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Post by joeyself on Jun 21, 2010 22:14:52 GMT -5
PLEASE PLEASE ME, Side 1
"I Saw Her Standing There" 2:57 "Misery" 1:50 "Anna (Go to Him)" 2:57 "Chains" 2:26 "Boys" 2:27 "Ask Me Why" 2:27 "Please Please Me" 2:03
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR, Side 1
"Magical Mystery Tour" 2:51 "The Fool on the Hill" 3:00 "Flying" 2:16 "Blue Jay Way" 3:56 "Your Mother Should Know" 2:29 "I Am the Walrus" 4:36
While the SP 1/BFS 1 were very different, I'm not sure I could have picked two more diverse sides than these had I been hand-picking the matches.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jun 22, 2010 0:48:08 GMT -5
This is going to be VERY difficult. In each of their own ways, they are brilliant sides of Fab music.
PPM1 I know many fans do not think very highly of PPM: but I am blown away by its energy and enthusiasm. The "group" feel is overwhelming. And is there a better opener to an album ever than this "one-two-three-fuh!" as they rock into STANDING THERE?
It's true there are some weak moments, but if you listen to the WHOLE side, you get carried away on a wave of superbly joyful music making. Any little dips don't matter.
A great side of Beatle music.
MMT1 If you could plot a graph of the quality of music of MMT1, for me it would show a steady increase from an OK start with TOUR, culminating in the masterpiece of WALRUS. The only dip in the steady rise would be a slight downwards glitch at MOTHER SHOULD KNOW.
The side has three pretty good songs (FOOL, FLYING, BLUE JAY WAY) and as I say, a masterpiece (WALRUS). [Yes, yes, I know many criticize Flying but I think it has a very nice groove. Blue Jay Way is condemned by many, but it is a great psychedelic song - well underrated in my view.]
A great side of Beatle music.
I'll have to think this over. A Guinness is called for. In fact, this looks like a three-Guinness problem to me...
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 22, 2010 1:37:15 GMT -5
PPM S1 for me
The Beatles first side of music, raw and punchy, this is the Beatles as a pub band just sweating out.
MMT S1 has three duds Flying, Blue Jay Way and Your Mother Should Know. Fool on the Hill is a good song but the flutes make it sound unlistenable today, leaving MMT and Walrus that I enjoy.
So there you have it, PPM S1 for me.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jun 22, 2010 2:08:37 GMT -5
MMT S1 has three duds Flying, Blue Jay Way and Your Mother Should Know. Fool on the Hill is a good song but the flutes make it sound unlistenable today ----------- See, Flying and Blue Jay Way slammed I don't get that at all. Someone explain why they don't like them ... And ursamajor, why do the flutes make it "unlistenable" today? What has happened between 1967 and now to the flutes? I haven't voted yet --- the Guinness is getting most of my attention!
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 22, 2010 3:11:32 GMT -5
MMT S1 has three duds Flying, Blue Jay Way and Your Mother Should Know. Fool on the Hill is a good song but the flutes make it sound unlistenable today ----------- See, Flying and Blue Jay Way slammed I don't get that at all. Someone explain why they don't like them ... And ursamajor, why do the flutes make it "unlistenable" today? What has happened between 1967 and now to the flutes? I haven't voted yet --- the Guinness is getting most of my attention! Flying sounds like bad wedding muzak at the reception as the waiters are bringing out the entrees, it's that organ part, the acoustic part is ok, I like it but when that organ kicks in it's cringe time. Blue Jay Way is repetitive and unimaginative in my book. Just goes nowhere for me. The Fool on the Hill flutes sound like a recorder session at primary school , the Anthology version without the flutes is better and had that been developed further without the flutes could have changed the song for the better. I also don't like the horns on Lady Madonna, I think in these two instances the Beatles got it wrong with their choice of instruments. Maybe not instruments in the case of Lady Madonna but the arrangement, the guitar's are hardly heard and there is some great riffing by George on Lady Madonna. Paul was obsessed with using as many different types of instruments on his songs to prove that he could do it and was good at it, probably trying to one-up Brian Wilson who he thought was his competitor at the time. Most of the time he was but here I don't like the end result on Fool on the Hill. I preferred the Beatles when they rocked and now that I am a Stones fan , I do question the greatness of the Beatles, especially Sgt Pepper.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 22, 2010 5:09:43 GMT -5
MMT1
PPM1 has 3 horrible, horrible songs on it - Chains, Anna, and I Wanna Be Your Man.
