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Post by mikev on Oct 10, 2012 12:48:31 GMT -5
I agree. When I'm near schools (no, I'm not lurking), I notice the t-shirts kids are wearing and I see lots of Beatles shirts. More than any other single performer. I also see a fair share of "classic rock" bands: Doors, Pink Floyd, Stones, Led Zep, etc. After the Beatles, I see lots of Ramones shirts. I think metal (old and new) is the second most represented genre. I hardly see any current bands or too many post-90s bands. I was at the store today and overheard two kids behind me and one of them had a birthday today. I told her, you know you share a birthday with a famous person. She said "who?" I said, "Do you know who John Lennon was?" She said no, so I said do you know the Beatles?" She said "yes." I said, "He was one of the Beatles." She said, "Oh, I like them." Cool 12 year old, if you ask me. She knew the Beatles but not John Lennon. Does that say that 100 years from now, solo contributions of the Fab Four will fade while The Beatles music will forever remain popular? A volley to post this yet again ;D
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Post by andyb on Oct 10, 2012 13:21:46 GMT -5
I'd love to be played by my hero Galen from "Planet- er - thapes" or as other people say "Planet of the Apes". That's a local joke! I don't get it but I laughed anyway! I was picturing you being played in the movie version of this Board by Giles Martin in his acting debut! I would love you to be played by Sir George Martin because of your connection to recording music professionally but Sir George is too old and would be saying "What?" all the time on the set. Giles would be perfect for you: suave, younger, in the music business and he has met Paul(and Heather Mills) like you have! I didn't expect anyone other than the local lads on the board to get the joke John. In Lancashire (not the Liverpool part) there's a tendency to drop "the" or "to" and replace it with "t'" but in St.Helens we only drop the "e" off "the" and keep "th". Normally we'd say "the" but if, for example, the next word begins with a vowel or an "h" we'll roll the words into one. Hence the phrase "I'm going to the hospital" will become "I'm off t' Th'ospital". It also makes for amusing names like "Jabba Th'utt" instead of "Jabba The Hutt". Etc I hope you understood that. ;D Giles Martin is a good shout but Galen was a handsome devil.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 11, 2012 8:43:18 GMT -5
What sayne didn't say was the young lady, when asked about The Beatles, said, "Oh yeah, isn't that Paul McCartney's band?" But it wasn't Paul's birthday yesterday! ;D I wanted to say that as we celebrate "Love Me Do," isn't it amazing that the #1 album in the U.S. is by Mumford & Sons, the closest popular music has been to skiffle since, well skiffle! They were on SNL a couple of weeks ago-didn't realize they were that big here but that is encouraging. As for Paul McCartney and the Beatles wouldn't it be funny if the "yoot" said isn't the Beatles the band where Paul McCartney writes all the songs and sings and plays on all the instruments? ;D I missed Mumford & Sons on SNL to my own chagrin. The Beatles are still clearly the benchmark for popular music excellence even if maybe the mania has subsided. The writer of the article I started this Thread with misses that point. Why should we discard excellence(here The Beatles' music) simply to try new and uncertain things in music? If new music is good it will get to us if we make just a little effort to find it. Music can fit in a big tent, we don't need to put Beatles' music in a museum to make way for new music. I have been slowly working my way through the Anthology dvds really trying to catch every word said by the guys and the lads still look so cool and relevant in the early film of them from 1963 through 1965(where I am at in the series). One can understand how teenage girls went crazy for them on their looks and the music and how teenage boys also liked them for the music and as role models for appearance. It is a shame that The Beatles got lazy or dismissive of live appearances the second half of their run as a band. They are great on the Rooftop and in the semi-live HJ and R promo videos. We missed some amazing moments by their unwillingness to play live after 1966 except during Get Back.
