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Post by gripweed on Sept 11, 2009 11:15:31 GMT -5
There are only three things wrong with these remasters: 1) cowbells 2) tambourines 3) maracas They are so clear and noticeable, that they drive me nuts! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob The only problem with these remasters as I hear it is that we gotta have more cowbell.
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Post by mikev on Sept 11, 2009 11:52:45 GMT -5
There are only three things wrong with these remasters: 1) cowbells 2) tambourines 3) maracas They are so clear and noticeable, that they drive me nuts! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob You just offended Davy Jones, the little Partridge girl and Veronica...
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 11, 2009 12:23:43 GMT -5
There are only three things wrong with these remasters: 1) cowbells 2) tambourines 3) maracas They are so clear and noticeable, that they drive me nuts! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob You just offended Davy Jones, the little Partridge girl and Veronica... LOL! I think that I offended Davy Jones! ;D I do have great respect for Tracy Partridge's innovative tamborine playing. I remember reading back in the day that around the time of Red Rose Speedway she gave Linda McCartney some lessons. Professional courtesy.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 11, 2009 13:13:20 GMT -5
There are only three things wrong with these remasters: 1) cowbells 2) tambourines 3) maracas They are so clear and noticeable, that they drive me nuts! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob The only problem with these remasters as I hear it is that we gotta have more cowbell. Exactly! LOL Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by mikev on Sept 11, 2009 17:17:36 GMT -5
You just offended Davy Jones, the little Partridge girl and Veronica... LOL! I think that I offended Davy Jones! ;D I do have great respect for Tracy Partridge's innovative tamborine playing. I remember reading back in the day that around the time of Red Rose Speedway she gave Linda McCartney some lessons. Professional courtesy. Shoot-I forgot about Tracy Partridge's earth shattering solo LP from 1975 "Tamborina". Side "A" was 17 minutes of a tamborine interpretation of "Green Tamborine" and Side "B" was 17 and a half minute epic interpretation of "Mr. Tamborine Man" by Tracy with a couple of guest tamb taps by Davy Jones. Many nights in the dorm in the late seventies eating munchies all fried out blasting that classic.
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Post by fabdba on Sept 12, 2009 10:58:37 GMT -5
So, kick me to another thread if I'm in the wrong place, or maybe there should be a new thread, for doing some comparisons...
I was wondering if the remastered Revolver would have the Eleanor Rigby double-tracking "mistake" intact, and it does.
Do you think they should have substituted the "fixed" version from Yellow Submarine 1996? The fix in YS 1996 makes that release of Eleanor Rigby my "release of choice" (for Eleanor Rigby.)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 12, 2009 11:02:34 GMT -5
I was wondering if the remastered Revolver would have the Eleanor Rigby double-tracking "mistake" intact, and it does. Do you think they should have substituted the "fixed" version from Yellow Submarine 1996? The fix in YS 1996 makes that release of Eleanor Rigby my "release of choice" (for Eleanor Rigby.) Yeah, I hate that "mistake". I much prefer the way it sounds on the YELLOW SUBMARINE remix. But I wonder if it's a matter of keeping it as it is on REVOLVER, just to keep things "authentic"?
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Post by fabdba on Sept 12, 2009 11:14:29 GMT -5
Do you know if it's the same take? If it is, then the YS version is also "authentic" right?
I suppose there would have been a heck of a backlash if they had fixed it on Revolver though.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 12, 2009 11:22:12 GMT -5
So, kick me to another thread if I'm in the wrong place, or maybe there should be a new thread, for doing some comparisons... I was wondering if the remastered Revolver would have the Eleanor Rigby double-tracking "mistake" intact, and it does. Do you think they should have substituted the "fixed" version from Yellow Submarine 1996? The fix in YS 1996 makes that release of Eleanor Rigby my "release of choice" (for Eleanor Rigby.) I have no problem with starting new threads to expand discussions on the remasters. If it's just a minor thing, and if there's a thread about that album already, though, keep it in there. Just do us all a favor and keep any new threads in the remasters category.
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Post by theman on Sept 12, 2009 14:41:04 GMT -5
Color me a skeptic, but I'm just a little suspicious of the Apple hype machine right now. So, while I have not bought the box sets (yet), I decided to buy Abbey Road today and see how it sounded. So, after one listen, while I felt like some songs popped out at me a little more than past listenings to the album, I just can't see spending this kinda money, at this time of great "belt tightening, to buy the whole box set (much less both stereo and mono).