MMT1 only has the dirgelike Blue Jay Way to mar it.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 22, 2010 5:10:37 GMT -5
Ursamajor, you're starting to sound towards The Beatles like me towards the remasters!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2010 5:34:10 GMT -5
MMT1 PPM1 has 3 horrible, horrible songs on it - Chains, Anna, and I Wanna Be Your Man. MMT1 only has the dirgelike Blue Jay Way to mar it. errr.....I Wanna be Your Man is not on any version of PPM i've listened to..side 1 or side 2 ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2010 5:46:21 GMT -5
I'm voting for PPM Side 1....
PPM side 1 has a great mix of vocalists, in fact, they all have a turn at singing an eclectic mix of songs with some interesting chord progressions..i'm not too keen on Boys as a song but it gives Ringo a vehicle to get his name out there....
I don't mind MMT but i don't think it's as good as PPM..they were a different band by this stage, quite polished..
I like the songs that were part of the live set,the proven audience accepted songs and that is what PPM is based on.....
One-Two-Three-For indeed ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 22, 2010 6:53:10 GMT -5
PPM1 has 3 horrible, horrible songs on it - Chains, Anna, and I Wanna Be Your Man. I like all three, especially IWBYM (which is not on the album, as previously noted, "Firstie".) ;D I think Ringo is fantastic on that rockin' vocal, and the song is high octane energy -- IMO, natch.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 22, 2010 6:59:56 GMT -5
This is another difficult one to choose. I like both sides but in the end I pick PPM Side 1. I think because it flows more nicely together in a groove, whereas MMT Side 1 stalls a little with FLYING and BLUE JAY WAY. Not that I can't listen to them and enjoy them, but that they're rather draggy - and placed one on top of the other, to boot (not even sequenced between other more upbeat songs, which would have flowed better).
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Post by ursamajor on Jun 22, 2010 7:17:20 GMT -5
Ursamajor, you're starting to sound towards The Beatles like me towards the remasters! I know, I've just started getting into the Stones and the Who and it's all new to me , so now when I listen to the Beatles , although there is no doubting they were brilliant, so to were these other bands that had a fuller sound. The Beatles were better at melody but didn't rock as much as these other bands.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 22, 2010 8:03:56 GMT -5
This is going to be VERY difficult. In each of their own ways, they are brilliant sides of Fab music. PPM1I know many fans do not think very highly of PPM: but I am blown away by its energy and enthusiasm. The "group" feel is overwhelming. And is there a better opener to an album ever than this "one-two-three-fuh!" as they rock into STANDING THERE? It's true there are some weak moments, but if you listen to the WHOLE side, you get carried away on a wave of superbly joyful music making. Any little dips don't matter. A great side of Beatle music. MMT1If you could plot a graph of the quality of music of MMT1, for me it would show a steady increase from an OK start with TOUR, culminating in the masterpiece of WALRUS. The only dip in the steady rise would be a slight downwards glitch at MOTHER SHOULD KNOW. The side has three pretty good songs (FOOL, FLYING, BLUE JAY WAY) and as I say, a masterpiece (WALRUS). [Yes, yes, I know many criticize Flying but I think it has a very nice groove. Blue Jay Way is condemned by many, but it is a great psychedelic song - well underrated in my view.] A great side of Beatle music. I'll have to think this over. A Guinness is called for. In fact, this looks like a three-Guinness problem to me... I don't think Guinness is strong enough.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 22, 2010 8:10:17 GMT -5
