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Post by lowbasso on Feb 19, 2013 19:30:35 GMT -5
To be frank, those of you thinking that solo-era songs are going to one day be considered the equal of Beatle songs by the collective public herd are mistaken. Of course, as time passes, aficionados like us will develop finer appreciations of the lesser-known tracks and of the post-Beatle years in general. It's also possible that some solo songs, not yet quite in the mass mainstream, will one day undergo a revival and be latter-day hits. However, the solo hits are NEVER going to be lumped together with Beatles' songs in the mind of the masses. Just forget about it. I can tell you right now, many young listeners hear a solo Paul, John, or George song, and they often think it was a Beatle recording. They don't know the chronological order of everything since some of them weren't even born when John died, so they cannot tell sometimes solo efforts from actual Beatles recordings. This will get even more common, once Paul and Ringo as well as the generation who was alive during the existence of the band passes away.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 19, 2013 19:53:59 GMT -5
"All My Loving" is a great song. And on Ed Sullivan one could hear George Harrison sing along with Paul unlike on the record. George proudly points this out on the long forgotten Capitol album The Beatles Story. Besides, at every Paul McCartney concert I go to I cry like a baby when Paul performs this song because on March 15, 1983 my first college girlfriend was playing AML on her brand new Sony Walkman and unwittingly stepped into the intersection of 10th and Jordan in Bloomington and was decapitated by an I.U. bus. That became right there our post-humous song. Geeze John! That is terrible! I'm so sorry!
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Post by sayne on Feb 19, 2013 21:39:50 GMT -5
To be frank, those of you thinking that solo-era songs are going to one day be considered the equal of Beatle songs by the collective public herd are mistaken. Of course, as time passes, aficionados like us will develop finer appreciations of the lesser-known tracks and of the post-Beatle years in general. It's also possible that some solo songs, not yet quite in the mass mainstream, will one day undergo a revival and be latter-day hits. However, the solo hits are NEVER going to be lumped together with Beatles' songs in the mind of the masses. Just forget about it. I'm really talking about a faraway time when none of us are here. Without memory of the mania and without the context of knowing about the context of the music, people hundreds of years from now, I believe, will not be distinguishing between Beatle and solo songs. What's likely to happen is someone will go to a concert and someone will say, "Here's a song my John Lennon," and it will be Help. Or, they will buy some sheet music or whatever is the medium of the day and it will say "Written by Paul McCartney," and it will be Here, There, and Everywhere. In addition, some of us have claimed that if a song like All Together Now was newly written by Paul it might likely be seen as insipid, while a song like English Tea placed on Revolver might have been seen as a classic. The point is that most of us on this board cannot help but hear Beatle songs with one set of ears while listening to solo songs with another set. Our biases, our experiences, our emotions, our cultural contexts, and other things color how we perceive the songs. Here is an analogy. Many of us have found ourselves really liking something like The Wizard of Oz or Fantasia. We eagerly show it to someone young and it falls flat. Why? Not because they are not good. It's because much of our enchantment with them is wrapped with our memories of youth, our nostagia. Someone without any emotional tie to the times may not see the movies the same way. One hundred years from now, people will just be listening to these really old songs on their own merit. Might they think Paul wrote really good songs when he was a Beatle? Sure. But, I think they will have the objectivity to also think Paul wrote really good songs after he was a Beatle, maybe even better ones.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 21, 2013 21:20:51 GMT -5
Hawaii Five-0 from Monday: Hawaiian dude says "Arguing who's the best quarterback is like arguing who's the best rock band, the Beatles or The Stones". Dano says "That's easy, the Stones" as McGarrett chimes in with "The Beatles".
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 22, 2013 4:28:08 GMT -5
Or, they will buy some sheet music or whatever is the medium of the day and it will say "Written by Paul McCartney," and it will be Here, There, and Everywhere. Except it's more likely to say "Written by John Lennon and P". Although I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 5:15:51 GMT -5
You'd buy the sheet music, written by whoever, only if you weren't interested in playing note for note
If you don't have a good musical ear that enables you to learn it as it's written...... then I strongly suggest you get another hobby.......
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 22, 2013 13:59:05 GMT -5
I think you are dissing sheet music a little unreasonably. A lot of people want to play Beatle songs: not everyone wants to play it on guitar by ear from the record. And to suggest that such people get another hobby is a bit elitist. There are other entrances into that particular room.
