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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 17, 2009 20:52:59 GMT -5
What would happen if the mono and stereo masters were mixed together? Would it be killer to have left track, right track, and the mono filling the scope of the left to center to right pan or would it just be garbage or would there be no noticeable differences compared to the mono and/or stereo versions, respectively. Just curious, for I'm no audiophile. It might work?....But I'm no audio expert in regards to home made remixes/outfakes. This could be better addressed on Sulpy's 910 board or the Bootlegzone. Many there who do their own mixes/mashups who could answer that more precisely. Give it a shot! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by mikev on Sept 17, 2009 22:05:08 GMT -5
I think if you used good equipment for starters and synced perfectly-some stuff would probably sound cool as hell, other things will sound like mud.
One success-though not particularly what you are talking about is the Let it Be mix featuring both of George's leads. Whoever did it kept the stereo mix of the whole song intact and sharp.
I'm less of an audiophile than others here, but I mix down my original music-so I know a bit about panning, equalizing and mixing
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 18, 2009 5:19:47 GMT -5
Also, one of the nicest surprises are the mono mixes from the unreleased YS EP scheduled for early '69, on the Mono Masters set. Give 'em a listen soon: Only A Northern Song It's All Too Much Across the Universe Hey Bulldog All Together Now Yep, I played the MONO MASTERS next. Y'know, I was never that big a fan of IT'S ALL TOO MUCH, but I loved the way it sounded here. I like that in a lot of cases the vocals are more pronounced and clear as opposed to bbeing buried in the Stereo mixes. This was also the case with the song RAIN -- John's vocals really centered and clear. Another thing I noticed -- the MONO version of HEY JUDE seemed slightly longer on the fadeout to me. I thought I heard beats and things I never picked up on before. Maybe even the same thing for HEY BULLDOG.
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Post by wooltonian on Sept 18, 2009 5:40:32 GMT -5
This was also the case with the song RAIN -- John's vocals really centered and clear. I went a to BBQ once at someone's house a while ago. After listeneing to about three hours of Simply Red and The Beautiful South, I put myself in charge of the music and put on 'Rain' just to get the party started. Unfortunately, the guy had his speakers placed in different rooms, so you could only hear one half of the stereo. In the room in which we were all sitting the song had no vocals and sounded bliddy awful - like a really bad instumental. Everybody looked at me and said, 'What the hell's this??' Those crappy, useless stereo mixes!
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 18, 2009 7:51:29 GMT -5
This was also the case with the song RAIN -- John's vocals really centered and clear. I went a BBQ once at someone's house. After listeneing to about three hours of Simply Red and The Beautiful South, I put myself in charge of the music and put on 'Rain' just to get the party started. Unfortunately, the guy had his speakers placed in different rooms, so you could only hear one half of the stereo. In the room in which we were all sitting the song had no vocals and sounded bliddy awful - like a really bad instumental. Everybody looked at me and said, 'What the hell's this??' Those crappy, useless stereo mixes! LMAO, and that folks, was the end of Woolie's career as music director at Woolton social events. FWIW, woolie, at my once favorite tavern the owner, a friend and otherwise solid guy musically, had one speaker in the old bar room and the other speaker in the newer, back room. The same thing happened to me then when I played selections off Past Masters 2, the only Beatles' c.d. on his c.d. jukebox. Rather than take abuse from my fellow hoisters, I went on the offensive and asked owner/friend Tony: "Hey WTF!? Every Bar needs a decent sound system and sticking one speaker in one room and the other in another blows!" He understood and mumbled something about costs, bought me one on the House and I was pacified moving on to the subject of spouses.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 18, 2009 7:54:32 GMT -5
I'm less of an audiophile than others here, but I mix down my original music-so I know a bit about panning, equalizing and mixing LOL, which makes you, Mike, more of an audiophile than most(maybe not all) of us here!
