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Post by sayne on Dec 23, 2014 21:38:23 GMT -5
I've got more Ringo albums than albums by any of these guys. Well, I might have more Beach Boys. Nothing of theirs past the '60s though. I added them up in iTunes: Lou Reed - 11 Beach Boys - 14 Ringo Starr - 17 Would you mind recounting, but only the ones post 1970 (guess it's zero for the Beach Boys). I think you might be helping me make my point. By sheer output, no one really puts out as many albums as Ringo did and not be considered to have some merit. Ringo's Beatle fame would not sustain a 17 album output if it was ALL crap. Yes, he was no U2, REM, or Nirvana, but his influence as a drummer never waned. He did not taint his legacy. No major performer of any merit will say that Ringo does not deserve an honor.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 23, 2014 22:41:35 GMT -5
I added them up in iTunes: Lou Reed - 11 Beach Boys - 14 Ringo Starr - 17 Would you mind recounting, but only the ones post 1970 (guess it's zero for the Beach Boys). I think you might be helping me make my point. By sheer output, no one really puts out as many albums as Ringo did and not be considered to have some merit. Ringo's Beatle fame would not sustain a 17 album output if it was ALL crap. Yes, he was no U2, REM, or Nirvana, but his influence as a drummer never waned. He did not taint his legacy. No major performer of any merit will say that Ringo does not deserve an honor. I actually meant to add that these included some best of sets. In the Beach Boys albums, it includes 50 Big Ones, which has Sail on Sailor from '73, Rock and Roll Music and Kokomo from the '80s and at the least 1 song from their last album, That's Why God Made the Radio. The Lou albums are mostly '70s but they go into the '80s, the newest one being New York from 1989. With Ringo, it includes songs Blast From the Past and Photograph: the Very Best Of ..., not to mention a live album of Ringo's All-Starrs. They go from the '70s all the way up until 2012.
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Post by scousette on Dec 24, 2014 0:39:13 GMT -5
Yes, I know I'm dating myself, but who else thought that Billy Swan's "I Can Help" was a new Ringo Starr single on the radio?
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Post by kc on Dec 24, 2014 7:06:37 GMT -5
I've always loved that song. Ringo did record a version of it at one point though, didn't he?
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 24, 2014 7:08:58 GMT -5
I've always loved that song. Ringo did record a version of it at one point though, didn't he? Elvis too.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 24, 2014 10:54:21 GMT -5
Ringo was offered "I Can Help" by its writer first and turned it down!! One of the worst musical decisions since Decca turned down The Beatles. If Ringo did "I Can Help" first then he gets the monster #1 and this RRHF talk is academic, Ringo would own the RRHF! LOL, as I imagine a drunk 1974 or 1975 Ringo saying to his manager: "No, I don't feel anything from this tendered song, "I Can Help." Elton and I have just written one called "Snookeroo" and I know that it will be a monster worldwide #1!"
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Post by mikev on Dec 24, 2014 16:57:11 GMT -5
Ringo was offered "I Can Help" b y its writer first and turned it down!! One of the worst musical decisions since Decca turned down The Beatles. If Ringo did "I Can Help" first then he gets the monster #1 and this RRHF talk is academic, Ringo would own the RRHF! LOL, as I imagine a drunk 1974 or 1975 Ringo saying to his manager: "No, I don't feel anything from this tendered song, "I Can Help." Elton and I have just written one called "Snookeroo" and I know that it will be a monster worldwide #1!" I thought the original single was Ringo, but he did do it for the aborted Chip Moman album! I think it is a pretty good version! Judge for yourselves!!
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Post by mikev on Dec 24, 2014 16:58:48 GMT -5
okay, not sure how the video got stuck in the middle of John's post...
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 24, 2014 18:19:45 GMT -5
okay, not sure how the video got stuck in the middle of John's post... If you just cut and paste a link into the post, it tends to go anywhere it wants. If you use the Insert Video button in the edit screen and label the clip and insert the link there, it's easier to place the video where you want it. Hope that helps.
