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Post by stavros on Mar 25, 2014 18:49:46 GMT -5
This was a big story back in the 1980s and I'd all but forgotten about it until stumbling upon it again by accident. This paternity case against Paul seemingly dragged on into the 21st century and is one of those slightly uncomfortable and stranger parts of Beatle history. Bettina was born in December 1962. Her mother Erika claimed McCartney asked her to abort the baby and sought alimony at the time. McCartney denied the accusations and also that he was the baby's father. But he did pay her a sum of money. In 1966 the Beatles were about to embark on a European tour. McCartney was informed by the German courts that a matter of maintenance had to be settled before he set foot in Germany. Lawsuits continued until Bettina turned 18. In 1983, she and her mother went to court yet again to ask for maintenance payments. McCartney apparently took a blood test that came back negative. But for some reason, the courts rejected the results and made him pay maintenance anyway. Four years later, working in Berlin as a hairdresser, Bettina lost her court cases on appeal and was liable to pay legal costs of £60,000. McCartney’s lawyer advised Paul to pay it so as not to bankrupt Hubers. The story did not go away but was kept well under the radar here in the UK (unlike the Heather Mills divorce). In 2007 Hubers claimed that McCartney sent a stand in to take the paternity test and wanted a new one conducted. She also claimed the signature was a false one in the original 1980s documents and was written by a right handed person. However after further investigations the case was dropped. Some initial sources here: Daily Mail StoryHollywood Reporter storyIt's one of those Beatles stories that seems to hang around like the "Paul is Dead" story. Most people have long forgotten it or are simply unaware of this tale. It lingered on in the background for over 40 years and it seems that (now middle aged) Bettina was convinced she was a McCartney for a long time! Perhaps she still believes that now? I really don't see the likeness at all myself
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Post by mikev on Mar 25, 2014 20:49:27 GMT -5
This was a big story back in the 1980s and I'd all but forgotten about it until stumbling upon it again by accident. This paternity case against Paul seemingly dragged on into the 21st century and is one of those slightly uncomfortable and stranger parts of Beatle history. Bettina was born in December 1962. Her mother Erika claimed McCartney asked her to abort the baby and sought alimony at the time. McCartney denied the accusations and also that he was the baby's father. But he did pay her a sum of money. In 1966 the Beatles were about to embark on a European tour. McCartney was informed by the German courts that a matter of maintenance had to be settled before he set foot in Germany. Lawsuits continued until Bettina turned 18. In 1983, she and her mother went to court yet again to ask for maintenance payments. McCartney apparently took a blood test that came back negative. But for some reason, the courts rejected the results and made him pay maintenance anyway. Four years later, working in Berlin as a hairdresser, Bettina lost her court cases on appeal and was liable to pay legal costs of £60,000. McCartney’s lawyer advised Paul to pay it so as not to bankrupt Hubers. The story did not go away but was kept well under the radar here in the UK (unlike the Heather Mills divorce). In 2007 Hubers claimed that McCartney sent a stand in to take the paternity test and wanted a new one conducted. She also claimed the signature was a false one in the original 1980s documents and was written by a right handed person. However after further investigations the case was dropped. Some initial sources here: Daily Mail StoryHollywood Reporter storyIt's one of those Beatles stories that seems to hang around like the "Paul is Dead" story. Most people have long forgotten it or are simply unaware of this tale. It lingered on in the background for over 40 years and it seems that (now middle aged) Bettina was convinced she was a McCartney for a long time! Perhaps she still believes that now? I really don't see the likeness at all myself I don't see it at all, and Paul's kids all strike some McCartney resemblance. Mia Farrow's son and Sinatra? Absolutely. Lady Di's second son and that "other guy"? Suspicious!
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 25, 2014 21:43:33 GMT -5
Those cheek bones, the crooked smile. It looks like George may have snuck in when no one was looking.
