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Post by nine on Oct 31, 2009 2:36:14 GMT -5
I have yet to hear let alone buy any of the remasters. I am very curious though about what the Spector Let It Be sounds like. Can anyone tell me? How does it compare to Let It Be ... Naked?
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 31, 2009 16:07:06 GMT -5
Here's what I think- *the 2009 LIB remaster is still the Beatles' weakest album, but now in best-ever quality of sound. *Why would you want to compare it to LIBN? It is not a Beatles album. LIBN is the product of mere knob-twiddlers, attempting to do McCartney's latter-day bidding. And failing.
Of course, what I just wrote doesn't help you a bit, does it? Why don't you buy the album yourself, or download it (a zillion places to do THAT on the net!), and make up your own mind?
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Post by wolfsblood on Oct 31, 2009 16:30:52 GMT -5
I agree with almost everything McCabe said. I just don't think it's the Beatles' weakest album. My only complaint about the Let It Be remaster is this: You can't hear Lennon's quote about pot-smoking FBI members very well for some reason. I have no idea why they did that but they did. Otherwise it's a masterpiece.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 31, 2009 18:40:19 GMT -5
Here's what I think- *the 2009 LIB remaster is still the Beatles' weakest album, but now in best-ever quality of sound. *Why would you want to compare it to LIBN? It is not a Beatles album. LIBN is the product of mere knob-twiddlers, attempting to do McCartney's latter-day bidding. And failing. Of course, what I just wrote doesn't help you a bit, does it? Why don't you buy the album yourself, or download it (a zillion places to do THAT on the net!), and make up your own mind? I have to disagree a little about LIBN. My opinion has softened since it came out. I think the remastered sound is fantastic. I still wish they'd done this to the Get Back acetate, but it's OK. I like Let It Be, too. Weakest album? I think it's rough quality makes it seem weaker, but songs like "One After 909" and "For You Blue" are superb.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 31, 2009 19:18:45 GMT -5
Interesting about the "rough" angle. What I like about Glyn John's GET BACK albums is their roughness, especially side 1 of each of the Get Backs. One of the things I dislike about the Spector LIB is its phony smoothness. Another kind of phony smoothness, and also artificiality, hangs around Naked for me too.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 31, 2009 22:55:57 GMT -5
My take was the 2009 LIB remaster sounded great but it more than ever highlights the almost bipolar approach of Spector: seemingly live takes with The Beatles back to the basics with some songs then having strings and choirs!
Actually, I hadn't played LIB in a long time, having played LIB...N most recently so I was delighted to hear all those odd things Spector stuck in betwen songs! Wolfie, I thought I heard the bit about pot-smoking F.B.I. members clearly but I'll play it again.
nine, if you like LIB then you'll love this 2009 remaster!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 23:39:03 GMT -5
Let It Be is my favourite Beatles album....
I prefer the Spectored songs in comparison to the Naked ones....
I think the white album is their weakest album,if they really had a weakest album.....
Why do i say that......too much filler or partial song ideas....
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Nov 1, 2009 23:44:15 GMT -5
Interesting about the "rough" angle. What I like about Glyn John's GET BACK albums is their roughness, especially side 1 of each of the Get Backs. One of the things I dislike about the Spector LIB is its phony smoothness. Another kind of phony smoothness, and also artificiality, hangs around Naked for me too. Point taken. I agree the roughness works better on the Get Back albums than LIB.
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Post by nine on Nov 2, 2009 9:05:00 GMT -5
Wow, this is great. I am so glad that so may of you have responded to this.
For what many consider the band's weakest moment (perhaps along with Beatles For Sale) there are a lot of strong opinions about LIB and all of its releases.
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Post by stavros on Nov 2, 2009 19:12:42 GMT -5
Let it Be is no way a bad album. Maybe I think so because I was too young to remember the Beatles first time round and didn't really hear LIB (as an album) until the late 70s. But I have always thought that Let it Be, Across the Universe, Get Back, Long & Winding Road plus the rock-waltz "I Me Mine"make it a very listenable album . If Don't Let Me Down had been on the original release then by today's terms Let it Be would be considered a classic album.
In fact it is. Like every other Beatles album. The new re-master sounds great. Consider "Naked" to be a nice companion to it.