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Post by revolver66 on Sept 18, 2009 12:44:10 GMT -5
I went a BBQ once at someone's house. After listeneing to about three hours of Simply Red and The Beautiful South, I put myself in charge of the music and put on 'Rain' just to get the party started. Unfortunately, the guy had his speakers placed in different rooms, so you could only hear one half of the stereo. In the room in which we were all sitting the song had no vocals and sounded bliddy awful - like a really bad instumental. Everybody looked at me and said, 'What the hell's this??' Those crappy, useless stereo mixes! LMAO, and that folks, was the end of Woolie's career as music director at Woolton social events. FWIW, woolie, at my once favorite tavern the owner, a friend and otherwise solid guy musically, had one speaker in the old bar room and the other speaker in the newer, back room. The same thing happened to me then when I played selections off Past Masters 2, the only Beatles' c.d. on his c.d. jukebox. Rather than take abuse from my fellow hoisters, I went on the offensive and asked owner/friend Tony: "Hey WTF!? Every Bar needs a decent sound system and sticking one speaker in one room and the other in another blows!" He understood and mumbled something about costs, bought me one on the House and I was pacified moving on to the subject of spouses. Cool Story. A Bar I used to go to alot had Let It Be in the Jukebox. Well one night I decided to play the Whole CD. All was good with no complaints. In walks a Couple and I could tell the guy was a bit tipsy. Well he sits down orders a beer and then notices the music. He was saying outloud..Fn' Great Song(It Was I Dig A Pony). Then track after track followed and this guy was getting ecstatic!! He was like who played this? I was sitting near him and said I did. He came over patted me on the back and High Fived Me. He said he Loved The Beatles and Let It Be was one of his favorites. When It got to Get Back I made an exit for the door..He looked like he was getting in a Hugging Mood. ;D
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Post by wolfsblood on Sept 18, 2009 19:49:30 GMT -5
Another thing I like is the red apple they put on the Let It Be sleeve. It's gotta be the red apple on Let It Be! Thanks for the info about the mono set Revolver66. I had no idea they had different packaging for the discs. That's cool.
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Post by revolver66 on Sept 21, 2009 10:06:20 GMT -5
Another thing I like is the red apple they put on the Let It Be sleeve. It's gotta be the red apple on Let It Be! Thanks for the info about the mono set Revolver66. I had no idea they had different packaging for the discs. That's cool. They should have used the Red Apple on the Remaster. Maybe it wasn't used in the UK?? I'm not sure.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 21, 2009 10:16:26 GMT -5
LMAO, and that folks, was the end of Woolie's career as music director at Woolton social events. FWIW, woolie, at my once favorite tavern the owner, a friend and otherwise solid guy musically, had one speaker in the old bar room and the other speaker in the newer, back room. The same thing happened to me then when I played selections off Past Masters 2, the only Beatles' c.d. on his c.d. jukebox. Rather than take abuse from my fellow hoisters, I went on the offensive and asked owner/friend Tony: "Hey WTF!? Every Bar needs a decent sound system and sticking one speaker in one room and the other in another blows!" He understood and mumbled something about costs, bought me one on the House and I was pacified moving on to the subject of spouses. Cool Story. A Bar I used to go to alot had Let It Be in the Jukebox. Well one night I decided to play the Whole CD. All was good with no complaints. In walks a Couple and I could tell the guy was a bit tipsy. Well he sits down orders a beer and then notices the music. He was saying outloud..Fn' Great Song(It Was I Dig A Pony). Then track after track followed and this guy was getting ecstatic!! He was like who played this? I was sitting near him and said I did. He came over patted me on the back and High Fived Me. He said he Loved The Beatles and Let It Be was one of his favorites. When It got to Get Back I made an exit for the door..He looked like he was getting in a Hugging Mood. ;D LOL! As much as I love The Beatles, drunk guys in hugging moods over the music chase me away too(and I always try to remember that myself when the shoe is on the other foot!). The Bungalow, a local roadhouse, unbelievably had John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band on the c.d. jukebox. It turns out one of the bartenders, also a local musician, loved "Working Class Hero." Well, he wasn't in the night I played the whole album and man did that go over like a lead balloon! I thought that I was going to get pummeled by the pool players. There was no hugging or high-fiving for about 40+ minutes.