Now, if the albums had been remixed, like Yellow Submarine Songtrack, I might be singing a different tune.
As far as full disclosure goes, right now I'm living in two separate cities due to a new job. At my apartment in city #2, I only have a Sony stereo boom box. That could account for the lack of any "revelatory" sound experience for me. But, buying an expensive additional sound system is not on my short list at this time.
One other question that I'm guessing has been discussed before, but that I missed. Weren't the Beatles Capitol Album sets remastered? Since I bought both of those, I'm thinking that it might just make sense to buy the new versions of Hard Days Night, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, MMT, White Album and Let it Be.
Thoughts?
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Post by fabdba on Sept 12, 2009 15:17:50 GMT -5
I listened to Abbey Road first also, and was initially underwhelmed too - but then I listened to Revolver and was pretty happy with that. And as mentioned somewhere here (this thread? another thread?) Magical Mystery Tour is much much better
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Post by Zander on Sept 12, 2009 15:46:17 GMT -5
Well, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to be a complete b*stard and say I bought the remastered Abbey Road and simply downloaded the complete Stereo Box. I cannot justify spending that money at the moment but I *promise* I will.
I've listened to Revolver, Pepper and Abbey Road and selected tracks. Definitely a vast improvement on the 80's CDs.
The tracks I've noticed the biggest differences are on Dear Prudence (that bass and guitar - wow!) and Magical Mystery Tour (the trumpets sound amazing). This is with like for like comparisons with the 80's sets, I'll have to listen some more now till I complete satisfied that it is the Stereo Box is a must have purchase.
Also agree with everything theman said - especially with regards to the remixing. That would be of more interest to me...
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 12, 2009 15:55:05 GMT -5
One other question that I'm guessing has been discussed before, but that I missed. Weren't the Beatles Capitol Album sets remastered? Since I bought both of those, I'm thinking that it might just make sense to buy the new versions of Hard Days Night, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, MMT, White Album and Let it Be. Thoughts? The Capitol Albums used 2nd generation tapes -- tape copies sent to the U.S. These new remasters are from the first generation master tape. For the Capitol albums, some songs ( but not many) are "Dexterized" (adding additional reverb) and there are one or two different mixes. Also, the eq is different for the US albums. Similar, but not quite the same. I hate to say it. You need 'em all Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by sayne on Sept 12, 2009 17:17:06 GMT -5
The Capitol Albums used 2nd generation tapes -- tape copies sent to the U.S. These new remasters are from the first generation master tape. For the Capitol albums, some songs ( but not many) are "Dexterized" (adding additional reverb) and there are one or two different mixes. Also, the eq is different for the US albums. Similar, but not quite the same. I hate to say it. You need 'em all Regards, Beatle Bob But, seriously, who's gonna say, "Hmm, I feel like a Capitol album today." Then, on another day, "I fancy a bit of a British remaster." I suspect when most of us feel like listening to a Beatles CD or song, we will grab what is there. I have original vinyl, CD, and downloaded versions of Beatles songs. I basically stick with my IPOD, just because it's easier - don't care which mix or mastering of a song comes up.
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Post by fabdba on Sept 12, 2009 17:48:05 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I care which version I listen to! But I over-analyze this stuff, absolutely. I spent 2 hrs last night and another hour or so today carefully playing old vs. new vs. Capitol to see what I liked best. Mostly these new remasters are winning out, but not always.