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Post by Panther on Dec 24, 2014 20:59:58 GMT -5
Ringo got in for being in the Beatles. This is indeed the key point, and I'll come back to this... I'm thinking that he deserves to be in now in order to recognize him as one of the premier influential drummers. You're ignoring the fact that he is already in. But, he's out there taking his swings. If he was only known for being a Beatle, I'd say no way, too. I think that he is known for his drumming, not just being a Beatle, and he's very respected for it. Okay, has he really been "out there taking his swings"? Does he even drum on all his own records? I'm sure Ringo played more shows with The Beatles from August to December 1962 than he has played from 1970 to 2014. My gosh, as a solo artist he's outlived punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands, and he's still going. Wait... he's outlived them, or The Beatles have outlived them...
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 24, 2014 21:36:43 GMT -5
Ringo got in for being in the Beatles. This is indeed the key point, and I'll come back to this... I'm thinking that he deserves to be in now in order to recognize him as one of the premier influential drummers. You're ignoring the fact that he is already in. But, he's out there taking his swings. If he was only known for being a Beatle, I'd say no way, too. I think that he is known for his drumming, not just being a Beatle, and he's very respected for it. Okay, has he really been "out there taking his swings"? Does he even drum on all his own records? I'm sure Ringo played more shows with The Beatles from August to December 1962 than he has played from 1970 to 2014. My gosh, as a solo artist he's outlived punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands, and he's still going. Wait... he's outlived them, or The Beatles have outlived them... Wait... he's in the RHOF, or The Beatles are in the RHOF...
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Post by Panther on Dec 24, 2014 21:43:54 GMT -5
Wait... he's in the RHOF, or The Beatles are in the RHOF... Well, yes, that's exactly my point. Ringo is already in with The Beatles, as he should be. He should not be inducted as "Ringo Starr", and (apparently) he isn't being so, so it's all good.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 24, 2014 22:39:07 GMT -5
Wait... he's in the RHOF, or The Beatles are in the RHOF... Well, yes, that's exactly my point. Ringo is already in with The Beatles, as he should be. He should not be inducted as "Ringo Starr", and (apparently) he isn't being so, so it's all good. My point being - if the Beatles being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame equals Ringo being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, then Beatles outliving punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands equals Ringo outliving punk, new wave, hair bands, grunge, rebirth of boy bands. Of course the point becomes a little muddled when you consider the latter equation is being used to justify the opposite of the former equation.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 24, 2014 23:43:10 GMT -5
To make a serious argument for Ringo, I searched the nominees. What I found listed 8 artist, Ringo being one of them. There was no kind of qualifier saying Ringo's induction was anything less than the others.
We have Paul Butterfield Blues Band. I've heard of them. Didn't Eric play for them for a while? Paul Butterfield Blues Band? I don't know. Something about them makes me think they weren't even a rock band. I don't what it is. Hmmmm. Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Hmmmm., what is it?
The "5" Royales. I can't place them. TV used to always do these history of Rock and Roll shows. I would watch them intently. I can't place them. So,,, I looked them up on Wiki. 5 Royales was a Rhythm and Blues vocal group, that combined gospel, jump blues and doo wop, ...influential in the evolution of soul music. I'm starting to wonder if the folks at Rolling Stone have their heads up where they don't belong (Joe Cocker reference).
Green Day. Okay! A rock band. I really should own some Green Day. I really should.
Joan Jett. I BOUGHT THAT AlBUM! I really did. I bought it when it came out. I have in on vinyl in my hall closet.
Lou Reed. He used to be in a band called the Velvet Underground. If you don't know Lou that well, you aught to check him out. I was surprised to find out, his most popular album was Sally Can't Dance. I would have thought it was the album with Take a Walk on the Wild Side. Sally Can't Dance was the first album of his I bought. I thought I was on to something that no one else knew about. I went back and got some of the VU stuff but the solo stuff is the best. I think I posted a Street Hassle video here right after he died.
Ringo Starr. He used to be in a band called the Beatles. The USA Today site I'm looking at, notes he was the first of the group to enjoy solo hits after the break up. I guess George really didn't enjoy his hits. I wasn't aware of that.
