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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 26, 2010 10:32:28 GMT -5
Joe, CS: Let's cut the back-and-forth sniping, OK? There are more important things to discuss in this thread, not what you guys think of each other. It's unfortunate that I've read this after already seeing that ChokingSmoker has been able to go all out, bashing me some more. And so now I guess this means I'm not allowed to defend myself by replying to him. For the record, the only reason I'm not responding to his slams is because you're asking me not to, Steve; not that I can't handle myself. If I may not be permitted to respond to him, then I think it's fair that his remarks about me be deleted (and my post right here too, which suits me just as well). Joe: If I did that, I'd have to delete a lot more posts than yours and his but from others, since you guys were quoted by others. I'd prefer to just leave things stand as they with the last word coming from me that it should not start up again. I'll pm both of you.
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Jan 28, 2010 15:01:53 GMT -5
Joe, CS: Let's cut the back-and-forth sniping, OK? There are more important things to discuss in this thread, not what you guys think of each other. I don't mean to sound grumpy here, but cutting off JoeK is the worst thing one can do. Christ, his statements are so good it beckons scrutinizing at times and an appropriate response as well. As far as what we think of each other, I have no real issue with the man. If he makes an erroneous statement, I will promptly correct it. There was no name-calling or any shenanigans of the sort that we have delved-in in the past. His claims of an all-out bashing is another erroneous statement on his part. I did nothing of the sort and welcome a response. Restricting Joek is like a hot dog with no mustard. A burger without ketchup. Lady GaGa without a costume. John Lennon without Paul. With all due respect, ham-stringing and stifling is not the answer. Cheers
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 30, 2010 1:47:49 GMT -5
Joe, CS: Let's cut the back-and-forth sniping, OK? There are more important things to discuss in this thread, not what you guys think of each other. I don't mean to sound grumpy here, but cutting off JoeK is the worst thing one can do. Christ, his statements are so good it beckons scrutinizing at times and an appropriate response as well. As far as what we think of each other, I have no real issue with the man. If he makes an erroneous statement, I will promptly correct it. There was no name-calling or any shenanigans of the sort that we have delved-in in the past. His claims of an all-out bashing is another erroneous statement on his part. I did nothing of the sort and welcome a response. Restricting Joek is like a hot dog with no mustard. A burger without ketchup. Lady GaGa without a costume. John Lennon without Paul. With all due respect, ham-stringing and stifling is not the answer. Cheers CS: By all means, debate all you want with him or anyone else. Just don't let it get personal or John or I will have a say. When it gets personal, people start to get hot under the collar and say things they won't want to. That's all I'm trying to prevent. If you can discuss without getting personal, you have my blessing. Beatle debate, especially spirited Beatle debate, is always thought provoking.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 30, 2010 6:58:27 GMT -5
I don't mean to sound grumpy here, but cutting off JoeK is the worst thing one can do. Christ, his statements are so good it beckons scrutinizing at times and an appropriate response as well. As far as what we think of each other, I have no real issue with the man. If he makes an erroneous statement, I will promptly correct it. There was no name-calling or any shenanigans of the sort that we have delved-in in the past. His claims of an all-out bashing is another erroneous statement on his part. I did nothing of the sort and welcome a response. Restricting Joek is like a hot dog with no mustard. A burger without ketchup. Lady GaGa without a costume. John Lennon without Paul. With all due respect, ham-stringing and stifling is not the answer. Cheers CS: By all means, debate all you want with him or anyone else. Just don't let it get personal or John or I will have a say. When it gets personal, people start to get hot under the collar and say things they won't want to. That's all I'm trying to prevent. If you can discuss without getting personal, you have my blessing. Beatle debate, especially spirited Beatle debate, is always thought provoking. Steve, I thought you wanted us to drop all the back and forth stuff? I deliberately refrained from responding to CS's above remarks here yesterday because of your request.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 30, 2010 11:20:13 GMT -5
Recently JoeySelf P.M.'d me with a link to vigorous and serious discussions on The Partridge Family at the Steve Hoffman Music Forums. The discussions on the PF were fantastic but I am not a member there and I couldn't join in.
I read the Board's Rules. They are many and very detailed. Most of us here would violate, on a daily basis, the SH Forum rules.
When Steve Marinucci created his first Board, and now this Board, he kept his rules to a minimum hoping that as mostly adults we would behave and largely police ourselves. Personally I liked that easy going approach and I have never been bothered by discussions meandering off topic or the humorous banter among posters who, in many instances here, have become friends with contacts beyond even this Board.
This Board though should never be a place where a member is afraid to come to because he or she will be mocked or personally slammed by someone else. I emphasize that most of us, including me, have posted things that would violate the rules of many other Boards.
The recent spat of fighting and bullying here, despite Steve's interventions as Administrator and my attempts to be a refereeing Mod, are wearisome. The thing is, I personally enjoy the contributions of everyone here when not fighting or bickering but maybe even a Beatles Message Board is more like Lord Of The Flies than Pepperland!
