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Post by joeyself on Nov 15, 2010 22:58:25 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3 vs. BEAUCOUPS OF BLUES, Side 2
1. "Beware of Darkness" 3:48
2. "Apple Scruffs" 3:04
3. "Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)" 3:46
4. "Awaiting on You All" 2:45
5. "All Things Must Pass" 3:44
BEAUCOUPS OF BLUES, Side 2
1. "$15 Draw" (Sorrells Pickard) – 3:29
2. "Wine, Women And Loud Happy Songs" (Larry Kingston) – 2:18
3. "I Wouldn't Have You Any Other Way" (Chuck Howard) – 2:57
4. "Loser's Lounge" (Bobby Pierce) – 2:23
5. "Waiting" (Chuck Howard) – 2:54
6. "Silent Homecoming" (Sorrells Pickard) – 3:55
Two sides from 1970, both of which had a little involvement from Richard Starkey, M.B.E.
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Post by mikev on Nov 15, 2010 23:22:25 GMT -5
1. Beware of Darkness 9 Wonderful opening to a great side
2. Apple Scruffs 8 Another simple tune turned into a classic with George and Phil
3. Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll) 9
4. Awaiting on You All 5 Preachy- could cost this otherwise great side in later rounds
5. All Things Must Pass 10 The song that should have closed Abbey Road
BEAUCOUPS OF BLUES, Side 2
1. $15 Draw 8
2. Wine, Women And Loud Happy Songs 8
3. I Wouldn't Have You Any Other Way 7
4. Loser's Lounge 7
5. Waiting 7
6. Silent Homecoming 8 great tune for the times but Ringo doesn't really fit
Bottom line is that these are all well crafted country songs which do suit Ringo, but again originality would win out if it were closer.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 15, 2010 23:42:33 GMT -5
Keep 'em rolling while they are as straightforward as this, Mister Self. ;D
ATMP side 3: Five excellent songs. Yes, Awaiting On You All has some embarrassing lyrics here and there (for example, that rhyme of "visas" with "Jesus" ...). But what a blast of a song!
Beware of Darkness and All Things are the towering songs, the bookends of the side. Apple Scruffs is a very nice gesture to those hardy and dedicated fans.
And Let It Roll is the "sound track" of the cover of the album, where we are taken on a tour of Friar Park and some of its eccentricities by its new and enthusisastic owner. The Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll) is one of the outstanding tracks on the album. (Please note that this idea of Let It Roll as soundtrack of the album's cover is not my original idea, but it is spot-on, don't you think?)
Beaucoups of Blues, any side, whole album, plus bonus tracks, plus whatever, don't come close in this contest.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 15, 2010 23:48:46 GMT -5
5. All Things Must Pass -- The song that should have closed Abbey Road Indeed, yes. It would have replaced that forced and twee "love you take" thing that is one of the reasons I play Abbey Road rather rarely. I have to be in the mood for Grandma's homespun philosophy. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful and generous gesture of Lennon and McCartney to make a BEATLES album whose songs were mostly Harrisongs, with a couple of Lennon's and a couple of McCartney's?  McCabe |
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Post by joeyself on Nov 16, 2010 7:59:32 GMT -5
BOB 2 could beat a few sides in this tourney for me. Either of WW, DH or ET by George, MC2, RRS or WL by Paul, and several of Lennon's
However, ATMP 3 isn't one of them. In fact, there aren't many sides in this tournament that WILL beat if for me (if any). ATMP 3 won a Harrison sides tourney I did on another board, and I expect it will go a long way here.
Of course, with random drawing, it may not, but them's the breaks.
So, as BOB 2 fades into our sunset, let me say that it opens and closes with great Ringo tracks, both written by the same guy (if I'd ever noticed that before yesterday, I'd forgotten it). The quartet in the middle suffer by comparison, but make up a solid core for the rest of the side. I have a high tolerance for country music--I even enjoy some of it--and found this album to be one that I'd play now and then for the pure pleasure of it.
That's more than I can say for several sides in this tourney.