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Post by mikev on Oct 11, 2012 10:17:02 GMT -5
They were on SNL a couple of weeks ago-didn't realize they were that big here but that is encouraging. As for Paul McCartney and the Beatles wouldn't it be funny if the "yoot" said isn't the Beatles the band where Paul McCartney writes all the songs and sings and plays on all the instruments? ;D I missed Mumford & Sons on SNL to my own chagrin. The Beatles are still clearly the benchmark for popular music excellence even if maybe the mania has subsided. The writer of the article I started this Thread with misses that point. Why should we discard excellence(here The Beatles' music) simply to try new and uncertain things in music? If new music is good it will get to us if we make just a little effort to find it. Music can fit in a big tent, we don't need to put Beatles' music in a museum to make way for new music. I have been slowly working my way through the Anthology dvds really trying to catch every word said by the guys and the lads still look so cool and relevant in the early film of them from 1963 through 1965(where I am at in the series). One can understand how teenage girls went crazy for them on their looks and the music and how teenage boys also liked them for the music and as role models for appearance. It is a shame that The Beatles got lazy or dismissive of live appearances the second half of their run as a band. They are great on the Rooftop and in the semi-live HJ and R promo videos. We missed some amazing moments by their unwillingness to play live after 1966 except during Get Back. The retro-ness of guitars, banjos, real percussion, etc. is the reminder of music requiring talent and creativity. What the world of hip hop and modern dance/techno pop has evolved into is synthesizers, turntables, auto-tune and pure plastic sounds. Some stuff is catchy, and I can understand how hits are made out of them, but it is certainly refreshing to see the other real instrument material still charting be it Mumford, Avett Bros, Bob Dylan or a new Led Zeppelin concert film. I really do feel that if Apple handles it well (and they probably won't) and releases some form of remixed blu-ray level visual of the rooftop performance and even the indoor live pieces, and handles that as a performance piece either supplemental to the film release, or in some sort of HD special on any of the major music stations-you will see an unparalled resurgence in the Beatles among many young ones.
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Post by acebackwords on Oct 11, 2012 12:17:49 GMT -5
Speaking of nostalgia and 60s hero worship in general, I walked by Moes Books this morning, the big Berkeley book store. And prominently displayed in the window were books by or about 1.) Pete Townsend, 2.) Keith Richards, 3.) Neil Young, 4.) R. Crumb, 5.) Allen Ginsberg, and 6.) Mario Savio (60s radical Free Speech Movement leader). As a token concession to modern times they did also have a bio about Amy Winehouse (written by her Dad). But then, what was she famous for? Retreads of the 60s era soul and Motown sound. Sheessh. "Bring back the 60s" I'm wondering if its ever going to go away.
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Post by scousette on Oct 11, 2012 16:43:48 GMT -5
Moe's Books. Brings back memories.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 11, 2012 18:54:17 GMT -5
Moe's Books. Brings back memories. I spent so much time in Moe's. Also Tower, Leopold's and Rather Ripped up in Berkeley. Haven't been to Moe's in years.
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Post by wooltonian on Oct 12, 2012 7:55:52 GMT -5
Coming to this discussion quite late in the day, I thought I would mention one phonomenon that I've become increasingly aware of - particularly since the mid 1990s - the over-hyped, 'next-big-thing' band or artist that releases a semi-decent album to a blaze of publicity and hype only to slowly fade away and disappear back into the pack. This seems to be a real feature of modern bands in recent times and rather underscores where we are at the moment musically.
They include:
Arctic monkeys The Strokes Keane Kaiser Chiefs Razorlight The Feeling Badly Drawn Boy Kula Shaker The Darkness James Blunt Scissor Sisters Franz Ferdinand
The Darkness were supposed to be the 'new Queen' and Arctic Monkeys were billed as the 2000s answer to New Wave. The former ran dry of inspiration and split up after their first album while the latter are still on the scene but have hardly set the world alight recently. Noughties bands seem very one-dimensional and don't appear to have the ability to re-invent themselves or produce compelling material over any great period of time. Even relatively successful bands like the Killers and Kings of Leon never built on the impact of their first couple of albums.
For this reason, and going back to the writer's original point, there will always be a demand for 60s/70s/80s product.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 12, 2012 9:02:53 GMT -5
Good point Woolie! I remember even I climbed out of my Beatles musical shell to buy The Strokes first album and while I really liked it, where are they today? Not anywhere in my life.