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Post by scousette on Mar 25, 2014 22:11:32 GMT -5
This was a big story back in the 1980s and I'd all but forgotten about it until stumbling upon it again by accident. This paternity case against Paul seemingly dragged on into the 21st century and is one of those slightly uncomfortable and stranger parts of Beatle history. Bettina was born in December 1962. Her mother Erika claimed McCartney asked her to abort the baby and sought alimony at the time. McCartney denied the accusations and also that he was the baby's father. But he did pay her a sum of money. In 1966 the Beatles were about to embark on a European tour. McCartney was informed by the German courts that a matter of maintenance had to be settled before he set foot in Germany. Lawsuits continued until Bettina turned 18. In 1983, she and her mother went to court yet again to ask for maintenance payments. McCartney apparently took a blood test that came back negative. But for some reason, the courts rejected the results and made him pay maintenance anyway. Four years later, working in Berlin as a hairdresser, Bettina lost her court cases on appeal and was liable to pay legal costs of £60,000. McCartney’s lawyer advised Paul to pay it so as not to bankrupt Hubers. The story did not go away but was kept well under the radar here in the UK (unlike the Heather Mills divorce). In 2007 Hubers claimed that McCartney sent a stand in to take the paternity test and wanted a new one conducted. She also claimed the signature was a false one in the original 1980s documents and was written by a right handed person. However after further investigations the case was dropped. Some initial sources here: Daily Mail StoryHollywood Reporter storyIt's one of those Beatles stories that seems to hang around like the "Paul is Dead" story. Most people have long forgotten it or are simply unaware of this tale. It lingered on in the background for over 40 years and it seems that (now middle aged) Bettina was convinced she was a McCartney for a long time! Perhaps she still believes that now? I really don't see the likeness at all myself Macca was a randy dude, but this is wishful thinking on the part of Bettina and her mother.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 26, 2014 4:18:15 GMT -5
I suspect he undoubtedly bonked her mum: whether that means she's his daughter we will never know.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 26, 2014 9:54:46 GMT -5
I have been involved in paternity cases where everyone, including me, thought the baby or child looked just like the alleged father only to be surprised by DNA tests absolutely excluding the man. So looks alone(or lack thereof with this woman) won't convince me but the blood test would.
Next time Paul should make them pay him the Court-ordered attorney fees when he prevails again.
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Post by Panther on Mar 27, 2014 22:13:29 GMT -5
Lewisohn's wonderful 'Tune In' has some info about Bettina and Paul.
When he died, Jim Morrison had about 10 paternity suits pending.
Wrap it up, guys.
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Post by stavros on Mar 29, 2014 18:37:18 GMT -5
I've checked out Barry Miles biography of Paul - "Many Years From Now" and there is not one single mention of the Bettina Hubers case that I could find. (I did skim through it so am quite prepared to stand corrected).
Which leaves me intrigued without being convinced.
Perhaps a five decades long episode was a complete sham that Paul did what was legally necessary to swat it away like an annoying fly.
But then again it leaves that nagging doubt that there really was a bit more to it.
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Post by scousette on Mar 29, 2014 19:36:08 GMT -5
Mark Lewisohn, who seems to have dug up every bit from every nook and cranny. doesn't substantiate the Bettina Hubers case, so I doubt that she has standing.
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Post by bluecake on Jan 13, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -5
I was surprised that Paul addressed this in 2013, in an interview with Mojo magazine:
I remember an archived issue of People magazine from the 1980s profiling Bettina and her claims. She wanted to launch a pop music career under the name "Bettina McCartney," and that plus German inheritance laws (which would've allowed her to make a claim in German courts in the event Paul died and potentially frozen his German royalties) were what prompted Paul to take the blood test to resolve the issue. Paul actually gave blood and tissue samples twice, and both times they determined he was not the woman's father. When the court finally ruled against Hubers, she was ordered to pay Paul's legal fees as well, though Paul did not pursue that and paid them himself. His kindness was repaid by Huebers then telling the press that him paying the legal fees meant Paul must be feeling guilty and hiding something, so she was going to use that as the basis for a NEW paternity suit. She never did file a new paternity suit, but in 2007 tried to open a fraud case. Unfortunately for her, her claims that Paul hired a double or somehow faked the two testings was dismissed by German authorities.
