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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 14, 2011 0:15:35 GMT -5
In "IMAGINE-The Movie", George and John have a conversation over a meal, just before the How Do You Sleep recording.
It goes like this:
John And here's a Beatle wife fixing the tea for one of the Fab Four ex-Beatles George interrupts Fab Three John chuckles Fab Three! George I see Beatle Bill's been making a pig of himself John You see much of The Beatles these days? George I saw Beatle Ed John How was he? George He's alright, but he was just going off on a tour John Beatle Ed's not doing so well these days is he? George He's #5 in Sweden. John Sweden, I see (winks at camera)
This "transcript" may not be exactly correct (I did it years ago). But it's certainly the essence.
What I'd like to know is: Who are Beatle Bill and Beatle Ed? I think it's clear Ed is Paul, but I may be wrong. Beatle Bill I have no idea of.
What do people think -- who are Ed and Bill?
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Post by beatleroadie on Jan 14, 2011 0:25:54 GMT -5
I always thought "Beatle Bill" was just George was making fun of Phil Spector for having lots of food on his plate or something like that. But I haven't seen the movie in a while.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 14, 2011 0:26:15 GMT -5
In "IMAGINE-The Movie", George and John have a conversation over a meal, just before the How Do You Sleep recording. It goes like this: John And here's a Beatle wife fixing the tea for one of the Fab Four ex-Beatles George interrupts Fab Three John chuckles Fab Three! George I see Beatle Bill's been making a pig of himself John You see much of The Beatles these days? George I saw Beatle Ed John How was he? George He's alright, but he was just going off on a tour John Beatle Ed's not doing so well these days is he? George He's #5 in Sweden. John Sweden, I see (winks at camera)This "transcript" may not be exactly correct (I did it years ago). But it's certainly the essence. What I'd like to know is: Who are Beatle Bill and Beatle Ed? I think it's clear Ed is Paul, but I may be wrong. Beatle Bill I have no idea of. What do people think -- who are Ed and Bill? McCabe I agree with you that I think Ed is Paul. Weren't John and George about to record the song "How Do You Sleep" at that moment? George may be making fun of John at the breakfast table and is referring to him when he says Beatle Bill. Or perhaps Phil Spector, who was eating with them that morning. Can't remember how much food they had in front of themselves in the film. Though George was stuffing his face with toast as he made the remark. I can't recall why he would be referencing Ringo as Beatle Bill as I am not sure what Ringo was up to at that moment in time. Could Beatle Bill be a reference to Allen Klein at that time? Wasn't he still handling George & John's Beatle business at that time? I would go with Bill being either John, Spector, or Klein.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 14, 2011 1:08:09 GMT -5
LOL, I am glad that you have asked this Sir Joe because I have been curious for years about this exchange too but afraid to ask, thinking that I may be missing something obvious! McCabe does not miss the obvious! This exchange between John and George shows how well these guys all knew each other and how in-tune they were to in-house humor! I too suspect that Paul bears the brunt of the joke but it is still a fascinating exchange between two legends!
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Post by nine on Jan 14, 2011 1:43:56 GMT -5
This thing is just off the top of their heads.... Bill is probably Ed... the joke becomes more refined as they speak... Bill and Ed are Paul.... I reckon.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 14, 2011 6:19:28 GMT -5
I've always heard the name in the exchange as "Beatle Phil", and always naturally felt they were referring to Phil Spector. Phi Spector is eating breakfast with them, and George looks at him and jokes "I see Beatle Phil's making a pig of himself". Yes, I think John and George were making fun of Paul by referring to him as "Beatle Ed".
Look --- even the best of friends have their moments of feuding. It is no big deal that during this period of 1971 there was a time where the former Beatle Buds were having a temporary rift. All that matters in the end is that everyone was together again and loving, and much to Paul's credit, he always handled this stuff well. I have to say that McCartney has always came off as "above it all", and has never seemed in any way upset; he has always remained professional, and what's more, he went on to have more success as a solo artist than either John or George. Paul seemed self-confident and assured of his own talents, and immune to John's digs. In November 1980, Paul was on a NY tv show and when the host tells him John just accused Paul of having his "last gasp" with THE LONG & WINDING ROAD, Paul just admirably shrugs it off and says "Well, I don't think I've had my last gasp".
