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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 17, 2012 7:15:29 GMT -5
What's George got to do with Ringo being a Lush.... John gave up music to raise his son... I'm not following your feeble argument... My point is RINGO might have become an Alcoholic because he realised all the Major record companies of the time thought he was crap and didn't want to know him....that's a fairly large rocket for an ex Beatle.........if you don't agree then fine but it's got sweet FA to do with George and John.... Yes, I'm trying to say that sometimes it's no great mystery why someone sometimes chooses not to release a record for a long time ( 10 years in George's case from 1990-2001, the longest hiatus of any Beatle!)... so it doesn't mean that a person has to be going through something awful to not wish to record. George was simply uninterested, and BRAINWASHED wasn't even completed and issued until a year after his death! (I am being kind to George because I am counting the two WILBURYS albums... otherwise, he hadn't released his own studio album since CLOUD NINE in 1987! That's going 15 years prior to BRAINWASHED...!!! ). It's not whether I agree with you or not, I'm just stating facts and not my opinion. I'm not sure why you choose to disregard Ringo's own facts. He related that he was a drunk since his youth, and he was drunk when touring with The Beatles, and could not remember playing sometimes. (He was hung over the day he shot his scene in AHDN, though this could happen to any young person after a night of drinking). You are completely mistaken if you believe Ringo "started becoming an Alcoholic because he could not get a record deal and no labels wanted him". Ringo was getting wasted every night even while major labels like Capitol and Atlantic were releasing his music. He said he was an Alcoholic his whole life.I also don't think I'm making a "feeble argument" when I explain to you that Ringo's longest period of not making an album actually came between TTT and VERTICAL MAN (6 years)... and those were in his most SOBER years! And I'm surprised you did not comment on the Chips Moman sessions I mentioned. Technically, Ringo still made an album in 1987 (only four years after OLD WAVE in 1983, and only 5 years before TIME TAKES TIME in 1992). This is extremely important to consider when suggesting that Ringo wasn't making albums after OLD WAVE...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 7:37:16 GMT -5
I'm saying RINGO is not really defining his period of being an alcoholic..in all the Beatle books you have read have you ever heard it mention that Ognir was an an Alcoholic ...no because most likely he wasn't..
That album from 1987 was never released, probably because NO record company was interested so it doesn't count, why get off on recording an album that stays in the can, it means nothing until it's out there and if no one wants it then have another drink....
especially if your a lush....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 17, 2012 8:46:32 GMT -5
I'm saying RINGO is not really defining his period of being an alcoholic..in all the Beatle books you have read have you ever heard it mention that Ognir was an an Alcoholic ...no because most likely he wasn't.. So in other words, you think Ringo was lying when he opened up for the first time in those exclusive TV interviews I mentioned? It's living proof right there - not anything someone wrote in some book. Are you comprehending what I wrote? I told you that Chips was going to release that album and Ringo went to court to stop it. I have video footage of Ringo's testimony. It's real. Ringo had sobered up and did not want the record released, and there is at least one song on it about drinking. It was blocked from release by RINGO - in court. It's "you're" when you mean to say "you are".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 0:52:30 GMT -5
I'm saying RINGO is not really defining his period of being an alcoholic..in all the Beatle books you have read have you ever heard it mention that Ognir was an an Alcoholic ...no because most likely he wasn't.. So in other words, you think Ringo was lying when he opened up for the first time in those exclusive TV interviews I mentioned? It's living proof right there - not anything someone wrote in some book. Are comprehending what I wrote? I told you that Chips was going to release that album and Ringo went to court to stop it. I have video footage of Ringo's testimony. It's real. Ringo had sobered up and did not want the record released, and there is at least one song on it about drinking. It was blocked from release by RINGO - in court. It's "you're" when you mean to say "you are". Are you saying Chips had the record contract and was going to release a recording he did with Ringo or did some record company change it's mind and accept a Ringo recording that Ringo knew was crap and didn't want it released........was he drunk when he recorded it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 5:50:05 GMT -5
I don't really want to get bogged down in the facts of Ring's battle with the booze but i did find this.....