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Post by revolver66 on Nov 3, 2009 12:16:31 GMT -5
I also have to chime in as one who thinks Let It Be is a great Album. I agree that the Remaster now more than ever reveals it's weaknesses. However Get Back,Let It Be,TLAWR,Across The Universe,I Me Mine,I Got A Feeling(One of My Favorites),Two Of Us etc..Classic Beatles but a rougher/Different Production than the rest. I have listened to Let It Be probably more than many Beatles Lps. I also think Beatles For Sale is Great. I think Help by a far margin is their Weakest Album(UK Version). Side Two is a mess with no rhyme or reason and many lack luster songs.Ouch indeed!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 3, 2009 16:14:03 GMT -5
I also have to chime in as one who thinks Let It Be is a great Album. I agree that the Remaster now more than ever reveals it's weaknesses. However Get Back,Let It Be,TLAWR,Across The Universe,I Me Mine,I Got A Feeling(One of My Favorites),Two Of Us etc..Classic Beatles but a rougher/Different Production than the rest. I have listened to Let It Be probably more than many Beatles Lps. I also think Beatles For Sale is Great. I think Help by a far margin is their Weakest Album(UK Version). Side Two is a mess with no rhyme or reason and many lack luster songs.Ouch indeed!! Our differing tastes are a funny thing as I view the UK HELP! album as being very strong and I like it far better than AHDN, a minority opinion I realize. I love LIB but am glad that we got LIB...N for, among other reasons, the inclusion of "Don't Let Me Down" which is sorely missing from LIB, even if they would have used a Rooftop version where John's slurs the words on his solo vocal part!
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Post by glenn1966 on Nov 4, 2009 15:03:45 GMT -5
I also have to chime in as one who thinks Let It Be is a great Album. I agree that the Remaster now more than ever reveals it's weaknesses. However Get Back,Let It Be,TLAWR,Across The Universe,I Me Mine,I Got A Feeling(One of My Favorites),Two Of Us etc..Classic Beatles but a rougher/Different Production than the rest. I have listened to Let It Be probably more than many Beatles Lps. I also think Beatles For Sale is Great. I think Help by a far margin is their Weakest Album(UK Version). Side Two is a mess with no rhyme or reason and many lack luster songs.Ouch indeed!! Deleting "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" and letting "Yesterday" conclude would improve side 2 of Help.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 4, 2009 15:13:01 GMT -5
I also have to chime in as one who thinks Let It Be is a great Album. I agree that the Remaster now more than ever reveals it's weaknesses. However Get Back,Let It Be,TLAWR,Across The Universe,I Me Mine,I Got A Feeling(One of My Favorites),Two Of Us etc..Classic Beatles but a rougher/Different Production than the rest. I have listened to Let It Be probably more than many Beatles Lps. I also think Beatles For Sale is Great. I think Help by a far margin is their Weakest Album(UK Version). Side Two is a mess with no rhyme or reason and many lack luster songs.Ouch indeed!! Deleting "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" and letting "Yesterday" conclude would improve side 2 of Help. That reminds me that I found "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" a lot better on both the 1965 stereo mix found at the end of the 2009 mono Help! and the 2009 stereo remastered c.d. The 1987 c.d. version sounded like The Beatles were in Bin Laden's cave. It never sounded that way on the American vinyl and it sounded really rocking on 1976's Rock And Roll Music, a compilation album with some remixing done on it by Sir George himself!
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Post by kc on Nov 4, 2009 20:27:03 GMT -5
I love Let it Be, Beatles for Sale and Help! The weakest Beatles album is none of these; it is Yellow Submarine.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 4, 2009 21:01:02 GMT -5
I love Let it Be, Beatles for Sale and Help! The weakest Beatles album is none of these; it is Yellow Submarine. Rather, if you look at the Beatles side ONLY, the album is top class Beatles fare. (Don't condemn the whole album just because side 2 is George Martin stuff!) Top class - why yes ... consider: *One of the great Beatles sing-alongs (Yellow Submarine). Whether you consider this a children's song, or something a little more sinister, it can't de denied that it's fun to sing along with. *One of the great psychedelic songs ... a wonderful sonic experiment. Only A Northern Song should NOT have been discarded from Pepper. *All Together Now is a great addition to the genre of the "counting song". Not very deep, but I'm glad the Beatles made their contribution to this genre. *A Lennon classic - Hey Bulldog. Doesn't he belt it out strongly? Yes! Isn't it played with vim and vigor? Yes! Doesn't it ... ROCK? YES!! *Another psych classic, It's All Too Much. Not as experimental as Only A Northern Song, but an insistent track with a great groove (sixties talk, ahem). *Lastly, the love and peace anthem of the era. All You Need Is Love said it all, AND it's great to sing along with too! Weakest? Weak? - I don't think so.
