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Post by stavros on Nov 17, 2017 19:02:43 GMT -5
What's Left that We Still Want to See or Hear?The release of the Christmas Records on 7" vinyl is a great collectors item for the hardcore Beatles fan this holiday season. Well for those with quality record players I guess. The big Beatles release of this year was of course the "Sgt. Pepper's.." 50th anniversary packages. In recent years we've also had the "1+" Video Collection and the Hollywood Bowl CD and Touring Years movies. Giles Martin has hinted that a "The Beatles (White Album) - 50th Anniversary" remix may be the next release. If that's the case then that is probably the Christmas 2018 release sewn up. It also opens up the possibility of "Abbey Road" and "Let it Be" receiving a similar treatment if that all comes to pass. Maybe we'll even get to see the cleaned up version of the LIB movie before its 50 year anniversary is out as well? It was done back in the 1990s but has never seen the light of day and we are .....still waiting. Perhaps, as we get closer to that 50th anniversary of the break up of the world's finest band, Paul and Ringo will even announce they are getting back together for a "2020 - Beatles 'Drum & Bass' Reunion"? But then there are other products still on the horizon that could be released from the solo archives. The McCartney Remasters project is standing still at present. Mcuh of George's unreleased material lies in the vaults after all these years. Yoko has almost milked the Lennon archives dry but I bet there is something still being kept back. As for Ringo, well he has the Thomas the Tank Engine royalties to fund his pension so he probably doesn't need any more money. So what would we all like to be released in the near future? Personally I hope that the 'White Album' is remixed and redone with a whole package of the Esher and any other linked demos. Maybe someone even found the tape of John singing 'Goodnight'?
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 18, 2017 14:39:38 GMT -5
Yes, I demand that we get a re-mixed White Album box set with extras not found on Anthology including all cleaned-up Esher demos and John singing "Goodnight" is a Holy Grail item.
But people, right now we have a brand new album by Ringo Starr called Give More Love that has caused no interest even on this Beatles Board and others. To me it is a crime when new Solo Beatles is completely ignored while we all talk about those stupid, junk vinyl Christmas Messages!
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Post by stavros on Nov 18, 2017 16:37:46 GMT -5
Yes Indeed JSD. Ringo's "Give More Love" keeps growing on me the more I hear it. A fine album that hardly anyone seems to have heard or indeed has much interest in wanting to hear. Poor Ringo. Even when he pulls together a gem like his new album it creates hardly any waves. However there are still other products that could be put out there that relate to the Beatles music as a band: - The White Album, Abbey Road and Let It Be Remix Packages
- Let it Be+ (the original film with lots of extras on DVD/Blu-ray)
- The Beatles Cartoons on DVD/Blu-Ray
- Shea Stadium in full restored glory on DVD and Blu-Ray
- Anthology More - Additional bits left off the original albums like "Carnival of Light", "Revolution", "Helter Skelter" etc....Although I am not personally sure that one would be a good commercial product.
- The Vegas "Love" show on DVD Blu-Ray
- Remixes of earlier albums "Eleanor Rigby" for instance sounds so much better on the Yellow Submarine songtrack.
Just out of interest as well there is a new book due out shortly called "Once There Was a Way" by Bryce Zabel. A piece of historical fiction of course about the Beatles working out a way to stay together as a band and how that affects the world and themselves into the 1970s and beyond.
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It's a sequel of sorts to a previous book he wrote called "Surrounded by Enemies" where JFK dodges the bullets in Dallas and lives to serve a second term. I've read that one. It wasn't really how I expected it go at all. But it sure was an interesting read. I don't know how this new book will be received. But I've put it on my list for Santa.
That all said.
This board is going through a very quiet patch and so I tried to drum up some interest and spark some debate with this post. But!!!!
I don't know if there is too much interest in this forum any more. Is it because the posts here are not particularly inspiring, interest in the Beatles is waning in general. or because other things have eaten into everyone's time these days?
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 18, 2017 18:10:30 GMT -5
It is a fine Thread Stavros and I really want a deluxe White Album and, of course, a re-issued LIB film cleaned up with a second "Director's Cut" or something with lots of extra footage.
This Board thrived upon its start in early November 2001 and for several years after but it was started by Steve a month or so after the September 11 terror attack on the U.S. when emotions were raw and many folks wanted a happy diversion that Beatles can provide and the Board had a great start. Then George Harrison passed away a few weeks after the Board was started and that really caused an explosion here that brought a lot of great people together.