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Post by mikev on Nov 16, 2010 8:26:56 GMT -5
5. All Things Must Pass -- The song that should have closed Abbey Road Indeed, yes. It would have replaced that forced and twee "love you take" thing that is one of the reasons I play Abbey Road rather rarely. I have to be in the mood for Grandma's homespun philosophy. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful and generous gesture of Lennon and McCartney to make a BEATLES album whose songs were mostly Harrisongs, with a couple of Lennon's and a couple of McCartney's? McCabe funny...I thought the next studio Beatles album after Abbey Road could have featured George originals since he was originially reluctant to go off on his own... but instead we got a brilliant debut. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 16, 2010 9:46:25 GMT -5
5. All Things Must Pass -- The song that should have closed Abbey Road Indeed, yes. It would have replaced that forced and twee "love you take" thing that is one of the reasons I play Abbey Road rather rarely. I have to be in the mood for Grandma's homespun philosophy. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful and generous gesture of Lennon and McCartney to make a BEATLES album whose songs were mostly Harrisongs, with a couple of Lennon's and a couple of McCartney's? McCabe That is weird because I had the very same thought last night of George dominating a Beatles album around 1969. It would have done wonders for George's disposition as to all things Beatles and we would still have gotten a great Beatles album. I then awoke from fantasy world and realized Abbey Road could have, should have been that album but no way would John and Paul let that happen, even a Beatles disinterested Lennon by 1969. Ego pure and simple. So we get an AR with all kinds of Lennon and McCartney rejects and half-baked ditties that admittedly sound nice from a superficial point of view but don't hold up to deeper scrutiny. There is some LenMac that is very good on AR but Paul could have given up Maxwell and Oh!Darling and John shortened "I Want You" to clear up room for three more Hari songs on just Side 1 and I'm sure some LenMac on Side 2 could have given away for more Hari over there. Yet George still steals the AR show with just two songs! I guess we were thus allowed the gift of ATMP even though I think it is too long as even a double album and certainly not a real triple album. All of this is the long way of saying I vote for ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3. ATMP is not even my favorite George album but I admit the greatness of Side 3 although I have some reservations on "Awaiting On You All's" lyrics as summarized by McCabe. At points it is a mouthful for George. The other four songs are all majestic, even "Apples Scruffs." Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words).  |
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Post by coachbk on Nov 16, 2010 9:46:42 GMT -5
This is as easy as it gets. ATMP side 3 is one of my top candidates for a "final four" spot. Every song on this side is above average. The lyrics of "Awaiting On You All" have been criticized, but it is strong enough musically to overcome that for me. "Beware Of Darkness" and "All Things Must Pass" are among my favorite Beatles solo songs.
BOB is OK, but not even close in this matchup.
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Post by joeyself on Nov 16, 2010 10:07:14 GMT -5
Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words). WW is shorthand for WONDERWALL. But, to be clear, I WOULD take BOB 2 over either side of WILD LIFE. JcS |
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Post by scousette on Nov 16, 2010 12:17:16 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3
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Post by JCV on Nov 16, 2010 12:55:41 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3George all the way on this one.  JCV 
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 16, 2010 14:04:35 GMT -5
Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words). WW is shorthand for WONDERWALL. But, to be clear, I WOULD take BOB 2 over either side of WILD LIFE. JcS Oh, cool! But wait a minute! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 4:51:30 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3
A George "classic" album side......as for B.O.B...........slaughtered ;D
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 19, 2010 12:21:11 GMT -5
Something tells me ATMP is a favorite to make the final round. Or will it be a John vs Paul slugfest?
