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Post by mikev on Apr 4, 2015 10:42:32 GMT -5
I'm struggling to believe this is Cynthia, though there is documentation that she did this. It is very very well sung. She has more vocal talent than Linda, Yoko and Courtney Love. How did no one see that?
I've heard the spoken In My Life, with just a brief singing part, but this is the real deal if it is her.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 4, 2015 11:43:05 GMT -5
I'm struggling to believe this is Cynthia, though there is documentation that she did this. It is very very well sung. She has more vocal talent than Linda, Yoko and Courtney Love. How did no one see that? I've heard the spoken In My Life, with just a brief singing part, but this is the real deal if it is her. Are you sure Mike? What is the documentation that claims this is her?
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Post by sayne on Apr 4, 2015 12:53:34 GMT -5
If you look at the video I posted on the John Lennon section of the thread on Cynthia Lennon 1939-2015, you will see her mentioning her singing the song (abour the 2:20 mark).
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 4, 2015 12:55:48 GMT -5
I first learned of this recording through Steve Marinucci's Examiner Article: www.examiner.com/article/beatles-friends-fans-pay-tribute-to-cynthia-lennon-first-wife-of-beatle-johnAnd if I may quote Steve: "Los Angeles BWTB host Chris Carter of KLOS-FM said, “So sad about Cynthia. How loyal she was to John's reputation after they split. Julian is the same way. She always seemed to be a caring and thoughtful person….(and she sang one heck of a version of 'Those Were The Days'!) Our thoughts and prayers are with Julian and the rest of the family.” and "Tom Frangione, one of our semi-regular co-hosts, said, “I had the pleasure of meeting her several times at Fests and other events over the years, and had the honor of interviewing her on stage in 1994. She was always very gracious and accommodating. I particularly enjoyed her 2006 book, 'John,' which I purchased as a book-on-CD as it was read by the author, and made for some nice listening (and use on various CD/radio projects !)” He noted that she also released a cover of "Those Were the Days". She also did "In My Life"." If that is Cynthia singing John should have done solo albums with her! I am like Mike, surprised but I think it would be awesome!
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 4, 2015 12:58:07 GMT -5
If you look at the video I posted on the John Lennon section of the thread on Cynthia Lennon 1939-2015, you will see her mentioning her singing the song (abour the 2:20 mark). Great spot sayne! Wow! There's the proof!
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 4, 2015 16:53:20 GMT -5
If you look at the video I posted on the John Lennon section of the thread on Cynthia Lennon 1939-2015, you will see her mentioning her singing the song (abour the 2:20 mark). Great spot sayne! Wow! There's the proof! Well I must say she sang a helluva lot better than Yoko does. I am surprised Julian didn't try to get her on one of his albums.
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Post by Panther on Apr 5, 2015 0:58:52 GMT -5
Liverpudlians are Irish-bred or influenced. They're singers.
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Post by mikev on Apr 5, 2015 3:41:59 GMT -5
Great spot sayne! Wow! There's the proof! Well I must say she sang a helluva lot better than Yoko does. I am surprised Julian didn't try to get her on one of his albums. As you are the most professional singer here (other than RTP who is really Paul)- I was curious to what your opinion of her voice would be. The timbre and vibrato sound pretty seasoned to me. I also find it wildly ironic that John tried so hard to get Yoko on vinyl (sorry Joe, but she ain't Maria Callas -probably closer to Charlie Callas), and here you have a woman who can sing as well as the likes of Lulu, Petula Clark and Cilla Black living under your roof.
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Post by mikev on Apr 5, 2015 9:38:42 GMT -5
Liverpudlians are Irish-bred or influenced. They're singers. So then what happened to Ringo?
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Post by mikev on Apr 5, 2015 9:50:02 GMT -5
As I listen yet again- there is nothing "novel" here- I would really be floored if it turned out she also did those background ahhs. Man the "what ifs" going on in my head. Paul would not have been ridiculed if he put Cynthia in Wings instead of Linda!
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Post by mikev on Apr 5, 2015 10:04:13 GMT -5
If you look at the video I posted on the John Lennon section of the thread on Cynthia Lennon 1939-2015, you will see her mentioning her singing the song (abour the 2:20 mark). Great spot sayne! Wow! There's the proof! I would say lip syncing the song is good proof, unless... it was the time period of Milli Vanilli...