Stevie Ray Vaughan. Well there you go. You don't even have to have hits to get in. Why are we sweating that Ringo hasn't had a hit since the mid '70s? A friend of a friend of mine really liked Stevie. I was over his house one day and he had a Stevie long form video on. His 8 year old son was playing air guitar. He really loved Stevie too. (After about 20 minutes, a living hell. I just smiled.)
Bill Withers. An R&B pop star legend. (What? Do I have to draw an arrow to my points here?)
Solo Ringo's in. Good enough. He's about the only one here WITHOUT an asterisk.
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Post by mikev on Dec 25, 2014 1:42:29 GMT -5
okay, not sure how the video got stuck in the middle of John's post... If you just cut and paste a link into the post, it tends to go anywhere it wants. If you use the Insert Video button in the edit screen and label the clip and insert the link there, it's easier to place the video where you want it. Hope that helps. I did do that. I've inserted quite a few videos here over the years. I didn't have time to edit it.
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Post by sallyg on Apr 18, 2015 11:08:34 GMT -5
Ringo tweeted this photo of him and Paul at rehearsals for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony. /photo/1
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Post by sallyg on Apr 19, 2015 1:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by sallyg on Apr 19, 2015 5:03:36 GMT -5
Brief highlights from last night's ceremony. Video begins with Joan Jett and Green Day before Paul and Ringo are shown.
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 19, 2015 7:51:51 GMT -5
Paul's speech to Ringo (below), he mentions Pete Best being great, so nice to hear... (and you were great...lol, stop laughing JSD) www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ringo-nailed-it-paul-mccartney-inducts-starr-into-rock-hall-of-fame-20150419OK. Ringo Starr was born in Liverpool at a very early age, and he had a hard childhood. Real hard childhood, but he had a beautiful mom, Elsie, and a lovely stepdad Harry. Both of them had real big hearts, beautiful people, and they loved music. So at some point during this difficult childhood, Ringo got a drum. Ringo got a drum! And that was it. He was now a drummer.
Later on he joined a group called Rory Storm and the Hurricanes. And we saw these guys when we were out in Hamburg, we were playing out there. And Ringo was like a professional musician. We were just like, slamming around and doing stuff, but he had a beard — that's professional. He had the suit. Very professional. And he would sit at the bar drinking bourbon and seven. We'd never seen anyone like this. This was like, a grown-up musician.
Anyway, we got friendly with him, and he used to come in late night when we were playing, and he requested a couple of songs, so we got to know him. And one night our drummer then, Pete Best, wasn't available, so Ringo sat in. And I remember the moment. I mean, Pete was great, and we had a good time with him. But me, John and George, God bless 'em, were on the front line singing, and now behind us we had this guy we'd never played with before, and I remember the moment when he started to play – I think it was Ray Charles, "What'd I Say," and most of the drummers couldn't nail the drum part, it's a little bit [sings a bit of it]. It was a little difficult to do, but Ringo nailed it. Yeah — Ringo nailed it! And I remember the moment, standing there and looking at John and then looking at George, and the look on our faces was like, fuck you. What is this? And that was the moment, that was the beginning, really, of the Beatles.
Anyway, then we started this great journey for these four guys from Liverpool who were . . .we just set off on their journey. We did ballrooms and clubs around England, and we got a little work in Europe, and then we eventually came to America. And here we were, we were staying in rooms together. And I wasn't a sheltered kid, but I just had my mom and dad growing up and my brother. So I was staying in a hotel room with a strange man. This really brought us together. We lived like in each other's pockets, virtually. But it was a beautiful thing, a wonderful thing. Eventually we got on The Ed Sullivan Show, and we got really famous. It was just so beautiful. As all the other drummers say, he just is something so special. When he's playing behind you, you see these other bands, they're looking around at the drummer, like, is he going to speed up, is he going to slow down? You don't have to look with Ringo.
It's a great honor for me to be able to induce him into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland tonight!
