall it. www.macca-central.com/macca-archives/classicFM.aspquotes Paul as saying it was his idea: "I did get a bit p****d off that John became The Avant-Garde One, because two, three years before John got loose, I was going to a lot of concerts - he was living out in Weybridge, pipe and slippers time. I was doing lots of these little crazy loops, I did a loop symphony, and then the loops would find their way onto Tomorrow Never Knows. But the symphony was just for me and my mates getting stoned round the corner. I said to John "I've got all this stuff, and I'm thinking of putting it out as an album called "Paul McCartney goes too far". JcS
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Post by joeyself on Jul 21, 2010 16:56:41 GMT -5
Re The Family Way: Paul wrote the main tune. George Martin did everything else, and Paul does not appear. In no way could it be seen as a solo album. OTOH, the full title of Wonderwall is Wonderwall Music by George Harrison, as on the cover, and on the insert IIRC. Also, the label sports the Wonderwall Music by George Harrison title also. Summing up: Paul wrote a tune that was used on the soudtrack. Wonderwall was written and produced and arranged by George Harrison, and he plays on some of the tracks. Wonderwall is clearly a solo album, whereas Family Way is not. I agree with this conclusion; where I asked on a game show, I would give WONDERWALL as the answer. But I do recognize that some have opined--incorrectly, I believe--that THE FAMILY WAY is the first solo album. Harrison isn't listed in the credits as playing on WONDERWALL, though: www.georgeharrison.com/#/music/release/wonderwall-musicHe may have appeared without credits, or maybe he was under an assumed name as Wikipedia says Clapton and Starr were: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderwall_MusicJcS
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jul 21, 2010 19:41:13 GMT -5
I never thought of the Family Way as a Paul solo album. Anyway, I think that was a mistake by Paul, it was the beginning of his pompous, snobby attitude as a musician/composer ie check out Paul being interviewed in front of Abbey Rd during Sgt Pepper sporting a moustache , he is so full of himself and it's not surprising this was the time he was a dominant figure in the studio. He was off the ground during this period and whilst he could back it up with his great songs he seemed far removed from the younger Beatlemania Paul and I think his attitude intentional or not planted the seeds for the resentment towards Paul later on by John and George. My recollection is that ITN interviewed all four Beatles individually on the steps of Abbey Road as they arrived for a 'Pepper' recording session. They were all asked the same boring question ('Are the Beatles breaking up') and they all gave pretty similar answers. Yes, all 4 interviews (or at least John/Paul/George) are in Anthology.
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Post by ursamajor on Jul 22, 2010 4:11:52 GMT -5
I never thought of the Family Way as a Paul solo album. Anyway, I think that was a mistake by Paul, it was the beginning of his pompous, snobby attitude as a musician/composer ie check out Paul being interviewed in front of Abbey Rd during Sgt Pepper sporting a moustache , he is so full of himself and it's not surprising this was the time he was a dominant figure in the studio. He was off the ground during this period and whilst he could back it up with his great songs he seemed far removed from the younger Beatlemania Paul and I think his attitude intentional or not planted the seeds for the resentment towards Paul later on by John and George. That's a bit harsh on old Paulie, Ursa. I don't think the Family Way was a big deal one way or another. It was something he tried his hand at during their three month break in the Autumn [Fall] of '66 -- Lennon made a film, Harri practised on his sitar and Macca wrote a couple of tunes for a musical. I wouldn't use it as a stick to beat him with. My recollection is that ITN interviewed all four Beatles individually on the steps of Abbey Road as they arrived for a 'Pepper' recording session. They were all asked the same boring question ('Are the Beatles breaking up') and they all gave pretty similar answers. I agree that Macca does come across in some interviews around this time as strangley glib in a slightly stoned sort of way, but I think your overall assessment is a bit unforgiving. Yes maybe abit harsh but I can't stand the posher than Posh accent. I also don't like John's comment that the Beatles were a working class band that stayed working class. What does that mean ? That once they became famous they were chauffeur driven to and from the bus stop ? They still did their own grocery shopping ? Their music was for the people ?
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Post by acebackwords on Jul 23, 2010 14:38:30 GMT -5
"Working class"? Sheesh. Lennon was a spoiled suburban brat on the same social status as his rich kid manager Brian Epstein.
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Post by Panther on Jul 24, 2010 14:24:46 GMT -5
I refuse to vote on this on the grounds that it is too close to call.
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