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Post by OldFred on Aug 15, 2008 6:11:03 GMT -5
Which do you think best captures the 1976 Wings tour, the film 'Rockshow' or the 3 LP/2 CD audio recording of 'Wings Over America'? For myself, while I find 'Rockshow' to be an exciting visual record of the concerts, I personally prefer listening to 'WOA' and just close my eyes and pretend I'm actually in the audience. Having attended one of the Madison Square Garden Wings' shows in 1976, I find the audio helps to stir up memories of the concert. I read somewhere that fans actually prefer listening to 'WOA' over watching 'Rockshow' for the same reasons. Any additional thoughts?   |
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Post by mikev on Aug 15, 2008 7:03:30 GMT -5
Since I haven't seen Rockshow in years- I would have to vote for WOA, although a remaster is LONG overdue, as is a 5:1 DVD of some nature.
Maybe all of the studio overdubs (I've read up to 50%)match badly with the actual performances?
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 15, 2008 9:25:05 GMT -5
Voted for Rockshow. It is a stirring film.
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Post by mikev on Aug 15, 2008 11:52:48 GMT -5
You need a category for other- meaning a new DVD/CD. The tour was extensively filmed and recorded. I'm sure there is a vault somewhere...next to the reels for the early 70s College Tour, the '74 European Tour and the '79 Tour.
...and somewhere on cassette are the three acoustic songs John and Paul rehearsed before considering taking a cab to NBC Studios to appear on Saturday Night Live (just kidding).
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Post by JCV on Aug 15, 2008 12:29:19 GMT -5
I went with "Wings Over America." I played the heck out of that album wishing I was at one of those concerts.  JCV  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 20:23:54 GMT -5
I went for Rockshow.I wish i could get a copy of it .It's a great show
with a great band....
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Post by JMG on Aug 16, 2008 13:51:45 GMT -5
Actually, I'm not going to vote for either, I want to see both released on DVD before I decide. Last night I watched disc three of 'The McCartney Years' (which I thought was excellent, BTW), what I saw of 'Rockshow' was great. On the other hand, it would be easy to vote for WOA due to how popular the LP was back in 1976, but that's not a DVD. I want to see the show, I want more, damn it!  ;D |
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Post by GeoffB on Aug 16, 2008 20:42:04 GMT -5
I'd like to see Rockshow presented with a new 5.1 remix or something like that. When I was a kid I heard rumors that Wings Over America had been extensively overdubbed in the studio before it was released, but it seems to me that those stories have been debunked. I may have that wrong, though.  |
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 18, 2008 2:57:52 GMT -5
I'm not going to vote for either, either. Wings Over America was one of the most anticipated records I ever bought, and completely brought back the excitement of attending that show at Wembley. And then the movie did the same thing later on, only visually.
Get on and let us have 5.1 remasters of both, fer heaven's sake!
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 25, 2013 7:21:16 GMT -5
March 23, 2013 -- BillboardBiz.com
"Wings Over America" reissue on the way
According to Billboard, Hear Records will release a reissue of "Wings Over America" in an 'elaborate package' on May 28th.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 25, 2013 10:18:36 GMT -5
What is Hear Records, Paul's new label? Does he own it? Were the other recent reissues starting with BOTR on Hear Records?
Dylan and Springsteeen do just fine on mainstream Columbia Records. It is weird for me to think of Paul on some little label but Capitol Records sure did not push Chaos and I read that ticked off Paul .
A remastered WOA will be cool!
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Post by coachbk on Mar 25, 2013 13:16:00 GMT -5
WINGS OVER AMERICA was huge for me. I was just getting to the point of going from Beatles fan to fanatic. That album was the first time I had ever heard "I've Just Seen A Face", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "Go Now" and all the non-hits from VENUS AND MARS. Within the next month or so I acquired RUBBER SOUL (the US album featuring "I've Just Seen A Face"). Within the next year I also picked up MCCARTNEY and VENUS AND MARS. So WOA helped greatly in moving along my Beatles knowledge.