Ultimately there were some major personality clashes on the first Board because Steve was so tied-up writing his Examiner columns that he couldn't stop by as much as he did(he was here every day) as he has to earn bread too for his family and a large portion of the original gang split and went away to other sites or Facebook and I am happy to still be in touch with many of that group but they won't come back because the potential still exists for personality clashes even though Steve and I(Steve asked that I be a moderator in July 2009) will and have stopped personal attacks and have banned the most egregious violators.
There are two sides to every story and those that left did not like heated debate even if not of a personal nature because they mainly reasoned this topic should be largely fun and peaceful and they prefer the "agree to disagree" endings as opposed to the continued arguments back and forth that go on yet change no minds.
Conversely, other people like that verbal sparring, it excites their competitive juices and stimulates their intellectual needs. Steve is an advocate of the free exchange of views as long as it does not break down into verbal assaults.
It came down to a difference in what folks were looking for: laid back, respectful discussions versus more intense verbal sparring.
I have thick skin and don't mind jumping from one arena to the other but always respectfully so, or I hope so.
Who knows, maybe we can get back our departed brothers and sisters, they are out there and thriving still talking Beatles and whatever else but in more tranquil settings.
And some of those who love vigorous debate, even intense, are out there and thriving and maybe we can all start over again and make it work again.
My fear is that the next Beatles death will cause a coming together here and there will be a flurry of activity. No one wants that but that is exactly what happened when George died, this place really, really took off from an already great start.
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Post by markc on Nov 18, 2017 20:52:47 GMT -5
A Let it Be Box set with the Glyn Johns Get Back as Disc 1, the Phil Let it Be as Disc 2, Let it Be ... Naked as Disc 3, a fourth disc of good, full out takes like All Things Must Pass, the Threetles' Peggy Sue Got Married. And Disc 5 would be the fully restored and expanded Let it Be film.
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Post by markc on Nov 18, 2017 20:56:08 GMT -5
A Beatles Acoustic similar to the Lennon Acoustic with a lot of Esher tapes, but others as well.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 18, 2017 21:02:26 GMT -5
A Let it Be Box set with the Glyn Johns Get Back as Disc 1, the Phil Let it Be as Disc 2, Let it Be ... Naked as Disc 3, a fourth disc of good, full out takes like All Things Must Pass, the Threetles' Peggy Sue Got Married. And Disc 5 would be the fully restored and expanded Let it Be film. Great LIB Box Set Mark! Can you go to London and get Apple to do it! I may be in the minority but I want that expanded LIB film Mark references but I still would like the original cut, editing flaws and all, re-issued but all cleaned up picture and sound-wise. I think historically it is important to preserve the original film. MikeV has had some great ideas on the expanded LIB film and I wish Apple would listen to him too!
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Post by kc on Nov 18, 2017 21:34:03 GMT -5
A Let it Be Box set with the Glyn Johns Get Back as Disc 1, the Phil Let it Be as Disc 2, Let it Be ... Naked as Disc 3, a fourth disc of good, full out takes like All Things Must Pass, the Threetles' Peggy Sue Got Married. And Disc 5 would be the fully restored and expanded Let it Be film. Great LIB Box Set Mark! Can you go to London and get Apple to do it! I may be in the minority but I want that expanded LIB film Mark references but I still would like the original cut, editing flaws and all, re-issued but all cleaned up picture and sound-wise. I think historically it is important to preserve the original film. MikeV has had some great ideas on the expanded LIB film and I wish Apple would listen to him too! A relevant question would be why Apple etc. doesn't listen to what knowledgeable fans want/suggest be released. Is it because what we come up with is not likely to be profitable? Or, is it a case of plain incompetence, or thinking they know better than the minions, on Apple etc.'s part? One would think that if the fans got what they wanted then that would translate into bigger sales.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 18, 2017 21:38:33 GMT -5
Of course The Beatles White Album is the most anticipated release because of Giles' little slip. (Please don't let him come back and say "No! You read too much into what I said!")
I'm not as interested in the Esher demos as I am with alt tracks/mixes. I've had versions of the Esher tapes going back to the Lost Lennon radio shows. I'd be much more interested in Let it Be as a deluxe release. There is just so much more material available from the sessions. I could listen to it as long as it lasts. And of course, the complete rooftop concert needs to be released bad. If I were Apple, I'd push to get it on a major network.