I think the Bettina case - plus Philip Haworth - had legs because it was the era before widespread DNA testing, so claims could go unchecked. Peter Brown, along with a lot of first generation Beatles fans, used to argue vehemently that Philip Haworth was Paul's son, and I remember fans arguing that "denying his son" was a sin of Paul's (again, the "evidence" was supposedly that that "they looked alike"). Haworth himself was apparently raised being told Paul was his father, and his mother did date Paul back in Liverpool. But then in the early 2000s the mother revealed that she did have a fling with another guy at the time, and Philip and the guy underwent DNA testing which proved they were, in fact, father and son.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 13, 2015 17:15:01 GMT -5
I had never heard of the Philip Haworth claim! I know James McCartney looks kind of like Paul, if Paul was really chubby and had amazingly thin, balding blonde hair, but with James lack of musical talent I'd do a DNA test if I was Paul just to make sure. Don't think Stella hasn't thought of that("More for me, more for me!"). Brian Jones of the Stones had a lot of bastard children(am I allowed to call them that these days?).
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 13, 2015 19:47:56 GMT -5
I was surprised that Paul addressed this in 2013, in an interview with Mojo magazine: I remember an archived issue of People magazine from the 1980s profiling Bettina and her claims. She wanted to launch a pop music career under the name "Bettina McCartney," and that plus German inheritance laws (which would've allowed her to make a claim in German courts in the event Paul died and potentially frozen his German royalties) were what prompted Paul to take the blood test to resolve the issue. Paul actually gave blood and tissue samples twice, and both times they determined he was not the woman's father. When the court finally ruled against Hubers, she was ordered to pay Paul's legal fees as well, though Paul did not pursue that and paid them himself. His kindness was repaid by Huebers then telling the press that him paying the legal fees meant Paul must be feeling guilty and hiding something, so she was going to use that as the basis for a NEW paternity suit. She never did file a new paternity suit, but in 2007 tried to open a fraud case. Unfortunately for her, her claims that Paul hired a double or somehow faked the two testings was dismissed by German authorities. I think the Bettina case - plus Philip Haworth - had legs because it was the era before widespread DNA testing, so claims could go unchecked. Peter Brown, along with a lot of first generation Beatles fans, used to argue vehemently that Philip Haworth was Paul's son, and I remember fans arguing that "denying his son" was a sin of Paul's (again, the "evidence" was supposedly that that "they looked alike"). Haworth himself was apparently raised being told Paul was his father, and his mother did date Paul back in Liverpool. But then in the early 2000s the mother revealed that she did have a fling with another guy at the time, and Philip and the guy underwent DNA testing which proved they were, in fact, father and son. So, William Campbell wasn't the father. Maybe the other guy she dated was Paul McCartney. I think Paul must had wore his plastic mack.
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Post by Panther on Jan 13, 2015 22:18:15 GMT -5
Did George not have paternity cases? If Berry Gordy Jr. was the horniest guy in Detroit (as Marvin Gaye said), George must have been the horniest guy in Liverpool.
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Post by cosmo on Jan 16, 2015 18:47:12 GMT -5
Lol JSD, James looks "kind of like Paul"? He looks exactly like Paul! When he was a baby he looked exactly like Jim - all droopy cheeks and eyes.
