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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 29, 2012 6:34:53 GMT -5
I've gotten to really like ANTHEM a lot myself. Especially the part where Ringo starts in with the "We know, we know..." .
RINGO 2012 is a fine Ringo album.
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Post by theman on Mar 3, 2012 21:51:41 GMT -5
Well, I finally received my copy of Ringo 2012 and it is quite disappointing and disposable.
Only nine tracks?!?!!? I hope he doesn't release a "Bonus Edition" as that would be the height of trying to manipulate the limited number of Ringo buyers that still exist out there.
"Anthem" is just a weak rehash of some of his other recent album openers (all fairly weak as well, since I really can't remember any of them).
"In Liverpool" is a bad re-write of "Liverpool 8". Is he that scarred from the backlash of what he said about his old hometown, that he now reverts to having a Liverpool themed song on every album since?
"Step Lightly" takes a perfectly nice and charming song from "Ringo", and transforms it into a song with no charm at all. He rushes through this song as if he realized what he was doing and just wanted to get it over with.
That being said, there are three tracks that I do like so it's not a total loss:
"Wings"--Nicely done, updating this from its' dated, 70s arrangement (although I always liked the original as well). Maybe Ringo should record an album of some of his more obscure, but deserving, songs to see if he can rehabilitate them (but if "Step Lightly" is going to be the typical result, maybe not).
"Think It Over"--Love this version of a great Buddy tune. The rollicking organ is neat. Perhaps Ringo should do a full album of '50s covers.
"Rock Island Line"--Ditto!
Sorry, but this just feels like someone playing out the string.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 5, 2012 0:32:52 GMT -5
Well, I finally received my copy of Ringo 2012 and it is quite disappointing and disposable. Only nine tracks?!?!!? I hope he doesn't release a "Bonus Edition" as that would be the height of trying to manipulate the limited number of Ringo buyers that still exist out there. "Anthem" is just a weak rehash of some of his other recent album openers (all fairly weak as well, since I really can't remember any of them). "In Liverpool" is a bad re-write of "Liverpool 8". Is he that scarred from the backlash of what he said about his old hometown, that he now reverts to having a Liverpool themed song on every album since? "Step Lightly" takes a perfectly nice and charming song from "Ringo", and transforms it into a song with no charm at all. He rushes through this song as if he realized what he was doing and just wanted to get it over with. That being said, there are three tracks that I do like so it's not a total loss: "Wings"--Nicely done, updating this from its' dated, 70s arrangement (although I always liked the original as well). Maybe Ringo should record an album of some of his more obscure, but deserving, songs to see if he can rehabilitate them (but if "Step Lightly" is going to be the typical result, maybe not). "Think It Over"--Love this version of a great Buddy tune. The rollicking organ is neat. Perhaps Ringo should do a full album of '50s covers. "Rock Island Line"--Ditto! Sorry, but this just feels like someone playing out the string. Good post, theman, although you are more generous than I am. My main point in responding is that I am so in agreement with you on the completely unnecessary cover of "Step Lightly." That song was charming on RINGO and now is not charming. Will Ringo "2013" have another Liverpool song?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 5, 2012 6:25:51 GMT -5
My main point in responding is that I am so in agreement with you on the completely unnecessary cover of "Step Lightly." That song was charming on RINGO and now is not charming. I don't care for the new STEP LIGHTLY either. But I do love the new WINGS, which ranks for me as one of Starr's best. So in a rare case here, I'll see the glass as half-full. If it's as good as LIVERPOOL 8 and THE OTHER SIDE OF LIVERPOOL, I do hope so.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 5, 2012 6:31:00 GMT -5
Well, I finally received my copy of Ringo 2012 and it is quite disappointing and disposable. Sounds like my feeling on a lot of Paul's new albums over the decades. That is, until I played them enough to get to enjoy them (same with Ringo sometimes). Consider that a good thing. Less tracks for you to "dispose" of. Play 'em more. You may come to recall them. But on the glass half-full side, if WINGS is going to be the typical result, maybe. Sounds like Ringo Starr from Day One.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 6:39:13 GMT -5
Thought i might try and acquire all of Ringo's albums so that i can listen to his full recording career in the correct order and then pass judgement........initial mission underway....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 6:14:08 GMT -5
Would this list be considered to be all of Ringo's studio albums....
Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not Ringo 2012
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 7, 2012 6:53:46 GMT -5
I don't know if you want to count I WANNA BE SANTA CLAUS....?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 6:55:44 GMT -5
I don't know if you want to count I WANNA BE SANTA CLAUS....? I may as well take the full whack..... ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 7, 2012 10:50:41 GMT -5
Would this list be considered to be all of Ringo's studio albums.... Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not Ringo 2012 Obviously that is not the first time Ringo's albums have been listed but it still looks cool. Okay, I'll eat some crow(just a little) and say that Ringo's Second Renaissance could fairly be said to encompass Time Takes Time through Ringo Rama. Those are three really nice Ringo albums in a row. Don't push me on Choose Love though which is the album where I thought Ringo started sounding the same on many songs. I still like some individual songs on these last few albums like "Liverpool 8" which I think was a great song but the albums starting with CL are mostly "Meh" to me.
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Post by theman on Mar 7, 2012 13:54:50 GMT -5
OK, this is an interesting endeavor that fabfour is undertaking. Since I have all of these, I feel qualified to give a quick "Twitter-like" review of Mr. Starr's solo career (based on a 5 star ranking). Sentimental Journey***: In hindsight, Ringo's a trendsetter here. Some enjoyable moments. Love the schmaltz of "Many Splendored Thing". Beaucoups of Blues**: Too much Ringo and country. Ringo*****: Not going off the reservation here. Every song is worthwhile. Goodnight Vienna***: Under appreciated gems, "Occapella", :Oo-Wee" and "Snokeroo". Rotogravure***: Guilty pleasure:"You Don't Know Me at All" Ringo The 4th*: "Wings" is pretty good here as well; wish the b-side ""Just a Dream" was available for download. Bad Boy**"Ognir Ratts" versions of "Hard Times" and "A Man Like Me" are better. Stop and Smell the Roses*** A bit of a comeback. "Back off Boogaloo" starts Ringo's "song checking" trend. Old Wave* Almost never listen to this one. Time Takes Time****: Like the two Jeff Lynne produced number the best, but almost no weak spots here. Vertical Man****: OK, "One" is a great album opener, but he has tried to recycle this song on many of his follow up albums Ringo Rama*****: Would have been a hit if released in the 70s. Choose Love***: Probably should have been 2 stars, but "Oh My Lord" is interesting. "Fading In and Fading Out" is a pretty good album opener as well. Liverpool 8**: Only songs I can remember after looking at the list are :Liverpool 8" and the quirky "RU Ready". Ringo from beyond the grave . Y Not***: Being generous here, but duet with Paul was worthwhile, "The Other Side of Liverpool" was interesting and love the creepy "Who's Your Daddy" Ringo 2012**: On the strength of the rejuvenated "Wings", "Think It Over" and "Rock Island Line". Actually hit as high as #80 on the Billboard charts!!!! My problem with Ringo is that, I feel, his last 3-4 albums have maybe, 3-4 strong songs, at best. His peak really was with Time Takes Time, Vertical Man and RingoRama.