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Post by bertonebeatle on Nov 4, 2009 22:09:56 GMT -5
"Let It Be" was never one of my favorite Beatles albums, but relistening to the remaster really made me reconsider my feelings on the album. It's not as bad as I sometimes remember. Lot's of good songs on there and the remasters only make them sound stronger.
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Post by kc on Nov 5, 2009 18:10:15 GMT -5
I love Let it Be, Beatles for Sale and Help! The weakest Beatles album is none of these; it is Yellow Submarine. Rather, if you look at the Beatles side ONLY, the album is top class Beatles fare. (Don't condemn the whole album just because side 2 is George Martin stuff!) Top class - why yes ... consider: *One of the great Beatles sing-alongs (Yellow Submarine). Whether you consider this a children's song, or something a little more sinister, it can't de denied that it's fun to sing along with. *One of the great psychedelic songs ... a wonderful sonic experiment. Only A Northern Song should NOT have been discarded from Pepper. *All Together Now is a great addition to the genre of the "counting song". Not very deep, but I'm glad the Beatles made their contribution to this genre. *A Lennon classic - Hey Bulldog. Doesn't he belt it out strongly? Yes! Isn't it played with vim and vigor? Yes! Doesn't it ... ROCK? YES!! *Another psych classic, It's All Too Much. Not as experimental as Only A Northern Song, but an insistent track with a great groove (sixties talk, ahem). *Lastly, the love and peace anthem of the era. All You Need Is Love said it all, AND it's great to sing along with too! Weakest? Weak? - I don't think so. Well we'll have to disagree on this Joseph. Half an album does not make a top class release, and two songs of that half had already appeared on Revolver and Magical Mystery Tour. I agree that its All Too Much is quite good, but I don't see much merit at all in All Together Now. Hey Bulldog is good, but I wouldn't count it a Lennon classic. Yellow Submarine is a weak album, the least value offering from the Beatles standard catalogue.
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Post by vectisfabber on Nov 6, 2009 5:48:44 GMT -5
They really should have gone with the original EP idea for Yellow Submarine - that or the songtrack from the start.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 6, 2009 9:34:10 GMT -5
I played the 2009 stereo remastered LIB two nights ago and it sounded great although one of my favorite songs, "Two Of Us", might sound too good now if that makes sense. I always thought that song sounded great in all the previous formats so now there might be too much clarity! And yes, I could easily hear, "The Queen says no to pot-smoking F.B.I. members" before "For You Blue." That caused me to pull out my two Vigotone Glyn John's mixes, his first version("As Nature Intended") and a second, really elaborately packaged boot called The Beatles Get Back: The Glyn Johns Final Compilation which he put together for the band's consideration just one day after their last "official" recording session in January 1970. Apparently his first compilation for the band's consideration came in the Spring of 1969. Anyway, for the first time ever I really got into those! They are fun and at times poignant romps.
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Post by wolfsblood on Nov 6, 2009 19:07:15 GMT -5
Hey JSD is that comment before For You Blue as loud as the other funny comments like the one before Two Of Us? On my disc the comment before For You Blue is so low it's almost not there. All the other bits of talking sound fine.
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 6, 2009 20:16:04 GMT -5
Hey JSD is that comment before For You Blue as loud as the other funny comments like the one before Two Of Us? On my disc the comment before For You Blue is so low it's almost not there. All the other bits of talking sound fine. It is not as loud as Lennon's quip before "Two Of Us" as John about shouts that but it is as loud or louder than when John complains, "Me hands are too cold to play the chords." I am curious now but I can't play my vinyl as that would be the best way to see if they have lowered John's pot remark for PC reasons.
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Post by jellyzero79 on Nov 7, 2009 13:44:35 GMT -5
BEATLES FOR SALE has somehow come back to life in its remastered state. It is quickly becoming one of my favorites. The compressed, muddy sound of the '87 CD made me dislike this album for a long time now it is the one I keep listening to. Great collection of songs on it: No Reply, I'm A Loser, I Don't Want To Spoil The Party, I'll Follow The Sun, Words Of Love, What You're Doing, Every Little Thing etc.