Let me throw this out there, are there parts of The Beatles' catalog that do belong in the proverbial museum of classic but no longer relevant music while other parts of the Beatle catalog are still right there and relevant to our lives and times?
In other words, are "She Loves You," "I Want To Hold Your Hand," ""And I Love Her" and even "Yesterday" to name but a few just nostalgia pieces to be enjoyed when going down memory lane while "Twist And Shout," "I Saw Her Standing There"(two songs that still get people dancing in clubs), "She's A Woman," "I Feel Fine," "Happines Is A Warm Gun," "I'm So Tired," "Helter Skelter," "Long Long Long," Come Together" and "Here Comes The Sun" to name just a few still songs that inspire young and old in our daily lives?
There are indeed some Beatles songs like "Yesterday" and "A Hard Day's Night" that I only hear on A.M. radio the very rare times I venture into that dinosaur medium, usually because I was listening to the broadcast of the local high school football or basketball game the night before and forgot to switch back.
Then there are those Beatles songs I hear on the better F.M. stations and Sirius Satellite Radio that do sound hip and new even though they are all over 40 years old and some just approaching 50.
It is a fact that many of the remaining independent music stores put The Beatles records or cds in the "Oldies" section and that always ticks me off no matter how otherwise cool the store. I hate The Beatles being referred to as "Oldies" but there seems to be this weird bifurcation of their music as treated by various radio stations.
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Post by wooltonian on Oct 12, 2012 10:11:21 GMT -5
Let me throw this out there, are there parts of The Beatles' catalog that do belong in the proverbial museum of classic but no longer relevant music while other parts of the Beatle catalog are still right there and relevant to our lives and times? There are certainly a number of Beatles songs that come under the category of 'played to death' and have lost most of their magic and charm. 'Hey Jude', 'Let it be' and 'Yesterday' come right at the very top of that list. I agree, SLY and IWHYH have the feeling of museum pieces. As the deliberately-penned standard-bearers of Beatlemania they sound very staged, contrived and not a little corny these days. The album 'A hard day's night', however really stands up and still sounds great at boozy, Boxing Day parties round at my in-laws.
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Post by coachbk on Oct 12, 2012 10:58:42 GMT -5
Let me throw this out there, are there parts of The Beatles' catalog that do belong in the proverbial museum of classic but no longer relevant music while other parts of the Beatle catalog are still right there and relevant to our lives and times? There are certainly a number of Beatles songs that come under the category of 'played to death' and have lost most of their magic and charm. 'Hey Jude', 'Let it be' and 'Yesterday' come right at the very top of that list. I agree, SLY and IWHYH have the feeling of museum pieces. As the deliberately-penned standard-bearers of Beatlemania they sound very staged, contrived and not a little corny these days. The album 'A hard day's night', however really stands up and still sounds great at boozy, Boxing Day parties round at my in-laws. But what you have to remember is that some of those songs that for "us" have been "played to death" there are always people out there who are hearing them for the first time and getting that initial "Wow" feeling for how great they are. Personally I always enjoy hearing any Beatles songs on the radio!
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Post by vectisfabber on Oct 12, 2012 13:28:38 GMT -5
I offered the following thumbnail album reviews on another discussion board (all peronal opinion). I feel some stuff sounds really dated, and some stuff is overexposed, and some stuff isn't that strong. But there's masses of stuff which doesn't fit any of those.
PPL - largely done in one session, and sounds it. Captures the spontaneity, but sounds dated in instrumentation and arrangement, plus John's cold really tells. WTB - a more polished approach to the same thing. Still sounds dated: more confidence in songwriting. AHDN - a staggering achievement - sophistication in composition meets slick performance and an incredible progression from the previous two albums. BFS - treading water. H! - product. But not without its high points. RS - more progression - time in the studio and no touring or other commitments pays dividends. R - more of the same, plus drugs. SPLHCB - and more of them drugs. Very much sounding like a product of its era, it's easy to forget that it more or less created that era. Still more progression. MMT - given the incoherence of assembly, a good (if somewhat sparse) collection. TB (WA) - a polished collection which partly displays, partly hides, the fractures appearing in the group. Notable for a return to productivity from a drugs-free John (contrast the following two albums). AR - the most polished album of all. A miracle, assembled from odds and ends. LIB - recorded before AR, a largely unsatisfactory album which is surprising given the strength of the material on it.