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Post by mikev on Feb 22, 2013 14:13:42 GMT -5
Hawaii Five-0 from Monday: Hawaiian dude says "Arguing who's the best quarterback is like arguing who's the best rock band, the Beatles or The Stones". Dano says "That's easy, the Stones" as McGarrett chimes in with "The Beatles". Hmm...the NEW Hawaii 5-o, or the original? Could have been either, or in the newer setting...who is the better band Maroon 5 or Foo Fighters?
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Post by coachbk on Feb 22, 2013 17:33:11 GMT -5
Hawaii Five-0 from Monday: Hawaiian dude says "Arguing who's the best quarterback is like arguing who's the best rock band, the Beatles or The Stones". Dano says "That's easy, the Stones" as McGarrett chimes in with "The Beatles". Hmm...the NEW Hawaii 5-o, or the original? Could have been either, or in the newer setting...who is the better band Maroon 5 or Foo Fighters? Foo Fighters by a very wide margin. Maroon 5 totally sucks!
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 22, 2013 20:32:16 GMT -5
Hmm...the NEW Hawaii 5-o, or the original? Could have been either, or in the newer setting...who is the better band Maroon 5 or Foo Fighters? Foo Fighters by a very wide margin. Maroon 5 totally sucks! Foo Fighters. It was the new Five-0. Hence my posting it here. I'm showing the Beatles are not nostalgia. They are a living force in pop culture. They could have just as easy used modern bands. But doing so today, more likely someone would have said, neither. The best band is Train, or the Black Eyed Peas, or ...etc.
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Post by coachbk on Feb 24, 2013 8:46:35 GMT -5
I know what you were saying and I agree!
I'll just take any opportunity I can get to say Maroon 5 sucks.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 24, 2013 12:23:55 GMT -5
Hawaii Five-0 from Monday: Hawaiian dude says "Arguing who's the best quarterback is like arguing who's the best rock band, the Beatles or The Stones". Dano says "That's easy, the Stones" as McGarrett chimes in with "The Beatles". Good example. I am a little bummed that "old man" McGarrett picked Beatles while the younger, cooler cop Danny "Danno" Williams picked The Stones! Come on writers, break the stereotype, for once let the older guy pick the Stones and the younger guy The Beatles!
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 24, 2013 13:01:46 GMT -5
Hawaii Five-0 from Monday: Hawaiian dude says "Arguing who's the best quarterback is like arguing who's the best rock band, the Beatles or The Stones". Dano says "That's easy, the Stones" as McGarrett chimes in with "The Beatles". Good example. I am a little bummed that "old man" McGarrett picked Beatles while the younger, cooler cop Danny "Danno" Williams picked The Stones! Come on writers, break the stereotype, for once let the older guy pick the Stones and the younger guy The Beatles! This was the new Hawaii Five-O. McGarrett and Dano are the same age. The original McGarrett would have probably went with Don Ho.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 5, 2013 19:58:48 GMT -5
On The Following, Kevin Bacon's new show, bad guy says "I meticulously planned all of it, with a little help from my friends. That's a Beatle's reference, by the way".
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 5, 2013 23:50:56 GMT -5
On The Following, Kevin Bacon's new show, bad guy says "I meticulously planned all of it, with a little help from my friends. That's a Beatle's reference, by the way". Ah, The Following, a very violent show where about seven people get shredded alive by a band of groupies to some serial killer guru. Might as well reference "Helter Skelter." I quit watching that show because it was too violent.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 19, 2013 15:39:01 GMT -5
This is kind of interesting.
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Post by acebackwords on Mar 19, 2013 15:58:45 GMT -5
Cool video, Deb. Good demonstration of the timeless appeal of the Beatles. Weird flashback for me as I was a 7 year old watching the Ed Sullivan show back in 1964 just like one of the kids on the video watching it today.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 19, 2013 16:12:13 GMT -5
My favorite bit was the reaction to the "I Am The Walrus" video, the kids were almost all going WTF!? Also the comparison of early Beatles to Justin Bieber was hilarious. I think almost all of these kids have parents or other adults in their lives who have exposed them to the Fabs, by their own words. I am not sure that if I enlisted 10 random children from Logansport's Landis Elementary School that they would know as much about the Beatles as these kids did. This was fun though, thanks debjorgo.