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 5, 2015 12:19:14 GMT -5
Liverpudlians are Irish-bred or influenced. They're singers. So then what happened to Ringo? Ringo sings pretty good to have such a big honker.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 5, 2015 16:39:14 GMT -5
Well I must say she sang a helluva lot better than Yoko does. I am surprised Julian didn't try to get her on one of his albums. As you are the most professional singer here (other than RTP who is really Paul)- I was curious to what your opinion of her voice would be. The timbre and vibrato sound pretty seasoned to me. I also find it wildly ironic that John tried so hard to get Yoko on vinyl (sorry Joe, but she ain't Maria Callas -probably closer to Charlie Callas), and here you have a woman who can sing as well as the likes of Lulu, Petula Clark and Cilla Black living under your roof. She must have done it on a whim. Was the vocal multi-tracked (which can cover up a lot of imperfections) or did she have back-up singers help her on the vocal track? Hard to tell. I don't recall Cynthia ever saying she wanted a career as a singer. Why didn't she sing the meolody in her recording of "In My Life" as opposed to "rapping" her way through it until the very end, which was a little shaky vocally in that case? That sounded like an untrained solo voice trying to sing. I heard that and thought; "Oh my, Cynthia was definitely not a singer." That is why I found the other track (Those Were The Days) posted pretty incredulous when told it was Cynthia, because it sounds like a trained singer(s). Seriously, Julian would have put her on a record with him or by herself if she had wanted. Don't recall John ever commenting at all on Cynthia's voice, so she must not have sung much around him. Anybody else recall John mentioning Cynthia as a potential singer with a good voice? Someone should ask Julian about her musical abilities.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Apr 5, 2015 17:10:12 GMT -5
I also find it wildly ironic that John tried so hard to get Yoko on vinyl (sorry Joe, but she ain't Maria Callas -probably closer to Charlie Callas), It's not that I'm some huge fan of Yoko's voice, her singing, or her records; I like some and I dislike some. I just don't subscribe to the widely-held theory that they're all automatically worthless. I don't know where it's written that every female vocalist (or male) must have some kind of great voice to make records. The B-52's and Lene Lovich sure didn't mind. There have been all sorts of odd and offbeat vocalists on records -- like, forever. (But I guess it doesn't irk people as much because THOSE other artists did not "steal" their beloved Beatle John ) .
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Post by Panther on Apr 6, 2015 7:10:00 GMT -5
Liverpudlians are Irish-bred or influenced. They're singers. So then what happened to Ringo? All in good fun, but do you really think Ringo isn't a good singer? I think he's fantastic! (well, in his younger days) Ringo lacks range (compared to 'good' singers like Paul and John), and he probably can't harmonize like George could, but then again he has a stronger and more distinctive voice than George. He can rip out the R&B numbers like anybody's business. His BBC renditions of 'Matchbox' and 'Boys' always floor me with his effervescent energy. Some good vocals!
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Post by mikev on Apr 6, 2015 9:31:34 GMT -5
So then what happened to Ringo? All in good fun, but do you really think Ringo isn't a good singer? I think he's fantastic! (well, in his younger days) Ringo lacks range (compared to 'good' singers like Paul and John), and he probably can't harmonize like George could, but then again he has a stronger and more distinctive voice than George. He can rip out the R&B numbers like anybody's business. His BBC renditions of 'Matchbox' and 'Boys' always floor me with his effervescent energy. Some good vocals! I was just joking, as he has pretty decent vocal chops but he is technically not a "great" singer. Ringo can harmonize-he does it well in Blindman for example.
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Post by mikev on Apr 6, 2015 9:35:04 GMT -5
As you are the most professional singer here (other than RTP who is really Paul)- I was curious to what your opinion of her voice would be. The timbre and vibrato sound pretty seasoned to me. I also find it wildly ironic that John tried so hard to get Yoko on vinyl (sorry Joe, but she ain't Maria Callas -probably closer to Charlie Callas), and here you have a woman who can sing as well as the likes of Lulu, Petula Clark and Cilla Black living under your roof. She must have done it on a whim. Was the vocal multi-tracked (which can cover up a lot of imperfections) or did she have back-up singers help her on the vocal track? Hard to tell. I don't recall Cynthia ever saying she wanted a career as a singer. Why didn't she sing the meolody in her recording of "In My Life" as opposed to "rapping" her way through it until the very end, which was a little shaky vocally in that case? That sounded like an untrained solo voice trying to sing. I heard that and thought; "Oh my, Cynthia was definitely not a singer." That is why I found the other track (Those Were The Days) posted pretty incredulous when told it was Cynthia, because it sounds like a trained singer(s). Seriously, Julian would have put her on a record with him or by herself if she had wanted. Don't recall John ever commenting at all on Cynthia's voice, so she must not have sung much around him. Anybody else recall John mentioning Cynthia as a potential singer with a good voice? Someone should ask Julian about her musical abilities. That's why I wanted your take- she sounds hesitant and amateurish on the one line on In My Life, but so peppy and full of life and great technique on the Hopkins cover.