Finally in 1988 he and Barbara, who had joined him in his alcoholism, went into a rehab clinic in Tucson, Arizona. He'd recognised for some time that he had a problem, but it was only when he began to worry that he couldn't stop drinking that he sought help. 'I'm not a violent man,' he remembered recently, 'but I was getting violent. And it was just painful, waking up in the morning and starting drinking again.' At one point he trashed his own house. He was lucky. The clinic saved him. Since then he's been on the wagon, not a drink - nor a drug - passing his lips, with funds being set aside to go to charities helping others whose lives have been wrecked by drugs or drink.
Interesting that he hadn't dried out when he recorded the "unreleased album"...maybe it was a recording of him taking a swig, then another, then..........
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 18, 2012 6:20:29 GMT -5
Interesting that he hadn't dried out when he recorded the "unreleased album"...maybe it was a recording of him taking a swig, then another, then.......... The "Memphis Album" was recorded in February, 1987. Ringo and Barbara went to detox in 1988. Here is a version of I CAN HELP that was recorded for the Memphis album:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 6:41:08 GMT -5
Ringo's version stays fairly close to the Billy Swan version of the song that i know and like, his vocal sounds OK...not bad...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 18, 2012 6:44:19 GMT -5
Here is a good history of those sessions:
Reference Library: The Lost Ringo Album From: Malcolm Atkinson (atkinson@actrix.gen.nz) Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles Subject: The History of The 'Lost' Ringo Starr Album Date: 1 May 1996 05:35:51 GMT
The idea for this album came during a visit to the Bahamas in December 1986, when Ringo bumped into producer/guitarist 'Chips' Moman. Enthusiastically, they talked of recording at least three albums, with Ringo's input much the same as it had been for 'Beaucoup Of Blues' - he would sing to prerecorded 'backing tracks'.
Recording began at Moman's Three Alarm Studios in Memphis in February 1987. News of the sessions leaked out, with the 'Memphis Commercial Appeal' announcing that the "aging Beatle is yesterday's news". Starr threatened to shift recording to Los Angeles, but this was avoided when Moman organized a picket of the newspaper, prompting the city council to rush through a resolution honoring Starr.
Because "it might be a historic moment", Ringo insisted the sessions were video-taped, especially the ones where Eric Clapton, Dave Edmunds, Carl Perkins and reputedly Bob Dylan attended. Fourteen songs were recorded in total, of which 'I Can Help', 'Some Kind Of Wonderful', 'Beat Patrol', 'Ain't That A Shame' and 'Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Da-Day' and 'Whisky And Soda' have been confirmed as titles. Two Perkins numbers may also have been recorded. Sessions went through until late April.
But why was this album never released? In part, after only one album, Ringo had had enough of Moman, and ceased communication with him upon his return to England. But more to the point, as Ringo himself acknowledged, on "certain nights, we were all under the influence of wine, tequila or whatever lese we felt like drinking". As a result of Ringo's drinking problem, the album's scheduled July 1989 US release on CBS Records was cancelled.
Subsequently, Moman, who bankrolled the sessions ($150 per hour studio time), decided to release the album to coincide with Ringo's successful Summer '89 'All Starr' US tour. Ringo tried to block its release. From the evidence heard in court, it appears that while Ringo did consider releasing the album to capitalise on the tour, he had ended up opposing its release for a number of reasons. Moman had apparently refused to allow Ringo to overdub drums onto the recordings "to get more of my personality on it". Further, having conquered his drinking problem by 1990, Ringo felt less than happy releasing a song called 'Whisky And Soda'. Accepting Starr's argument that the album wasn't up to scratch because of his then drink dependency, the Atlanta court granted Starr an injunction in November '89, blocking its immediate release by Moman's own CRS Records.
Further, in January '90, Moman was required surrender the master tapes, in exchange for which Starr was to pay him $74,354 in recording expenses - less than half the total recording expenses, which totalled a massive $162,000.
It is unlikely that this album will ever be released. Further, to date, it appears that no audio or video outtakes from these sessions have made their way into the hands of bootleggers*.
*(NOTE: This article was written 16 years ago... since then, some tracks have turned up).
This appears to have been an interesting album, with interesting performers and song choices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 6:55:56 GMT -5
I'm onto a bootleg copy... should be able to download it tomorrow if the links good...