I can think of several tracks I just love on the Capitol sets (all US Stereo)
Help Money Kansas City (Rock and roll, what Paul does best!) I'm Looking Through You and many more
So far from the remasters, I like Magical Mystery Tour All of the AHDN album Taxman While My Guitar Gently Weeps Day Tripper
But I'm not done, I will be analyzing this stuff for days and days
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 12, 2009 17:49:29 GMT -5
The Capitol Albums used 2nd generation tapes -- tape copies sent to the U.S. These new remasters are from the first generation master tape. For the Capitol albums, some songs ( but not many) are "Dexterized" (adding additional reverb) and there are one or two different mixes. Also, the eq is different for the US albums. Similar, but not quite the same. I hate to say it. You need 'em all Regards, Beatle Bob But, seriously, who's gonna say, "Hmm, I feel like a Capitol album today." Then, on another day, "I fancy a bit of a British remaster." I suspect when most of us feel like listening to a Beatles CD or song, we will grab what is there. I have original vinyl, CD, and downloaded versions of Beatles songs. I basically stick with my IPOD, just because it's easier - don't care which mix or mastering of a song comes up. To tell you the truth, there are many like me who grew up on the Capitol Albums and can appreciate the different song order, ambience and feel (eq). Most never knew of the British albums differences until the 70's. I still find it somewhat uncomfortable hearing the British albums. To me they don't seem right as the Capitol albums are ingrained in my mind. I prefer MEET THE BEATLES, BEATLES SECOND ALBUM, and RUBBER SOUL each and every time over their counterparts. How can I listen to A HARD DAY'S NIGHT without those cool George Martin instrumentals? I just can't Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by sayne on Sept 12, 2009 18:28:10 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I care which version I listen to! But I over-analyze this stuff, absolutely. I spent 2 hrs last night and another hour or so today carefully playing old vs. new vs. Capitol to see what I liked best. Mostly these new remasters are winning out, but not always . . . But I'm not done, I will be analyzing this stuff for days and days I get the analysis thing. I appreciate it and have done it myself. But, I still contend that years from now, when the novelty wears off, those of us who have multiple versions of albums will not be making a habit of listening to different versions at different times. We will be settling in on one version. Let's check back in a year or two
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 12, 2009 19:26:22 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I care which version I listen to! But I over-analyze this stuff, absolutely. I spent 2 hrs last night and another hour or so today carefully playing old vs. new vs. Capitol to see what I liked best. Mostly these new remasters are winning out, but not always . . . But I'm not done, I will be analyzing this stuff for days and days I get the analysis thing. I appreciate it and have done it myself. But, I still contend that years from now, when the novelty wears off, those of us who have multiple versions of albums will not be making a habit of listening to different versions at different times. We will be settling in on one version. Let's check back in a year or two Boy, this sounds like you haven't been listening to the Beatles for very long? I've been a collector since 1980 and watched them live on Ed Sullivan in '64. I can not and will not ever get bored or tired of the variations and differences in the Beatles catalog. These are exciting things. If you can't get into it, then having the US or UK version will suffice. For me, it's not enough. Even in mono and stereo, there are mixing variations and alternate takes used in parts of some of the songs. Exciting stuff! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by sayne on Sept 12, 2009 20:00:27 GMT -5
. . . Boy, this sounds like you haven't been listening to the Beatles for very long? Yeah, I admit that I only got into the Beatles after I heard their version of an Aerosmith song called Come Together. When I heard them do Elton John's Lucy in the Sky With Diamond, I thought that they were a really good cover band. I did a little research, and now I know that they wrote a few songs themselves. My favorites are You Say Good-bye and I'll Say Hello and Love, Love, Love. I was quite surprised to hear the Paul McArtrey was in a band before he was in Wings. Can you tell me something? How did Ringo get his name? I woulda thought he'd be called "Skins" or something else drummy. Maybe "Sticko".
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 12, 2009 20:08:00 GMT -5
. . . Boy, this sounds like you haven't been listening to the Beatles for very long? Yeah, I admit that I only got into the Beatles after I heard their version of an Aerosmith song called Come Together. When I heard them do Elton John's Lucy in the Sky With Diamond, I thought that they were a really good cover band. I did a little research, and now I know that they wrote a few songs themselves. My favorites are You Say Good-bye and I'll Say Hello and Love, Love, Love. I was quite surprised to hear the Paul McArtrey was in a band before he was in Wings. Can you tell me something? How did Ringo get his name? I woulda thought he'd be called "Skins" or something else drummy. Maybe "Sticko". Oh geez. The sarcasm falls flat. Nice try though I still contend that years from now, when the novelty wears off So the Beatles have been a 40+years novelty? *LOL* Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by gripweed on Sept 12, 2009 20:56:20 GMT -5