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Post by mikev on Apr 6, 2015 9:42:34 GMT -5
I also find it wildly ironic that John tried so hard to get Yoko on vinyl (sorry Joe, but she ain't Maria Callas -probably closer to Charlie Callas), It's not that I'm some huge fan of Yoko's voice, her singing, or her records; I like some and I dislike some. I just don't subscribe to the widely-held theory that they're all automatically worthless. I don't know where it's written that every female vocalist (or male) must have some kind of great voice to make records. The B-52's and Lene Lovich sure didn't mind. There have been all sorts of odd and offbeat vocalists on records -- like, forever. (But I guess it doesn't irk people as much because THOSE other artists did not "steal" their beloved Beatle John ) . My general feeling on her songs is that the structured ones are mostly okay and the cat being tortured 20 minute long cackles are a case of the emperor not wearing clothes. And her yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayas do not make for a pleasant backing instrument on John's songs and most particularly Chuck Berry's. I'll make an exception to the cackling in a hybrid style, for a song like Walking on Thin Ice, which I do like.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 6, 2015 12:39:05 GMT -5
Great spot sayne! Wow! There's the proof! I would say lip syncing the song is good proof, unless... it was the time period of Milli Vanilli... LOL, yeah I meant more her comments to the interviewers that she had just recorded the song. There is that brief snippet of her pretending to sing in a studio which you are referring to. I think she went on this show to specifically plug the record but as always, the interviewers just wanted her to talk about the past. That happens to Paul and Ringo to this day, i.e., Paul's recent TV rounds to plug that song he did for the fantasy game. The TV hosts spent one second on the song the rest with lame Beatles questions. Just like Ringo on Ellen the other day.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 6, 2015 17:14:26 GMT -5
Ringo was asked on the recent Entertainment Tonight spot about how he once said he wanted to be known for more than just being in the Beatles. He said his solo career could never be bigger than the Beatles career. They were the biggest act there ever was. "And I was in it", he says proudly. He said "I guess there's a little interest in what I'm doing here, but basically you're here because I was in the Beatles".
I'm paraphrasing here, but that was the jest.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 6, 2015 17:29:01 GMT -5
If John was even aware that Cynthia could sing, maybe he should have been like Mick Jagger to Marianne Faithfull(at least early in their relationship) in the sense of helping her musical career by writing great songs for her to sing! Cynthia being a Pop star sure would have made John even more jealous!
Just "what ifs" but that is what we Beatles fans like to do.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 6, 2015 19:25:34 GMT -5
Ringo was asked on the recent Entertainment Tonight spot about how he once said he wanted to be known for more than just being in the Beatles. He said his solo career could never be bigger than the Beatles career. They were the biggest act there ever was. "And I was in it", he says proudly. He said "I guess there's a little interest in what I'm doing here, but basically you're here because I was in the Beatles". I'm paraphrasing here, but that was the jest. Ringo always saw things for what they are. Paul is still trying to convince himself otherwise....
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 6, 2015 19:27:36 GMT -5
She must have done it on a whim. Was the vocal multi-tracked (which can cover up a lot of imperfections) or did she have back-up singers help her on the vocal track? Hard to tell. I don't recall Cynthia ever saying she wanted a career as a singer. Why didn't she sing the meolody in her recording of "In My Life" as opposed to "rapping" her way through it until the very end, which was a little shaky vocally in that case? That sounded like an untrained solo voice trying to sing. I heard that and thought; "Oh my, Cynthia was definitely not a singer." That is why I found the other track (Those Were The Days) posted pretty incredulous when told it was Cynthia, because it sounds like a trained singer(s). Seriously, Julian would have put her on a record with him or by herself if she had wanted. Don't recall John ever commenting at all on Cynthia's voice, so she must not have sung much around him. Anybody else recall John mentioning Cynthia as a potential singer with a good voice? Someone should ask Julian about her musical abilities. That's why I wanted your take- she sounds hesitant and amateurish on the one line on In My Life, but so peppy and full of life and great technique on the Hopkins cover. So how much auto-tuning was done on "Those Were The Days?"
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 6, 2015 20:01:11 GMT -5
Ringo was asked on the recent Entertainment Tonight spot about how he once said he wanted to be known for more than just being in the Beatles. He said his solo career could never be bigger than the Beatles career. They were the biggest act there ever was. "And I was in it", he says proudly. He said "I guess there's a little interest in what I'm doing here, but basically you're here because I was in the Beatles". I'm paraphrasing here, but that was the jest. Ringo always saw things for what they are. Paul is still trying to convince himself otherwise.... The opposite. Paul actually has a career that could rival the Beatles but he spends all of his time promoting the Beatles. He won't do more solo songs on tour because people want the Beatle songs. He throws in a few solo songs in some of his high profile one-offs, but mostly, he does Beatle songs.