So in all fairness, when we see John Lennon winking at the camera in his home footage and making fun of Paul in song, it may have been suitable at the time, but look at it this way -- John was the one who went on to a solo career that was less than Paul's, and John wound up dead at 40. Now, I know that that is upsetting to state, but my point is that John looks foolish when we watch this anti-Paul footage in retrospect. So don't let it bug those of you who are so upset about HOW DO YOU SLEEP.
In the end, Paul and George remained good friends, and Paul was there at George's bedside when he was dying, holding his hand. John and Paul were patching things up at the end in phone calls, and John refers to Paul as a "brother" in the last impromptu in-studio video interview captured on videocam.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 14, 2011 6:27:00 GMT -5
I've always heard the name in the exchange as "Beatle Phil", and always naturally felt they were referring to Phil Spector. Phi Spector is eating breakfast with them, and George looks at him and jokes "I see Beatle Phil's making a pig of himself". Yes, I think John and George were making fun of Paul by referring to him as "Beatle Ed". Look --- even the best of friends have their moments of feuding. It is no big deal that during this period of 1971 there was a time where the former Beatle Buds were having a temporary rift. All that matters in the end is that everyone was together again and loving, and much to Paul's credit, he always handled this stuff well. I have to say that McCartney has always came off as "above it all", and has never seemed in any way upset; he has always remained professional, and what's more, he went on to have more success as a solo artist than either John or George. Paul seemed self-confident and assured of his own talents, and immune to John's digs. In November 1980, Paul was on a NY tv show and when the host tells him John just accused Paul of having his "last gasp" with THE LONG & WINDING ROAD, Paul just admirably shrugs it off and says "Well, I don't think I've had my last gasp". So in all fairness, when we see John Lennon winking at the camera in his home footage and making fun of Paul in song, it may have been suitable at the time, but look at it this way -- John was the one who went on to a solo career that was less than Paul's, and John wound up dead at 40. Now, I know that that is upsetting to state, but my point is that John looks foolish when we watch this anti-Paul footage in retrospect. So don't let it bug those of you who are so upset about HOW DO YOU SLEEP. In the end, Paul and George remained good friends, and Paul was there at George's bedside when he was dying, holding his hand. John and Paul were patching things up at the end in phone calls, and John refers to Paul as a "brother" in the last impromptu in-studio video interview captured on videocam. Very nice post Joe, now ya don't have to reply to me (other thread)......
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Post by Jason I on Jan 14, 2011 13:38:46 GMT -5
Yeah like everyone's said, Beatle Bill is Phil. I don't think they're really making fun of Paul btw, seems quite loveable actually. A good old fashioned piece of british piss-taking out of an old mate
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 14, 2011 14:29:35 GMT -5
In "IMAGINE-The Movie", George and John have a conversation over a meal, just before the How Do You Sleep recording. It goes like this: John And here's a Beatle wife fixing the tea for one of the Fab Four ex-Beatles George interrupts Fab Three John chuckles Fab Three! George I see Beatle Bill's been making a pig of himself John You see much of The Beatles these days? George I saw Beatle Ed John How was he? George He's alright, but he was just going off on a tour John Beatle Ed's not doing so well these days is he? George He's #5 in Sweden. John Sweden, I see (winks at camera)This "transcript" may not be exactly correct (I did it years ago). But it's certainly the essence. What I'd like to know is: Who are Beatle Bill and Beatle Ed? I think it's clear Ed is Paul, but I may be wrong. Beatle Bill I have no idea of. What do people think -- who are Ed and Bill? McCabe If George was referring to Spector, I guess we should all be glad Phil wasn't "packing a piece" that day....... He probably went home and took it out on Ronnie....