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 7, 2012 17:32:50 GMT -5
I don't consider Verical Man very good, it's in the same league as Choose Love, but TTT and Ringo Rama are very good Ringo albums IMO.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 7, 2012 20:10:30 GMT -5
OK, this is an interesting endeavor that fabfour is undertaking. Since I have all of these, I feel qualified to give a quick "Twitter-like" review of Mr. Starr's solo career (based on a 5 star ranking). Sentimental Journey***: In hindsight, Ringo's a trendsetter here. Some enjoyable moments. Love the schmaltz of "Many Splendored Thing". Beaucoups of Blues**: Too much Ringo and country. Ringo*****: Not going off the reservation here. Every song is worthwhile. Goodnight Vienna***: Under appreciated gems, "Occapella", :Oo-Wee" and "Snokeroo". Rotogravure***: Guilty pleasure:"You Don't Know Me at All" Ringo The 4th*: "Wings" is pretty good here as well; wish the b-side ""Just a Dream" was available for download. Bad Boy**"Ognir Ratts" versions of "Hard Times" and "A Man Like Me" are better. Stop and Smell the Roses*** A bit of a comeback. "Back off Boogaloo" starts Ringo's "song checking" trend. Old Wave* Almost never listen to this one. Time Takes Time****: Like the two Jeff Lynne produced number the best, but almost no weak spots here. Vertical Man****: OK, "One" is a great album opener, but he has tried to recycle this song on many of his follow up albums Ringo Rama*****: Would have been a hit if released in the 70s. Choose Love***: Probably should have been 2 stars, but "Oh My Lord" is interesting. "Fading In and Fading Out" is a pretty good album opener as well. Liverpool 8**: Only songs I can remember after looking at the list are :Liverpool 8" and the quirky "RU Ready". Ringo from beyond the grave . Y Not***: Being generous here, but duet with Paul was worthwhile, "The Other Side of Liverpool" was interesting and love the creepy "Who's Your Daddy" Ringo 2012**: On the strength of the rejuvenated "Wings", "Think It Over" and "Rock Island Line". Actually hit as high as #80 on the Billboard charts!!!! My problem with Ringo is that, I feel, his last 3-4 albums have maybe, 3-4 strong songs, at best. His peak really was with Time Takes Time, Vertical Man and RingoRama. I mostly agree with your stars. I think Ringo 2012 is better than two, but I may not have listened enough.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 8, 2012 6:44:34 GMT -5
I don't consider Verical Man very good, it's in the same league as Choose Love, but TTT and Ringo Rama are very good Ringo albums IMO. I've never thought much of VERTICAL MAN as a whole (though I like some tracks off it) and I really don't like RINGO RAMA even though it's popular on these boards. In my mind, TIME TAKES TIME was a great album where every song was a winner, and then the same formula albums began. But I think LIVERPOOL 8, Y NOT, and RINGO 2012 -- while not entirely great -- have better stuff from Ringo overall. Maybe it was due to the exit of Mark Hudson.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 8, 2012 6:50:09 GMT -5
I just realized, for fans who are whining that "RINGO 2012 contains only 9 songs, wha...." that Bob Dylan's albums sometimes only contain 9 songs, or even less!
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 8, 2012 7:23:15 GMT -5
I don't consider Verical Man very good, it's in the same league as Choose Love, but TTT and Ringo Rama are very good Ringo albums IMO. I've never thought much of VERTICAL MAN as a whole (though I like some tracks off it) and I really don't like RINGO RAMA even though it's popular on these boards. In my mind, TIME TAKES TIME was a great album where every song was a winner, and then the same formula albums began. But I think LIVERPOOL 8, Y NOT, and RINGO 2012 -- while not entirely great -- have better stuff from Ringo overall. Maybe it was due to the exit of Mark Hudson. Some of these comments are tempting me to buy Ringo 2012. Ringo albums are mostly good listening experiences and Wings from Ringo the 4th is on so it is tempting. For me Ringo Rama was not just another Ringo album , it was competing with all the other music out there. I like it though I understand it's not everyone's cup of english tea.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 8, 2012 13:15:31 GMT -5
I thought Vertical Man was very good except I thought "Love Me Do" unnecessary(Ringo had nothing to prove) and "Drift Away" was totally B.S., a desperate attempt to cash in on the "Classic Rock" craze then just starting.