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 28, 2013 0:28:25 GMT -5
Hot off the press......  |
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 28, 2013 7:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by mikev on Mar 28, 2013 8:46:06 GMT -5
Should be called Wings OverDUB America... and...no BONUS tracks??? Are you kidding me?? This was a TOUR!!!! |
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 28, 2013 16:46:34 GMT -5
Hot off the press...... I thought this was a gag ad. "Linda McCartney prototype meatless pie", "Piece of wood from flight case".... It's a joke. Right? |
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 28, 2013 19:31:49 GMT -5
So tell us all about the shite but don't tell us what's on the 5 CDs. Thanks.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 28, 2013 19:50:49 GMT -5
"Locks of Denny Laine's hair"? I know he had a lot of hair in '76, but how many of these do they expect to sell? About 50 - 60 or so?
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Post by nine on Mar 28, 2013 20:12:16 GMT -5
Since I haven't seen Rockshow in years- I would have to vote for WOA, although a remaster is LONG overdue, as is a 5:1 DVD of some nature. Maybe all of the studio overdubs (I've read up to 50%)match badly with the actual performances? I'm sure that there must be enough footage to get the synchs right, just a matter of someone sitting down with 100s of hours of footage and synching it. This tour was Paul's most triumphant and I am surprised it has never had the 'treatment.' |
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 28, 2013 21:25:57 GMT -5
Hot off the press...... I thought this was a gag ad. "Linda McCartney prototype meatless pie", "Piece of wood from flight case".... It's a joke. Right? lol.......... *Not real but good for a laugh*, was written on *Wings* facebook page, but WOA which will include the R/Show concert will be released by June of this year......Plus this year is also the release of Venus & Mars which is the next feature in the Archive Collection.......*Yes* (lol) From the net (true or untrue?).....  Bill King of Beatlefan just revealed that Hear Music is planning a "june-ish" release of the remastered "Wings Over America", and that it will include the "RockShow" concert film on DVD, as well as what's described as "far more bells and whistles" than any of the other Macca archive releases to date. King promises more details in Beatlefan/EXTRA! #317...From Jimmy McCulloch Facebook Page..... One of my contacts just received the WOA reissue cdrs to review and will be interviewing Paul within the next couple of weeks for one of the music magazines to discuss the reissue.Here is a kick-ass song from Paul..... Go Jimmy, rip into that guitar (what a legend.... )
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 28, 2013 21:40:35 GMT -5
What is Hear Records, Paul's new label? Does he own it? Were the other recent reissues starting with BOTR on Hear Records? Dylan and Springsteeen do just fine on mainstream Columbia Records. It is weird for me to think of Paul on some little label but Capitol Records sure did not push Chaos and I read that ticked off Paul . A remastered WOA will be cool! Wasn't Paul's last album (Kisses On The Backside...lol) released from Hear records?  |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 29, 2013 6:56:35 GMT -5
This may surprise some, but when the question arises of "Rockshow" or "Wings Over America", I say NEITHER. Paul may have been younger back then, but I much prefer his set lists from 1989 - Present.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 29, 2013 10:11:44 GMT -5
This may surprise some, but when the question arises of "Rockshow" or "Wings Over America", I say NEITHER. Paul may have been younger back then, but I much prefer his set lists from 1989 - Present. I kind of agree, but one's opinion can be changed or at least softened by a much better quality copy, which is what a remastering would give us. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 29, 2013 11:56:40 GMT -5
I am the opposite, I love that Paul did very few Beatles songs during WOA! It goes without saying that is when he was on fire with a viable solo recording career and spit out big hits. He didn't need dinosaur Beatles songs, or not a lot of them. Now Paul can't get a #1 even by going the oldies route(that has scored #1's for others) and releasing a song called "My Valentine" as a single on Valentine's Day! |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 29, 2013 15:17:48 GMT -5