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 14, 2011 15:05:52 GMT -5
I've always heard the name in the exchange as "Beatle Phil", and always naturally felt they were referring to Phil Spector. Phi Spector is eating breakfast with them, and George looks at him and jokes "I see Beatle Phil's making a pig of himself". Yes, I think John and George were making fun of Paul by referring to him as "Beatle Ed". Look --- even the best of friends have their moments of feuding. It is no big deal that during this period of 1971 there was a time where the former Beatle Buds were having a temporary rift. All that matters in the end is that everyone was together again and loving, and much to Paul's credit, he always handled this stuff well. I have to say that McCartney has always came off as "above it all", and has never seemed in any way upset; he has always remained professional, and what's more, he went on to have more success as a solo artist than either John or George. Paul seemed self-confident and assured of his own talents, and immune to John's digs. In November 1980, Paul was on a NY tv show and when the host tells him John just accused Paul of having his "last gasp" with THE LONG & WINDING ROAD, Paul just admirably shrugs it off and says "Well, I don't think I've had my last gasp". So in all fairness, when we see John Lennon winking at the camera in his home footage and making fun of Paul in song, it may have been suitable at the time, but look at it this way -- John was the one who went on to a solo career that was less than Paul's, and John wound up dead at 40. Now, I know that that is upsetting to state, but my point is that John looks foolish when we watch this anti-Paul footage in retrospect. So don't let it bug those of you who are so upset about HOW DO YOU SLEEP. In the end, Paul and George remained good friends, and Paul was there at George's bedside when he was dying, holding his hand. John and Paul were patching things up at the end in phone calls, and John refers to Paul as a "brother" in the last impromptu in-studio video interview captured on videocam. Great post Joe. Right on the mark. John and Paul were "ok with it" by early 1972. John talked about it on the Tomorrow Show when he said he talked with Paul and they made their peace regarding the lyrics to that song. John talked about it on the Mike Douglas show in Feb. 1972 when he said he and Paul had met for lunch or dinner and discussed HDYS and Paul's truce song Dear Friend and they decided to call a truce and put it aside. That is when the snyping ended and they went on with life. Unfortunately, some non-Beatles fans glom onto that film or those lines and believe John believed them till the day he died which is not true. It left Paul at a disadvantage in this regard. Even though John tried to clear it up and said it was written in a moment of anger, to this day many so called fans still don't get it. They use it as a reason to hate Paul and to ridicule him becasue John and George by implication were doing it. Paul was the hated one in their eyes. Many of them think he was the only reason the group broke up.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 14, 2011 15:19:55 GMT -5
I've always heard the name in the exchange as "Beatle Phil", and always naturally felt they were referring to Phil Spector. Phi Spector is eating breakfast with them, and George looks at him and jokes "I see Beatle Phil's making a pig of himself". Yes, I think John and George were making fun of Paul by referring to him as "Beatle Ed". Yes, I wondered whether they said Beatle Phil, rather than Beatle Bill. It certainly fits the line "making a pig of himself" - Spector seems to be having trouble with the food ... McCabe
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 14, 2011 15:22:38 GMT -5
I don't think they're really making fun of Paul btw, seems quite loveable actually. A good old fashioned piece of british piss-taking out of an old mate You are joking, surely ... The whole feel of the remarks about Beatle Ed - both verbal & non-verbal - is one of contempt. No, Beatle Ed was not a favorite then ... McCabe
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 14, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5
I don't think they're really making fun of Paul btw, seems quite loveable actually. A good old fashioned piece of british piss-taking out of an old mate You are joking, surely ... The whole feel of the remarks about Beatle Ed - both verbal & non-verbal - is one of contempt. No, Beatle Ed was not a favorite then ... McCabe Paul had just sued them, and as it turned out, for their own good I might add. I talk about it in the Imagine vs. BTTE thread.
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Post by Jason I on Jan 14, 2011 16:33:15 GMT -5
I don't think they're really making fun of Paul btw, seems quite loveable actually. A good old fashioned piece of british piss-taking out of an old mate You are joking, surely ... The whole feel of the remarks about Beatle Ed - both verbal & non-verbal - is one of contempt. No, Beatle Ed was not a favorite then ... McCabe Maybe I need to see it again, but I honestly didn't pick up any contempt from their comments. Just sounds like improvised banter over breakfast. I do wonder if perhaps this is a cultural difference at work here, I have scousers in my family and you get mickey taking like that all the time and generally it never means contempt. I could be completely wrong, but that's my read on it from what I remember.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Jan 14, 2011 16:50:39 GMT -5
You are joking, surely ... The whole feel of the remarks about Beatle Ed - both verbal & non-verbal - is one of contempt. No, Beatle Ed was not a favorite then ... McCabe Maybe I need to see it again, but I honestly didn't pick up any contempt from their comments. Just sounds like improvised banter over breakfast. I do wonder if perhaps this is a cultural difference at work here, I have scousers in my family and you get mickey taking like that all the time and generally it never means contempt. I could be completely wrong, but that's my read on it from what I remember. I am well aware of the nature and purpose of piss-taking, & its signs in several different cultures, Jason. However, the body language, and speech tones, of John and George show clearly their contempt for the hapless Ed. McCabe
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Post by acebackwords on Jan 14, 2011 18:26:33 GMT -5
I still don't see why people are so upset over How Do You Sleep. The greatness of the Beatles music was their ability to tap into all the emotions. Including hatred. As John once explained: "I was just using my resentment towards Paul to write a song." Is there anything more universal and primal than hatred? And especially of the "lover scorned" variety?