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 19, 2015 7:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by Panther on Apr 19, 2015 8:30:38 GMT -5
It's a nice speech, but... Ringo Starr was born in Liverpool at a very early age
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 19, 2015 8:32:01 GMT -5
It's a nice speech, but... Ringo Starr was born in Liverpool at a very early age What was a disappointment was he didn't address any of Ringo's solo work....?
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 19, 2015 8:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Apr 19, 2015 12:25:55 GMT -5
It's a nice speech, but... What was a disappointment was he didn't address any of Ringo's solo work....?My take was that it was meant to be funny. If John had said it we'd all be rolling on the floor.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 19, 2015 13:15:53 GMT -5
Great youtube footage of Paul & Ringo onstage last night in Cleveland.
Paul even had a nice word to say about Pete Best in his induction speech.
"Times have changed"......
Too bad when The Beatles were inducted almost 30 years ago, Paul couldn't have had a different attitude and shown up.
In Ringo's press interview prior to the ceremony this weekend, he said; "This time around I am going to remember this one."
From what I remember from The Beatles induction, Ringo was in an alcoholic haze that night.
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Post by sallyg on Apr 19, 2015 16:54:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting. Here's a video of Paul's speech.
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 19, 2015 19:29:54 GMT -5
www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-ringo-starrs-jovial-rock-hall-acceptance-speech-20150419 Ringo Starr's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Acceptance Speech:
Thank you. My name is Ringo and I play drums. I want to thank Paul for all the great things he told us. Some of them are true. You know, it's a great honor to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
I was doing the press and they're all saying, "Well, why did you wait so long?" It has nothing to do with me. You have to be invited. But anyway, apparently I'm invited and I love it. I also love that I got lucky that it's actually in Cleveland, and I'll tell you why. When I started playing, I was playing in skiffle bands, sort of house party bands, and we had a guitarist and the first band I was in was really great. I had a snare drum and Roy, the bass player, had a tea-chest bass with a hole in it and strings.
And so we're playing this skiffle music, playing anywhere we could. And then I joined a couple of other bands and I always wanted to play with great players and I kept moving up a little; up to the next band. Of course, I did end up with Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, and when I joined them, we were still a bit of a country-folk band, and the guitarists in those days — this is a nice one for all you big-shot guitarists with the big amps — we played the Cavern Club, which was a jazz club in Liverpool. And he brought a radio to plug into so we'd be electric. And we got thrown off. "Get out of here! That's not quite jazz." Anyway, we started off with a radio; the first amp we had. Things got going a lot better and we ended up playing a lot in Liverpool and around Liverpool. We never really made it anywhere else, but while that was going on, I was working in a factory. [Responds to Paul McCartney jokingly tapping on his watch] After the things I've sat through tonight. Blah blah blah. I got some stories.
I was working in the factory and playing at night and every Sunday, you know we lived in England, we only had the BBC. There was a small country in Europe called Luxembourg...very small. Population of about six. And for some reason, they had the biggest radio master. And they bought the Alan Freed Rock & Roll show. And for the first time I heard. . .well, I have to backtrack now to '55. . .Bill Haley was my hero. . .he was like the first one. Elvis came in. But anyway, I'm listening to this guy on a Sunday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, and I hear Little Richard, first time ever. I hear Jerry Lee Lewis. And I heard rock & roll music, because we weren't getting a lot of that stuff in England, and it came from this very small country. So 4 o'clock every Sunday, Roy and I would go to his house and turn on the radio and Alan Freed would introduce us to so many great rockers. And when I was a teenager, once. . .we played Little Richard, "Shag on Down to the Union Hall." Means nothing to you but to us, it's very meaningful. We couldn't believe we could hear this guy on the radio! Shag on down to the Union Hall! That seems a good place to go!