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Post by coachbk on Nov 19, 2010 22:12:50 GMT -5
Something tells me ATMP is a favorite to make the final round. Or will it be a John vs Paul slugfest? Sides 2 & 3 of ATMP have a good shot at the final round in my book unless they run up against RAM (either side) or BAND ON THE RUN (side 1 for sure, side 2 maybe). They'll get my vote over any Lennon side (this is where the "How Do You Sleep" factor will kill John's otherwise fine IMAGINE side for me and the 'music" aspect will trounce POB) or RINGO side 1 (his best). But all that lies in the future... |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 21, 2010 0:28:24 GMT -5
Keep 'em rolling while they are as straightforward as this, Mister Self. ;D ATMP side 3: Five excellent songs. Yes, Awaiting On You All has some embarrassing lyrics here and there (for example, that rhyme of "visas" with "Jesus" ...). But what a blast of a song! Beware of Darkness and All Things are the towering songs, the bookends of the side. Apple Scruffs is a very nice gesture to those hardy and dedicated fans. And Let It Roll is the "sound track" of the cover of the album, where we are taken on a tour of Friar Park and some of its eccentricities by its new and enthusisastic owner. The Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll) is one of the outstanding tracks on the album. (Please note that this idea of Let It Roll as soundtrack of the album's cover is not my original idea, but it is spot-on, don't you think?) Beaucoups of Blues, any side, whole album, plus bonus tracks, plus whatever, don't come close in this contest. McCabe George is the obvious choice here. While visas and Jesus is cumbersome and heavy handed it is not a false rhyme which is something we see often in today's music. As for Awaiting on You All its a great track. The lyric line that isn't printed is kind of clever though untrue, somewhat offensive and a poor rhyming scheme: "The pope owns 51% of General Motors and the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us." Rhyming Motors and quote us is not very smooth. I wonder how many people are even aware of that line or can discern what George is singing. |
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Nov 21, 2010 0:33:55 GMT -5
Indeed, yes. It would have replaced that forced and twee "love you take" thing that is one of the reasons I play Abbey Road rather rarely. I have to be in the mood for Grandma's homespun philosophy. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful and generous gesture of Lennon and McCartney to make a BEATLES album whose songs were mostly Harrisongs, with a couple of Lennon's and a couple of McCartney's? McCabe That is weird because I had the very same thought last night of George dominating a Beatles album around 1969. It would have done wonders for George's disposition as to all things Beatles and we would still have gotten a great Beatles album. I then awoke from fantasy world and realized Abbey Road could have, should have been that album but no way would John and Paul let that happen, even a Beatles disinterested Lennon by 1969. Ego pure and simple. So we get an AR with all kinds of Lennon and McCartney rejects and half-baked ditties that admittedly sound nice from a superficial point of view but don't hold up to deeper scrutiny. There is some LenMac that is very good on AR but Paul could have given up Maxwell and Oh!Darling and John shortened "I Want You" to clear up room for three more Hari songs on just Side 1 and I'm sure some LenMac on Side 2 could have given away for more Hari over there. Yet George still steals the AR show with just two songs! I guess we were thus allowed the gift of ATMP even though I think it is too long as even a double album and certainly not a real triple album. All of this is the long way of saying I vote for ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3. ATMP is not even my favorite George album but I admit the greatness of Side 3 although I have some reservations on "Awaiting On You All's" lyrics as summarized by McCabe. At points it is a mouthful for George. The other four songs are all majestic, even "Apples Scruffs." Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words). Given up on Oh! Darling!!! Are you out of your f...ing mind? That is one of the great Beatles tracks and NO John could not have sung it better. No way he has that range esp. in the refrain. George doesn't completely steal the show on AR. What about Come Together, You Never Give Me Your Money, She Came in through the Bathroom Window, Golden Slumbers, Carry that Weight, the End. Its the reason AR is the No. 1 Beatles album on i-tunes at No. 4 and possibly on the way to No. 1. Come on John, you know a great album when you see one and its not just Something and Here Comes the Sun that are the attractions. Now George could have dominated the next Beatles album if they had not broken up. Here is the album the Beatles could have released in the spring of 1971. It would have been their biggest and would have blown Tapestry off the top of the charts if it had reached the top at all. Here is what would have been the George dominated next Beatles album. I left My Sweet Lord off for copyright purposes. My fantasy is that as a Beatle track it wouldn't have got past Paul and John for its similarity to He's So Fine--however subtle. Album Title: Everest Aritist: The Beatles Release Date: April 20, 1971 1. Too Many People 2. Instant Karma 3. Awaiting On You