One other question that I'm guessing has been discussed before, but that I missed. Weren't the Beatles Capitol Album sets remastered? Since I bought both of those, I'm thinking that it might just make sense to buy the new versions of Hard Days Night, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, MMT, White Album and Let it Be. Thoughts? The Capitol Albums used 2nd generation tapes -- tape copies sent to the U.S. These new remasters are from the first generation master tape. For the Capitol albums, some songs ( but not many) are "Dexterized" (adding additional reverb) and there are one or two different mixes. Also, the eq is different for the US albums. Similar, but not quite the same. I hate to say it. You need 'em all Regards, Beatle Bob I think some of the early songs benefited from Dexterization. They just sound fuller. Maybe I'll change my mind after I hear the new mono releases of PPM and WTB. I can't get used to not hearing all the reverb on I Feel Fine. One note. The new stereo of A Hard Days Night is fantastic. It's one of the best sounding CD's overall.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 12, 2009 21:10:27 GMT -5
The Capitol Albums used 2nd generation tapes -- tape copies sent to the U.S. These new remasters are from the first generation master tape. For the Capitol albums, some songs ( but not many) are "Dexterized" (adding additional reverb) and there are one or two different mixes. Also, the eq is different for the US albums. Similar, but not quite the same. I hate to say it. You need 'em all Regards, Beatle Bob I think some of the early songs benefited from Dexterization. They just sound fuller. Maybe I'll change my mind after I hear the new mono releases of PPM and WTB. I can't get used to not hearing all the reverb on I Feel Fine. One note. The new stereo of A Hard Days Night is fantastic. It's one of the best sounding CD's overall. It's the way we grew up on 'em and knew them. When I heard these again, a few years back - via Dr. Ebbetts releases, there was a familiarity and warmth that came back to me upon hearing these albums again after so many years. The UK catalog is great, but looses some of that "feeling" I have when hearing the Capitol versions! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by sayne on Sept 12, 2009 23:44:01 GMT -5
I still contend that years from now, when the novelty wears off So the Beatles have been a 40+years novelty? *LOL* Regards, Beatle Bob You just violated one of this board's rules!
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 13, 2009 5:33:27 GMT -5
I think Sayne's talking about the novelty of the new remasters. And I quite understand.
I would be very interested to hear how you would all quantify the degree of improvement in audio quality in percentage terms over the 87 CDs. Are they 10% better? 20%? Then factor in the extent to which that percentage is eroded by playing them on poor quality equipment to 57-year old ears which don't hear as well as they used to, and I suspect you are talking big bucks per perceived percentage improvement.
And I can't possibly justify that for albums which I have already purchased at least 3 times each before especially if I'm not getting anything new except some notes, photographs and some studio chat.
Because, sorry to tell you Beatle Bob, I don't NEED all of them at all. And I WAS in at the start (and I love the variations).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2009 6:39:50 GMT -5
But, seriously, who's gonna say, "Hmm, I feel like a Capitol album today." Then, on another day, "I fancy a bit of a British remaster." I suspect when most of us feel like listening to a Beatles CD or song, we will grab what is there. To tell you the truth, there are many like me who grew up on the Capitol Albums and can appreciate the different song order, ambience and feel (eq). Most never knew of the British albums differences until the 70's. I still find it somewhat uncomfortable hearing the British albums. To me they don't seem right as the Capitol albums are ingrained in my mind. I prefer MEET THE BEATLES, BEATLES SECOND ALBUM, and RUBBER SOUL each and every time over their counterparts. How can I listen to A HARD DAY'S NIGHT without those cool George Martin instrumentals? I just can't Regards, Beatle Bob I'm with you, Bob. I'm glad these long-hated Capitol LPs are getting some love again. And to sayne -- there most certainly ARE times where I say "I'm in a Capitol Mood" versus "Parlophone". There are definite differences - just beginning with the sequencing (and instrumentals on the U.S. HELP and AHDN)... plus the thunderous BEATLES' SECOND ALBUM which is still my personal choice as "The Greatest Album Ever". I've never been comfortable with the British albums either (we're talking pre-REVOLVER). The sound quality is better in many cases, but also kind of basic and "light". I still prefer I FEEL FINE and SHE'S A WOMAN off of BEATLES '65. Partly because I grew up with them, partly because they sound more rockin' and ballsy. Don't get me wrong; the first time I ever acquired a clean vinyl foreign import of those two songs and heard them "properly", I was happily floored; but something was still missing there for me, even today. And I still prefer the song order used in the U.S. Album releases, those singles which were not stranded but instead included on the albums themselves ("PAST MASTERS" my foot!!). Whether the Beatles intended them that way or not, albums like MEET THE BEATLES, BEATLES SECOND ALBUM, BEATLES 65, THE EARLY BEATLES, BEATLES VI and YESTERDAY AND TODAY are just damn good albums. The Beatles were brilliant in every way, but I think the marketing folks at Capitol Records knew more about best sequencing of songs, sorry. Look at it like this: Everyone now loves and accepts the MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR album that Capitol created, which has now become the "standard" on CD. It rescued all the appropriate 1967 singles and included them as part of the overall package. I like that approach far better than having just a 'British MMT EP', along with relegating SFF, PENNY LANE, HELLO GOODBYE, BABY YOURE A RICH MAN and ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE to the misfit pile on "PAST MASTERS" or "A COLLECTION OF BEATLES OLDIES"! To me, the entire Capitol Album catalogue is the same prinicpal as MMT.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2009 6:53:30 GMT -5