I mean, How Do You Sleep is just as valid as the love John expressed towards Paul a few years later at the Elton John concert when he introduced one of Paul's song "I Saw Her Standing There" as by a "former fiancee" of his.
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 14, 2011 21:50:00 GMT -5
I've always heard the name in the exchange as "Beatle Phil", and always naturally felt they were referring to Phil Spector. Phi Spector is eating breakfast with them, and George looks at him and jokes "I see Beatle Phil's making a pig of himself". Yes, I think John and George were making fun of Paul by referring to him as "Beatle Ed". Look --- even the best of friends have their moments of feuding. It is no big deal that during this period of 1971 there was a time where the former Beatle Buds were having a temporary rift. All that matters in the end is that everyone was together again and loving, and much to Paul's credit, he always handled this stuff well. I have to say that McCartney has always came off as "above it all", and has never seemed in any way upset; he has always remained professional, and what's more, he went on to have more success as a solo artist than either John or George. Paul seemed self-confident and assured of his own talents, and immune to John's digs. In November 1980, Paul was on a NY tv show and when the host tells him John just accused Paul of having his "last gasp" with THE LONG & WINDING ROAD, Paul just admirably shrugs it off and says "Well, I don't think I've had my last gasp". So in all fairness, when we see John Lennon winking at the camera in his home footage and making fun of Paul in song, it may have been suitable at the time, but look at it this way -- John was the one who went on to a solo career that was less than Paul's, and John wound up dead at 40. Now, I know that that is upsetting to state, but my point is that John looks foolish when we watch this anti-Paul footage in retrospect. So don't let it bug those of you who are so upset about HOW DO YOU SLEEP. In the end, Paul and George remained good friends, and Paul was there at George's bedside when he was dying, holding his hand. John and Paul were patching things up at the end in phone calls, and John refers to Paul as a "brother" in the last impromptu in-studio video interview captured on videocam. Well said JoeK, you've nailed it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 15, 2011 8:04:47 GMT -5
Great post Joe. Right on the mark. RTP, I'm glad you read my post because I knew you would appreciate that I put aside my preference for John and called a spade a spade here, by complimenting Paul's professional and self-confident way of dealing with John's digs at him. I also said that John can appear foolish now in retrospect when he once made his inaccurate "predictions" about Paul's potential, and so forth... But what continues to confound me is how you ALWAYS go on to defend Paul or to somehow make him unfairly maligned. Consider your comments here: Why do you always have to get back to defending Paul and saying he's always bashed/hated/misunderstood? I see it as quite the opposite, actually -- most fans seem to be pissed at Lennon for "being so mean and nasty to poor Paul in HDYS". So who is the one who is disliked here and misunderstood? I think it's Lennon who often gets slammed by fans for this song, and Paul who is viewed as the innocent bystander who was unfairly attacked out in the open. If anything, it is JOHN who gets the disapproval here, and fans continually misunderstand his temporary resentment at Paul. Look at how much dislike there is right here on this board for HDYS, and disapproval of John for doing such a song. I don't believe this at all. I would challenge your remark here. I don't know of ANY Beatle fans who think Paul is the reaosn the Beatles broke up! Come on, now! If anything, they blame Yoko Ono as the reason for the split, but Paul? ? He tried hard to keep the band together in the midst of all the discontent.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 15, 2011 10:52:08 GMT -5
Great post Joe. Right on the mark. I don't believe this at all. I would challenge your remark here. I don't know of ANY Beatle fans who think Paul is the reaosn the Beatles broke up! Come on, now! If anything, they blame Yoko Ono as the reason for the split, but Paul? ? He tried hard to keep the band together in the midst of all the discontent. Actually, I have read at least one article where the author blamed Paul for the breakup, citing the "self-interview" on the "McCartney" album and Paul's subsequent lawsuit, whereas John, George, and Ringo had all said in interviews prior to the "McCartney" album that the Beatles "may" be getting back together, but never afterwards. If I come across it I'll try to post the link.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 15, 2011 14:40:14 GMT -5
