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Post by Cosmos on Sept 13, 2009 11:32:59 GMT -5
This has to be one of the greatest reviews of a "new" Beatle release that I have ever read! It also sums up the career of "The Rolling Stones" in such a succinct manner; one that I only wish that I had come up with. http:/www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-klosterman-repeats-the-beatles,32560/ P.S. "Uh...neanderthal need help from cro-magnon...link not work, but good link if fix"
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Post by fabdba on Sept 13, 2009 12:05:29 GMT -5
Hey thanks! (PS your link worked fine for me)
I have this edition of the Onion - my husband picks it up every week. It was sitting on the freezer, but now I'm going to keep it, in our home-made "Box of Vision" (Clear plastic box with a cover on it)
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Post by winstonoboogie on Sept 13, 2009 12:06:55 GMT -5
This has to be one of the greatest reviews of a "new" Beatle release that I have ever read! It also sums up the career of "The Rolling Stones" in such a succinct manner; one that I only wish that I had come up with. http:/www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-klosterman-repeats-the-beatles,32560/ P.S. "Uh...neanderthal need help from cro-magnon...link not work, but good link if fix" LOL! Thanks for the link, Cosmos!
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Post by Cosmos on Sept 13, 2009 12:33:13 GMT -5
Cool winstonoboogie! Glad you enjoyed it and found it too! (I tried to click on my own link in the thread and it did not work for me...) I am currently listening to and comparing the Mono vs. Stereo Sgt. Pepper's. Over-all I give the all of bonuses to the Mono version, however one cannot deny the superiority of the Stereo version of "A Day in the "Life". And heck folks; what is your problem with the percussive instruments that have been virtually buried for the past forty years in the mixes? I find that the "re-discovery" of the maracas in ADITL are extremely cool to hear! Albeit some of the cow-bells are rescindable in the sets (sorry John).
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Post by sayne on Sept 13, 2009 14:12:16 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who thinks Please Please Me is about oral sex.
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Post by OldFred on Sept 13, 2009 15:15:10 GMT -5
I do agree with you Bob on the tambourines and maracas. Even a moron like Davy Jones of The Monkees can play the tambourine! ;D John, John, John---must I chide you?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2009 15:37:09 GMT -5
Actually not. I get it. Actually, I'm going to get both the mono and the stereo. I'm going to keep the Capitol remasters. I'm going to keep the Yellow Submarine movie remix. I'm going to keep my vinyl. I try to be as complete as I can be. My point is, with apparently several on this board being the exception, that most people will eventually settle in on one version to play. I can't see how you can know this so definitively. If we're talking about ordinary casual people out there who like the Beatles somewhat, sure - they'll only have the music one way and that's all they'll care about playing... ...but if we're talking about diehards like us HERE, well, what's the whole idea behind owning EVERYTHING, if not to play it all at some point and hear it differently when you're in that mood? Here you are telling us you have all the music yourself in all its various versions, so what would be the point if you don't mix it up once in awhile and play whatever it is you're in the mood for? Otherwise you would only have either the MONO or STEREO - no need for both. Same with the other variations you've said you own. Well, wait a minute here. This is a TOTALLY different subject, asking "if you were going to program your IPOD or MP3, what would you put on it?" I don't think that's quite the same thing. If you're doing it like yourself - just to have it all handy there for insurance - that's different. I'm not really up on the new technology, but a couple years back my wife bought me an MP3 (I can't find it now, it's lost!) and actually my main goal there was to include each and every Beatles AND solo J,P,G&R album on there, and then just hit "shuffle".Now, because it was my specific goal not to "repeat" songs, I decided to only program the 1987 CDs on there because the Capitols would have just been repeating the same songs. But the MP3 was just something to play in the car on 'shuffle'; when I was in the home I'd often pull out the different-sounding Capitol albums to play. And I do reach for that HELP! soundtrack quite often, because I like the movie and all the instrumentals and I want to re-live my childhood through it. Then again, other times I'll pick the UK disc -- now it'll sometimes be the MONO, sometimes the STEREO, maybe sometimes even the 1965 Mixes! Well, it depends - if I was like you and wanted ALL my CDs on there, I'd transfer them all (except the "1" album, which is not required) - but perhaps just pick and choose the versions I want, when I'm in the mood for them. The only way I wouldn't do this is if I was only concerned with listening randomly via the "shuffle" approach -- I mean, who needs the risk to have "If I Fell" pop up once in MONO and later again in STEREO within the same half-hour playing session? That's too repetitious. But as I said, I don't think the idea of IPODS and MP3s is really what we're talking about when we're just at home deciding which single album version we're in the mood for, to play in its entirety. Then I think it's unnecessary that you have so many different versions in your collection. Stick with one, your favorite format, and let it go at that.
