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Post by apbuitron on Mar 30, 2010 12:39:34 GMT -5
What improvements would you like to see upon the "classic mixes"? This thread isn't meant to be a discussion of whether or not remixes are a good idea or not.
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Post by stavros on Mar 30, 2010 15:19:59 GMT -5
Good post apbuitron
If we could go the way of the "Yellow Submarine Soundtrack" or even some of the mixes on "Love" I would be happy. Things like the vocals more central and a more modern balance of the sound without overdoing the limiting.
But if this happens I want value for money so I don't need to be forking out £150 - £200 for a box set of every track re-mixed. Maybe a 2-CD set of the Beatles most important hits but not with plenty of space to spare like on the 62-66 or 62-70 collection.
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Post by apbuitron on Mar 30, 2010 15:50:23 GMT -5
I'd agree with what you say about going the way of Songtrack. As far as packaging, i would like to see the whole catologue represented. But i think a gradual release of individual albums would be better than yet another box set.
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Post by stavros on Mar 30, 2010 17:30:58 GMT -5
If they do a simple re-mix of the albums then I think we are getting to the point where sales will start to tail off rapidly after a day. Let's face it the Beatles core fanbase is now of pensionable age, close to pensionable age or simply middle aged. They can only throw so much old product in new packaging at us. Some of the very early albums in mono cannot really be re-mixed and improved anyway. And we've just had the re-masters of 22 year old CDs and 30+ years vinyl albums.
In my opinion the only way to go is to appeal to a mass market and that means a couple of re-mixed double CDs at a price of around £12 (no idea what that is in dollars but around $15 I guess) and also release an accompanying DVD of the Beatles promotional films or videos.
Otherwise Apple are just fleecing the Beatle fan. The ones that are left that is. The young kids of today are vaguely aware of some of the great songs but re-mixes won't mean a thing to them.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 30, 2010 17:45:53 GMT -5
I think what gets remastered and how depends on what's available. For the early tracks, for instance, I doubt whether there is much scope for remixing: there aren't that many seperate elements available to be remixed (although even there there may be scope where there have been bouncedowns, if the pre-bounce elements are still there).
There are a number of different possibilities of types of remixes:
1. Sensitive variations on existing mixes, such as the Love mix of Something;
2. Introduction of elements omitted from final original mixes, such as the Anthology mix of Penny Lane;
3. Love-style mashups;
4. Drastic changes, dance remix-style (ie. introducing distinct non-Beatles interpretative elements);
5. Oh, and lest we forget, 5.1 audio DVD remixes of THE ENTIRE CATALOGUE PLEASE - much already done for the Athology DVD, so can we please have the whole lot now instead of those poxy waste of time and money remasters?
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Post by nine on Mar 31, 2010 4:44:21 GMT -5
If they do a simple re-mix of the albums then I think we are getting to the point where sales will start to tail off rapidly after a day. Let's face it the Beatles core fanbase is now of pensionable age, close to pensionable age or simply middle aged. They can only throw so much old product in new packaging at us. Some of the very early albums in mono cannot really be re-mixed and improved anyway. And we've just had the re-masters of 22 year old CDs and 30+ years vinyl albums. In my opinion the only way to go is to appeal to a mass market and that means a couple of re-mixed double CDs at a price of around £12 (no idea what that is in dollars but around $15 I guess) and also release an accompanying DVD of the Beatles promotional films or videos. Otherwise Apple are just fleecing the Beatle fan. The ones that are left that is. The young kids of today are vaguely aware of some of the great songs but re-mixes won't mean a thing to them. The Beatles 2009 versions are actually cheaper here (Australia) than their 1987 counterparts! George's albums are almost a third higher than those of current top ten artists...