This one was a tough decision and one I'll probably ask myself why. But I'm picking MMT pretty much on the basis of "I Am the Walrus," which is such a brilliant song. "Magical Mystery Tour," "The Fool on the Hill" and "Blue Jay Way" (especially because I finally got to see it in person) also figured heavily into my decision. I'm not as big a fan of "Your Mother Should Know" and "Flying," but the sum total of the songs on MMT 1 outweigh PPM 1, IMO. I mean I love the first side of PPM and I'll concur with Mr. McCabe about the energy. But the brilliance of "I Am the Walrus" can't be denied. It's a masterpiece.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 22, 2010 9:38:14 GMT -5
Ursamajor, you're starting to sound towards The Beatles like me towards the remasters! I know, I've just started getting into the Stones and the Who and it's all new to me , so now when I listen to the Beatles , although there is no doubting they were brilliant, so to were these other bands that had a fuller sound. The Beatles were better at melody but didn't rock as much as these other bands. I know! I tend now to see where The Beatles are rocking more and vote it(although I wussed out and sold out BFS-1 for Pepper). I'll catch hell but I'll assert here that the Stones even did better psychedelic music than The Beatles(with three exceptions) because the Stones got into the darker side of it. I concede that the Stones followed the Beatles into psychedelics but the Stones then did a better job with it for the most part. Their Satanic Majesties Request clearly was inspired by and obviously followed Pepper but that doesn't mean the music there is crap. Far from it. And I find the sarcastic "We Love You" so refreshingly defiant as opposed to "All You Need Is Love." The Beatles clearly topped the Stones though with "Strawberry Fields Forever," "A Day In The Life" and the above discussed "I Am The Walrus." But it is a myth that psychedelic Stones is bad Stones. I need to stew on the present vote though.
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Post by JCV on Jun 22, 2010 11:41:50 GMT -5
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR, Side 1This was actually pretty hard to pick. I do like the rockin' Beatles, but "Fool On The Hill," "Blue Jay Way," and "I Am The Walrus" far outweigh "I Saw Her Standing There." JCV
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 22, 2010 12:27:40 GMT -5
PLEASE PLEASE ME, Side 1
I went for the youthful energy, passion, excitement and rock and roll! The Beatles were a real band on PPM, not half a band as they became when stepping off the stage at Candlestick and certainly as they were by MMT. Making music because they felt that they had to! Bah humbug! Where was the love, where was the desire to make music? John Lennon said that he and George reluctantly agreed to Paul's hair-brained idea of MMT because Paul convinced them that they owed the public some kind of appearance. Sorry, but if John and George needed prodding to make a film and the accompanying music then the jig was up, The Beatles were dead. "Walrus" is great but thanks to Sirius Sat. Radio Station #18, "The Spectrum," I am so burned out on it because that station has played it a million times over the past month! I never thought "Walrus" would get over-saturated over the radio! I assert that no Beatles' song has aged worse than "Fool On The Hill" and maybe it is those recorders, I don't know. It went from being gloriously included on the Blue Album in 1973 to being relegated to A.M. Oldies Radio Hell! "Fool On The Hill" is just slightly better in 2010 than "Maxwell's Silver Hammer." "Mr. Bellamy" anyone? George Harrison was still a rocker on PPM although that was coming to an end by the end of 1964 and John and Paul obviously still liked and needed each other for PPM. By MMT friendly but growing distant was more accurate. MMT-1 can still make me happy but PPM rocks me and that wins every time. On PPM The Beatles were dying to be given the chance to record while on MMT they were grumbling about having to assemble again and therein lies the difference for me.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 22, 2010 12:40:32 GMT -5
Whoops - apologies, I tend to regard IWBYM and Boys as interchangeable horrible Ringo vocal protorock.