The CDs would have to have the Spector disc proper, maybe tweaked a little to everyone's tastes. I'd like the bonus tracks from the Glyn Johns' version and maybe a few tracks from Naked. And then about twenty discs of studio alt tracks.
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Post by coachbk on Nov 19, 2017 11:38:09 GMT -5
I've heard a couple GIVE MORE LOVE songs on sirius radio. Not bad, but nothing to make me want to go out and buy the album.
I'd like to see a WHITE ALBUM release that includes unreleased stuff, especially the Esher Demos, which I have on bootlegs.
LET IT BE is the one that still hasn't been done right. NAKED was right to include "Don't Let Me Down", but erred by dropping "Dig It" and "Maggie Mae" and the FLY ON THE WALL disc was very disappointing. There is a ton of officially unreleased stuff ("Suzie Parker", the long "Dig It", John singing "Get Back" to name a few) that should be on an extra disc and of course a DVD of the movie with extras is a must.
I hope it doesn't take a death to get this board hopping again!
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Post by RockoRoll on Nov 19, 2017 22:14:06 GMT -5
This board is going through a very quiet patch and so I tried to drum up some interest and spark some debate with this post. But!!!!
I don't know if there is too much interest in this forum any more. Is it because the posts here are not particularly inspiring, interest in the Beatles is waning in general. or because other things have eaten into everyone's time these days? This is one thing that's annoyed me in these last 4-5yrs here? You post something, and you get no replies, or no ones here for at least a week etc........We need fresh blood, new posties here?
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Post by markc on Nov 20, 2017 12:18:35 GMT -5
It's sad when interesting discussion devolves into "The Argument Sketch".
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Post by stavros on Nov 20, 2017 15:30:03 GMT -5
A Let it Be Box set with the Glyn Johns Get Back as Disc 1, the Phil Let it Be as Disc 2, Let it Be ... Naked as Disc 3, a fourth disc of good, full out takes like All Things Must Pass, the Threetles' Peggy Sue Got Married. And Disc 5 would be the fully restored and expanded Let it Be film. Oh that sounds like a great package. I'm greedy though. I want Disc 6 - a DVD/Blu-Ray of the whole rooftop concert along with other cuts not seen in the original movie. Perhaps even a new documentary featuring some of the outtakes. We did catch a few in Anthology. So they already have something in the can!! Roll on January 2019 or April 2020
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Post by markc on Nov 20, 2017 16:06:33 GMT -5
How about Anthology outtakes? I know we've talked about it before, but there must be some good video and audio of the 94-95 recording sessions.
More live performances than just Hollywood Bowl. Especially from 1966.
semi-live Revolution and Hey Jude on White Album box set as bonus tracks.
It's All Too Much without the Bach orchestration and extra noise.
You Really Got a Hold On Me from the Apple studio should be on CD with the Let it Be box set.
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Post by markc on Nov 20, 2017 16:14:19 GMT -5
A Let it Be Box set with the Glyn Johns Get Back as Disc 1, the Phil Let it Be as Disc 2, Let it Be ... Naked as Disc 3, a fourth disc of good, full out takes like All Things Must Pass, the Threetles' Peggy Sue Got Married. And Disc 5 would be the fully restored and expanded Let it Be film. Oh that sounds like a great package. I'm greedy though. I want Disc 6 - a DVD/Blu-Ray of the whole rooftop concert along with other cuts not seen in the original movie. Perhaps even a new documentary featuring some of the outtakes. We did catch a few in Anthology. So they already have something in the can!! Roll on January 2019 or April 2020 There are some gems on the Let it Be Boots that are good enough to clean up and release. The electric version of Two of Us House of the Rising Sun/I Me Mine I Threw it All Away/Mama You Been on my Mind Your True Love You Win Again Besame Mucho electric Across the Universe The problem with a lot of these is that they sound great for part of the time and one or more of the Fabs uses a silly voice or stops complete.