LIB sounds as good as it can. I find the best way to listen to it is grabbing a few from here and there. I feel I have made the best LIB album at home with these tracks:
Get Back [2009 Pastmasters] Dig A Pony [2009 LIB] One After 909 [LIB Naked] Don't Let Me Down [2009 Pastmasters] I've Got A Feeling [2009 LIB] The Long And Winding Road [Naked or 2009 LIB -your choice] Dig It [2009 LIB] Let It Be [2009 LIB or 2009 Pastmasters -your choice] Maggie Mae [2009 LIB] For You Blue [LIB Naked] Two Of Us [LIB Naked] Across The Universe [Anthology 2] I Me Mine [Naked] Get Back [2009 LIB]
*may also add in "All Things Must Pass" from Anthology 3 if you like.* Try it this way as a playlist or a cd-r. I think you'll really come to appreciate the LIB sessions more.
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Post by gripweed on Nov 9, 2009 8:55:42 GMT -5
Wow, this is great. I am so glad that so may of you have responded to this. For what many consider the band's weakest moment (perhaps along with Beatles For Sale) there are a lot of strong opinions about LIB and all of its releases. Beatles For Sale with the improved sound quality is a great album. Some very underrated songs there. LIBN sucks. I never listen to it. Pick LIB every time.
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Post by gripweed on Nov 9, 2009 9:02:47 GMT -5
Rather, if you look at the Beatles side ONLY, the album is top class Beatles fare. (Don't condemn the whole album just because side 2 is George Martin stuff!) Top class - why yes ... consider: *One of the great Beatles sing-alongs (Yellow Submarine). Whether you consider this a children's song, or something a little more sinister, it can't de denied that it's fun to sing along with. *One of the great psychedelic songs ... a wonderful sonic experiment. Only A Northern Song should NOT have been discarded from Pepper. *All Together Now is a great addition to the genre of the "counting song". Not very deep, but I'm glad the Beatles made their contribution to this genre. *A Lennon classic - Hey Bulldog. Doesn't he belt it out strongly? Yes! Isn't it played with vim and vigor? Yes! Doesn't it ... ROCK? YES!! *Another psych classic, It's All Too Much. Not as experimental as Only A Northern Song, but an insistent track with a great groove (sixties talk, ahem). *Lastly, the love and peace anthem of the era. All You Need Is Love said it all, AND it's great to sing along with too! Weakest? Weak? - I don't think so. Well we'll have to disagree on this Joseph. Half an album does not make a top class release, and two songs of that half had already appeared on Revolver and Magical Mystery Tour. I agree that its All Too Much is quite good, but I don't see much merit at all in All Together Now. Hey Bulldog is good, but I wouldn't count it a Lennon classic. Yellow Submarine is a weak album, the least value offering from the Beatles standard catalogue. Hey Bulldog is a kick ass rocker. Too bad John kicked it to the side and forgot about it. Geoff Emerick said it was the last time all four Beatles were collaborating and energetically involved in a recording at the same time. George came to play that day and the lyrics are some my favorite from John. Pull out Paul and John's self indulgent filler on the White Album and add Hey Bulldog.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 9, 2009 22:04:11 GMT -5
So, gripweed, is that your wife in your avatar? If so, then yowzah! If not, then who is she?
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Post by Cosmos on Nov 10, 2009 16:32:08 GMT -5
Wait a minute...THAT'S MY WIFE!!! But just to be absolutely sure, I need to go get my reading glasses to check out the details...
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 10, 2009 21:02:28 GMT -5
Wait a minute...THAT'S MY WIFE!!! But just to be absolutely sure, I need to go get my reading glasses to check out the details... If true, you're almost as lucky as me!
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Post by Cosmos on Nov 11, 2009 16:54:50 GMT -5
"Lucky" very often, my friend...a match truly made in heaven!
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Post by cublowell on Nov 13, 2009 21:49:28 GMT -5
[/quote] Deleting "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" and letting "Yesterday" conclude would improve side 2 of Help.[/quote]
Funny, I've always seen it the other way around ;D
Then again, I'm also one that doesn't think there's such a thing as a "weak" Beatles album. "Yellow Submarine" was a movie soundtrack, not really a serious album, so I don't think that can be held against them - the EP would've held up well. And to think that you can throw together all of their B-sides for something like Past Masters and come up with a better album than most bands ever make boggles the mind!
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