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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 6, 2013 14:38:38 GMT -5
Here are some examples of Paul's lyrics and this is just over a couple of years. And yes, I could find as many or more post Beatles which I will if you like. Be our guest. However, it won't change a thing regarding Paul's overall lasting reputation as a trite and silly lyricist in the overall scale of all his career. It's pointless to cherry pick the exceptions, even if there are a lot of them; the June/Moon/Spoon nature of the predominant amount of Paul's songs are what has given him his irreversible lyrical reputation. But yes, he has also written some fine lyrics.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on May 6, 2013 16:47:45 GMT -5
Here are some examples of Paul's lyrics and this is just over a couple of years. And yes, I could find as many or more post Beatles which I will if you like. Be our guest. However, it won't change a thing regarding Paul's overall lasting reputation as a trite and silly lyricist in the overall scale of all his career. It's pointless to cherry pick the exceptions, even if there are a lot of them; the June/Moon/Spoon nature of the predominant amount of Paul's songs are what has given him his irreversible lyrical reputation. But yes, he has also written some fine lyrics. Cherry pick??!?? When you come up with dozens of songs with moving and or insightful lyrics, that's not cherry picking. That dwarfs most other artist entire career. That's my whole point. We are so familiar with Paul's songs we almost take them for granted. But for some reason we have the audacity to remember Bip Bop and Morse Moose and the Grey Goose when they are a small percentage of his output--really insignificant. You can take off one or two songs on each album where either Paul is having fun with lyrics (like Monkberry Moon Delight which I compare to I AM The Walrus) or where he just misses the mark and is maybe using the lyrics as a placeholder for the melody (Mumbo and Getting Closer are examples). Hail my Salamander.
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Post by scousette on May 6, 2013 18:38:30 GMT -5
I hated the shoulder line in Hey Jude - lyrically clumsy. Very clumsy. Don't care for it.
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Post by debjorgo on May 6, 2013 19:16:00 GMT -5
I like the line. It's saying the movement you need is up to you to create.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 7, 2013 5:27:36 GMT -5
I like the line. It's saying the movement you need is up to you to create. That's it. We have the ability to succeed and motivate ourselves, "to make it better", and achieve our goal. And what sells the line is how Paul emphasizes "is on youuur shou-ou-lder"it in such a profound way that it's like he's knowingly referring back to the first time he mentioned 'shoulder', as though it's a metaphor . It's really deep, man John Lennon knew it. So do I.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on May 7, 2013 5:31:38 GMT -5
]Cherry pick??!?? When you come up with dozens of songs with moving and or insightful lyrics, that's not cherry picking. That dwarfs most other artist entire career. That's my whole point. We are so familiar with Paul's songs we almost take them for granted. But for some reason we have the audacity to remember Bip Bop and Morse Moose and the Grey Goose when they are a small percentage of his output--really insignificant. You can take off one or two songs on each album where either Paul is having fun with lyrics (like Monkberry Moon Delight which I compare to I AM The Walrus) or where he just misses the mark and is maybe using the lyrics as a placeholder for the melody (Mumbo and Getting Closer are examples). Hail my Salamander. Yes, cherry picking. "Dozens" out of 1000 (or however many hundreds of songs Paul has created) are not that many. And there you go again - somehow dragging John into the process. OK, then I'll say it's the same thing applying to John --- I AM THE WALRUS is an exception, a cherry picked example of "odd lyrics" for Lennon. John, as a general rule, tended to write better and truer lyrics than Paul. That is all there is to it, and you cannot have Paul excelling over everyone else in every single category. But at the same time, singling out the examples where Paul's lyrics are occasionally great, and John's are occasionally awkward, proves nothing when you look at the majority.
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Post by theman on May 16, 2013 14:18:34 GMT -5
I would love to see one of those old-fashioned RTP analysis, categorizing the number of songs with "good" lyrics and the number of songs with "bad" lyrics for every John Lennon and Paul McCartney song ever. See ya back here in 2015!
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