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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 24, 2009 9:46:33 GMT -5
. . . So be patient sayne and Cosmos! Keep your distance, everyone. I just got mono. LOL! I really do have some nasty hybrid of a bacterial sinus infection and some strain of viral infection where I am running a fever, coughing, my whole body aches and I feel terrible. I even had the seasonal flu shot. Maybe this will force me to delve into both stereo and mono boxes as I can't do anything else!
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Post by sayne on Oct 24, 2009 10:06:54 GMT -5
. . . I really do have some nasty hybrid of a bacterial sinus infection and some strain of viral infection where I am running a fever, coughing, my whole body aches and I feel terrible. I even had the seasonal flu shot. . . . Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I thought I was coming down with something, but it ended up being ordinary Fall allergies. I'm still walking softly, though. I work around people with germs. My immune system is always on alert. Here's to a speedy recovery. Look on the bright side. You won't get THOSE germs anymore. Hang in there.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 24, 2009 19:53:50 GMT -5
. . . I really do have some nasty hybrid of a bacterial sinus infection and some strain of viral infection where I am running a fever, coughing, my whole body aches and I feel terrible. I even had the seasonal flu shot. . . . Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I thought I was coming down with something, but it ended up being ordinary Fall allergies. I'm still walking softly, though. I work around people with germs. My immune system is always on alert. Here's to a speedy recovery. Look on the bright side. You won't get THOSE germs anymore. Hang in there. Yes. Here's to a quick and speedy recovery, Huck! Enjoy the remasters in the meantime! (a silver lining?...)
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Post by coachbk on Dec 5, 2009 20:43:17 GMT -5
Well I like what I've heard of them on the radio, but I haven't bought them and have no plans to do so at this point. I've got all the songs. I am just incredibly disappointed that there are no bonus tracks and that the songs from the PAST MASTERS weren't all put on the CD's from the time they were recorded. (And put the 4 "new" Yellow Submarine songs on other albums too: "Only A Northern Song" on SGT PEPPER and the others on MMT) I hear all this talk about "protecting the integrity of the original albums". Well I think you do that by having the CD's begin with the original album tracks in the original order. Then follow up with the singles, B sides, EP tracks, a few songs from the Anthologies, and some unreleased stuff for a full 80 minute CD. The singles sometimes get forgotten (witness the recent History Channel special that only mentioned a few early singles and completely left out such important songs as "Strawberry Fields", "Penny Lane" and "Hey Jude" among others). I think including everything in the manner I stated above would really make it even more clear to the casual fan how totally dominant and prolific the Beatles were. (adding "Paperback Writer" and "Rain" to REVOLVER for example takes the greatest album ever to an even loftier level.) I see this as a golden opportunity lost.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 7, 2009 9:59:29 GMT -5
I would have no problem if Apple had done what you suggested coachbk, adding singles and extras to the end of the album c.d.'s.
Now that the 45 single has gone the way of dinosaurs, Edsel's, and Steeler dominance(hee hee hope JCV doesn't see this!), The Beatles' policy on singles(mostly keeping them off albums) looks short-sighted.
The Past Masters is not the best way to enjoy the singles as you hear everything out of context, like a "greatest hits" album. As you say, "Paperback Writer" and "Rain" are best enjoyed when surrounded by their brothers and sisters from Revolver, not the single before it and after it.
Alas, other than burning our own versions, we must live with the awkward Past Masters comp which has at least been made into one, two disc album.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 10, 2009 19:25:52 GMT -5
Alternative view: the singles were always intended to be stand-alone, never intended to be part of a particular album, and Past Masters is as good a way to present them as any. Discuss..
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 10, 2009 20:01:34 GMT -5
Alternative view: the singles were always intended to be stand-alone, never intended to be part of a particular album, and Past Masters is as good a way to present them as any. Discuss.. I agree. FAAB and RL should have been on the new remastered Past Masters as well just for that reason.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 11, 2009 0:24:18 GMT -5
A reader of Steve Marinucci's Examiner column wrote that he has a friend who works for EMI and that company is very disappointed with sales of the remasters and it blames Apple's decision to release these 09/09/09 instead of waiting closer to the holidays.
Who knows if that guy is telling the truth but that is the kind of information I was seeking when starting this Thread. From where I am sitting, the remasters' buzz is long gone and even the Christmas Season is not revising it despite some renewed ads for these remasters.
Again from where I sit, The Beatles Rock Band seems like an even bigger nonevent and there have been zero Beatles' Rock Band parties in my neck of the world.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 11, 2009 0:47:36 GMT -5
A reader of Steve Marinucci's Examiner column wrote that he has a friend who works for EMI and that company is very disappointed with sales of the remasters and it blames Apple's decision to release these 09/09/09 instead of waiting closer to the holidays. Who knows if that guy is telling the truth but that is the kind of information I was seeking when starting this Thread. From where I am sitting, the remasters' buzz is long gone and even the Christmas Season is not revising it despite some renewed ads for these remasters. Again from where I sit, The Beatles Rock Band seems like an even bigger nonevent and there have been zero Beatles' Rock Band parties in my neck of the world. They're disappointed? I think that's misinformation. Yeah, there is still a buzz, but if anyone expected things to stay at fever pitch, they were naive. Still, they did very well.