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 31, 2010 6:53:53 GMT -5
If they do a simple re-mix of the albums then I think we are getting to the point where sales will start to tail off rapidly after a day. Let's face it the Beatles core fanbase is now of pensionable age, close to pensionable age or simply middle aged. They can only throw so much old product in new packaging at us. Some of the very early albums in mono cannot really be re-mixed and improved anyway. And we've just had the re-masters of 22 year old CDs and 30+ years vinyl albums. In my opinion the only way to go is to appeal to a mass market and that means a couple of re-mixed double CDs at a price of around £12 (no idea what that is in dollars but around $15 I guess) and also release an accompanying DVD of the Beatles promotional films or videos. Otherwise Apple are just fleecing the Beatle fan. The ones that are left that is. The young kids of today are vaguely aware of some of the great songs but re-mixes won't mean a thing to them. I disagree with most of your post. I think you meant fleecing the 25 million people who bought 1.
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Post by jellyzero79 on Apr 4, 2010 0:33:33 GMT -5
I agree with the whole catalog idea but I also think that a 3 disc set with the most popular songs + some deep cuts would be great. They haven't really tried that in over 20 years. A lot of groups are doing the 2-3 disc best of releases and they are usually in the $12-18 range. Keeping in mind what could actually fit on each disc - Here is an example of what a 3 disc remixed best of collection might be like:
[Disc 1]
01. Please Please Me 02. I Saw Her Standing There 03. Twist & Shout 04. From Me To You 05. She Loves You 06. It Won't Be Long 07. All My Loving 08. All I've Gotta Do 09. You Really Got A Hold On Me 10. This Boy 11. I Want To Hold Your Hand 12. Can't Buy Me Love 13. A Hard Day's Night 14. And I Love Her 15. Long Tall Sally 16. I Feel Fine 17. No Reply 18. I'm A Loser 19. Eight Days A Week 20. Ticket To Ride 21. Help! 22. You've Got To Hide Your Love Away 23. I've Just Seen A Face 24. Yesterday 25. Norwegian Wood 26. Girl 27. Michelle
[Disc 2]
01. Drive My Car 02. Nowhere Man 03. In My Life 04. If I Needed Someone 05. Day Tripper 06. We Can Work It Out 07. Paperback Writer 08. Rain 09. Taxman 10. Eleanor Rigby 11. Yellow Submarine 12. Here, There & Everywhere 13. Good Day Sunshine 14. Got To Get You Into My Life 15. Tomorrow Never Knows 16. Strawberry Fields Forever 17. Penny Lane 18. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 19. Within You Without You 20. A Day In The Life 21. All You Need Is Love 22. Magical Mystery Tour 23. I Am The Walrus
[Disc 3]
01. Hello Goodbye 02. Across The Universe (version from "naked" or "anthology 2") 03. Lady Madonna 04. Hey Bulldog 05. Back In The U.S.S.R. 06. Dear Prudence 07. While My Guitar Gently Weeps 08. Happiness Is A Warm Gun 09. Blackbird 10. Helter Skelter 11. Revolution (single) 12. Hey Jude 13. Get Back (single or album version) 14. Don't Let Me Down 15. I've Got A Feeling 16. Two Of Us 17. The Ballad Of John & Yoko 18. Here Comes The Sun 19. Something 20. Come Together 21. Because (acapella from "one" or "Love") 22. Let It Be (single or album version)
I think this would be a great starting point for any person interested or a great set for the average listener who doesn't need or want it all. Comments?
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Post by ursamajor on Apr 4, 2010 4:48:59 GMT -5
Nice work jelly, I like it.
Only 3 songs I would like to see on disc 1 not included and they are Should Have Known Better, I'll Be Back and She's A Woman.
Other than that it's a great starting point for the casual but interested non-fan.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Apr 4, 2010 13:01:02 GMT -5
Nice work jelly, I like it. Only 3 songs I would like to see on disc 1 not included and they are Should Have Known Better, I'll Be Back and She's A Woman. Other than that it's a great starting point for the casual but interested non-fan. I agree with ursamajor. Nice work! Now if the Apple directors would only agree...
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Post by stavros on Apr 4, 2010 13:42:16 GMT -5
Not a bad idea at all jelly. Although I'd probably pick a few different tracks myself and Macca wouldn't be happy with no songs from Abbey Road of his. Maxwell's Silver Hammer anyone? No thought not but "The End" would round it all off perfectly. As for the 3 disc idea it neatly takes you through the 3 eras from mop-top, psychedelic and then "almost solo" Beatles.