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Post by mikev on Apr 6, 2015 20:47:23 GMT -5
That's why I wanted your take- she sounds hesitant and amateurish on the one line on In My Life, but so peppy and full of life and great technique on the Hopkins cover. So how much auto-tuning was done on "Those Were The Days?" Funny, I thought of that, but in 1995?? I don't think autotune can do that even today-create vibrato. It can make someone sing in tune.
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Post by scousette on Apr 6, 2015 23:18:56 GMT -5
Cher's "Believe" in 1998 is the first widely acknowledged use of Auto-Tune. Cynthia's recoding pre-dates that by three years,.
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 7, 2015 4:05:59 GMT -5
Ringo can't sing (or, to me more accurate, his very distinctive voice has no tone), but he can deliver a song. They are not the same thing.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 7, 2015 12:31:14 GMT -5
Ringo always saw things for what they are. Paul is still trying to convince himself otherwise.... The opposite. Paul actually has a career that could rival the Beatles but he spends all of his time promoting the Beatles. He won't do more solo songs on tour because people want the Beatle songs. He throws in a few solo songs in some of his high profile one-offs, but mostly, he does Beatle songs. You have proved my point in your statement. As to having a career that could rival The Beatles; Could it be that the public wants the Beatle songs because they think they are better....... My guess is Paul would rather his solo efforts matched the popularity of his Beatle efforts in his concerts. But that has never seem to have been the case..... Paul has been touring either solo or with other bands since his Wings days. Have any of those tours ever rivaled a Beatles tour in terms of the fans reactions? Why do most people go to a Paul McCartney concert? Could it be because he was a Beatle? Have any of his so-called best solo albums topped the best Beatle albums? Overall, is his catalogue better than The Beatle catalogue? This is purely an individual opinion. My opinion; no. Paul is where he is in the musical world because he was a Beatle and because of all that that word infers. Ringo will admit it. Paul won't. But he knows.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 7, 2015 17:27:31 GMT -5
The opposite. Paul actually has a career that could rival the Beatles but he spends all of his time promoting the Beatles. He won't do more solo songs on tour because people want the Beatle songs. He throws in a few solo songs in some of his high profile one-offs, but mostly, he does Beatle songs. You have proved my point in your statement. As to having a career that could rival The Beatles; Could it be that the public wants the Beatle songs because they think they are better....... My guess is Paul would rather his solo efforts matched the popularity of his Beatle efforts in his concerts. But that has never seem to have been the case..... Paul has been touring either solo or with other bands since his Wings days. Have any of those tours ever rivaled a Beatles tour in terms of the fans reactions? Why do most people go to a Paul McCartney concert? Could it be because he was a Beatle? Have any of his so-called best solo albums topped the best Beatle albums? Overall, is his catalogue better than The Beatle catalogue? This is purely an individual opinion. My opinion; no. Paul is where he is in the musical world because he was a Beatle and because of all that that word infers. Ringo will admit it. Paul won't. But he knows. What? Paul is playing more Beatle songs than solo songs because that's what the fan base wants to hear. So how is that Paul not facing the fact that the fans would rather hear Beatle songs? Fans want to hear the Beatle songs because that what they expect to hear. I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announce he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour. If the show was good, it would get a lot of buzz and the tour could probably be extended. Paul stopped "touring the new album" with Off the Ground, not his best period. No wonder the fans began losing interest. He countered with a Beatles revival tour. He's been doing that since.
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 7, 2015 18:28:30 GMT -5
You have proved my point in your statement. As to having a career that could rival The Beatles; Could it be that the public wants the Beatle songs because they think they are better....... My guess is Paul would rather his solo efforts matched the popularity of his Beatle efforts in his concerts. But that has never seem to have been the case..... Paul has been touring either solo or with other bands since his Wings days. Have any of those tours ever rivaled a Beatles tour in terms of the fans reactions? Why do most people go to a Paul McCartney concert? Could it be because he was a Beatle? Have any of his so-called best solo albums topped the best Beatle albums? Overall, is his catalogue better than The Beatle catalogue? This is purely an individual opinion. My opinion; no. Paul is where he is in the musical world because he was a Beatle and because of all that that word infers. Ringo will admit it. Paul won't. But he knows. What? Paul is playing more Beatle songs than solo songs because that's what the fan base wants to hear. So how is that Paul not facing the fact that the fans would rather hear Beatle songs? Fans want to hear the Beatle songs because that what they expect to hear. I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announce he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour. If the show was good, it would get a lot of buzz and the tour could probably be extended. Paul stopped "touring the new album" with Off the Ground, not his best period. No wonder the fans began losing interest. He countered with a Beatles revival tour. He's been doing that since. "I'm sure he would get a lot of interest if he announced he was doing a short "No Beatle Songs" tour." Seriously? You believe that?
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