Also, I came from a port. A lot of sailors came to and from Liverpool, would bring music from New York and all over America. They'd drink all the money; they'd sell all records. Anyway, I started collecting a lot of records, listening to music, and ended up in this rock & roll band. With Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, we go to Germany, and that's where I met, you know, the Beatles. I met Paul, John (God bless you), George (God bless you). We came back to Liverpool, and there was a knock on my door. The drummer wasn't well and would I sit in? Sure. Anyway, I was living that life then, I was out of the band, and I didn't have to get up till noon. So, that was good. So I went and played a lunchtime session with George, John and Paul, and we had a great time. And then I went and showed them some clubs in Liverpool. They're not around now. I'm sort of part of their downfall. And we became friends, we hung out, and then I would go back to Rory and then come back and play with the Beatles because the other drummer couldn't make it.
Then, I got a call. We were playing a holiday in England, three-month gig, couldn't believe how great that was. Like $24 a week. And I got a call from Brian Epstein. . .I got a call to say, this was Wednesday, would I join the Beatles? And I said, "Well, when do you want me to join?" And he said, "Tonight!" And I said, "No, I can't do that. I've got a band here. We've got a job. I'll come Saturday." Because everybody in Liverpool, we were all playing the same songs so, they picked the drums and he could play. That's when this journey started.
It's been an incredible journey for me with these three guys who wrote these songs. I was talking just the other night. Paul had come in, strummed some song to us, and we played it! We would get it done in an hour and a half. We didn't spend a lot of time. There was a lot of joining. . .the Beatles, you know, they were so big and so famous, but they shared rooms, you know. . .every hotel, when we'd gotten one, or guest houses. But when we'd got to a hotel, we always had two rooms. And it didn't matter who was with who, what would happen is we hung out. But I'm telling every band in the room, you really have to get to know your other players. And another tip I brought for all bands who are starting out: When you're in a van, and you fart, own up. It'll cause hell if you don't own up because everyone will blame everyone else. Make a pact that you'll own up to it. We did and that's how we get on so well."
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 19, 2015 21:38:25 GMT -5
www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-ringo-starrs-jovial-rock-hall-acceptance-speech-20150419 Ringo Starr's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Acceptance Speech:
Thank you. My name is Ringo and I play drums. I want to thank Paul for all the great things he told us. Some of them are true. You know, it's a great honor to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
I was doing the press and they're all saying, "Well, why did you wait so long?" It has nothing to do with me. You have to be invited. But anyway, apparently I'm invited and I love it. I also love that I got lucky that it's actually in Cleveland, and I'll tell you why. When I started playing, I was playing in skiffle bands, sort of house party bands, and we had a guitarist and the first band I was in was really great. I had a snare drum and Roy, the bass player, had a tea-chest bass with a hole in it and strings.
And so we're playing this skiffle music, playing anywhere we could. And then I joined a couple of other bands and I always wanted to play with great players and I kept moving up a little; up to the next band. Of course, I did end up with Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, and when I joined them, we were still a bit of a country-folk band, and the guitarists in those days — this is a nice one for all you big-shot guitarists with the big amps — we played the Cavern Club, which was a jazz club in Liverpool. And he brought a radio to plug into so we'd be electric. And we got thrown off. "Get out of here! That's not quite jazz." Anyway, we started off with a radio; the first amp we had. Things got going a lot better and we ended up playing a lot in Liverpool and around Liverpool. We never really made it anywhere else, but while that was going on, I was working in a factory. [Responds to Paul McCartney jokingly tapping on his watch] After the things I've sat through tonight. Blah blah blah. I got some stories.
I was working in the factory and playing at night and every Sunday, you know we lived in England, we only had the BBC. There was a small country in Europe called Luxembourg...very small. Population of about six. And for some reason, they had the biggest radio master. And they bought the Alan Freed Rock & Roll show. And for the first time I heard. . .well, I have to backtrack now to '55. . .Bill Haley was my hero. . .he was like the first one. Elvis came in. But anyway, I'm listening to this guy on a Sunday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, and I hear Little Richard, first time ever. I hear Jerry Lee Lewis. And I heard rock & roll music, because we weren't getting a lot of that stuff in England, and it came from this very small country. So 4 o'clock every Sunday, Roy and I would go to his house and turn on the radio and Alan Freed would introduce us to so many great rockers. And when I was a teenager, once. . .we played Little Richard, "Shag on Down to the Union Hall." Means nothing to you but to us, it's very meaningful. We couldn't believe we could hear this guy on the radio! Shag on down to the Union Hall! That seems a good place to go!