All 4. It Don't Come Easy 5. Maybe I'm Amazed 6. Imagine 7. Beware of Darkness 8. Every Night 9. Let It Roll 10. Jealous Guy 11.Art of Dying 12. What Is Life 13. Junk 14. Jealous Guy 15. Behind That Locked Door 16. Another Day 17. Oh My Love 18. Isn't It A Pity Suitable title I think. It was discussed as title for Abbey Road and the pun "ever rest" would be good as a final album. This reminds me of some alternate lyrics for Junk as I was typing that list in light of the controversy regarding invasive airport security measures: "Junk" Words by RTP Music by Paul McCartney X-ray scans expose our glands. Private parts displayed. Mammaries for all to see. Bare buttocks, balls and cocks, Breasts out in front too. Pornograhic jamboree. We'll throw out the scans that we get from you, I'll sue if you fondle my junk. Da da da da da da da da da, Da da da da da da da. For security, a feel for free. Nothing for our grief. No dinner or movie first. We'll toss all the scans that we get from you, I'll sue if I see them on-line. Da da da da da da Da da da da da da. |
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 21, 2010 1:51:48 GMT -5
That is weird because I had the very same thought last night of George dominating a Beatles album around 1969. It would have done wonders for George's disposition as to all things Beatles and we would still have gotten a great Beatles album. I then awoke from fantasy world and realized Abbey Road could have, should have been that album but no way would John and Paul let that happen, even a Beatles disinterested Lennon by 1969. Ego pure and simple. So we get an AR with all kinds of Lennon and McCartney rejects and half-baked ditties that admittedly sound nice from a superficial point of view but don't hold up to deeper scrutiny. There is some LenMac that is very good on AR but Paul could have given up Maxwell and Oh!Darling and John shortened "I Want You" to clear up room for three more Hari songs on just Side 1 and I'm sure some LenMac on Side 2 could have given away for more Hari over there. Yet George still steals the AR show with just two songs! I guess we were thus allowed the gift of ATMP even though I think it is too long as even a double album and certainly not a real triple album. All of this is the long way of saying I vote for ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3. ATMP is not even my favorite George album but I admit the greatness of Side 3 although I have some reservations on "Awaiting On You All's" lyrics as summarized by McCabe. At points it is a mouthful for George. The other four songs are all majestic, even "Apples Scruffs." Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words). Given up on Oh! Darling!!! Are you out of your f...ing mind? That is one of the great Beatles tracks and NO John could not have sung it better. No way he has that range esp. in the refrain. George doesn't completely steal the show on AR. What about Come Together, You Never Give Me Your Money, She Came in through the Bathroom Window, Golden Slumbers, Carry that Weight, the End. Its the reason AR is the No. 1 Beatles album on i-tunes at No. 4 and possibly on the way to No. 1. Come on John, you know a great album when you see one and its not just Something and Here Comes the Sun that are the attractions. Now George could have dominated the next Beatles album if they had not broken up. Here is the album the Beatles could have released in the spring of 1971. It would have been their biggest and would have blown Tapestry off the top of the charts if it had reached the top at all. Here is what would have been the George dominated next Beatles album. I left My Sweet Lord off for copyright purposes. My fantasy is that as a Beatle track it wouldn't have got past Paul and John for its similarity to He's So Fine--however subtle. Album Title: Everest Aritist: The Beatles Release Date: April 20, 1971 1. Too Many People 2. Instant Karma 3. Awaiting On You All 4. It Don't Come Easy 5. Maybe I'm Amazed 6. Imagine 7. Beware of Darkness 8. Every Night 9. Let It Roll 10. Jealous Guy 11.Art of Dying 12. What Is Life 13. Junk 14. Jealous Guy 15. Behind That Locked Door 16. Another Day 17. Oh My Love 18. Isn't It A Pity Suitable title I think. It was discussed as title for Abbey Road and the pun "ever rest" would be good as a final album. This reminds me of some alternate lyrics for Junk as I was typing that list in light of the controversy regarding invasive airport security measures: "Junk" Words by RTP Music by Paul McCartney X-ray scans expose our glands. Private parts displayed. Mammaries for all to see. Bare buttocks, balls and cocks, Breasts are handled too. Pornograhic jamboree. We'll throw out the scans that we get from you, I'll sue if you fondle my junk. Da da da da da da da da da, Da da da da da da da. For security, a feel for free. Nothing for our grief. No dinner or movie first. We'll expunge the scans that we get from you, I'll sue if I see them on-line. Da da da da da da Da da da da da da. LOL! You have either gone completely mad RTP or else I want what you took tonight! ;D |
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Nov 21, 2010 20:43:38 GMT -5
ATMP3, no contest here.
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Post by stavros on Nov 22, 2010 16:42:51 GMT -5
Sorry Ritchie. Its a harmless little country album and very well produced but you are up against one of the best solo albums here.
Beacoups is a nice little album but gets totally destroyed in this match up.