Except, as you pointed out, the hair. The weight could go, and I wish it would. Plus he has a TON of chest hair - must have come from the Eastman side, cause it ain't from Paul. Too bad for him I guess that Stella got the pipes - I wish James would find something gainful to do not involving music, which he seems to do only fitfully or maybe I'm just not paying attention. I wish he would do something that makes him happy enough that he would smile more often - I'd like to think that he was enjoying life.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 16, 2015 20:44:29 GMT -5
Lol JSD, James looks "kind of like Paul"? He looks exactly like Paul! When he was a baby he looked exactly like Jim - all droopy cheeks and eyes. Except, as you pointed out, the hair. The weight could go, and I wish it would. Plus he has a TON of chest hair - must have come from the Eastman side, cause it ain't from Paul. Too bad for him I guess that Stella got the pipes - I wish James would find something gainful to do not involving music, which he seems to do only fitfully or maybe I'm just not paying attention. I wish he would do something that makes him happy enough that he would smile more often - I'd like to think that he was enjoying life. James looks more like his grandfather Jim McCartney. Paul has a lot of his mother in his looks.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 16, 2015 23:23:22 GMT -5
LOL, James looks like a lazy bugger who never had to lift a finger in his life! And in fact he hasn't!
His music is no better than 1,000,000 other bar flys playing at their local pubs and in fact James has zero soul in his music. A dude going through the motions to please his old man and his evil older sister Stella! That's my opinion of James "Big Mac" McCartney!
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Post by mikev on Jan 17, 2015 20:31:59 GMT -5
LOL, James looks like a lazy bugger who never had to lift a finger in his life! And in fact he hasn't! His music is no better than 1,000,000 other bar flys playing at their local pubs and in fact James has zero soul in his music. A dude going through the motions to please his old man and his evil older sister Stella! That's my opinion of James "Big Mac" McCartney! HEY!!!!! That's my bro you're talking about!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 17, 2015 21:57:31 GMT -5
Nice Photoshop job, Mike! It looks like you are right next to James! Next thing we know you'll pull out a photo with you, Sean Lennon, and his extremely hot girlfriend groping you! I will say in this Photoshop job, you look like the Rock Star and James the scared fan! And man, if you were that close to him, you're awfully close to that sweaty glob of chest hair! It looks like it wants to pull you into James breasts! And where did James get that terrible outfit, from Paul's WOA wardrobe?
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Post by mikev on Jan 18, 2015 13:12:34 GMT -5
Nice Photoshop job, Mike! It looks like you are right next to James! Next thing we know you'll pull out a photo with you, Sean Lennon, and his extremely hot girlfriend groping you! I will say in this Photoshop job, you look like the Rock Star and James the scared fan! And man, if you were that close to him, you're awfully close to that sweaty glob of chest hair! It looks like it wants to pull you into James breasts! And where did James get that terrible outfit, from Paul's WOA wardrobe? Well, since you asked...
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 18, 2015 13:32:25 GMT -5
Sean clearly wearing one of his Mum's old hats....
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Post by andyb on Jan 18, 2015 13:52:02 GMT -5
It's allowed. I'm wearing a pair of her old knickers.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 18, 2015 16:42:05 GMT -5
Sean clearly wearing one of his Mum's old hats.... Okay, if this isn't Photoshopped(Mike is clearly a Pro), you were really looking at Sean's hat, vectis!! Look at Charlotte Kemp Muhl with her long, slender, beautiful arm all over Mike! Dude, inquiring minds want to know, what is Charlotte really like? She makes Pattie Boyd look like Bow Wow City and coming from me, Pattie's favorite stalker, that is something!
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Post by mikev on Jan 18, 2015 18:24:18 GMT -5
Sean clearly wearing one of his Mum's old hats.... Okay, if this isn't Photoshopped(Mike is clearly a Pro), you were really looking at Sean's hat, vectis!! Look at Charlotte Kemp Muhl with her long, slender, beautiful arm all over Mike! Dude, inquiring minds want to know, what is Charlotte really like? She makes Pattie Boyd look like Bow Wow City and coming from me, Pattie's favorite stalker, that is something! They are not photoshops, though yes, I am quite good at it. Charlotte was pleasant, chatty and a hottie. Sean was quiet, and at the other venue James didn't seem to really want to be there. At both venues, I was only 10 feet away from the stage.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 19, 2015 4:45:23 GMT -5
I think it's only fair to post a pic of Mike with another famous person. Attachments:
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Post by mikev on Jan 19, 2015 12:31:59 GMT -5
I think it's only fair to post a pic of Mike with another famous person. At least THAT guy was personable!
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