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Post by stavros on Jun 22, 2010 13:43:24 GMT -5
I'm going for Please Please Me. I love "I Am the Walrus" it is a major piece of work in the Beatles canon. But I think the title track and "Flying" are throwaways. "Blue Jay Way" is a dirge of a track. A different arrangement and no organ might have made it better. And as for "Fool on the Hill" and "Your Mother Should Know" they are twee McCartney songs that once upon a time I enjoyed for what they were but now I find a bit tiresome. Of course the main reason is that Magical Mystery Tour was never an album in the UK
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Post by joeyself on Jun 22, 2010 14:35:10 GMT -5
Of course the main reason is that Magical Mystery Tour was never an album in the UK Initially, no, but I think it became a UK album in 1976, didn't it? JcS
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 22, 2010 14:38:40 GMT -5
MMT is a way under-rated album. Probably because it came in the wake of Sgt Pepper. But there's probably more classic hits on that album than any other Beatles album. "I am the Walrus." "Hello Goodbye." "Fool on the Hill." "All You Need is Love." As well as the title track. Plus, it has Lennon shoveling spaghetti into the face of a fat woman. What more could you want?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 22, 2010 14:44:37 GMT -5
Of course the main reason is that Magical Mystery Tour was never an album in the UK Initially, no, but I think it became a UK album in 1976, didn't it? JcS Yes. Nov. 19 of that year, from what I can tell.
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Post by joeyself on Jun 22, 2010 14:51:13 GMT -5
MMT is a way under-rated album. Probably because it came in the wake of Sgt Pepper. But there's probably more classic hits on that album than any other Beatles album. "I am the Walrus." "Hello Goodbye." "Fool on the Hill." "All You Need is Love." As well as the title track. Plus, it has Lennon shoveling spaghetti into the face of a fat woman. What more could you want? There's a reason I exempted Side 2 of MMT from the first round, and you mentioned only two/fifths of it! JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 22, 2010 16:08:11 GMT -5
Whoops - apologies, I tend to regard IWBYM and Boys as interchangeable horrible Ringo vocal protorock. To each his own and all that, vectis ... but do you mean to say you don't ever get into Ringo joining the other guys and just belting out a raunchy vocal rocker now and then?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 22, 2010 16:11:46 GMT -5
I concede that the Stones followed the Beatles into psychedelics but the Stones then did a better job with it for the most part. Their Satanic Majesties Request clearly was inspired by and obviously followed Pepper but that doesn't mean the music there is crap. Far from it. Some of it is good, but they're clearly out of the Beatles' league there, who were the Stones' Masters. As I once heard George Harrison say somewhere: "Mick was always a day late and a dollar short"! ;D
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 22, 2010 16:13:35 GMT -5
MMT is a way under-rated album. Probably because it came in the wake of Sgt Pepper. But there's probably more classic hits on that album than any other Beatles album. "I am the Walrus." "Hello Goodbye." "Fool on the Hill." "All You Need is Love." As well as the title track. Plus, it has Lennon shoveling spaghetti into the face of a fat woman. What more could you want? There's a reason I exempted Side 2 of MMT from the first round, and you mentioned only two/fifths of it! JcS I apologize for not following the rules. I'll sit in the penalty box.
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Post by stavros on Jun 22, 2010 16:43:09 GMT -5
Of course the main reason is that Magical Mystery Tour was never an album in the UK Initially, no, but I think it became a UK album in 1976, didn't it? JcS I was only joking. It was made into an official UK album in the mid 70s yes. And marks the effective end of the psychedelic era (unless you want to include the Yellow Submarine album). I usually favour the later albums but in this case, I like "Please Please Me". It captures a Beatles still to truly hit the bigtime. The vocals are superb and the band are altogether happy as hell to be making a record.
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Post by joeyself on Jun 22, 2010 17:22:20 GMT -5
There's a reason I exempted Side 2 of MMT from the first round, and you mentioned only two/fifths of it! JcS I apologize for not following the rules. I'll sit in the penalty box. I didn't call a foul on you; I actually agree with you about MMT being underrated! Come on out of the box! ;D JcS
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Post by theman on Jun 22, 2010 17:29:31 GMT -5
Easy for me. MMT1 has more inventive songs vs. PPM1, which has two classics but the rest are throwaways (well, "Boys" is OK).
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jun 22, 2010 20:46:38 GMT -5
PPM1, by a VERY thin margin, as I like/love all the songs on PPM1, and I feel Blue Jay Way is overlong and repetitive, and Fool on the Hill is too twee for me.
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