I am the opposite, I love that Paul did very few Beatles songs during WOA! It goes without saying that is when he was on fire with a viable solo recording career and spit out big hits. He didn't need dinosaur Beatles songs, or not a lot of them. Now Paul can't get a #1 even by going the oldies route(that has scored #1's for others) and releasing a song called "My Valentine" as a single on Valentine's Day! No fair comparing Paul's youthful popularity when he was soaring high with WINGS in '76 to his solo elder years now. Of course Paul was on fire with a viable solo career in 1976 -- but don't you find it a little inconsistent that you're always against the "commercial Paul" of BAND ON THE RUN and SPEED OF SOUND? Aren't you always talking about the "JSD Postulate"? Where was TOO MANY PEOPLE in 1976, hmm? Where was THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING? By your own criteria these days, wouldn't you say that the Macca of 1976 was against everything you're standing for? Others have said he "found his commercial niche" in the mid-'70s, while you have said this was when he "sold out"! Perhaps you feel this way about "dinosaur beatles songs" now because it's gotten to the point of Beatles Overkill? I know I have had enough of the same old Beatles songs at this point, but wow - not in 1989. But I'm not even just talking about The Beatles --- Paul now does a wide array of stuff from his entire career. Of course, in 1976 Paul did not have as many solo years under his belt, but it seems he kept most of his '76 set list to SPEED OF SOUND, VENUS AND MARS, and BAND ON THE RUN. Think about it -- make up a list of the songs he performed in 1976 and then a list from 1989, 1990, 1993, 2005, 2011, etc, etc.. and honestly tell me that the songs are not more varied and interesting in more recent times than they ever were in 1976. I think fans get all caught up in Paul having been "Young Paul" in '76. So I ask you -- What songs was Paul performing in the 1976 Tour that are so ""exceptional" from what he's performed in 1989 - 2012? Everyone in '76 went crazy to hear Paul do YESTERDAY and LADY MADONNA (big deal). Now he does YESTERDAY and practically every other Beatles song ever recorded by him! |
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Post by RockoRoll on Mar 29, 2013 15:27:19 GMT -5
Inside sources have told Beatlefan (Facebook Page) that the formal announcement for the "Wings Over America" reissue will be coming in two weeks time, with the deluxe package weighing in at a whopping EIGHT LBS. The source indicated that "Rockshow" (which is also due for separate release) is included.
(One Postie's reply)........So that chunk of wood from the tour case must be pretty heavy....  
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 29, 2013 15:40:00 GMT -5
This may surprise some, but when the question arises of "Rockshow" or "Wings Over America", I say NEITHER. Paul may have been younger back then, but I much prefer his set lists from 1989 - Present. I kind of agree, but one's opinion can be changed or at least softened by a much better quality copy, which is what a remastering would give us. But I'm referring specifically to the choice of songs, not the quality of the performances (though actually, I sometimes think Paul was more tepid in the '76 shows, yes). |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 29, 2013 15:44:07 GMT -5
I kind of agree, but one's opinion can be changed or at least softened by a much better quality copy, which is what a remastering would give us. But I'm referring specifically to the choice of songs, not the quality of the performances (though actually, I sometimes think Paul was more tepid in the '76 shows, yes). I was referring to the choice of songs, too. I'm anxious to see the remastered "Rock Show." WOTW not so much, but because it'll be pretty close. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 29, 2013 18:54:53 GMT -5
No fair comparing Paul's youthful popularity when he was soaring high with WINGS in '76 to his solo elder years now. Of course Paul was on fire with a viable solo career in 1976 -- but don't you find it a little inconsistent that you're always against the "commercial Paul" of BAND ON THE RUN and SPEED OF SOUND? Aren't you always talking about the "JSD Postulate"? Where was TOO MANY PEOPLE in 1976, hmm? Where was THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING? By your own criteria these days, wouldn't you say that the Macca of 1976 was against everything you're standing for? Others have said he "found his commercial niche" in the mid-'70s, while you have said this was when he "sold out"! Perhaps you feel this way about "dinosaur beatles songs" now because it's gotten to the point of Beatles Overkill? I know I have had enough of the same old Beatles songs at this point, but