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Post by andyb on Oct 12, 2012 15:28:11 GMT -5
I offered the following thumbnail album reviews on another discussion board (all peronal opinion). I feel some stuff sounds really dated, and some stuff is overexposed, and some stuff isn't that strong. But there's masses of stuff which doesn't fit any of those. PPL - largely done in one session, and sounds it. Captures the spontaneity, but sounds dated in instrumentation and arrangement, plus John's cold really tells. WTB - a more polished approach to the same thing. Still sounds dated: more confidence in songwriting. AHDN - a staggering achievement - sophistication in composition meets slick performance and an incredible progression from the previous two albums. BFS - treading water. H! - product. But not without its high points. RS - more progression - time in the studio and no touring or other commitments pays dividends. R - more of the same, plus drugs. SPLHCB - and more of them drugs. Very much sounding like a product of its era, it's easy to forget that it more or less created that era. Still more progression. MMT - given the incoherence of assembly, a good (if somewhat sparse) collection. TB (WA) - a polished collection which partly displays, partly hides, the fractures appearing in the group. Notable for a return to productivity from a drugs-free John (contrast the following two albums). AR - the most polished album of all. A miracle, assembled from odds and ends. LIB - recorded before AR, a largely unsatisfactory album which is surprising given the strength of the material on it. Or as I like to think of it - PPM - I can hear the drums and I quite like John's voice. WTB - What happened to those drums? AHDN - I'm sure there was drums on that 1st album? BFS - Have they sacked the drummer? H - They're taking the piss now! RS - Ah! They do have a drummer. R - Yep they definitely have a drummer. SPLHCB - That's a bit more like it. MMT - See SPLHCB TB - Some cool drum sounds. LIB - Cracking drum sound more full bodied than earlier. AR - May be the best drum sound they got then they bloody split up! What gives? The same can be sound for the bass as well. ;D
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 12, 2012 23:00:43 GMT -5
PPM - GM got the bass mix right, the guitars are mainly twangy and don't sound very electric except for Twist and Shout WTB - This album is so under-rated, brilliant and the best mix of originals with covers, it needs to be remixed just for the bass to be brought up abit more, the drumming and guitar playing is fast and furious, the first four songs rip in, and George blazes solo's on AML, DBM and IWTBYM, a favourite of mine AHDN - is possibly their best album and defines Beatlemania, songwriting and producing were coming together now .. the guitar sound is definitive Beatles sound .. BFS - another winner that hasn't aged apart from some of the cover songs .. awesome effort once again Help! - this one has awesome growth in songwriting by John , production abit muted and sterile by Beatles standards with a few filler songs RS - the planets aligned with this one, sounds as fresh as a daisy .. Revolver - RS on steroids, Oasis spent a 7 album 14 year career in trying to make an album like this but failed .. and that's coming from a huge Oasis fan SPLHCB - i don't buy the comments stating this has aged badly or is stuck in it'space and time , if this were released today it would still blow everyone away and every band out of the water, the only dated thing is the organy sound affects on Fixing a Hole, Mr Kite etc .. MMT - edgy, contemporary yet still commercial .. no one else could do it WA - a masterpiece, shifts from genre to genre in brilliant fashion, still relevant today , the indies love it .. AR - brilliantly produced, rock and pop .. the best ending to an album ever LIB - brilliant songs but overall a subdued release
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 13, 2012 7:07:54 GMT -5
Let me throw this out there, are there parts of The Beatles' catalog that do belong in the proverbial museum of classic but no longer relevant music while other parts of the Beatle catalog are still right there and relevant to our lives and times? Why do you think the Beatles' music still sells so well and is always a hit with brand new generations? Because it IS relevant to people's lives. and always will be.