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Post by sayne on Sept 13, 2009 21:26:10 GMT -5
. . . I can't see how you can know this so definitively. Because I have special powers. Because I have this stupid obsession with this cute little pop band from Liverpool. I must have everything. If it wasn't the Beatles, it'd be animal porn ( I don't eat'em, but I like to see them doing the nasty ), but then I wouldn't be able to share it with the kids, so I think I'm better off. But, seriously, I have a lot, collect a lot. But, when I listen to music, it is now all IPOD based and random. Yes, I have had 2 versions of a Beatles song come in a row. If it's a good song like She Said She Said, I don't mind. In fact, I will repeat and repeat and repeat since that is one of my all-time favorite songs. If it's Revolution 9, I skip. No big deal. With over 18,000 songs across two IPODs, I prefer to have my musical day be more eclectic than just With the Beatles. Don't misunderstand. I DO get the appreciation of different versions of Beatles songs. I have had my days when I wanted to hear Help in its entirety, for example. And, although I grew up with the Capitol version, I would select to hear the British version because I don't like the instrumentals. So, I get it. The whole point of my thesis is my belief and admission that in reality, the Beatles are going to be packaged and repackaged "forever." When they release the entire Capitol albums "really" remastered from the original tapes, we'll be there. If they were to make a remix/remastering CD and call it Ringo - the Beat of the Beatles which showcased his best drumming-we'd be all over it. If they took all the major foreign vinyl releases and put them on CD and released them as a box set collection, we' piss on ourselves. If they were to steal Cosmo's idea and release a box set of all the Beatles songs in order of recording, we'd be on it, especially if it was accompanied with a special limited edition Beatles apple paper weight. Hey, how's this for a repackage idea? Go back into the studio, play the remasters, but take George's guitar out of the mix and have Jose Feliciano play along. You can call it Sin Jorge. Then you could do the same with Flea putting in his own bass parts, then one with Pete Best doing what he would have done if he had stayed with the band, then one with Placido Domingo harmonizing with John instead of Paul. Each one with the same fanfare that is accompanying these new remasters. Obviously, I'm exaggerating to make a point. I'm really not begrudging anyone from wanting to hear one version over an other at any given time and back again to the other version at another time. I just come from another direction. The direction being that I loved the Beatles way back when I was listening to them on a tinny little transistor radio. I loved hearing them on my broken dinky stereo with only one speaker working so I only really heard half of each song. So, for me, a song is a song is a song. I'm not an audiophile. I'm and obsessive collector. That's why I bought the Red and the Blue albums, even though I had the songs on other records. I bought 1 despite the same reason. I bought the 87s CD, even though I already had good recordings on good tape from a good recorder. The patchwork of Beatles fandom is made up of different patterns. I won't say that these remasters are not necessary. I'm just saying, "REALLY, how many versions of the same songs do we REALLY have to have?" Collecting is an irrational act. I admit it, but love to do it. Now, 'scuse me while I undo the pause button and get back to my animal porn.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 14, 2009 11:19:42 GMT -5
The whole point of my thesis is my belief and admission that in reality, the Beatles are going to be packaged and repackaged "forever." When they release the entire Capitol albums "really" remastered from the original tapes, we'll be there. If they were to make a remix/remastering CD and call it Ringo - the Beat of the Beatles which showcased his best drumming-we'd be all over it. If they took all the major foreign vinyl releases and put them on CD and released them as a box set collection, we' piss on ourselves. If they were to steal Cosmo's idea and release a box set of all the Beatles songs in order of recording, we'd be on it, especially if it was accompanied with a special limited edition Beatles apple paper weight. Speak for yourself, not everybody. Personally, I am NOT that obsessive collector I used to be 25-20 years ago. I sold off so much of my vinyl - albums and singles, foreign imports and rare bootleg LPs - because I just don't need everything anymore. I would not buy the items you describe above, I would not buy repackagings like REEL MUSIC or LOVE SONGS anymore. Those days are DONE. But these remasters are not like that - these are now the defitintive stereo and mono versions. It IS irrational, and I've broken that spell long ago.
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