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Post by apbuitron on Apr 4, 2010 14:11:11 GMT -5
Add "She Said She Said" to that list and i'm convinced.
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Post by vectisfabber on Apr 4, 2010 17:14:45 GMT -5
...and, in the last 4 posts, we see why it is an impossible exercise...
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Post by apbuitron on Apr 4, 2010 18:04:33 GMT -5
What?
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Post by sayne on Apr 4, 2010 21:42:26 GMT -5
I mentioned this back when the new remastered CD's came out. For remixes, I'd like to be able to hear just the drums or just the vocals or just the bass or just the guitars. I know you couldn't really do it with the mono's, but I would find it fascinating to hear, say, just Paul's bass on Rain or just Ringo's drums on A Day in the Life. Hopefully, by the time remixes come around, the technology will be around to let the average person isolate what they want to hear.
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Post by jellyzero79 on Apr 5, 2010 1:47:12 GMT -5
Thanks you guys. When I thought about the fantasy 3 disc collection I was choosing obvious choices and, like many of you, there were songs I would like on it that didn't make the cut. Of course I love all the songs you all listed as well and had to throw off favorites of mine like "What You're Doing", "Oh! Darling", and "I'm So Tired" - but I was trying to choose what was the most likely (as well as some great overlooked tunes) and what would give the average listener a complete idea of the band. Also - I agree with "The End" being a strong contender/possibility for a project like this but for me it is not as good on it's own as it is with the rest of the medley. When McCartney plays it in concert it just seems out of place because there was nothing leading up to it. Just my opinion
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Post by lowbasso on Apr 5, 2010 11:15:13 GMT -5
I mentioned this back when the new remastered CD's came out. For remixes, I'd like to be able to hear just the drums or just the vocals or just the bass or just the guitars. I know you couldn't really do it with the mono's, but I would find it fascinating to hear, say, just Paul's bass on Rain or just Ringo's drums on A Day in the Life. Hopefully, by the time remixes come around, the technology will be around to let the average person isolate what they want to hear. Can't you already do that on the songs used in Beatles Rockband?
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Post by sayne on Apr 5, 2010 19:59:03 GMT -5
I mentioned this back when the new remastered CD's came out. For remixes, I'd like to be able to hear just the drums or just the vocals or just the bass or just the guitars. I know you couldn't really do it with the mono's, but I would find it fascinating to hear, say, just Paul's bass on Rain or just Ringo's drums on A Day in the Life. Hopefully, by the time remixes come around, the technology will be around to let the average person isolate what they want to hear. Can't you already do that on the songs used in Beatles Rockband? Oh, great. I'm still trying to master Pong.
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Post by beatleroadie on Apr 6, 2010 18:09:16 GMT -5
I just don't see Apple releasing the entire catalogue again in a remixed version. I would welcome that, but don't see it happening. I love the sound of the YS Songtrack. Anyway, what I think Apple might do in 2012 say, is a two disc set "The Beatles Singles," with all the tracks remixed. So you'd have every song that was an A-side in either England or the U.S. remixed for a contemporary balance of instruments. Maybe Giles Martin handling it. This would basically be an enhanced and extended replacement of the 1 album (which sold really well but is 10 yrs old).
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Post by beatleroadie on Apr 6, 2010 18:13:36 GMT -5
Man, Sayne you read my mind about the isolated parts, too. If Apple wanted to be really hip they'd release a single disc of vocals-only Beatles songs and let DJ's remixers and modern artists go crazy with adding their own instrumentation to the tracks...Think how much free publicity and interest from younger music listeners The Beatles would get this way..."Wait, who did the vocals on this new MGMT remix? The Beatles?!? I'll have to look into them!" ha ha
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Post by sayne on Apr 6, 2010 23:03:58 GMT -5
Man, Sayne you read my mind about the isolated parts, too. If Apple wanted to be really hip they'd release a single disc of vocals-only Beatles songs and let DJ's remixers and modern artists go crazy with adding their own instrumentation to the tracks...Think how much free publicity and interest from younger music listeners The Beatles would get this way..."Wait, who did the vocals on this new MGMT remix? The Beatles?!? I'll have to look into them!" ha ha Beautiful. Can you imagine someone taking the bass line to Something and writing a whole new song around it? The possibilities are endless. Look what The Verve did with the string arrangement of The Last Time - Bittersweet Symphony.