I get the analysis thing. I appreciate it and have done it myself. But, I still contend that years from now, when the novelty wears off, those of us who have multiple versions of albums will not be making a habit of listening to different versions at different times. We will be settling in on one version. Let's check back in a year or two "A year or two"? Oh, please. I've already been doing this ever since I was a teen and owned all sorts of vinyl imports with various song sequences, sound quality, and arrangements, or Mono VS Stereo. There are times I am in the mood for the MONO, other times the STEREO. There are times I want to hear HELP and AHDN from the U.S. soundtracks, with the instrumentals included. Sometimes I want to just play the "1" hits, or 62-66, and 67-70. Sometimes the Capitol albums are the ones I want to play. You don't have to check back in a year or two; I've already done it for years and I'm doing in right now. All you're doing, along with vectis, is trying to convince yourselves that these new remasters are no big deal.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2009 6:56:36 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I care which version I listen to! But I over-analyze this stuff, absolutely. I spent 2 hrs last night and another hour or so today carefully playing old vs. new vs. Capitol to see what I liked best. Mostly these new remasters are winning out, but not always. I can think of several tracks I just love on the Capitol sets (all US Stereo) Help Money Kansas City (Rock and roll, what Paul does best!) I'm Looking Through You and many more Same here. There are so many different versions of things when it comes to The Beatles that I think I could literally take almost every song they recorded and come up with different albums I like each track from.
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Post by sayne on Sept 13, 2009 9:20:15 GMT -5
. . . All you're doing, along with vectis, is trying to convince yourselves that these new remasters are no big deal. Actually not. I get it. Actually, I'm going to get both the mono and the stereo. I'm going to keep the Capitol remasters. I'm going to keep the Yellow Submarine movie remix. I'm going to keep my vinyl. I try to be as complete as I can be. My point is, with apparently several on this board being the exception, that most people will eventually settle in on one version to play. Let's put it this way. When people put things on their IPOD or MP3 players, do they put on all the 1987 CDs AND the Capitol Remasters AND the new remasters AND their boots, etc? Maybe. Maybe not. I suspect most don't. I do for insurance purposes. In fact, I have my entire CD collection on my IPODs. In case of fire or theft, I want to make sure I can recreated my CD collection in case I lose my CDs. But, I don't think I would do it if I stored my CDs somewhere where I knew they were safe. Except for my "insurance" reason, I don't know why one would transfer to IPOD their Capitol and/or Parlophone AND 1, for example. I'm not meaning this as a "dig" on anyone. I get the connoisseurship that most of us have on this board. I get that some versions of songs are better mono and some better stereo. But, I just think that the remasters at some level, and for most people, make other non-remix official versions of the catalog redundant. They, at some point, are going to make choices - for convenience and expedience, with a tad bit of preference thrown in. So, for me, and I don't think I'm alone, I don't have time to sit and deconstruct music. I have music on a lot in my life. But, whether I'm driving, doing yard work, paying bills, painting, etc., I'm just hearings songs. If She Loves You comes on, I won't care if it's mono or stereo, from Capitol, Parlophone, or 1. That's just me.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 13, 2009 9:47:25 GMT -5
I don't NEED all of them at all. And I WAS in at the start (and I love the variations). Hey that's fine. If that's how you'll enjoy the Beatles and their music, I will never try to convince you that you have to have EVERY variation issued. For me being a collector, it's a big deal and either you enjoy variations and recording anomolies or you don't. Bottom line: It's the music that counts and the way YOU enjoy hearing it. Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by Beatle Bob on Sept 13, 2009 9:50:52 GMT -5
Same here. There are so many different versions of things when it comes to The Beatles that I think I could literally take almost every song they recorded and come up with different albums I like each track from. Joe, Funny you say that, as I've done that.....also when I listen to this stuff on my commute to work on my iPod, I'm always guessing at to which versions they are; US or UK versions -- and I'm right about 99% of the time Regards, Beatle Bob
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