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Post by brothermichael on Dec 23, 2010 8:52:05 GMT -5
Words do matter. A combination of education, effort, and empathy will allow one to communicate inoffensively. No, not necessarily. Because the people you're speaking to are all different and each has their own interpretations, personal baggage, and all other kinds of feelings and interpretations of words they hear. What is so hard to understand about this as common sense? According to your explanation, there is no common sense. So as you say later, "screw it."
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 23, 2010 17:58:04 GMT -5
That's because women are emotional , sexual creatures. They don't respond to logic. You need to be sassy, cocky and funny. Two guys saying the exact same words, one gets a fantastic response, the girl is all over him and the other guy is given the cold shoulder like some big loser. But y'see, my take is that eveyrone is an individual. I don't think "women" are all one way or another, just as I don't think "men" are all this way or that way.
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Post by cosmo on Dec 24, 2010 0:33:52 GMT -5
As I already stated ("neither should be called a groupie" -- see above), Yoko was clearly not a groupie in the grand scheme of things (that's rather obvious). My point is that if you're going to call May Pang a groupie based on her initial get-together with John, then you certainly have to call Yoko the same, as her actions were by far the more 'groupie-like' of the two (not to mention Yoko was about 14 years older than May when she did this). So, can we just resolve to call neither of them a "groupie"? Linda shouldn't be called a groupie either. Meeting people during the course of her job as a rock photographer and dating them, as most any red-blooded girl would have done given the mores of that time and the circumstances, does not make her a groupie. She didn't follow these people from city to city, concert to concert. She met them as a freelance photographer for Rolling Stone and this happened during the course of their work. It happens every day in Hollywood and its not confined to the entertainment history. Yes, she set her sights on Paul. Given her opportunity--since Paul was attracted to her--I don't begrudge her. Agree with this post! It irks me whenever I see Linda called a groupie. Also get annoyed when writers write nastily about her love life in between her marriages - ok for Paul to have slept around apparently, but not for her.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 24, 2010 6:19:09 GMT -5
It irks me whenever I see Linda called a groupie. Also get annoyed when writers write nastily about her love life in between her marriages - ok for Paul to have slept around apparently, but not for her. No double standards. It also irks me when people always pile on Yoko and call her all sorts of things, like a groupie among many. So as a result, I then feel we have to be honest and say we can say the same thing for Linda and her interest in Paul (and she admits she really liked John better, but she got Paul instead). I mean, here you are doing exactly the same thing yourself, aren't you? By asking how come it's ok for Paul but not Linda?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 4:22:08 GMT -5
Did May Pang ever marry after her and John went their seperate ways
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Post by gloi on Dec 28, 2010 5:25:07 GMT -5
Did May Pang ever marry after her and John went their seperate ways Yep. She was married to Toni Visconti from about 1989 - 2000 and had 2 children with him.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 28, 2010 7:17:47 GMT -5
Her and Mary Hopkin? Did Visconti have a thing for Beatle-relevant womern?
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 28, 2010 23:53:32 GMT -5
Did May Pang ever marry after her and John went their seperate ways Yep. She was married to Toni Visconti from about 1989 - 2000 and had 2 children with him. Well that is nice, that May got married and had children meaning I thought that she always carried the torch for John so with his death that would mean a life of memories only. I didn't know that so thanks gloi. I haven't really dug into my Xmas present of Instamatic Karma and maybe there is some info on her in the jacket or epilogue.
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Post by OldFred on Dec 29, 2010 7:42:54 GMT -5
Yep. She was married to Toni Visconti from about 1989 - 2000 and had 2 children with him. Well that is nice, that May got married and had children meaning I thought that she always carried the torch for John so with his death that would mean a life of memories only. I didn't know that so thanks gloi. I haven't really dug into my Xmas present of Instamatic Karma and maybe there is some info on her in the jacket or epilogue. You'll love May's book, Johnny. Lots of great photos, including the ones with John and Paul together, and the poignant photo of John in the process of signing the papers that legally dissolved the Beatles.
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Post by cosmo on Jan 1, 2011 0:53:56 GMT -5
It irks me whenever I see Linda called a groupie. Also get annoyed when writers write nastily about her love life in between her marriages - ok for Paul to have slept around apparently, but not for her. No double standards. It also irks me when people always pile on Yoko and call her all sorts of things, like a groupie among many. So as a result, I then feel we have to be honest and say we can say the same thing for Linda and her interest in Paul (and she admits she really liked John better, but she got Paul instead). I mean, here you are doing exactly the same thing yourself, aren't you? By asking how come it's ok for Paul but not Linda? Maybe you missed my point? I DON'T believe in double standards, and it always bugs me when women are labeled with the "s" word when men who behave the same way are not. I was trying to point out the irony of Linda being denigrated for her few affairs, and Paul not for all of his.
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Post by historywak on Jan 1, 2011 12:02:43 GMT -5
Anyone who's read the John Lennon Anthology booklet certainly can see a pattern when it comes to this sort of thing when it comes to affairs and such.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 2, 2011 7:46:01 GMT -5
No double standards. It also irks me when people always pile on Yoko and call her all sorts of things, like a groupie among many. So as a result, I then feel we have to be honest and say we can say the same thing for Linda and her interest in Paul (and she admits she really liked John better, but she got Paul instead). I mean, here you are doing exactly the same thing yourself, aren't you? By asking how come it's ok for Paul but not Linda? Maybe you missed my point? I DON'T believe in double standards, and it always bugs me when women are labeled with the "s" word when men who behave the same way are not. I was trying to point out the irony of Linda being denigrated for her few affairs, and Paul not for all of his. OK, I read you on the double standards thing about Paul and men in general. But you gave TWO opinions: I basically reacted to #1.
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