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Post by mikev on Nov 20, 2017 17:22:34 GMT -5
Oh that sounds like a great package. I'm greedy though. I want Disc 6 - a DVD/Blu-Ray of the whole rooftop concert along with other cuts not seen in the original movie. Perhaps even a new documentary featuring some of the outtakes. We did catch a few in Anthology. So they already have something in the can!! Roll on January 2019 or April 2020 There are some gems on the Let it Be Boots that are good enough to clean up and release. The electric version of Two of Us House of the Rising Sun/I Me Mine I Threw it All Away/Mama You Been on my Mind Your True Love You Win Again Besame Mucho electric Across the Universe The problem with a lot of these is that they sound great for part of the time and one or more of the Fabs uses a silly voice or stops complete. Look what someone went and did with the various Beatle and demo versions of ATMP link
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Post by mikev on Nov 20, 2017 17:32:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the shout out JSD! Indeed I am hoping that Giles is playing with his new demixer tools and the hours of mono nagra sessions. John singing I Lost My Little Girl, I've Got a Feeling and Black Dog blues (Cripple Inside pretty much), George with ATMP in various forms including a complete nagra take with Billy Preston, Paul singing on a couple of takes of I Want You and an early jam of John's I'm So Tired...Watching Raindows, Madman, Suzy Parker, Gone Gone Gone (complete Carl Perkins cover, etc. Keep in mind many of these are audio only. The film reels were not rolling all the time at Twickenhamm or Apple though the nagra tapes were.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 20, 2017 21:37:36 GMT -5
The whole LIB thing, from film to audio, could be an amazing multi CD/DVD/Blu-Ray Box if it includes all the stuff Members have suggested above.
I am so jaded though that Apple won't do that for maybe economical reasons but that is wrong thinking because we are Beatles Fans, hear us roar! We would buy it even if a few hundred bucks.
Hey, some of may get divorced because of it, some of us may alienate our kids over it by spending our money on Beatles instead of on them or their education but by God we would buy it!
Again, look at those Boxes Dylan is releasing in multiple CDs and they are selling briskly.
MikeV, just hop on a plane and go camp at Apple and get hired as a LIB consultant!
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Post by stavros on Nov 21, 2017 18:31:03 GMT -5
Trying to address a handful of the points raised so far ----------------------------------------------------
Let it Be Package
"Let it Be" has such a wealth of material to draw from that it surely has to be slated in for a 2019/2020 anniversary package in different formats. Some great ideas have already been put forward.
I am actually not a great fan of that drab and gloomy 1970 movie that was released as a sort of extinguished, smoking cigarette butt of the Beatles career. My own gut feeling is that the original 'Let it Be' was edited that way because the band had broken up as it was being processed for release. That's fine and for historical purposes should be preserved.
But I know there were happier moments of fun and genuine creativity during those tense 30 days. We should see and hear more of them and preferably a new documentary film called "Get Back". We fans want a premium package with everything. But a new regular price "Get Back" 2xCD with the original Glyn Johns mix and some out-takes would be a great introductory level purchase for the casual fans.
C'mon Apple stop being so f****** conservative and get with the 21st century.
Abbey Road Deluxe
I think the problem with Abbey Road is that it already sounds great and probably won't benefit too much from a remix. There is very little video available from the sessions to complement any anniversary package either. There are some interesting out-takes. Some featured on Anthology. I dare say you can make a decent 2CD package out of it. But I am not sure how much further value you can extract without really ripping hardcore fans off.
'The Beatles' Deluxe White Album
Giles had loose lips on this one. But if there is to be a 50th anniversary maxi-package then it has to be the real deal with 'Hey Jude' and 'Revolution' videos, film footage from India and the studio, Lost Lennon tracks, outtakes, Esher/Kinfauns demos, and contemporary interview clips from 1968.
The Beatles "Live" Album
It's sadly goona be lacking some of the late Beatles repertoire. But hell why not? There is so much to draw from again. And we can include the rooftop concert and Hey Jude/Revolution on that album can't we?
Shea Stadium
I suspect this one is already in the pipeline. The shots on the 1+ Blu-Ray were truly stunning and I wouldn't be surprised if we see it one day. Probably with a CD release too.
The Beatles "2" CD
Yes we've had '1' and it was mightily successful. This really isn't going to appeal to us hardcore fans. But instead of re-issuing compilations from the past (like the 62-66 and 67-70 albums) can't Apple think outside of that box. Even a double CD of the Beatles greatest tracks would be a fantastic introduction to the band for the young generations.
So c'mon Apple. Get with the 21st century. Relying on a bunch of pensioners for your marketing strategy is not going to work any more!
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Post by joeyself on Nov 21, 2017 20:33:26 GMT -5
It's sad when interesting discussion devolves into "The Argument Sketch". No, it isn't. JcS (who probably should have mulit-quoted your note and argued with each part of it, including things you didn't really say)
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Post by markc on Nov 21, 2017 22:24:48 GMT -5
It's sad when interesting discussion devolves into "The Argument Sketch". No, it isn't. JcS (who probably should have mulit-quoted your note and argued with each part of it, including things you didn't really say) You could just be arguing in your spare time.
