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Post by scousette on Feb 17, 2015 19:32:14 GMT -5
(For what it's worth, I'm not even going to look at it - it will hurt too much). Don't look at it. It's painful.
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lowbasso
A Hard Day's Knight
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 17, 2015 21:34:29 GMT -5
You could hear the sound man desparately trying to do something, anything, to enhance his vocal mike to make it sound better or fuller. Last week it was the Grammy debacle. Now this. I agree, of all the songs to choose.... He is still and always will be Beatle Paul. The great songwriter and legend from the greatest band there ever was. Tonite was not his night. Hard recover from a big gig just 20 hours earlier at the age of 72? Probably. Still love you Paul. Could have used John this week to tell you like it is. You always listened to him. What Grammy debacle? Paul has written a No. 1 song (or soon to be) with Kenye West and they did a great live version of the song. Are you talking about him standing up during Evil Woman? Come on, no harm no foul. He just realized the camera was right on top of him and reacted to that. They are always going to shots of Paul on these shows. There is no way some nobody cameraman is going to interject himself into the moment and tell James Paul McCartney to sit down. I was not embarrassed at all by that. Paul was in the moment dancing to his pal Jeff Lynn's great song. Paul's fans are the harshest on him. As for the SNL 40 performance, he needs to change the key he sing MIA in an it will be fine or just drop it. I agree it was not good. What Grammy debacle? How about no working microphone... Didn't someone tell you about that Paul? Welcome back! Quite a couple of weeks you had eh?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 18, 2015 6:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Feb 18, 2015 7:51:45 GMT -5
What Grammy debacle? Paul has written a No. 1 song (or soon to be) with Kenye West and they did a great live version of the song. Are you talking about him standing up during Evil Woman? Come on, no harm no foul. He just realized the camera was right on top of him and reacted to that. They are always going to shots of Paul on these shows. There is no way some nobody cameraman is going to interject himself into the moment and tell James Paul McCartney to sit down. I was not embarrassed at all by that. Paul was in the moment dancing to his pal Jeff Lynn's great song. Paul's fans are the harshest on him. As for the SNL 40 performance, he needs to change the key he sing MIA in an it will be fine or just drop it. I agree it was not good. What Grammy debacle? How about no working microphone... Didn't someone tell you about that Paul? Welcome back! Quite a couple of weeks you had eh? Thanks for the welcome back. I have been busy. As for the mic, I agree that was not a good part of the evening, but overall it was positive.
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Post by stavros on Feb 18, 2015 17:45:15 GMT -5
www.hulu.com/watch/751650Thanks for posting the Rolling Stone links JSD and Joe K. I used to love SNL when I could catch it in Britain. It was on TV more in the 1980s when we had just 4 free to air channels. Now despite having at least 40 free and around 500+ cable/satellite channels it's not even aired in the UK on TV any more. Anyway - yes sadly Paul's voice is failing. 'Maybe I'm Amazed' is a true classic but he struggled and even warbled through parts there. The opening bars were particularly 'difficult'. I know he loves his audience and there aren't too many opportunities left for the world to see a real live 'Beatle' play his songs. But it really is time to pace himself a lot better before he really embarrasses himself. Paul Simon's performance was better than Macca (although he wavered a bit as well) and he's slightly older than him.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Feb 18, 2015 20:16:33 GMT -5
www.hulu.com/watch/751650Thanks for posting the Rolling Stone links JSD and Joe K. I used to love SNL when I could catch it in Britain. It was on TV more in the 1980s when we had just 4 free to air channels. Now despite having at least 40 free and around 500+ cable/satellite channels it's not even aired in the UK on TV any more. Anyway - yes sadly Paul's voice is failing. 'Maybe I'm Amazed' is a true classic but he struggled and even warbled through parts there. The opening bars were particularly 'difficult'. I know he loves his audience and there aren't too many opportunities left for the world to see a real live 'Beatle' play his songs. But it really is time to pace himself a lot better before he really embarrasses himself. Paul Simon's performance was better than Macca (although he wavered a bit as well) and he's slightly older than him. His voice was fine the night before at the Valentine's Day concert. Don't overstate things based on one song that he needs to lower the key on. Yes his vocal range with some songs is not compatible. But most of the time he comes off well. Take a look at the videos from the previous night's concert.
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Post by sayne on Feb 18, 2015 21:07:27 GMT -5
As I said earlier, he hit those high "ooooohs," and his voice did not crack when he went balls out during the second half.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 18, 2015 21:27:20 GMT -5
As I said earlier, he hit those high "ooooohs," and his voice did not crack when he went balls out during the second half. You mean as you opined... I thought he was still terrible throughout, though the main shocker is what's at the very beginning. Besides the lousy singing, I really hate the "hard" style of the piano playing here and there.
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 19, 2015 5:00:27 GMT -5
Is everybody (except Joe and scousette) deaf? How can you listen to the present day travesty of what his voice used to be and make excuses for it? Watch Rockshow, which is how an ex-Beatle should sound live in concert, and then make your argument that he isn't destroying his legacy these days because he can't bear not to be in front of an audience. His voice is completely knackered and it isn't becoming an embarrassment, it IS an embarrassment.
It is heartbreaking to hear him.
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Post by Panther on Feb 19, 2015 6:21:30 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing here, I think. Let's pause to remember how old Paul is -- he's older than your Grandpa was when you were kids. Do you really expect him to sing a long/high-note song well the night after a full concert? Never going to happen.