wow - not in 1989. But I'm not even just talking about The Beatles --- Paul now does a wide array of stuff from his entire career. Of course, in 1976 Paul did not have as many solo years under his belt, but it seems he kept most of his '76 set list to SPEED OF SOUND, VENUS AND MARS, and BAND ON THE RUN. Think about it -- make up a list of the songs he performed in 1976 and then a list from 1989, 1990, 1993, 2005, 2011, etc, etc.. and honestly tell me that the songs are not more varied and interesting in more recent times than they ever were in 1976. I think fans get all caught up in Paul having been "Young Paul" in '76. So I ask you -- What songs was Paul performing in the 1976 Tour that are so ""exceptional" from what he's performed in 1989 - 2012? Everyone in '76 went crazy to hear Paul do YESTERDAY and LADY MADONNA (big deal). Now he does YESTERDAY and practically every other Beatles song ever recorded by him! lives! Paul sold out with BOTR and particularly phony concept album V & M! But I am a realist too and in 1976 Paul was among the hottest acts in the world and hot pop stars cannot go back three or four albums. Hot pop stars must play what is hot NOW! In 1976 BOTR, V & M and WSOS were hot as f-ing shit! Remember Joe, everyone but me hated Paul's first four solo albums, I recognize he couldn't play that stuff because the fans wanted his new stuff. That's what I have been fighting for 38 years now! Nonetheless, I am not an asswipe and in 1976 I'd want to see Paul even if he was playing his sell-out stuff because he was the hottest guy in the world and I wouldn't want to be left behind. I'd want to be in the "In-crowd" and in 1976 Paul was "In." Did you notice that The JSD Postulate era "Maybe I'm Amazed" was the hit single from WOA? I take a lot of credit for that, people were listening to me, but I'll never get that credit. Now Paul is such an oldie and moldie, I wear a bio-hazard suit to his concerts so the mold spores of his moldy setlist doesn't kill me!  JSD at July 31, 2011 Paul McCartney concert in Chicago! |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 29, 2013 20:04:57 GMT -5
The JSD Postulate lives! Paul sold out with BOTR and particularly phony concept album V & M! But I am a realist too and in 1976 Paul was among the hottest acts in the world and hot pop stars cannot go back three or four albums. Hot pop stars must play what is hot NOW! In 1976 BOTR, V & M and WSOS were hot as f-ing sh**t! Remember Joe, everyone but me hated Paul's first four solo albums, I recognize he couldn't play that stuff because the fans wanted his new stuff. That's what I have been fighting for 38 years now! Come on, JSD. You're making up excuses. I'm not talking about "Paul was a hot act!", and you have to be kidding yourself if you believe that in 1976 -- the biggest year of The Beatles Nostalgia -- fans "wanted his new stuff". I mean, sure they did because he had some recent hits -- but you don't think they would have went insane with joy if Paul had done THINGS WE SAID TODAY, I SAW HER STANDING THERE, PLEASE PLEASE ME, I'LL GET YOU, FOOL ON THE HILL, A DAY IN THE LIFE, PENNY LANE, WE CAN WORK IT OUT, FIXING A HOLE, HELTER SKELTER, YOU WON'T SEE ME, GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE, HELLO GOODBYE, SGT PEPPER, GET BACK, THE NIGHT BEFORE, ALL MY LOVING, BIRTHDAY, MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR, DRIVE MY CAR, I'VE GOT A FEELING, GOLDEN SLUMBERS, THE END.... and on and on and on and on? And he didn't JUST do "Beatles Songs" in these recent years, he gave us his NEWEST SONGS... and the other '70s biggies like MRS. VANDEBILT, BAND ON THE RUN, JET, 1985, MY LOVE, LET ME ROLL IT... as a matter of fact, Paul has done MORE songs from BOTR in recent years than he did in 1976! I am not talking about "being part of the 'In' Crowd". I am only talking about SONG SELECTIONS. Paul has performed a much wider variety of songs in his set list in recent times than he ever did in 1976. You're being ridiculous. Seriously, why do you act like this? You flop back and forth from damning Paul for selling out in '76, to now praising him in '76 and instead trashing him for being older and doing old classics. The fact is, Paul has given longer concerts in recent years, included MORE material from MANY eras, and has always put on a rather energetic show. So the only real thing I missed by not seeing Macca in 1976 was seeing him "In His Prime With The 'IN Crowd". I definitely would have liked to have seen him in 1976, but if I had to pick one or the other I am more grateful to have seen his greatly extensive array of great songs performed 1989-2012. |
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