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Post by debjorgo on Dec 28, 2015 7:06:32 GMT -5
I'm not into streaming music. I had Spotify on my computer for a few years, the free version, not the Premium one you have to pay a monthly fee for. I lost interest in it very quickly. And i only listen to music in my car so vinyl is out for me, plus, i just don't like that as a music format at my vintage. I'm also wondering why vinyl is having a resurgence, music shops like JB HIFI have floor space dedicated to vinyl, something i haven't seen since cd's took off big time. There must be more to it than vinyl records make good frisbees. The album covers, especially the double gatefold type, are great for rolling your weed on.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 28, 2015 8:03:47 GMT -5
Steve's latest story on streaming www.examiner.com/article/most-beatles-music-streamers-on-spotify-weren-t-born-yet-when-group-broke-up sites the Beatles 1 as being in the top 5 on iTunes. That's pretty good considering they have the whole catalog on sale for $7.99 each and all of the excitement for streaming on the other services. I assume iTunes, Spotify and the other services only use their own sales to chart their Top 10 lists. So with all the Beatle albums on sale, wouldn't it be a significant achievement having one album hit the top 5? ITunes lists The Evolution of the Beatles in their Hot Playlist selections. Not a bad playlist for a newbea.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 28, 2015 8:37:41 GMT -5
Debit cards and checks are the monetary equivalent of streaming and ITunes - not tangible things, but available for our use and pleasure. Unless your boss pays you cash and you pay cash for EVERYTHING, you should understand the benefits of streaming and downloading. But, I guess there are some people who only use cash or barter who cast dispersions on those who are in bed with the evil international banking system. And yet, everyone loves the CASH! Everyone prefers cash over getting a check, money order, credit card, whatever. Sometimes a seller will even save you the tax if you pay in cash. Deli owners tend to frown when you use a credit card to pay, and often have a note posted saying: "Credit Cards Accepted For Purchases Over $10 ONLY"! But while I'm indulging you here, this really has nothing whatsoever to do with the music medium factor. I realize you tried it as an analogy, but I think it's a poor one. I anticipated the "we used to listen on transistor radios" argument, which usually comes next as surely as the sun rising in the morning. I can relate as well, because I too fell in love with music by usually first hearing a new song on a transistor radio. However, the next step was to upgrade to buying it on A RECORD, to physically own it -- and playing it on equipment that was at least above a little radio (even if it was a basic phonograph). From what I am gathering, these days people are just "buying" it to play over on their phones, ear buds, or some other such trivial device. Seems like a step back to me, and I thought so many were in favor of progression. Who's hiding? Yes, I do believe that listening to Records, CDs, etc, is better than the method of streaming music to a phone. I did not say anything specifically about "digital" like you said here, though ... I am also a fan of CDs, and they're digital. I prefer Analog, but both are much better than streaming to your phone. Yes, I think my way is superior -- but that's only an opinion of mine (and my "peeps") ... so what's the problem? I am self-satisfied. That it's closer to 'organic' than streaming through a phone is, at least.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 28, 2015 8:44:47 GMT -5
By the way Joe I truly love your passionate and optimistic view of the future of music where we can all have vinyl, CD, or whatever it is we want. Who knows with these 3D printers you may well be able to create your own vinyl records, covers and album notes for pennies one day? Of course the second hand vinyl record market is enhanced because of the internet as well. So maybe we really can have it all? We sure can have it all. Look at this guy, for example, whose hobby is collecting old cylinders and 78rpm records, some of them from 1900 - 1920. That stuff ended AGES ago as far as new releases are concerned, yet this format is his #1 interest and he still engages with it..
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 28, 2015 8:50:18 GMT -5
I'm also wondering why vinyl is having a resurgence, music shops like JB HIFI have floor space dedicated to vinyl, something i haven't seen since cd's took off big time. There must be more to it than vinyl records make good frisbees. You sure you don't know because you were once hit in the head by one of those Frisbees?
