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Post by sayne on Apr 15, 2015 18:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by Panther on Apr 16, 2015 0:50:26 GMT -5
"While writing ['Do You Want to Know a Secret?'], Lennon realized he was actually in love with Cynthia."
Nope.
"In effect, the singer [of 'She Loves You'] is not really advising his friend, rather he’s warning him that if he doesn’t appreciate this woman, then he (the singer) will."
Actually, he's just described 'You're Going to Lose that Girl'.
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Post by joshferrell on Apr 16, 2015 12:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 16, 2015 15:05:45 GMT -5
"While writing ['Do You Want to Know a Secret?'], Lennon realized he was actually in love with Cynthia."
Nope. "In effect, the singer [of 'She Loves You'] is not really advising his friend, rather he’s warning him that if he doesn’t appreciate this woman, then he (the singer) will."Actually, he's just described 'You're Going to Lose that Girl'. I certainly questioned that entire bit on "Do You Want To Know A Secret" and I think John has always been forthcoming on the Disney song influence, that was a memory he had of his Mom singing it or maybe she took him to the movie. I do find some credibility in the "She Loves You" theory espoused in that article that the song's singer might be bidding his time to win the girl over if his friend keeps messing up. That then gets more pronounced in "You're Going To Lose That Girl" where the singer has had enough and comes out with his specific threat to his "friend." Similarly, I always felt that "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" could easily morph into "Run For Your Life." In the first song, John is starting to fret over his missing girlfriend at a party and he is starting to drink, not something that will help the situation. He is going to take a walk and look for her. In "Run For Your Life," he finds her, sees her talking to another guy and by now he is drunk, thus his threats. It is a one-two punch, just as I see "She Loves You" and "You're Going To Lose That Girl."
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Post by Panther on Apr 16, 2015 17:52:50 GMT -5
Yes, and the John/Cynthia vs. John/Yoko difference can be seen on John's songwriting.
John w/Cynthia: "I'm gonna get that little woman!"
John w/Yoko: "Momma's gonna get me!"
How much of that is down to Cynthia and Yoko as people is probably exaggerated in popular culture; in the main it is simply the result of John's growing up and broadening his horizons.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 16, 2015 18:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Apr 17, 2015 0:32:15 GMT -5
I didn't think my site was particularly anti-Beatles.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Apr 19, 2015 13:36:43 GMT -5
"While writing ['Do You Want to Know a Secret?'], Lennon realized he was actually in love with Cynthia."
Nope. "In effect, the singer [of 'She Loves You'] is not really advising his friend, rather he’s warning him that if he doesn’t appreciate this woman, then he (the singer) will."Actually, he's just described 'You're Going to Lose that Girl'. I certainly questioned that entire bit on "Do You Want To Know A Secret" and I think John has always been forthcoming on the Disney song influence, that was a memory he had of his Mom singing it or maybe she took him to the movie. I do find some credibility in the "She Loves You" theory espoused in that article that the song's singer might be bidding his time to win the girl over if his friend keeps messing up. That then gets more pronounced in "You're Going To Lose That Girl" where the singer has had enough and comes out with his specific threat to his "friend." Similarly, I always felt that "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" could easily morph into "Run For Your Life." In the first song, John is starting to fret over his missing girlfriend at a party and he is starting to drink, not something that will help the situation. He is going to take a walk and look for her. In "Run For Your Life," he finds her, sees her talking to another guy and by now he is drunk, thus his threats. It is a one-two punch, just as I see "She Loves You" and "You're Going To Lose That Girl." Or one-two-three, if you count "You Can't Do That"...
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 20, 2015 0:25:57 GMT -5
I certainly questioned that entire bit on "Do You Want To Know A Secret" and I think John has always been forthcoming on the Disney song influence, that was a memory he had of his Mom singing it or maybe she took him to the movie. I do find some credibility in the "She Loves You" theory espoused in that article that the song's singer might be bidding his time to win the girl over if his friend keeps messing up. That then gets more pronounced in "You're Going To Lose That Girl" where the singer has had enough and comes out with his specific threat to his "friend." Similarly, I always felt that "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" could easily morph into "Run For Your Life." In the first song, John is starting to fret over his missing girlfriend at a party and he is starting to drink, not something that will help the situation. He is going to take a walk and look for her. In "Run For Your Life," he finds her, sees her talking to another guy and by now he is drunk, thus his threats. It is a one-two punch, just as I see "She Loves You" and "You're Going To Lose That Girl." Or one-two-three, if you count "You Can't Do That"... That's a good point, Winston. John's early shot across the bow to his woman, warning her not to cheat on him. Then fast forward to the party that goes wrong and her running for her life. A trilogy.
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Post by Panther on Apr 20, 2015 2:39:02 GMT -5
Another trilogy:
1) I Want to Hold Your Hand 2) I Need You 3) Why Don't We Do It in the Road?
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