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Post by cheerdown67 on Sept 21, 2009 19:30:29 GMT -5
I have heard both the mono, which sounds muddy to me and not much of an improvement in terms of sound-now the stereo box is it for me-even with the extreme seperations in mixes-the sound is richer and more detailed to me...mono was more of a chore to listen to whilst the stereo-well, I can't remember enjoying a box set more than this one.....so I am happy with just the stereo box although as a collector i sprung for both.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 22, 2009 8:18:29 GMT -5
I have heard both the mono, which sounds muddy to me and not much of an improvement in terms of sound-now the stereo box is it for me-even with the extreme seperations in mixes-the sound is richer and more detailed to me...mono was more of a chore to listen to whilst the stereo-well, I can't remember enjoying a box set more than this one.....so I am happy with just the stereo box although as a collector i sprung for both. For me, since the stereo seperation is extreme on PPL and WTHB. I prefer the kick-ass mono for the first two albums. After that, starting with AHDN they started to use 4 track stereo and it the stereo mixes overall, are more palatable. Though for Pepper and the White Album I'll take the mono over the stereo hands down. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by gripweed on Sept 22, 2009 14:32:35 GMT -5
Cool Story. A Bar I used to go to alot had Let It Be in the Jukebox. Well one night I decided to play the Whole CD. All was good with no complaints. In walks a Couple and I could tell the guy was a bit tipsy. Well he sits down orders a beer and then notices the music. He was saying outloud..Fn' Great Song(It Was I Dig A Pony). Then track after track followed and this guy was getting ecstatic!! He was like who played this? I was sitting near him and said I did. He came over patted me on the back and High Fived Me. He said he Loved The Beatles and Let It Be was one of his favorites. When It got to Get Back I made an exit for the door..He looked like he was getting in a Hugging Mood. ;D LOL! As much as I love The Beatles, drunk guys in hugging moods over the music chase me away too(and I always try to remember that myself when the shoe is on the other foot!). The Bungalow, a local roadhouse, unbelievably had John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band on the c.d. jukebox. It turns out one of the bartenders, also a local musician, loved "Working Class Hero." Well, he wasn't in the night I played the whole album and man did that go over like a lead balloon! I thought that I was going to get pummeled by the pool players. There was no hugging or high-fiving for about 40+ minutes. POB definitely isn't a party album.
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Post by gripweed on Sept 22, 2009 14:36:09 GMT -5
I have heard both the mono, which sounds muddy to me and not much of an improvement in terms of sound-now the stereo box is it for me-even with the extreme seperations in mixes-the sound is richer and more detailed to me...mono was more of a chore to listen to whilst the stereo-well, I can't remember enjoying a box set more than this one.....so I am happy with just the stereo box although as a collector i sprung for both. For me, since the stereo seperation is extreme on PPL and WTHB. I prefer the kick-ass mono for the first two albums. After that, starting with AHDN they started to use 4 track stereo and it the stereo mixes overall, are more palatable. Though for Pepper and the White Album I'll take the mono over the stereo hands down. Regards, Beatle Bob AHDN is fabulous in stereo. It doesn't have all that compression of filling up all the tracks then moving it all to one track to free up more tracks like on Pepper. Sounds better to me than Revolver. I quite enjoy the White Album's stereo. Haven't heard the mono yet, so lookng forward to that based on what you've said.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 22, 2009 14:49:48 GMT -5
LOL! As much as I love The Beatles, drunk guys in hugging moods over the music chase me away too(and I always try to remember that myself when the shoe is on the other foot!). The Bungalow, a local roadhouse, unbelievably had John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band on the c.d. jukebox. It turns out one of the bartenders, also a local musician, loved "Working Class Hero." Well, he wasn't in the night I played the whole album and man did that go over like a lead balloon! I thought that I was going to get pummeled by the pool players. There was no hugging or high-fiving for about 40+ minutes. POB definitely isn't a party album. This roadhouse I was at is seedy and rough. There are people there at their wit's end. I went to this bar when my then fiance broke off our engagement and I wanted to soak up the atmosphere of a depressing place. Misery loves company. I know what you mean by a party album but I was not looking for that. I actually thought that the nitty gritty emotional pain and self-realization of POB might strike a chord with the folks there who were escaping from many of their own demons. "Working Class Hero" always went over well there when the bartender played it. "I Found Out" is a great uptempo rocker that fit in as I would play that by itself. But I think "Mother" just freaked the whole place out right off the bat. They didn't want to know, they just wanted to get stoned or drunk. I haven't been in that place though for ten years.