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 28, 2015 12:49:43 GMT -5
What do you have it "on"? A cloud in space somewhere? Is it a physical medium that will always be physically there for you to tangibly "have'? Debit cards and checks are the monetary equivalent of streaming and ITunes - not tangible things, but available for our use and pleasure. Unless your boss pays you cash and you pay cash for EVERYTHING, you should understand the benefits of streaming and downloading. But, I guess there are some people who only use cash or barter who cast dispersions on those who are in bed with the evil international banking system. As for the sound, I really do appreciate the value of the purity of sound and the greatness of hearing everything on really good systems. However, ALL the music I fell in love with when I was a kid was heard on a tiny transistor radio. Sometimes this little radio was strapped to my bicycle steering wheel. This teeny, sometimes static-laden sound did not take away from my enjoyment. That is why I'm not so much of an audiophile. I don't think the fact that I don't really care too much about the sonic superiority of analog vs digital makes me any less "soul-less." I'm not saying my way of procuring music is better than the record store way. It's a preference of mine. It seems, though, you and your record store peeps have developed this little superiority conflict at the expense of those who are not like you. You threw the first salvo by labeling the digital world as being soul-less, and then smarmily saying "we know what it means." Yes, it means that you think your way is more superior. Let's face facts. The entire recording process from the recording studio to the living room is fake. There is nothing real about it. Nothing organic. Even the concert experience is fake, unless it is an acoustic instrument unmic'd. So don't be so self-satisfied about your music listening choices being pure. It's simply a preference of yours. No more, no less than any other way of hearing music. Don't you just love it when today somebody in a grocery store express line still whips out their checkbook and hand writes a check to pay for about $7.56 worth of groceries...meanwhile the line at the checkout grows to about 20 people waiting while it takes a good 5 minutes for the check to be written and processed by the cashier... Nothin' like doing it the old-fashioned way.....gives everyone standing in line a chance to chat and get to know each other.....
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 28, 2015 12:58:47 GMT -5
Don't you just love it when today somebody in a grocery store express line still whips out their checkbook and hand writes a check to pay for about $7.56 worth of groceries...meanwhile the line at the checkout grows to about 20 people waiting while it takes a good 5 minutes for the check to be written and processed by the cashier... Nothin' like doing it the old-fashioned way.....gives everyone standing in line a chance to chat and get to know each other..... I used to sort of resent the sidewalk Santas at that supermarket, ringing their bells for change. It's just that they started too early. It was right after Thanksgiving but the last few years, even sooner. When it got closer to Christmas, I would start emptying my pockets, giving up my change. This year, I barely saw them. People just don't carry cash anymore. It probably just wasn't worth the time for them to stand there and watch people walk by. On a different note, I remember being in line at the grocery one day and it was taking forever with one person holding up the line for one thing or another. A baby was in line, crying, really wailing his lungs out. People were looking at the mother like "Can't you shut that baby up". It was just making it all worse. I looked around at every one and said "I agree with the baby." We all just laughed.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 28, 2015 13:41:57 GMT -5
As for streaming, I'm not interested at all for the service for myself. I already have more music than I'll ever be able to listen to. I have it on my iPod so I am mobile with it. Yes, for those of us who already have tons of music in our physical or digital collections, we do not need streaming services to hear what we have. But, what about what we don't have? We now no longer need to buy anything - unless we are collectors or want to hear the warmth of vinyl or whatever. How many times have we listened to the radio and kept on changing the station until we got to something we wanted to hear. With streaming, we can now create or own station, but hear any song we want. (Again, I'm not talking about music we already have). Assuming these can be streamed, one could have in their own "station" the new Adele, Green Day, Dandy Warhols, Robert Plant, Avett Brothers, Anushka Sharma, Kylie Minogue, Rhianna, Neil Diamond, Paul Simon, Justin Timberlake . . . EVERY song available, more than any of us have in our collections, is at our fingertips. We can still buy what we want, but for that one-off song we heard in a movie or in a commercial, we can have it as "ours" in our steaming collection. This works for me. I'd never stream Beatles or solo-stuff, but there is a place for streaming in my life. Ah, you touched my heart, sayne, with that mention of The Avett Brothers! Stream their new live album, conveniently called "Live: Vol. 4." I don't want new Beatles fans, these current kids are obnoxious, undisciplined brats so imagine how bad they will be at Beatlefest, tribute band shows, etc.! These up-all-night, pill gulping, video game jockeys who have never been told the word "No" will be beastly to us older fans! A future scene at Fest For The Beatles: Some 19 year old punk who first heard The Beatles on streaming is behind me in line at the Flea Market. I buy the last of a coveted poster. This junked-up, rich , spoiled brat pulls out Mommy's $10,000.00 handgun and pops me for the poster! He wanted it NOW! No thank you, I don't need those kind of young Beatles fans around me! I thought the teens at the 1980's Beatlefests were bad enough when I was in my 20's and could still kick their asses!
