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Post by debjorgo on Dec 28, 2013 23:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 29, 2013 8:30:37 GMT -5
I just learned for only the first time that it wasn't Capitol Records that put the reverb effects onto "I Feel Fine" and "She's A Woman", for the US -- it was actually George Martin. Is this true? I never knew that.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 29, 2013 9:34:28 GMT -5
I just remember George saying he only wanted to release the '87? CDs in mono because they were recorded on a two track console, not made for stereo. Maybe the Germans did their own duophonic versions. I linked this interview a week ago, but if you didn't see it, or didn't go click on it, I think you'll find it fascinating. abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/kozinn.htm DIE BEATLES is not duophonic, except for "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You." I found a link to a discussion on Steve Hoffman's board from a decade ago--there are probably more recent ones, but this covers what we have been talking about: forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/best-german-please-please-me-lp.12178/JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 29, 2013 10:43:20 GMT -5
If you own the Mono Box set, you know the discs' jackets were larger than in the Capitol sets. Do you know what I'm saying? These are not just the same Capitol Box 1&2 discs thrown into a new box. This is a classy new set. I'm happy again. I think this post may have got buried. I think we are getting the Mono Beatles Box sized discs with the new US releases. Any thoughts on this.
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Post by darkhorse67 on Dec 29, 2013 12:03:18 GMT -5
Hi JoeySelf,
Thanks for the reply. You are right-the Hollywood Bowl was a worldwide release; I think I got caught up in thinking this was a Capitol US release and fantasized about it as being part of the US collection. Like you, I will be going for Yesterday & Today & Hey Jude, possibly A Hard Day's Night; but may hold back if the 09 masters are substituted.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 29, 2013 14:39:50 GMT -5
I think I got caught up in thinking this was a Capitol US release and fantasized about it as being part of the US collection. I think it would be a great idea to release LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL on CD, but perhaps Apple/Capitol would think about fleshing the package out a bit with other suitable live material of the era. That would be a pretty 'new' direction for current fans old and new to purchase, and I think it would do well.
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Post by glenn1966 on Dec 29, 2013 21:00:57 GMT -5
I'll be happy if "Yesterday"... And Today has the 3 preliminary mono mixes of "I'm Only Sleeping", "And Your Bird Can Sing", and "Dr. Robert".
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 29, 2013 21:15:25 GMT -5
I remember the mix of "I'm Only Sleeping" on Y&T was different - no "yawn" just prior to the 2nd "keeping an eye on the world going by my window", among others.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 1, 2014 20:01:25 GMT -5
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 1, 2014 20:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2014 6:53:44 GMT -5
A close-up of the box set has it looking very much like the Mono Box set. With the larger jackets and the individual plastic covers. Wow. Now that I am seeing the photos, the collector in me is considering going back on my initial resistance and maybe purchasing this after all. I am not at all interested in having the 2009 Remasters on the discs themselves, but I suddenly have a new thought: what if I purchase this US Set and substitute the previous Capitol CDs inside this attractive box? Because frankly, I have never liked the previous way the older CAPITOL CD VOLUME SETS were thrown together into those cheap cardboard holders anyway. Plus I do want to get the few new titles that are new to CD ("Hard Days Night UA", "Hey Jude", "Y&T", etc). If I can find this US Set cheap enough, I may go for it.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 15, 2014 22:18:59 GMT -5
The Capitol albums set on iTunes has a interactive LP, with historical info, liner notes and more, in the box set. I'm not sure what that means. I guess it is something like web pages that you store on your disc drive.
It's not enough to make me buy the sound files instead of the discs. I was interested to know what the mastered for iTunes would sound like. I think they are admitting that CDs don't sound as good as vinyl in the high and low range. (CDs blow vinyl away in the mid-range imo.) Sound files sound even worse in those ranges and in general because of the additional compression. The mastering for iTunes supposedly makes up for that.
It's funny iTunes is using the term LP for the additional material. Doesn't LP suggest vinyl?