"La De Da" was a great single in my opinion. It was the last Ringo single radio-worthy in my opinion.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 8, 2012 13:19:29 GMT -5
"La De Da" was a great single in my opinion. It was the last Ringo single radio-worthy in my opinion. That's not true! LOL, I thought "Liverpool 8" was great although truly it was a little too deliberate with all of the Beatles references. "Walk With You" was radio-worthy so I stand corrected. "La De Da" was infectious, didn't mention Beatles and even had Paul on it but in a more subtle role. Good pop song too.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 8, 2012 19:47:49 GMT -5
Ah, this may tag me as a Ringo fanatic, which believe it or not, I'm not, but I think his recording of Love Me Do is better than the 1962 version, which I still don't care for too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 7:08:08 GMT -5
I've started listening to Ringo's albums,in the car and in order of release, i'm part way through Goodnight Vienna but i'm going to start again before i critique them.
I had the wife in the car and she insists the volume be kept so low it's hard to get a feel for the songs......
I did notice she was tapping her leg during Bye Bye Blackbird..i didn't think she was a hillbilly but that banjo was having some affect...
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 11, 2012 13:23:44 GMT -5
I had the wife in the car and she insists the volume be kept so low it's hard to get a feel for the songs...... I about spit my coffee out reading that! At least your wife is letting you play them in the car! My wife will let me play Blast From Your Past or probably that newer comp Photograph because it has the 1970's hits she grew up with. If I put Old Wave in I'd still be dead meat.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 11, 2012 19:59:10 GMT -5
I've started listening to Ringo's albums,in the car and in order of release, i'm part way through Goodnight Vienna but i'm going to start again before i critique them. I had the wife in the car and she insists the volume be kept so low it's hard to get a feel for the songs...... I did notice she was tapping her leg during Bye Bye Blackbird..i didn't think she was a hillbilly but that banjo was having some affect... Whatever the result, I admire your taking the effort to go through the catalogue to come up with informed opinions. I hope you find a lot to enjoy in Ringo's works, but that's not a given. Especially taken in a short go, since sometimes a little Ringo can go a long way. But good on yer!
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 11, 2012 20:47:49 GMT -5
Ringo came up on my New Songs playlist in the car earlier today. Slow Down. I don't know, maybe the romance is wearing off on the new album a little because I was thinking it is just a clone of Fill in the Blanks. But then it got to the middle eight (i guess it's a middle eight), at 1:43 the song takes a sweet turn, hits a nice note. Cool one Ringo.
Question. Can a middle eight come up twice a song?
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Mar 15, 2012 15:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 15, 2012 15:44:37 GMT -5
Darn, I bought the Best Buy version with no DVD. I would welcome a video where Ringo talks music, unlike every video I've ever seen on his website where he repeats "Peace and love" while flashing the peace signs, fumbles for clever things to say or bumps into the camera as he is filming it himself. That's why I have avoided in the past his "deluxe" album versions because I've wanted to avoid that zaniness in his videos. But if he is talking music and specifiaclly his new songs then that sounds cool. Second copy of 2012, why not? I have two of Paul's new album. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 4:53:50 GMT -5
Wow...I didn't know there was a 10 year gap between Ringo's Old Wave album and Time after Time, apparently he'd run out of record labels willing to take a chance with his recordings, that must have been when he took up drinking......