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Post by wooltonian on Dec 11, 2009 6:08:51 GMT -5
Alternative view: the singles were always intended to be stand-alone, never intended to be part of a particular album, and Past Masters is as good a way to present them as any. Discuss.. Agree... Past Masters I and II are albums that I tend to dip in and out of. I never play them all the way through and don't really regard them as any sort of 'coherent whole' or 'greatest hits'. They are ostensibly 'odds and sods' albums and I really enjoy them as such. 'Hatful of Hollow' by the Smiths is another collection similar in approach - singles, E.P.s, b-sides, John Peel sessions.....excellent. Homogenous, immaculately-tailored greatest hits collections have their place but so do other types of compilation.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 11, 2009 11:09:26 GMT -5
A reader of Steve Marinucci's Examiner column wrote that he has a friend who works for EMI and that company is very disappointed with sales of the remasters and it blames Apple's decision to release these 09/09/09 instead of waiting closer to the holidays. Who knows if that guy is telling the truth but that is the kind of information I was seeking when starting this Thread. From where I am sitting, the remasters' buzz is long gone and even the Christmas Season is not revising it despite some renewed ads for these remasters. Again from where I sit, The Beatles Rock Band seems like an even bigger nonevent and there have been zero Beatles' Rock Band parties in my neck of the world. They're disappointed? I think that's misinformation. Yeah, there is still a buzz, but if anyone expected things to stay at fever pitch, they were naive. Still, they did very well. Steve, do you remember your reader I am talking about? I forget which specific column his post was in (maybe the "McCartney got booed" one?). Can you ask your contacts at Capitol/EMI about their candid assessment on sales? Maybe I am naive but 1 created a huge buzz back in 2000(even though the disc itself bores me to death) that extended to non-fans. I expected a huge buzz on 09/09/09 and we got a fizzle. It did not even create a lasting buzz on this Board as we are back to talking about who killed John, Paul's tweaked setlist and Ringo's new album. We didn't even get a #1 on the Billboard Oldies Album Chart did we as MJ kept us from Numero Uno?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Dec 11, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -5
They're disappointed? I think that's misinformation. Yeah, there is still a buzz, but if anyone expected things to stay at fever pitch, they were naive. Still, they did very well. Steve, do you remember your reader I am talking about? I forget which specific column his post was in (maybe the "McCartney got booed" one?). Can you ask your contacts at Capitol/EMI about their candid assessment on sales? Maybe I am naive but 1 created a huge buzz back in 2000(even though the disc itself bores me to death) that extended to non-fans. I expected a huge buzz on 09/09/09 and we got a fizzle. It did not even create a lasting buzz on this Board as we are back to talking about who killed John, Paul's tweaked setlist and Ringo's new album. We didn't even get a #1 on the Billboard Oldies Album Chart did we as MJ kept us from Numero Uno? John: Any assessment I get from Capitol will be positive. And with the transient nature of the internet, the Beatles wouldn't have stayed up on top very long. Hell, Tiger Woods will be forgotten soon enough. The Beatles were the talk of the media for several weeks. Given we're talking about remasters that some people weren't all that thrilled about price and sound wise, I think they did ok.
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Post by lowbasso on Dec 11, 2009 12:28:37 GMT -5
I expected a huge buzz on 09/09/09 and we got a fizzle. It did not even create a lasting buzz on this Board. John: Any assessment I get from Capitol will be positive. And with the transient nature of the internet, the Beatles wouldn't have stayed up on top very long. Hell, Tiger Woods will be forgotten soon enough. The Beatles were the talk of the media for several weeks. Given we're talking about remasters that some people weren't all that thrilled about price and sound wise, I think they did ok. I agree with Steve. To elaborate, The remasters are/were not designed to be big sellers out of the gate. The price for the entire box set is extremely high, recession notwithstanding. Realistically, only die-hard Beatlefans, ie. the majority of people who read these boards, were going to be the ones to quickly shell out for the box sets, for the obvious reason of having the best sonically available Beatles catalogue in their possession. But the general public, and those who are non-fanatical Beatlefans; they already have their sets of the 1987 CD's, which are perfectly fine for them. Heck, even some people on this board, whom I assume are heavy Beatlefans, are refusing to buy the new remasters, for reasons of price, or just that they don't hear any real difference from the '87 versions. The remasters are designed for the long term future. From here on out, when a new fan discovers their music, they will purchase the remastered albums (either as CD's or eventual downloads; when they become available, and they will). And older fans who eventually desire to sonically upgrade their old '87 Beatle CD's at some point, (probably after hearing their friends remasters) will buy the remasters album by album, rather than the whole box set at once. So sales will be gradual going forward. Slow, but sure. The only way The Beatles could create a huge buzz would be if there was new music or never heard before music newly discovered. And that just isn't going to happen. The Anthology buzz in the mid-90's was more about the new reunion songs, and Paul, George, & Ringo working together again after 24 years, than it was about the old alternate tracks released on Anthology. The Beatles are now in a class similar to classical artists like Mozart, Beethoven, et al. Their music is accepted as the cream of classic 20th Century rock & roll, and it will continue to sell for generations to come long after many of their peer groups vanish away into oblivion.
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 11, 2009 13:37:18 GMT -5
Good responses Steve and lowbasso, I feel better.
In my wild imagination, I just imagined world domination by The Beatles after 09/09/09 and that Apple would remember loyal foot-soldiers like me and at least make me Governor of the North Central Indiana Beatles' Region!
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Post by Blackguard on Apr 16, 2011 0:05:42 GMT -5
For the most part I like how the remastered discs turned out. Considering the age of the original tapes the remastering turned out well. A few songs are a bit lacking, but nothing is absolutely perfect.
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Post by John S. Damm on Apr 16, 2011 0:14:34 GMT -5
For the most part I like how the remastered discs turned out. Considering the age of the original tapes the remastering turned out well. A few songs are a bit lacking, but nothing is absolutely perfect. I feel better about the remasters now than I did in late 2009. I think the secret is to play them loud.
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