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Post by joeyself on Jan 16, 2014 18:02:21 GMT -5
I'm not buying this box, but I actually recommended it to someone else today. When I was working in the Prosecutor's office in the mid-80's, a guy named Dan came on board the year after I did. We were the same age, and got along great (and still do). He had a full set of Beatles 8-tracks, but didn't play them any more because he didn't have a player in his car. I borrowed them and recorded what I didn't have from their catalog onto cassettes (and recorded what I did have as well, naming the cassettes by what years were covered by the contents.) I know he has a pretty complete set of the CDs--probably the 1987 issues, I don't think he bothered with the remasters in '09. We were chatting today about business stuff, and all of a sudden, it dawned on me that he was the guy with the collection of 8 tracks from way back when. I told him about the box set that was coming out, and he sounded interested. I told him that it would be a way for him to relive his teens, to hear them again presented like they were when he first bought them. Of course, that's not exactly right--the 8-tracks didn't run in the same order as the albums, and sometime had a song added to round out the program--and since he had them on 8-track, he would have missed the experience of looking at the cover. Still, as many others that look fondly on the Capitol albums, I think he might like this set. So, I may have caused one to be sold, even though it won't be ME buying it! JcS
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Post by theman on Jan 18, 2014 20:32:35 GMT -5
For those of us who don't want to buy this complete set all over again, wouldn't it be nice to have the option to buy the new, but empty, box (and then just purchase AHDN, Y&T, Hey Jude and Revolver). Yes, I'm dreaming, I know
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 18, 2014 21:10:36 GMT -5
For those of us who don't want to buy this complete set all over again, wouldn't it be nice to have the option to buy the new, but empty, box (and then just purchase AHDN, Y&T, Hey Jude and Revolver). Yes, I'm dreaming, I know The new disc jackets are larger than the ones in the earlier Capitol sets.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 19, 2014 0:03:25 GMT -5
For those of us who don't want to buy this complete set all over again, wouldn't it be nice to have the option to buy the new, but empty, box (and then just purchase AHDN, Y&T, Hey Jude and Revolver). Yes, I'm dreaming, I know The new disc jackets are larger than the ones in the earlier Capitol sets. So, the smaller jackets from the other boxes would fit in the larger one... JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 19, 2014 12:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 20, 2014 15:32:34 GMT -5
The American Box is $149.99 at Pop Market! 20 hours left!
The Beatles - The U.S. Albums (13 CD Box)
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE BEATLES!
Celebrate 50 years of globe-sweeping “Beatlemania” with the U.S. Albums, a new 13CD Beatles collection spanning 1964’s Meet The Beatles! to 1970’s Hey Jude
• 13 CD box set – over 130 Beatles songs!
• CDs are packaged in miniature vinyl sleeves that faithfully recreate the original U.S. LP releases down to the finest detail, including the inner sleeves.
• 11 original U.S. albums presented in both mono and stereo. Hey Jude and The Beatles’ Story are in stereo only.
• A Hard Day’s Night (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack), The Beatles’ Story, Yesterday And Today, Hey Jude and the U.S. version of Revolver are presented on CD for the first time.
• Yesterday And Today features the original album cover of The Beatles posing with raw meat and baby dolls. The package also comes with a collectible sticker of the subsequent Yesterday And Today cover art.
• 64-page booklet which includes a new essay examining the U.S. albums and their historical significance
$149.99 www.popmarket.com/#
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Post by joeyself on Jan 20, 2014 18:45:07 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, John. I'll pass on it at that price, but if you see it closer to $100, please let us know.
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 21, 2014 0:38:51 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, John. I'll pass on it at that price, but if you see it closer to $100, please let us know. JcS $100.00 would be an incredible price, about $8.00 per disc. I must admit that I bought it this afternoon from Pop Market. I was not going to buy this but I liked the price; I would have liked $100.00 better!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 21, 2014 6:48:37 GMT -5
$100 would be a nice price, and $50 even sweeter -- but the thing is they can't just give the stuff away. I would say that 10 to 13 dollars per individual CD is about right. If we were buying them individually we'd be paying that much anyway; it's just that when there are multiple items in one package, it seems like it's too expensive. The same thing occurs with DVD movies -- buy them separately at $15 each, and fans don't mind; but put those 10 DVDs in a box together for $150 and somehow it seems too pricey.