Great post Joe. Right on the mark. RTP, I'm glad you read my post because I knew you would appreciate that I put aside my preference for John and called a spade a spade here, by complimenting Paul's professional and self-confident way of dealing with John's digs at him. I also said that John can appear foolish now in retrospect when he once made his inaccurate "predictions" about Paul's potential, and so forth... But what continues to confound me is how you ALWAYS go on to defend Paul or to somehow make him unfairly maligned. Consider your comments here: Why do you always have to get back to defending Paul and saying he's always bashed/hated/misunderstood? I see it as quite the opposite, actually -- most fans seem to be pissed at Lennon for "being so mean and nasty to poor Paul in HDYS". So who is the one who is disliked here and misunderstood? I think it's Lennon who often gets slammed by fans for this song, and Paul who is viewed as the innocent bystander who was unfairly attacked out in the open. If anything, it is JOHN who gets the disapproval here, and fans continually misunderstand his temporary resentment at Paul. Look at how much dislike there is right here on this board for HDYS, and disapproval of John for doing such a song. I don't believe this at all. I would challenge your remark here. I don't know of ANY Beatle fans who think Paul is the reaosn the Beatles broke up! Come on, now! If anything, they blame Yoko Ono as the reason for the split, but Paul? ? He tried hard to keep the band together in the midst of all the discontent. Joe you know there are some younger fans who are not as knowledgeable about the Beatles history. Remember Paul announced his break from the group. For some that will always be a reason to dislike him. I appreciate your calling a spade a spade and conceding that HDYS has overall not helped John. But there are some who are stuck on the words of that song and to this day believe that John believed those words. They think it was cool of John to write a put down song and enforce the idea that Paul is the opposite of cool. I don't think John believed what was said or implied in that song. I am pointing out that it damaged Paul in some people's eyes. Yes it damaged John in some people's eyes too. I see the interviews where he talks about it and he is contrite and said he and Paul settled it and they were past it. I believe him and I don't hold it against John. I feel a little more let down by George, who was brought into the group by his friend Paul, being involved in this attitude. I don't know if George ever walked back some this foolishness in interviews. But you're right. John was hurt by it more than Paul.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 15, 2011 14:55:07 GMT -5
Joe you know there are some younger fans who are not as knowledgeable about the Beatles history. Remember Paul announced his break from the group. For some that will always be a reason to dislike him. But that is their perogative, isn't it? People are free to dislike Paul because they feel he was the one who announced the break from the group. I think you're trying to make everyone love Paul and think he can do no wrong, but this will never be possible. People may believe George was instrumental in the breakup because he wanted more songs on albums, or whatever they feel. Many people already feel it was all Yoko, or predominantly. Did I say that? If I did, hold on. I still think there will be those of us who liked that John did HDYS at that time. I think it's a pro for Lennon rather than a con, for 1971. Well, once again people may think of Paul as they please. I've always said that Paul is not as "cool" as John at all, and I would have believed that even if there had never been a song called HDYS. It's in Paul's ways, his types of songs, etc. I don't think some fans need John Lennon to make them feel McCartney is less than cool. I also think that John believed some of what he said when he wrote HDYS.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jan 15, 2011 17:26:26 GMT -5
Lookie, Paul wanted to use the split to sell some records and make a point, he deserves what he gets.
Frankly, even tho it was John that broke the group up, Paul's overbearingness clearly helped make the breakup happen. In my opinion, Paul skirts more of the blame than he actually deserves.
In the end it doesn't matter, but if he didn't want to be blamed for the breakup perhaps Paul could have taken different actions here. Like leave out the self-interview in the McCartney LP. Or perhaps recommend a manager that isn't related to his wife, so they could alll agree on that. Remember, Paul was every bit as fixed on the Eastmans as the other 3 were on Klein, and which manager was bound to be more objective?