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Post by gripweed on Sept 22, 2009 19:23:47 GMT -5
POB definitely isn't a party album. This roadhouse I was at is seedy and rough. There are people there at their wit's end. I went to this bar when my then fiance broke off our engagement and I wanted to soak up the atmosphere of a depressing place. Misery loves company. I know what you mean by a party album but I was not looking for that. I actually thought that the nitty gritty emotional pain and self-realization of POB might strike a chord with the folks there who were escaping from many of their own demons. "Working Class Hero" always went over well there when the bartender played it. "I Found Out" is a great uptempo rocker that fit in as I would play that by itself. But I think "Mother" just freaked the whole place out right off the bat. They didn't want to know, they just wanted to get stoned or drunk. I haven't been in that place though for ten years. Ahhh, thanks for putting it in context. I thought the wife just let you out of the house.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 22, 2009 23:34:51 GMT -5
Tonight I was able to play the 2009 stereo remasters of Please Please Me and Rubber Soul.
PPM has never sounded crisper or more intimate. I got a taste of what "could be" with the Capitol reissues of a few years ago(Early Beatles) but to have all of PPM sound so good was thrilling. I might actually play it more now.
I was estatic over the 1965 stereo mix of Rubber Soul found on the remastered mono RS but I really enjoyed tonight the 1987 George Martin stereo mix as found on the 2009 stereo remaster. It sounds so much fuller than the 1987 c.d., the latter sounding so hollow to me in places.
I am very impressed and can't wait to continue through the catalog.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 23, 2009 5:52:12 GMT -5
Another thing I like is the red apple they put on the Let It Be sleeve. It's gotta be the red apple on Let It Be! Thanks for the info about the mono set Revolver66. I had no idea they had different packaging for the discs. That's cool. They should have used the Red Apple on the Remaster. Maybe it wasn't used in the UK?? I'm not sure. No, the UK LIB vinyl album as included in the PXS1 box with the book had the conventional green/white apples on the labels.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 23, 2009 8:43:31 GMT -5
Tonight I was able to play the 2009 stereo remasters of Please Please Me and Rubber Soul. PPM has never sounded crisper or more intimate. I got a taste of what "could be" with the Capitol reissues of a few years ago( Early Beatles) but to have all of PPM sound so good was thrilling. I might actually play it more now. I was estatic over the 1965 stereo mix of Rubber Soul found on the remastered mono RS but I really enjoyed tonight the 1987 George Martin stereo mix as found on the 2009 stereo remaster. It sounds so much fuller than the 1987 c.d., the latter sounding so hollow to me in places. I am very impressed and can't wait to continue through the catalog. In retrospect, I'm thankful Martin remixed Help and Rubber Soul in '87 as these original '65 mixes are very wide. Being these were 4 track recordings, he was able to narrow the mix and give it more body. I think it was smart. Too bad Please Please Me and With The Beatles he couldn't do the same thing - as those stereo masters were 2 track recordings. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 23, 2009 11:09:47 GMT -5
Tonight I was able to play the 2009 stereo remasters of Please Please Me and Rubber Soul. PPM has never sounded crisper or more intimate. I got a taste of what "could be" with the Capitol reissues of a few years ago( Early Beatles) but to have all of PPM sound so good was thrilling. I might actually play it more now. I was estatic over the 1965 stereo mix of Rubber Soul found on the remastered mono RS but I really enjoyed tonight the 1987 George Martin stereo mix as found on the 2009 stereo remaster. It sounds so much fuller than the 1987 c.d., the latter sounding so hollow to me in places. I am very impressed and can't wait to continue through the catalog. In retrospect, I'm thankful Martin remixed Help and Rubber Soul in '87 as these original '65 mixes are very wide. Being these were 4 track recordings, he was able to narrow the mix and give it more body. I think it was smart. Too bad Please Please Me and With The Beatles he couldn't do the same thing - as those stereo masters were 2 track recordings. Regards, Beatle Bob That is a good description you gave, BB, of what Martin did for RS in 1987: ...."he was able to narrow the mix and give it more body..." For some reason though, it sounds hollow to me on the 1987 c.d. but it works great now on the 2009 remaster. Don't get me wrong, RS wasn't terrible re the 1987 discs but things like "Nowhere Man" and "Norwegian Wood" had echoes or something, just "hollow" is the word I come back to. Now I have two decent stereo versions of RS so I am happy! The mono of RS didn't do anything for me like the mono Pepper did.