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Post by Panther on Oct 13, 2012 9:54:48 GMT -5
England fast-bowler, Jimmy Anderson? Lol, he does look like me a bit...
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Post by acebackwords on Oct 13, 2012 16:22:17 GMT -5
Great photo. If you ever put out a psychedelic album there's your cover shot.
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Post by wooltonian on Oct 14, 2012 11:17:24 GMT -5
Great photo. If you ever put out a psychedelic album there's your cover shot. I can feel my hayfever coming on just looking at that photo.
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Post by wooltonian on Oct 14, 2012 11:20:24 GMT -5
Of course, no one has done more in recent years to make the Beatles look redundant, boring and passe than McCartney himself with his lamentable, high-profile croak-along performances.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 14, 2012 12:57:22 GMT -5
Let me throw this out there, are there parts of The Beatles' catalog that do belong in the proverbial museum of classic but no longer relevant music while other parts of the Beatle catalog are still right there and relevant to our lives and times? Why do you think the Beatles' music still sells so well and is always a hit with brand new generations? Because it IS relevant to people's lives. and always will be. Even there you must look at what Beatles is selling. Isn't it the second half of The Beatles recording career that is hot with I-tunes sales not so much the early stuff? When I see the lists of hottest selling I-tunes Beatles songs(which is how kids buy their music), it is almost exclusively middle to late Beatles. The early Beatles you can dance to are still red hot vital like "Twist And Shout" and "I Saw Her Standing There." The rest have earned their place in the "Museum Of Great Songs As Defined Within The Context Of Their Times." I would like to take my great-grandkids to that Museum to see exhibits like "Love Me Do," "She Loves You" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand." Hope the Museum curators dust them off every so often!
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Post by scousette on Oct 15, 2012 9:06:51 GMT -5
England fast-bowler, Jimmy Anderson? Lol, he does look like me a bit... Panther, is Marisa TomeI in that photo with you?
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Post by mikev on Oct 15, 2012 14:50:22 GMT -5
Lol, he does look like me a bit... Panther, is Marisa TomeI in that photo with you? Panther looks like Dr. Drake on General Hospital.
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Post by starvinmarvin on Oct 17, 2012 15:23:26 GMT -5
I'm a middle school teacher, and I can attest to the fact that many kids still love the Beatles. Specifically, late period Beatles (apart from a few of the more timeless early hits like Twist and Shout).
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 18, 2012 7:32:19 GMT -5
I'm a middle school teacher, and I can attest to the fact that many kids still love the Beatles. Specifically, late period Beatles (apart from a few of the more timeless early hits like Twist and Shout). I believe that and some proof is in the I-tunes sales. Something like the White Album never goes out of style.
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Post by Panther on Oct 18, 2012 7:42:15 GMT -5
Panther, is Marisa TomeI in that photo with you? No, it's lovely Sylvia from San Diego! We used to be in Taiwanese low-budget educational "films" together...
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 18, 2012 8:40:17 GMT -5
Panther, is Marisa TomeI in that photo with you? No, it's lovely Sylvia from San Diego! We used to be in Taiwanese low-budget educational "films" together... LOL, careful Panther, Heather Mills also said that she was in a "low-budget educational film" once and there was a firestorm!
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Post by Panther on Oct 20, 2012 4:19:06 GMT -5
To clarify, I was not in Taiwanese porn!
I did have some interesting experiences there, though -- for example, the time when two girls were in my... NEVER MIND!
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Post by andyb on Oct 20, 2012 5:20:53 GMT -5
Train carriage ?
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 20, 2012 10:38:35 GMT -5
Hey, we Beatles fans are not wallowing in nostalgia now!! ;D Well, maybe of a different kind.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 24, 2012 19:30:29 GMT -5
Last night on Don't Trust the B is Apartment 23, Van Der Beek was talking about a Dawson's Creek reunion. He says "You don't put the Beatles back together without John Lennon. I'm John Lennon AND Paul McCartney, bitch".
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