All I'm saying, you can love him all you want but anyone who has at least a brief knowledge of the facts will realize there's blame to be fairly shared all around. Paul has earned his, as has John.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 15, 2011 18:24:05 GMT -5
Lookie, Paul wanted to use the split to sell some records and make a point, he deserves what he gets. Frankly, even tho it was John that broke the group up, Paul's overbearingness clearly helped make the breakup happen. In my opinion, Paul skirts more of the blame than he actually deserves. In the end it doesn't matter, but if he didn't want to be blamed for the breakup perhaps Paul could have taken different actions here. Like leave out the self-interview in the McCartney LP. Or perhaps recommend a manager that isn't related to his wife, so they could alll agree on that. Remember, Paul was every bit as fixed on the Eastmans as the other 3 were on Klein, and which manager was bound to be more objective? All I'm saying, you can love him all you want but anyone who has at least a brief knowledge of the facts will realize there's blame to be fairly shared all around. Paul has earned his, as has John. I agree with this. Paul was not the sole culprit the Rock Press portrayed him as in breaking up the Beatles but his hands in no way were spotless clean! That self-interview for McCartney was so slimey. It was awful of Paul.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jan 15, 2011 20:48:35 GMT -5
I think you and I must have read different interviews, John.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 16, 2011 0:51:35 GMT -5
Lookie, Paul wanted to use the split to sell some records and make a point, he deserves what he gets. Frankly, even tho it was John that broke the group up, Paul's overbearingness clearly helped make the breakup happen. In my opinion, Paul skirts more of the blame than he actually deserves. In the end it doesn't matter, but if he didn't want to be blamed for the breakup perhaps Paul could have taken different actions here. Like leave out the self-interview in the McCartney LP. Or perhaps recommend a manager that isn't related to his wife, so they could alll agree on that. Remember, Paul was every bit as fixed on the Eastmans as the other 3 were on Klein, and which manager was bound to be more objective? All I'm saying, you can love him all you want but anyone who has at least a brief knowledge of the facts will realize there's blame to be fairly shared all around. Paul has earned his, as has John. I agree with this. Paul was not the sole culprit the Rock Press portrayed him as in breaking up the Beatles but his hands in no way were spotless clean! That self-interview for McCartney was so slimey. It was awful of Paul. Slimy? Blimey! What were you reading that was so slimy? Paul called John the day before and told him how he felt about the group. John knew what was coming and by the way they deserved it because of the way Paul was treated by his "friends"--his "brothers". They stabbed him in the back. And as for Klein and the Eastmans, it is a myth to say Paul was insisting on the Eastmans. He wasn't. He insisted that Klein not be his manager and the Eastmans filled the void when they could not agree. Even Neil Aspinall said in Anthology that Paul never offered the Eastmans as the Beatles manager in the same way that Epstein and later Klein would manage them. The Eastmans took care of Paul's investments and did a damn good job. What did Klein do except steal from them and cause their breakup.
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Post by wooltonian on Jan 16, 2011 4:03:25 GMT -5
The best start to a post I have read in years! RTP, you're a poetic genius!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 16, 2011 5:18:31 GMT -5
Lookie, Paul wanted to use the split to sell some records and make a point, he deserves what he gets. Frankly, even tho it was John that broke the group up, Paul's overbearingness clearly helped make the breakup happen. In my opinion, Paul skirts more of the blame than he actually deserves. In the end it doesn't matter, but if he didn't want to be blamed for the breakup perhaps Paul could have taken different actions here. Like leave out the self-interview in the McCartney LP. Or perhaps recommend a manager that isn't related to his wife, so they could alll agree on that. Remember, Paul was every bit as fixed on the Eastmans as the other 3 were on Klein, and which manager was bound to be more objective? All I'm saying, you can love him all you want but anyone who has at least a brief knowledge of the facts will realize there's blame to be fairly shared all around. Paul has earned his, as has John. I agree with this. Paul was not the sole culprit the Rock Press portrayed him as in breaking up the Beatles but his hands in no way were spotless clean! That self-interview for McCartney was so slimey. It was awful of Paul. Agreed, agreed. Good points. Yes, that self-interview was slimey.
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Post by RockoRoll on Jan 16, 2011 7:53:03 GMT -5
I agree with this. Paul was not the sole culprit the Rock Press portrayed him as in breaking up the Beatles but his hands in no way were spotless clean! That self-interview for McCartney was so slimey. It was awful of Paul. Agreed, agreed. Good points. Yes, that self-interview was slimey. lol, and I used to call Paul's hit are few years ago *Fine Slime*....Nahh, you mean to tell me he was a Slime back then as well...Come on be nice, he can be a little tight (sometimes.. ..)after stopping the limo near a dump master one day, in search of a piece of wood he was after, (the look on Heather Mills...lol), but no he's not a Slime ask JSD, He's a Gentleman......
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Post by Jason I on Jan 16, 2011 13:01:43 GMT -5
The best start to a post I have read in years! RTP, you're a poetic genius! LOL
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jan 16, 2011 19:20:11 GMT -5
I agree with this. Paul was not the sole culprit the Rock Press portrayed him as in breaking up the Beatles but his hands in no way were spotless clean! That self-interview for McCartney was so slimey. It was awful of Paul. Agreed, agreed. Good points. Yes, that self-interview was slimey. If that short harmless interview was slimy, then John's 1970 Rolling Stone interview was a cesspit.
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