The issue here -- which I hope Paul's underlings aren't too sycophantic to raise with him -- is how his schedule is being organized. Who allows a feeble 74-year-old to sing live on TV, to millions, the night after a concert? It seems likely that Paul himself thought this was a good idea and he pushed it to happen. If this is the case, then his staff need to start telling him more what he's capable of.
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Post by RockoRoll on Feb 19, 2015 7:58:08 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing here, I think. Let's pause to remember how old Paul is -- he's older than your Grandpa was when you were kids. Do you really expect him to sing a long/high-note song well the night after a full concert? Never going to happen. The issue here -- which I hope Paul's underlings aren't too sycophantic to raise with him -- is how his schedule is being organized. Who allows a feeble 74-year-old to sing live on TV, to millions, the night after a concert? It seems likely that Paul himself thought this was a good idea and he pushed it to happen. If this is the case, then his staff need to start telling him more what he's capable of. Well said Panther.... (by the way Paul is 72, Ringo's 74... ) Geez, did he cope it from his own site.....Paul McCartney.com? (thought we were bad...lol) maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2837076&sid=f2714ce1e0adae5d730cf7abe0e514e3Here is one of the posts, which flew me....Which I agree with him? (esp when they would have rehearsed the song?) Moptops (Postie)
Does he take advice from his band or are they all sycophants? Surely they might have gently nudged him and suggested this was not a good song choice...or do they pat him on the back after that debacle... and it was a debacle, say "great show boss," ...
...and he believes them.
Seriously.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 19, 2015 8:50:01 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing here, I think. Let's pause to remember how old Paul is -- he's older than your Grandpa was when you were kids. Do you really expect him to sing a long/high-note song well the night after a full concert? Never going to happen. Very true. However, it's not only about his age, since other singers around Paul's age, or older, can deliver (Tom Jones and Tony Bennett, for instance). It's probably more how Paul has screamed and ravaged his voice when he was younger... but whatever the case, it's okay; I'm not faulting Paul for this. But what I AM faulting Paul for is being egotistical enough to think he can sing just the same as he always used to (without taking it down a key or two), and also it's vain for Paul to continue to attempt what you said here: Agreed. Paul needs to realize he needs to limit his performances, and perhaps sing in a lower key. Also, to avoid songs he can't handle anymore, like "Maybe I'm Amazed".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 19, 2015 8:53:32 GMT -5
Is everybody (except Joe and scousette) deaf? How can you listen to the present day travesty of what his voice used to be and make excuses for it? Watch Rockshow, which is how an ex-Beatle should sound live in concert, and then make your argument that he isn't destroying his legacy these days because he can't bear not to be in front of an audience. His voice is completely knackered and it isn't becoming an embarrassment, it IS an embarrassment. It is heartbreaking to hear him. Vectis, did you click onto the SNL link, at least for "research" purposes? But I still think that -- while sometimes Paul's voice is a horror show -- there are times I think he does okay. I know "okay" is not the same as "great", I will accept that from him if he can manage it.
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Post by mikev on Feb 19, 2015 10:14:16 GMT -5
As I said earlier, he hit those high "ooooohs," and his voice did not crack when he went balls out during the second half. I agree. I think Paul felt the frog in his throat and at the beginning, started off with his "new" whisper voice, and had to follow through the first verse that way. Make no mistake about it- it sounded awful, but he kicked into full gear later in the song.
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Post by sayne on Feb 19, 2015 22:23:23 GMT -5
As I said earlier, he hit those high "ooooohs," and his voice did not crack when he went balls out during the second half. You mean as you opined... I thought he was still terrible throughout, though the main shocker is what's at the very beginning. Besides the lousy singing, I really hate the "hard" style of the piano playing here and there. No opinion. Fact. Show us one time after the first guitar solo and high "ooohs" that Paul's voice cracks. The facts will show that his voice was in tune, he hit the high notes, and he was able to give us the loud voice, too. I think many people were so shocked by the weakness of the opening of the song that they never recovered enough to appreciate what came afterwards. Yes, I will not argue that Paul was perfect. I will not argue that his singing was clear and flawless. I will not argue that it was a performance for the ages, let alone one of his best of recent years. I will not argue that he shouldn't change the key and/or put away Maybe I'm Amazed. What I will argue is that it was not awful or tantamount to Ali sitting on the stool after being pulverized by Larry Holmes. I'm not a Paul apologist. Paul the great singer is gone. But, is Paul "dead"? Nah. He's kinda like listening to old 78s. Scratches, but still worth hearing.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 20, 2015 7:10:52 GMT -5
No opinion. Fact. Show us one time after the first guitar solo and high "ooohs" that Paul's voice cracks. That is well into the song already. Whether the voice "cracked" or "sounded strained and desperate" is a matter of semantics. I have heard Paul sing MIA hundreds of time, and have no problem realizing that this was horrendous. I have winced before when Paul attempts this song, as he hasn't been able to sing it well for something like 20 years or more now... but I thought SNL's was the absolute nadir. Paul should never, ever, attempt this song again - not even at a lower key. Let's see if he's learned anything from this embarrassment, or if he's so egotistical that he'll be singing it again some time. (Hey, if he gets lessons and comes back to prove himself at a later date and really NAILS it, I will be the first to applaud). I thought the entire performance sucked, and Paul was desperately trying to recover later on during it and make up for the start - which he could not, IMO. My girlfriend is a professional singer who's performed concerts around the world, and she also felt the same way.
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Post by RockoRoll on Feb 20, 2015 10:04:08 GMT -5
Joe, no relation to this guy (lol).....Gee, a bit rough, coming from a non-beatle fan........
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