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Post by Cosmos on Sept 23, 2009 14:59:20 GMT -5
I've done the Mono Pepper twice now and it truly is astounding. Whooda thunk? My preconception assumed that the Stereo mastering would be the optimum for all of the psychedelic hoopla; but it worked out that the Stereo just doesn't compare somehow to the overall "presence" that was achieved in Mono. I also much prefer "She's Leaving Home" at it's original recorded speed.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 24, 2009 12:12:15 GMT -5
I played the 2009 stereo remaster of AHDN last night to mostly high reviews. On the title song, what in the world is making that racket in the left channel? I think that it is Ringo bashing a cymbal all the way through. I hear the same in the left channel on "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You." It is not very crisp and rather muddy; that's what held my attention hostage on my long awaited first listen to the stereo AHDN title song(not part of the earlier Capitol series on c.d.). On second listen to the song AHDN, I could finally focus on something other than the cymbal or whatever it is. "I Should Have Known Better" was not as crisp as I had hoped but still good. "If I Fell" was good as remastered but again it took two listens to really appreciate it and it was still not as sharp or crisp as hoped. Which version on what album has John's single tracked voice at the beginning( Something New?). This is double-tracked at the intro as I guess it should be. "Tell Me Why" is still a trainwreck but now it is a crystal clear trainwreck: wrack my brain. "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You" was okay except for the cymbal going mad in the left channel. Slightly disappointed in "And I Love Her." I thought that this one would be crystal clear, a shining example of the magic of remastering and it is still better than before but I wanted Paul in my lap on this one. "Can't Buy Me Love" was good, again a little disappointed that George's lead guitar solo didn't knock me to the ground hard from exploding out of my speaker. I wanted to be hurt there! The good news is that I thought Side 2 was outstanding! I am a Side 2 kind of AHDN fan anyway. Someone here wrote, and I 100% agree, that "I'll Cry Instead" explodes out of the speakers. I feel John's moptop anger and hurt here for the first time. "I'll Be Back" is great as is "You Can't Do That" which allows me to smell John's beery breath! "Things We Said Today" makes up sonically for "And I Love Her." My only slight, and very slight, regret is that "Any Time At All" is not a little sharper. That is one of my favorites and I think that it might be a little better on the Capitol box set or even on the old 1976 comp Rock And Roll Music. Still great here and light years better than the 1987 mono version but I wanted it God-like. I'll settle for presidential. Again, major improvements from the 1987 mono only version. I was overall very happy with it but please assure me that my title song AHDN is not defective and that is a cymbal dominating the left channel. I almost forgot, the cowbell played on many tracks here was not as pronounced as I would have liked. Let's hope the re-mixed version fixes that, when and if!
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 24, 2009 12:50:17 GMT -5
Nice album review sir! Yeah, I noticed on the song AHDN the cymbals! They were always there, but now things like that and handclaps and tambourines are pronounced and stand out. I had trouble NOT focusing on these things at first. For all the stereo albums, the high end is so crystal clear. Mids are defined and the bottom end just knocks you out of your seat with bass frequences I don't think my 30 year old speakers ever contended with. And doesn't Ringos' drums just bash and drive the songs like never before? Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 24, 2009 13:06:35 GMT -5
"Tell Me Why" is still a trainwreck but now it is a crystal clear trainwreck: wrack my brain. TELL ME WHY is one of my favorites. What happened, did you forget to bash WHEN I GET HOME (another underrated song with a powerful John vocal that I like)?