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 16, 2012 6:14:48 GMT -5
Wow...I didn't know there was a 10 year gap between Ringo's Old Wave album and Time after Time, apparently he'd run out of record labels willing to take a chance with his recordings, that must have been when he took up drinking...... I'm not sure if you're joking, but Ringo said he was an alcoholic all his life, before and during The Beatles. He said he didn't even remember playing a concert sometimes. He talked about it in detail in 1992 on shows like E! EXTREME CLOSEUP and THE REPORTERS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 16:44:55 GMT -5
Wow...I didn't know there was a 10 year gap between Ringo's Old Wave album and Time after Time, apparently he'd run out of record labels willing to take a chance with his recordings, that must have been when he took up drinking...... I'm not sure if you're joking, but Ringo said he was an alcoholic all his life, before and during The Beatles. He said he didn't even remember playing a concert sometimes. He talked about it in detail in 1992 on shows like E! EXTREME CLOSEUP and THE REPORTERS. It just so happens that his recording drought went from 1982/3 until 1992 so if he's talking in 1992 about being an Alcoholic then the timeline fits, for the sake of the story he could have included his whole drinking career but i'm thinking that 10 year recording hiatus was the catalyst especially as the Record Companies DIDN'T want his services.....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 17, 2012 6:05:46 GMT -5
It just so happens that his recording drought went from 1982/3 until 1992 so if he's talking in 1992 about being an Alcoholic then the timeline fits, for the sake of the story he could have included his whole drinking career but i'm thinking that 10 year recording hiatus was the catalyst especially as the Record Companies DIDN'T want his services..... Consider this... Ringo did record an album in 1987. Together with Chips Moman they talked about making three albums together. The first one was recorded in Memphis back in 1987. Bob Dylan and other stars participated in those sessions. Then Ringo sobered up in 1988, grew disenchanted with Moman, and went on his first All-Starr Tour in 1989. At that time, Moman tried to release the Memphis album to capitalize on the Ringo tour and comeback, but now that Ringo had sobered up and left his drunken past behind him, he went to court in 1989 to stop this album from being released, and succeeded. Ringo felt he wasn't playing well on some tracks and didn't like how they were mixed, but also objected to the fact that everyone had all been drinking during the recording, and Ringo didn't feel like one song (with the word "Whiskey" in the title) was something he wanted to be associated with, now that he'd become clean and sober. John Lennon also stopped recording for 5 years and it didn't mean it was cuz he was always drunk. George didn't record for 5 years from 82-87, and had a 10-year album drought in the 1990s after he did the Wilburys records! Back to Ringo -- even when he completely sobered up in 1988, it wasn't until 1992 (4 years) that he made TIME TAKES TIME. And after TTT it was another 6 years of sobriety until he bothered to make VERTICAL MAN in 1998.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 6:50:49 GMT -5
It just so happens that his recording drought went from 1982/3 until 1992 so if he's talking in 1992 about being an Alcoholic then the timeline fits, for the sake of the story he could have included his whole drinking career but i'm thinking that 10 year recording hiatus was the catalyst especially as the Record Companies DIDN'T want his services..... Consider this... Ringo did record an album in 1987. Together with Chips Moman they talked about making three albums together. The first one was recorded in Memphis back in 1987. Bob Dylan and other stars participated in those sessions. Then Ringo sobered up in 1988, grew disenchanted with Moman, and went on his first All-Starr Tour in 1989. At that time, Moman tried to release the Memphis album to capitalize on the Ringo tour and comeback, but now that Ringo had sobered up and left his drunken past behind him, he went to court in 1989 to stop this album from being released, and succeeded. Ringo felt he wasn't playing well on some tracks and didn't like how they were mixed, but also objected to the fact that everyone had all been drinking during the recording, and Ringo didn't feel like one song (with the word "Whiskey" in the title) was something he wanted to be associated with, now that he'd become clean and sober. John Lennon also stopped recording for 5 years and it didn't mean it was cuz he was always drunk. George didn't record for 5 years from 82-87, and had a 10-year album drought in the 1990s after he did the Wilburys records! Back to Ringo -- even when he completely sobered up in 1988, it wasn't until 1992 (4 years) that he made TIME TAKES TIME. And after TTT it was another 6 years of sobriety until he bothered to make VERTICAL MAN in 1998. What's George got to do with Ringo being a Lush.... John gave up music to raise his son... I'm not following your feeble argument... My point is RINGO might have become an Alcoholic because he realised all the Major record companies of the time thought he was crap and didn't want to know him....that's a fairly large rocket for an ex Beatle.........if you don't agree then fine but it's got sweet FA to do with George and John....
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