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 21, 2014 10:23:02 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, John. I'll pass on it at that price, but if you see it closer to $100, please let us know. JcS $100.00 would be an incredible price, about $8.00 per disc. I must admit that I bought it this afternoon from Pop Market. I was not going to buy this but I liked the price; I would have liked $100.00 better! Hasn't Pop Market had some great deals on the LENNON ANTHOLOGY box over the years? And didn't it also sell that box set of all the remastered Lennon albums for a lot less than it was originally priced? I am not sure, because I didn't buy either, but that sounds right. (I also seem to recall some of McCartney's Archive releases on there at a reduced price, but again, I didn't buy, so I could be wrong.) $100 is an arbitrary number, of course. For me, there are five of them I don't want to pay anything for: REVOLVER and THE EARLY BEATLES are just lesser versions of the UK issues of REVOLVER and PLEASE PLEASE ME, THE BEATLES STORY-heard it once, don't need to hear it again- and the two soundtracks with the non-Beatles instrumentals. So, of the 8 in the box that I wouldn't mind having, I was thinking if I got the set for $100, then those eight would run me about 12 bucks each. I would also get the booklet and the box, which certainly looks like nice packaging. But if I bought it at the $150 mark, then I'm paying over $18 for each of the discs I might actually play sometime, and I'm just not doing that. I didn't buy the two Capitol Boxes until I got them for about $30 each (one at Sam Goody's GOOB sale and one on EBay). The second box wasn't even worth that, since EARLY and HELP! were half that box, but it's in the collection now. I'm probably going to stick to the original plan and either buy only Y&T and HEY JUDE, or just pass completely. JcS
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Post by OldFred on Jan 21, 2014 11:14:12 GMT -5
Ordered it on Pop Market and used a discount code during the period it was at the low price that knocked off an additional $15, and with tax included my final cost was about $146. I'm going to buy Y&T, Something New, Beatles VI and Hey Jude individually for brother for his birthday. Deep Discount also has it at a decent price. Link: www.deepdiscount.com/deals_music_cd-deep-deals_the-beatles/
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 21, 2014 13:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 21, 2014 14:54:51 GMT -5
Ordered it on Pop Market and used a discount code during the period it was at the low price that knocked off an additional $15, and with tax included my final cost was about $146. I'm going to buy Y&T, Something New, Beatles VI and Hey Jude individually for brother for his birthday. Deep Discount also has it at a decent price. Link: www.deepdiscount.com/deals_music_cd-deep-deals_the-beatles/Fred, that's where I ordered from Pop Market and while I did not use a discount code, I do not have sales tax and there is no shipping charge or at least it is built in to the $149.99. Mine has already been shipped and I should have it tomorrow from an order placed yesterday. Thus my total charge is $149.99 and amazon.com is $169.98 plus shipping unless one does the free shipping which is slow as a turtle. Independent sellers through amazon are at about $159 but there is additional shipping costs. Joey, you in fact first introduced me to Pop Market with a heads up on the Lennon Signature Box that PM sold dirt cheap. I gratefully snapped it up. And yes, the McCartney deluxe boxes are being sold there for decent prices from time to time. I have never had a problem with Pop Market.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 21, 2014 15:43:15 GMT -5
Beatle albums have the tendency to stay where they are, price wise. And they do not run sales. That may be what happens here, too. I know I've seen Beatles items for sale at deep discounts now and then--the HELP! DVD deluxe version is a notable one, and the solo stuff I mentioned above as well. I *think* I saw a discount on the Mono Box on Pop Market, but since I already had it, I didn't pay much attention to it. But if they don't meet the price I'm willing to pay, they can keep it, and I can keep my hard earned. JcS
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 21, 2014 16:03:12 GMT -5
Beatle albums have the tendency to stay where they are, price wise. And they do not run sales. That may be what happens here, too. I know I've seen Beatles items for sale at deep discounts now and then--the HELP! DVD deluxe version is a notable one, and the solo stuff I mentioned above as well. I *think* I saw a discount on the Mono Box on Pop Market, but since I already had it, I didn't pay much attention to it. But if they don't meet the price I'm willing to pay, they can keep it, and I can keep my hard earned. JcS Well, that's easy for you to say, having will power and self determination like you do.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 21, 2014 16:46:12 GMT -5
That may be what happens here, too. I know I've seen Beatles items for sale at deep discounts now and then--the HELP! DVD deluxe version is a notable one, and the solo stuff I mentioned above as well. I *think* I saw a discount on the Mono Box on Pop Market, but since I already had it, I didn't pay much attention to it. But if they don't meet the price I'm willing to pay, they can keep it, and I can keep my hard earned. JcS Well, that's easy for you to say, having will power and self determination like you do. You say that as if it is a bad thing! I have to admit, I've been doing this with the Fabs for over a quarter century. When the first four albums came out on CD in mono only, I didn't buy WITH THE BEATLES, because just a couple of years earlier, I picked up a German stereo pressing, and knew I liked the sound in stereo (I am not a fan of mono, but that's another discussion