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 28, 2015 17:02:28 GMT -5
Flea market? The real tough kids hang out at the mall.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Dec 28, 2015 21:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks,lowbasso (Mr. Langan)!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 29, 2015 11:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Dec 31, 2015 9:32:52 GMT -5
Here's a fun article. We certainly have been doing this all along, but now everyone else can do so quite easily. With people sharing their playlists, it becomes easier for newbies to find something they will like about the Beatles. The lists can go on and on: Songs recorded each month, songs to drive by, songs to put babies to sleep, songs with good lead guitar . . . www.vulture.com/2015/12/beatles-spotify-playlists-extravaganza.html
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Post by joeyself on Jan 4, 2016 14:48:18 GMT -5
We're probably going to discuss this on the next "Things We Said Today," but I'd like to get your opinions for a possible article. Do you think the streaming is a big deal or not? I'll hold my opinion until I hear from a few of you. I like it. I use Spotify now, used Rhapsody for over a decade until it changed the interface (I suspect it was done for smart phone users, but I didn't like it). Even though I have the physical product several times, and can rip those discs onto my MP3 player, with Spotify I can build a separate playlist of just Beatles if I want. And the day the debut occurred, my son and I had been talking about the Tibetan Book Of The Dead. Now, I know nothing about it--and really don't care, or I would by now--but I did know "Tomorrow Never Knows" was based on Timothy Leary's book based on it. I told Conor there was a Beatles song that used it as inspiration, and put it on Spotify for him. "Wow, that's good." He took the laptop into another room, and I heard him listening to "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and a couple of other songs he knew. He said he couldn't get them on YouTube--his primary listening source--because of licensing issues. He was glad the catalog was available to him--I mean, other than going to my closet and getting it, since he isn't living with me at this time. JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 4, 2016 17:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 4:07:08 GMT -5
I'm also wondering why vinyl is having a resurgence, music shops like JB HIFI have floor space dedicated to vinyl, something i haven't seen since cd's took off big time. There must be more to it than vinyl records make good frisbees. You sure you don't know because you were once hit in the head by one of those Frisbees? Not hit by one, but almost. I think it was one of John Lennon's weaker albums, someone was so disappointed with it they used it as a frisbee, not only couldn't it hit the charts, it couldn't hit a boof head.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 7, 2016 9:43:02 GMT -5
Now now fabfour, no need to drag John Lennon into your spirited debate with Mr. Karlosi!
BTW, no one has ever used a Rolling Stone album as a Frisbee!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 8, 2016 11:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by sayne on Jan 8, 2016 12:37:41 GMT -5
You beat me to the punch. Not really about the Beatles, but another example of how the Beatles are still part of our reference set.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 10, 2016 8:16:08 GMT -5
Now now fabfour, no need to drag John Lennon into your spirited debate with Mr. Karlosi! BTW, no one has ever used a Rolling Stone album as a Frisbee! But I'm sure they've used a few George Harrison LPs as Frisbees -- and I'm not just talking about the "experimental" ones, like with John.
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Post by debjorgo on Apr 9, 2016 13:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by stavros on Apr 9, 2016 15:54:05 GMT -5
I think Abbey Road, the White Album and Let it Be are the most popular because, despite them all getting close to being 50 years old, they have a contemporary sound to them. The psychedelic stuff from "Mystery Tour" and "Pepper" and everything before are perhaps more associated with a 1960s sound.
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Post by lenmac on Apr 23, 2016 0:09:10 GMT -5
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