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Post by wolfsblood on Sept 24, 2009 21:35:26 GMT -5
They should have used the Red Apple on the Remaster. Maybe it wasn't used in the UK?? I'm not sure. No, the UK LIB vinyl album as included in the PXS1 box with the book had the conventional green/white apples on the labels. I did hope to see a red apple on the Let It Be disc but I guess you can't have everything. In the U.S. many of the releases around 1970-75 had different color apples. All Things Must Pass had orange apples, Plastic Ono Band had white. I believe one of Ringo's early albums had a blue apple. I've seen copies of Ringo's Blast From Your Past with red apples on both sides. Did they issue any of these off-color apples in the U.K.? Another thing I like about the remasters: they recreated the White Album poster as it was in the vinyl version. The packaging on these discs alone makes them worth the money. But the sound is great too. Let It Be rocks so great. I've Got A Feeling has never sounded so killer.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 24, 2009 23:08:47 GMT -5
"Tell Me Why" is still a trainwreck but now it is a crystal clear trainwreck: wrack my brain. TELL ME WHY is one of my favorites. What happened, did you forget to bash WHEN I GET HOME (another underrated song with a powerful John vocal that I like)? I did forget to mention "When I Get Home" and that really sounds good as remastered. The chugging guitars stand out as well as John's desperate vocal. It is not my favorite but this remastered version increases my enjoyment of the song.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 25, 2009 12:47:54 GMT -5
No, the UK LIB vinyl album as included in the PXS1 box with the book had the conventional green/white apples on the labels. I did hope to see a red apple on the Let It Be disc but I guess you can't have everything. In the U.S. many of the releases around 1970-75 had different color apples. All Things Must Pass had orange apples, Plastic Ono Band had white. I believe one of Ringo's early albums had a blue apple. I've seen copies of Ringo's Blast From Your Past with red apples on both sides. Did they issue any of these off-color apples in the U.K.? Another thing I like about the remasters: they recreated the White Album poster as it was in the vinyl version. The packaging on these discs alone makes them worth the money. But the sound is great too. Let It Be rocks so great. I've Got A Feeling has never sounded so killer. The back of the LIB digipak has the "red apple" there. The bonus DVD in the stereo box set has the "red apple" on it. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by nine on Sept 26, 2009 21:34:20 GMT -5
No, the UK LIB vinyl album as included in the PXS1 box with the book had the conventional green/white apples on the labels. I did hope to see a red apple on the Let It Be disc but I guess you can't have everything. In the U.S. many of the releases around 1970-75 had different color apples. All Things Must Pass had orange apples, Plastic Ono Band had white. I believe one of Ringo's early albums had a blue apple. I've seen copies of Ringo's Blast From Your Past with red apples on both sides. I read once but can't recall where that when Apple was just starting up each Beatle had a different idea of what colour the Apple would be. John, white, Ringo, blue and George, orange...
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Post by nine on Sept 26, 2009 21:40:16 GMT -5
"Tell Me Why" is still a trainwreck but now it is a crystal clear trainwreck: wrack my brain. TELL ME WHY is one of my favorites. What happened, did you forget to bash WHEN I GET HOME (another underrated song with a powerful John vocal that I like)? Tell Me Why is great fun. I love the falsetto bit where they're all singing like chipmunks.
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Post by cheerdown67 on Sept 26, 2009 23:17:28 GMT -5
I don't know about the mono-I think if I had to absolutely choose-stereo is still my preference. I read an interesting review where the reviewer noticed a sort of holier than thou attitude among those who espouse the mono remasters-because it seems cool and it is, they say, rightfully the way the Beatles intended; however, the mono mixes were also intended to be heard on AM radio and teenage record players with one speaker; how much improvement can one truly expect...I was not blown away by the listening experience-whether headphones or rack system speakers---there is more ambience in the stereo remasters-even with the extreme seperation of left and right channels. Like many, I do hope for stereo remixes of these classic albums- i loved Yellow Submarine Songtrack...The mono may offer some slight intereresting variations such as noted in "She's Leaving Home" and portions of the White album; but the mixes still sound flat and even, dare i say, slightly muddy. I cannot tell much difference between the first two albums in mono -both 1987 and remastered versions; but I do hear a vast improvement in the stereo remaster and this is merely my opinion. I am 42 years old and my hearing is not the same as when i was 20.... For me the stereo box is also the complete picture, having all the albums, all the way to Abbey Road & Let IT Be-so it still would be my desert island box set of choice over the mono in almost every way, not to mention cheaper as well.
Don't get me wrong, the mono box is a treasure trove for comparison; but it has been more of a chore for me...everytime I listen to mono, I try to get through it so i can listen to the stereo versions i prefer....and enjoy.
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