Question: Do the members on this Board want Steve M. to consider adopting the types of Rules found at the Steve Hoffman Music Forums? Steve is a very sharp guy and he has access here to several lawyers who love to draft new rules!
Steve M. is developing more and more contacts in the Beatles' "Big Leagues" as demonstrated by his appearance on the Fab Fourums, other radio appearances and interviews he is increasingly snagging. That is a benefit to this Board and its Members. It is embarrassing that Steve has had to increasingly step into fights here but as founder and Admin., he has the authority that no volunteer Mod has(or wants).
Can we mostly police ourselves or do we need to ask Steve for more rules? I am asking everyone here.
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Post by OldFred on Jan 30, 2010 17:29:32 GMT -5
I recently joined the Hoffman board (I'm FredV on that board) and was relieved to be able to express my opinions on many and varied topics regarding music and movies with hardly an ounce of trepidation that someone would jump down my throat who disagreed with my opinion, which I found very refreshing. I actually hooked up with some old friends on the Hoffman board in the Monkee threads and it's been a lot of fun expressing opinions without the non-fans expressing unnecessary hostility.
I believe the message boards should be a place where folks can voice their opinions on many different topics and subjects and have friendly disagreements without things getting personal and heated.
If the need for a few, stricter rules on board etiquette are necessary, I wouldn't be adverse to them.
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Post by sayne on Jan 30, 2010 17:33:55 GMT -5
Over $50 million raised for Haitian relief. Outstanding! Until we hear that Simon Cowell was offered $100 million to stay with American Idol.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2010 7:37:46 GMT -5
I recently joined the Hoffman board (I'm FredV on that board) and was relieved to be able to express my opinions on many and varied topics regarding music and movies with hardly an ounce of trepidation that someone would jump down my throat who disagreed with my opinion, which I found very refreshing. I actually hooked up with some old friends on the Hoffman board in the Monkee threads and it's been a lot of fun expressing opinions without the non-fans expressing unnecessary hostility. I believe the message boards should be a place where folks can voice their opinions on many different topics and subjects and have friendly disagreements without things getting personal and heated. If the need for a few, stricter rules on board etiquette are necessary, I wouldn't be adverse to them. Well, Fred, using some "message board etiquette" is a good thing and I find it's important to maintaining a civil forum (and I belong to several of them out there). I will admit though that I kind of go with the flow depending on how a particular board is moderated; I find this one to be more permissive than most, so perhaps I go that extra inch when the mood strikes me on occasion. BUT -- at the same time I feel it can become too sanitary and restrictive as well, in the case of some of the heavily-moderated boards I know; on those forums it gets ridiculous at times in that nobody's allowed to have an off day or be a little more intense or passionate, or even snippy when need be. That's part of some people's character and personality; but sometimes on certain boards I get the feeling that members have to be "white-washed" or stripped down to the point where there's little meat left to them, and everyone's just going around with insincere smiley faces on, saying "I love you, man!", sugar-coating every statement with "Well, I understand how you feel my good friend, however - in my oh-so-humble opinion I am afraid I must disagree...", and kissing each other's butts. There must be some individuality and pepper now and then. However, I'm not saying people ought to be allowed to say things like "F--- you and your idiotic opinion!!"
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Post by sayne on Jan 31, 2010 12:36:08 GMT -5
. . . or stripped down to the point where there's little meat left to them . . . Hey!
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2010 17:27:23 GMT -5
Question: Do the members on this Board want Steve M. to consider adopting the types of Rules found at the Steve Hoffman Music Forums? Yes. A posted slate of rules as to what is permitted and not makes a board easy to moderate. If something is put on the board that doesn't belong, it's not much of a judgment call for the admin/mod to recognize it. The boards I frequent most are the ones that are moderated tightly within the stated rules. JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 31, 2010 21:44:54 GMT -5
Sayne: Not true. Actually, there are rules here, but I've kept them pretty invisible and tried to institute somewhat of an honor system to have people abide by them. Are you saying I'm wrong to do that?
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Post by sayne on Jan 31, 2010 22:24:34 GMT -5
I thought my parenthetical expressions indicated I was trying to be funny and ironic. Since my attempt at humor didn't work (not the first time), I'll go on record by saying I like things the way they are.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2010 22:40:42 GMT -5
Is there a simple "ignore" feature here? What someone says on their side of the screen is their business, but what they put into my home is mine. Some boards have such, and if it is available here, I think it would be a welcome addition.
JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 31, 2010 23:01:58 GMT -5
Sayne: Not true. Actually, there are rules here, but I've kept them pretty invisible and tried to institute somewhat of an honor system to have people abide by them. Are you saying I'm wrong to do that? I thought my parenthetical expressions indicated I was trying to be funny and ironic. Since my attempt at humor didn't work (not the first time), I'll go on record by saying I like things the way they are. Sayne: I had just arrived home from a flight out of town when I saw your note and I missed the humor. But I also deleted your post because of the language. That was a little too over the top.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 31, 2010 23:27:42 GMT -5
I'm also locking this thread, as it's moved way off the original topic. If anyone wants to continue discussion on Haiti or rules, open new threads on either one in the appropriate area.
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