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Post by debjorgo on Nov 27, 2017 20:02:27 GMT -5
Watching Ron Howard's Eight Day's a Week on PBS recently reminded me I want the complete Shea Stadium concert.
Pairing it with the Rooftop concert would make an awesome release.
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Post by sayne on Dec 5, 2017 21:12:47 GMT -5
If they exist, I'd like to hear all the jams George had at his house with Eric, Alvin Lee, the guys in Deep Purple, Gary Moore, Carl Perkins, Dave Edmonds, etc. Imagine the surprise if we could hear George actually shredding.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 6, 2017 10:59:56 GMT -5
If they exist, I'd like to hear all the jams George had at his house with Eric, Alvin Lee, the guys in Deep Purple, Gary Moore, Carl Perkins, Dave Edmonds, etc. Imagine the surprise if we could hear George actually shredding. Too bad the alleged guitar duel between George and Eric over Pattie(as Pattie alleges) wasn't recorded. Since Pattie left with Eric I take that the Parties agreed that Eric won.
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Post by markc on Dec 6, 2017 12:04:05 GMT -5
If they exist, I'd like to hear all the jams George had at his house with Eric, Alvin Lee, the guys in Deep Purple, Gary Moore, Carl Perkins, Dave Edmonds, etc. Imagine the surprise if we could hear George actually shredding. George does some nice soloing on the song Bluest Blues or something like that, with Alvin Lee. I think it's from the 90's. They also did I Want You (She's So Heavy).
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Post by kc on Dec 6, 2017 17:43:23 GMT -5
Trying to address a handful of the points raised so far ---------------------------------------------------- The Beatles "2" CD
Yes we've had '1' and it was mightily successful. This really isn't going to appeal to us hardcore fans. But instead of re-issuing compilations from the past (like the 62-66 and 67-70 albums) can't Apple think outside of that box. Even a double CD of the Beatles greatest tracks would be a fantastic introduction to the band for the young generations. So c'mon Apple. Get with the 21st century. Relying on a bunch of pensioners for your marketing strategy is not going to work any more! At least two possible concepts for 2CD Beatles’ compilation albums have been discussed on this board in years past. One was vectisfabber’s suggestion for an original UK singles set. Perhaps one disc of the A-sides and one of the B-sides could be the format? The other was my idea of a 2CD version of 1 that featured songs which had gone to number one in any country around the world, not just the UK or US. It would amount to something like 45 or so tracks.
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Post by sayne on Dec 9, 2017 7:20:56 GMT -5
If they exist, I'd like to hear all the jams George had at his house with Eric, Alvin Lee, the guys in Deep Purple, Gary Moore, Carl Perkins, Dave Edmonds, etc. Imagine the surprise if we could hear George actually shredding. George does some nice soloing on the song Bluest Blues or something like that, with Alvin Lee. I think it's from the 90's. They also did I Want You (She's So Heavy). Yes, but it's slide. Tasty, but not RAWK.
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Post by mikev on Dec 9, 2017 9:07:22 GMT -5
George does some nice soloing on the song Bluest Blues or something like that, with Alvin Lee. I think it's from the 90's. They also did I Want You (She's So Heavy). Yes, but it's slide. Tasty, but not RAWK. George could play great rockabilly licks, slide and recreate his leads when called upon. He actually played the Something lead in his 92 London concert and exchanged leads with Clapton on WMGGW at the Prnce's Trust. If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 9, 2017 9:50:31 GMT -5
... If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it. The solos on The End were pretty hard core shred. Wasn't some of the rift between George and Paul during the Threatles sessions over Paul telling George to not play slide; to play something more Beatle-ly?
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Post by sayne on Dec 9, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
Yes, but it's slide. Tasty, but not RAWK. George could play great rockabilly licks, slide and recreate his leads when called upon. He actually played the Something lead in his 92 London concert and exchanged leads with Clapton on WMGGW at the Prnce's Trust. If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it. Elvis Costello once said a rock is a hard, dirty, gnarly, cracked thing. Rock music should be, too. Yes, you are correct. George often plays wonderfully understated guitar. He plays like a gentleman. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not rock and roll. Let me put it indelicately. I wish George wudda played like a son-of-bitch sometime.
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