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Post by beatleroadie on Apr 7, 2010 20:21:19 GMT -5
If they would just relax a bit at Apple, they could do a "bonus" disc of isolated parts of songs as the third disc of my proposed BEATLES SINGLES set of remixes. That would really bump up the sales too.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Apr 7, 2010 21:45:49 GMT -5
Man, Sayne you read my mind about the isolated parts, too. If Apple wanted to be really hip they'd release a single disc of vocals-only Beatles songs and let DJ's remixers and modern artists go crazy with adding their own instrumentation to the tracks...Think how much free publicity and interest from younger music listeners The Beatles would get this way..."Wait, who did the vocals on this new MGMT remix? The Beatles?!? I'll have to look into them!" ha ha Beautiful. Can you imagine someone taking the bass line to Something and writing a whole new song around it? The possibilities are endless. Look what The Verve did with the string arrangement of The Last Time - Bittersweet Symphony. Yeah, until they got sued - and lost!
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Post by sayne on Apr 7, 2010 22:36:10 GMT -5
Beautiful. Can you imagine someone taking the bass line to Something and writing a whole new song around it? The possibilities are endless. Look what The Verve did with the string arrangement of The Last Time - Bittersweet Symphony. Yeah, until they got sued - and lost! They shoulda asked for permission. It was their fault.
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Post by beatleroadie on Apr 7, 2010 23:35:00 GMT -5
IIRC Ashcroft & Co. DID ask Andrew Loog Oldham for permission for the short sample of the string version of "The Last Time," he said NO, and they went and did it anyway. Pretty gutsy. Ironically, if they had never asked him about it, the Stones may have never known about it (being the more subtle "bed" orchestra progression and not the riff everyone remembers)...
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Post by sayne on Apr 8, 2010 15:48:32 GMT -5
IIRC Ashcroft & Co. DID ask Andrew Loog Oldham for permission for the short sample of the string version of "The Last Time," he said NO, and they went and did it anyway. Pretty gutsy. Ironically, if they had never asked him about it, the Stones may have never known about it (being the more subtle "bed" orchestra progression and not the riff everyone remembers)... It was a whole lot more than a short sample. Have you heard the entire sample? It not, go to YouTube and type in "The Last Time Bittersweet Symphony" or some variation and it will come up. It's actually pretty awesome. You don't hear the cool church bells in the Verve's recording. Ballsy? How about stupid, or expensive. Their problem was they were trying to make money off of it. If they had gone underground with it, satisfied that they had created simply an art piece, you're right, they might have gotten away with it. Money did them in.
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Post by beatleroadie on Apr 8, 2010 16:12:04 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not saying that I would have done it. But yeah, I think "gutsy" is the word I would use. I would never say that it was an artistically stupid decision. Maybe monetarily so, but I guess Ashcroft cared more about creating the song he wanted to create than changing it in order to make more money.
And it is kind of funny, considering just how many old blues songs have been ripped off by so many bands (Stones included) and how many hip hop and rap artists used things like the "Amen break" over and over, yet the Verve turn part of this orchestral piece into an absolutely brilliant song, but whatever. This isnt a Verve forum....
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Post by sayne on Apr 8, 2010 19:42:40 GMT -5
. . . And it is kind of funny, considering just how many old blues songs have been ripped off by so many bands (Stones included) and how many hip hop and rap artists used things like the "Amen break" over and over . . . You've got that right.
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Post by jellyzero79 on Apr 9, 2010 6:53:26 GMT -5
Speaking of the remixers and The Verve - has anyone seen the documentary "R.I.P - a remix manifesto"? It is really great and shows how the mash ups are made, interviews with the copyright office, and shows this sample of how music is ALWAYS stolen.
check out starting @ 3:11 - pretty amazing.
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Post by Beatle Bob on Apr 9, 2010 10:22:34 GMT -5
Improvements via remixes.... Mainly centered stereo mixes such as Rockband has given us. Regards, Beatle Bob
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