for another place, and ultimately is just a matter of tastes anyway). A few years later, I had let my private protest be known on a public BB, saying I had all the CDs but one, and I wasn't going to buy it, blah blah blah. A couple of years after that, I met up with some of the folks from said BB at the '96 Beatlefest in NJ. One of the guys couldn't stand the idea that I didn't have a full set of CDs, so at one point, he asked to see the bag of stuff I'd bought, and I handed it to him. He slipped in a stock copy of WTB and handed it back to me. I didn't see it until I was back in my room that night, and didn't know it was him until I said something about the case being in my bag without a CD. He had to reveal himself then, and told me he must have picked up the display case without realizing it. I contacted Beatlefest people, and got a copy sent to me. It is now one of my prized Beatle possessions--not because I like the disc so much, but because I like the guy that gave it to me, and the thought behind it. But I learned that will power is a good thing, not only with the Beatles stuff, but with other artists. Crowded House is a favorite of mine, and they were releasing CD singles in Europe with tracks on them not on the albums. I chased down a few, and finally said "no, that's it, no more." And we all lived happily ever after... JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 21, 2014 17:12:14 GMT -5
Me, I wasn't going to bother with these at least for awhile, but I broke down and went to Best Buy -- in the midst of a blizzard, no less (!) -- and pulled out my credit card(s) to split the cost, half on each. That's always just been how I do things (though I usually pay cash) ... I figure you only go around once, and it could all end tomorrow or even skidding off in the snow whilst on the ride home .. so I buy what I want. Believe me, I do not make a great salary, and the Missus and I are getting by (we still have enough food, electric, warmth, shelter, etc, and nothing's ever been turned off!).
So anyway -- I've sampled these discs and I can answer a few questions fans may have had. Like: they do use the reverb versions of "I Feel Fine" and "She's A Woman" (on BEATLES '65) .... yes, they do have the 'false start' to "I'm Looking Through You" off RUBBER SOUL ... they do have the "added harmonica bits" on "Thank You Girl" (stereo version)... there is the 'extra verse' on "I'll Cry Instead" off of AHDN... and the HELP! album retains the James Bond Theme. SO the good news is that, while these are not the old '60s Masters, at least they still managed to leave crucial unique details intact which fans might be wanting.
I agree that THE BEATLES STORY is useless -- never need to hear that again.
The YESTERDAY AND TODAY sleeve is really cool the way it uses The Butcher Cover on it as its default 'normal' cover, but comes also with the white trunk cover, and a peel-off back, if you decide to stick it over the Butcher (I don't know if it's removable or not; I do not intend to stick it on).
The booklet is nice...
I like the box art with the U.S. Flag. I had really been prepared to not have much use for this whatsoever, except for collectible completeness ... I initially figured I'd take the older Capitol CDs and stick them into the new box... however, these new sleeves are bigger, clearer, nicer. My ultimate opinion is that it's not as useless as I initially figured -- though I can easily see why some fans would pass and not require it.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 21, 2014 17:20:36 GMT -5
Well, that's easy for you to say, having will power and self determination like you do. You say that as if it is a bad thing! I have to admit, I've been doing this with the Fabs for over a quarter century. When the first four albums came out on CD in mono only, I didn't buy WITH THE BEATLES, because just a couple of years earlier, I picked up a German stereo pressing, and knew I liked the sound in stereo (I am not a fan of mono, but that's another discussion for another place, and ultimately is just a matter of tastes anyway). A few years later, I had let my private protest be known on a public BB, saying I had all the CDs but one, and I wasn't going to buy it, blah blah blah. A couple of years after that, I met up with some of the folks from said BB at the '96 Beatlefest in NJ. One of the guys couldn't stand the idea that I didn't have a full set of CDs, so at one point, he asked to see the bag of stuff I'd bought, and I handed it to him. He slipped in a stock copy of WTB and handed it back to me. I didn't see it until I was back in my room that night, and didn't know it was him until I said something about the case being in my bag without a CD. He had to reveal himself then, and told me he must have picked up the display case without realizing it. I contacted Beatlefest people, and got a copy sent to me. It is now one of my prized Beatle possessions--not because I like the disc so much, but because I like the guy that gave it to me, and the thought behind it. But I learned that will power is a good thing, not only with the Beatles stuff, but with other artists. Crowded House is a favorite of mine, and they were releasing CD singles in Europe with tracks on them not on the albums. I chased down a few, and finally said "no, that's it, no more." And we all lived happily ever after... JcS I've got the I Feel Possessed single with Crowded House playing with Roger McGuinn on three Byrds songs. I'm not sure how widely available it was. I friend got it for me. He knew I liked the band.
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