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Post by acebackwords on Mar 19, 2013 16:36:29 GMT -5
My favorite bit was the reaction to the "I Am The Walrus" video, the kids were almost all going WTF!? . Whereas I found that more than a little disturbing. 7-year-old kids watching Magical Mystery Tour -- the Beatles "simulation of a drug trip," as Paul put it.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 19, 2013 17:25:35 GMT -5
Here is some deleted scenes. Walrus went over better than we were led to believe.
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Post by sayne on Mar 19, 2013 20:34:23 GMT -5
This is kind of interesting. "Teach, teach your children well." Not just the Beatles, but any parent who does not teach their child about the Sinatra or Rudolph Valentino or Charlie Chaplin or Fred Astaire or Cary Grant or Greta Garbo or . . . is derelict.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 20, 2013 1:45:33 GMT -5
This is kind of interesting. "Teach, teach your children well." Not just the Beatles, but any parent who does not teach their child about the Sinatra or Rudolph Valentino or Charlie Chaplin or Fred Astaire or Cary Grant or Greta Garbo or . . . is derelict. Really enjoyed that! Thanks for posting. Now I feel really ancient....
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Post by coachbk on Mar 20, 2013 11:34:40 GMT -5
This is kind of interesting. "Teach, teach your children well." Not just the Beatles, but any parent who does not teach their child about the Sinatra or Rudolph Valentino or Charlie Chaplin or Fred Astaire or Cary Grant or Greta Garbo or . . . is derelict. My son says it wasn't until he was in 3rd grade and was talking about a Beatles song and some of the kids had no idea what he was talking about that he realized that not every kid was exposed to the Beatles the way he was. I really enjoyed that Kids React To The Beatles videos by the way. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 21, 2013 6:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 21, 2013 8:42:28 GMT -5
My DVR picked it up automatically, and I saw the opening of the show, but that's all I could stomach.
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Post by coachbk on Mar 21, 2013 11:35:36 GMT -5
Going back to the original question. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it is an emphatic NO.
Great music is great music. I use Nick Drake as an example. Made 3 albums late 60's/early 70's before he died at age 26. I'd never heard of him until 3 or 4 years ago. Listened to "Pink Moon" on YouTube and loved it. Bought all three CD's two years ago and now he is one of my favorite artists. Incredible songwriter. No nostalgia there. It is just great.
There are some types of music I like that it is pretty much nostalgia (some bubblegum and AM hits from my youth for example) but the Beatles made great music and I believe I would appreciate it whether I was in my 20's or in my 70's or anywhere in between (by the way I turned 55 last week in case you are wondering-LOL).
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 21, 2013 22:02:39 GMT -5
Now folks give these AI performances of Beatles' songs a chance! I have watched AI Beatles night every year they do it and this year was better than most.
The three best were a very moving "She's Leaving Home" by a young woman who runs circles around Paul's vocal at least on the stereo version of the song. That song is about a young woman running away so a young woman should sing it!
There is a smoking hot "Come Together" by another young woman who rocks and fills the song with a ton of funky soul! Somewhere John Lennon was smiling. I have said for years these AI contestants need to get out of the safety zone of Paul's big MOR hits and move into some esoteric but powerful Lennon tunes. With the live strings the AI performers can utilize, someone should do "I Am The Walrus" or "Strawberry Fields Forever!"
Finally, a blonde country girl from Tennessee just shines on "I Will," a beautiful, heartfelt interpretation that had the judges going crazy! Apparently this was deemed the best performance of the night and proved an understated, low-key song can sometimes pack a mighty punch when done right by an artist. Somewhere Paul McCartney should be smiling!
There were some mis-steps like an overwrought "Yesterday" and a rather detached "In My Life" by a young man whose family fled Cuba for a better life. I kind of liked the Latin American flavor given the song and think of the poignancy of this song being sung by a man whose family fled their home, never to go back! Yet the judges brutalized the guy. I still liked it.
There was a great "Let It Be" by a young man from New Orleans who admitted to Jimmy Iovine that he did not know the song! Yet he brought out all the gospel charm of that song and now maybe more kids will know it!
Beatle songs on AI is a great plug for the Fabs with the young.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 21, 2013 22:46:35 GMT -5
Back to the Nostalgia vs Current Act of Interest: On GoOn from Tuesday, dude shows up at a dinner party in a red, almost doorman looking getup. He says "It like Sgt Peppers meets the Matrix".
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 27, 2013 21:08:59 GMT -5
On Supernatural tonight. "These kids are the cream of the crop. They are the Beatles. They are the dream team...."
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 31, 2013 19:10:14 GMT -5
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