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Post by mikev on Mar 18, 2012 8:08:12 GMT -5
I'm onto a bootleg copy... should be able to download it tomorrow if the links good... I agree on the Ringo imitator Billy Swan cover of I Can Help. Not horrible-he's put out much worse.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 18, 2012 12:15:03 GMT -5
I'm onto a bootleg copy... should be able to download it tomorrow if the links good... I agree on the Ringo imitator Billy Swan cover of I Can Help. Not horrible-he's put out much worse. In the Billboard Book of Number 1's, "I Can Help" was written with Ringo in mind but Ringo turned it down! Wow, there was another #1 Ringo would have had in the mid-1970's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 7:39:23 GMT -5
I've been listening to these first 8 Ringo albums on a cd i made.. that's all i could fit on one cd....
Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses
I've listened to all of these albums at least 3 times each and i have to say i'm not familiar with a lot of this material. I knew the Ringo album but not as well as i thought, i mean , i didn't know the George song ,Sunshine Life For Me was on this album and surprisingly, I'm the Greatest and 6 O'Clock aren't as bad as i thought.
My opinions change every time i go round again, obviously to do with familiarity. I struggle to get into Beaucoups of Blues though.
I don't think the songs are all that good, except for the title track and a bonus track called Coochy Coochy.....
Anyway i'm going round again...eventually i'll switch to the next cd which has the following albums..
Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 19, 2012 7:46:21 GMT -5
That's the spirit -- keep it up! But don't overdose!
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Post by mikev on Mar 19, 2012 13:32:47 GMT -5
I've been listening to these first 8 Ringo albums on a cd i made.. that's all i could fit on one cd.... Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses I've listened to all of these albums at least 3 times each and i have to say i'm not familiar with a lot of this material. I knew the Ringo album but not as well as i thought, i mean , i didn't know the George song ,Sunshine Life For Me was on this album and surprisingly, I'm the Greatest and 6 O'Clock aren't as bad as i thought. My opinions change every time i go round again, obviously to do with familiarity. I struggle to get into Beaucoups of Blues though. I don't think the songs are all that good, except for the title track and a bonus track called Coochy Coochy..... Anyway i'm going round again...eventually i'll switch to the next cd which has the following albums.. Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not I take it you mean mp-3 loaded CDs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 1:54:58 GMT -5
I've been listening to these first 8 Ringo albums on a cd i made.. that's all i could fit on one cd.... Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses I've listened to all of these albums at least 3 times each and i have to say i'm not familiar with a lot of this material. I knew the Ringo album but not as well as i thought, i mean , i didn't know the George song ,Sunshine Life For Me was on this album and surprisingly, I'm the Greatest and 6 O'Clock aren't as bad as i thought. My opinions change every time i go round again, obviously to do with familiarity. I struggle to get into Beaucoups of Blues though. I don't think the songs are all that good, except for the title track and a bonus track called Coochy Coochy..... Anyway i'm going round again...eventually i'll switch to the next cd which has the following albums.. Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not I take it you mean mp-3 loaded CDs. Correctly taken......an mp3 disc..quality is good, i don't notice the difference..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 5:31:18 GMT -5
I've been listening to these first 8 Ringo albums on a cd i made.. that's all i could fit on one cd.... Sentimental Journey Beaucoups of Blues Ringo Goodnight Vienna Rotogravure Ringo The 4th Bad Boy Stop and Smell the Roses I've listened to all of these albums at least 3 times each and i have to say i'm not familiar with a lot of this material. I knew the Ringo album but not as well as i thought, i mean , i didn't know the George song ,Sunshine Life For Me was on this album and surprisingly, I'm the Greatest and 6 O'Clock aren't as bad as i thought. My opinions change every time i go round again, obviously to do with familiarity. I struggle to get into Beaucoups of Blues though. I don't think the songs are all that good, except for the title track and a bonus track called Coochy Coochy..... Anyway i'm going round again...eventually i'll switch to the next cd which has the following albums.. Old Wave Time Takes Time Vertical Man Ringo Rama Choose Love Liverpool 8 Y Not I finished the 4th go round today of the Ringo cd..I'm having the rest of the week Ringo free then start on the 2nd cd next Monday.
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Post by mikev on Mar 20, 2012 8:11:08 GMT -5
I take it you mean mp-3 loaded CDs. Correctly taken......an mp3 disc..quality is good, i don't notice the difference.. I generally don't notice a difference if 256 kbps and greater.
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