Also, I came from a port. A lot of sailors came to and from Liverpool, would bring music from New York and all over America. They'd drink all the money; they'd sell all records. Anyway, I started collecting a lot of records, listening to music, and ended up in this rock & roll band. With Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, we go to Germany, and that's where I met, you know, the Beatles. I met Paul, John (God bless you), George (God bless you). We came back to Liverpool, and there was a knock on my door. The drummer wasn't well and would I sit in? Sure. Anyway, I was living that life then, I was out of the band, and I didn't have to get up till noon. So, that was good. So I went and played a lunchtime session with George, John and Paul, and we had a great time. And then I went and showed them some clubs in Liverpool. They're not around now. I'm sort of part of their downfall. And we became friends, we hung out, and then I would go back to Rory and then come back and play with the Beatles because the other drummer couldn't make it.
Then, I got a call. We were playing a holiday in England, three-month gig, couldn't believe how great that was. Like $24 a week. And I got a call from Brian Epstein. . .I got a call to say, this was Wednesday, would I join the Beatles? And I said, "Well, when do you want me to join?" And he said, "Tonight!" And I said, "No, I can't do that. I've got a band here. We've got a job. I'll come Saturday." Because everybody in Liverpool, we were all playing the same songs so, they picked the drums and he could play. That's when this journey started.
It's been an incredible journey for me with these three guys who wrote these songs. I was talking just the other night. Paul had come in, strummed some song to us, and we played it! We would get it done in an hour and a half. We didn't spend a lot of time. There was a lot of joining. . .the Beatles, you know, they were so big and so famous, but they shared rooms, you know. . .every hotel, when we'd gotten one, or guest houses. But when we'd got to a hotel, we always had two rooms. And it didn't matter who was with who, what would happen is we hung out. But I'm telling every band in the room, you really have to get to know your other players. And another tip I brought for all bands who are starting out: When you're in a van, and you fart, own up. It'll cause hell if you don't own up because everyone will blame everyone else. Make a pact that you'll own up to it. We did and that's how we get on so well."
So there it is. Pete Best probably never owned up to his own farts in the van. Ringo did, and they loved him for it. The real secret behind why they replaced Pete. So Pete finally knows the truth now after 53 years why he was let go....(You won't find this fact in the Lewisohn book - "Of who did this and who did that", as Paul says in his song "Early Days", to know this cold hard smelly fact of Beatle history).
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 20, 2015 0:43:08 GMT -5
As Rocko alluded to, neither Paul nor Ringo seemed to have any clue that this was an induction for Ringo as a solo artist! Both men spent their words on The Beatles! Not a word on Ringo's solo career! Dementia is indeed a sad thing! Hey boys, all four Beatles got inducted as Beatles in 1988! Ringo was too drunk back then to remember and Paul was too much an asshole to attend(thus delaying his induction as a solo artist which I always thought was funny and a justified response by the RRHF). So did Ringo perform one of his solo songs? He didn't in the video above. I guess the same happened to George's post-humous induction where the big number was "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" with Prince and Dhani and Jeff Lynne.
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Post by RockoRoll on Apr 20, 2015 1:48:06 GMT -5
So did Ringo perform one of his solo songs? He didn't in the video above. I guess the same happened to George's post-humous induction where the big number was "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" with Prince and Dhani and Jeff Lynne. And its the same 3 or 4 Beatle songs he performs, WALHFMF, Boys, I Wanna Be Your Man (Blah?), YS etc? Recently they mentioned as a Solo-Beatle he has realeased more (or equal to Paul?) albums than the rest of the Beatles? 18 to 19 albums?
Can't he rehearse any new tunes for these special ocassions eg Your Sixteen, Devil Woman, Heart On My Sleeve, even a new rocky version of It Don't Come Easy etc
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