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 22, 2010 18:42:32 GMT -5
Indeed, yes. It would have replaced that forced and twee "love you take" thing that is one of the reasons I play Abbey Road rather rarely. I have to be in the mood for Grandma's homespun philosophy. Wouldn't it have been a wonderful and generous gesture of Lennon and McCartney to make a BEATLES album whose songs were mostly Harrisongs, with a couple of Lennon's and a couple of McCartney's? McCabe That is weird because I had the very same thought last night of George dominating a Beatles album around 1969. It would have done wonders for George's disposition as to all things Beatles and we would still have gotten a great Beatles album. I then awoke from fantasy world and realized Abbey Road could have, should have been that album but no way would John and Paul let that happen, even a Beatles disinterested Lennon by 1969. Ego pure and simple. So we get an AR with all kinds of Lennon and McCartney rejects and half-baked ditties that admittedly sound nice from a superficial point of view but don't hold up to deeper scrutiny. There is some LenMac that is very good on AR but Paul could have given up Maxwell and Oh!Darling and John shortened "I Want You" to clear up room for three more Hari songs on just Side 1 and I'm sure some LenMac on Side 2 could have given away for more Hari over there. Yet George still steals the AR show with just two songs! I guess we were thus allowed the gift of ATMP even though I think it is too long as even a double album and certainly not a real triple album. All of this is the long way of saying I vote for ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3. ATMP is not even my favorite George album but I admit the greatness of Side 3 although I have some reservations on "Awaiting On You All's" lyrics as summarized by McCabe. At points it is a mouthful for George. The other four songs are all majestic, even "Apples Scruffs." Poor BOB-2, it is not a bad Side but never had a chance here although I bristle at Joey's subtle suggestion that it would beat either side of Wings Wild Life(he specifically said he'd vote for for BOB-2 over either side of WW but there was malice in those words). I always thought John and Paul were right to seriously edit George's songwriting contribution to the Beatles. As his solo work shows, his batting average of hits-to-clunkers was much weaker than John and Paul's. And when George was bad he was REALLY bad. What made the Beatles great, of course, was their incredibly strict quality control. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 22, 2010 20:46:59 GMT -5
I always thought John and Paul were right to seriously edit George's songwriting contribution to the Beatles. As his solo work shows, his batting average of hits-to-clunkers was much weaker than John and Paul's. And when George was bad he was REALLY bad. What made the Beatles great, of course, was their incredibly strict quality control. Here comes the dose of reality: (1) It's a pity no-one "seriously edited" some of John and Paul's contributions. The point is that towards the end of the Beatles, George Harrison was writing many better songs than John and Paul, both of whose muses seemed to have temporarily left them. John and Paul, especially in 1968 and 1969, put out some asinine songs. Don't talk of "strict quality control" when he have rubbish (to name four only) like Long and Whining Bore, Maxwell, Mustard, Dig A Pony. (2) George solo had a number of successful "hit" records, singles and albums. He thrashes solo John Lennon in that department. He also did not play the "pop star" to anywhere near the extent that Macca did. McCabe |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 23, 2010 7:04:03 GMT -5
(2) George solo had a number of successful "hit" records, singles and albums. He thrashes solo John Lennon in that department. You would be the last person I would have thought placed "worth" on what sells best. Much more important artistically to produce SOMETIME IN NYC, for instance, than GOT MY MIND SET ON YOU. Quality-wise it isn't all about hits, is it? |
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Post by acebackwords on Nov 23, 2010 10:42:30 GMT -5
(2) George solo had a number of successful "hit" records, singles and albums. He thrashes solo John Lennon in that department. You would be the last person I would have thought placed "worth" on what sells best. Much more important artistically to produce SOMETIME IN NYC, for instance, than GOT MY MIND SET ON YOU. Quality-wise it isn't all about hits, is it? I think its worth pointing out that if John's primary goal of his solo career had been to score "hits" he could have quite easily scored them. And massively. He certainly knew how to do it. But I think his feeling was that he had ALREADY done that with the Beatles. So, as ever, Lennon was looking for a new challenge. You can see how he went out of his way to sabatogue his career from a commercial point of view. Hell, his first 3 or 4 solo albums were so aggressively weird and uncommercial its a miracle he didn't completely alienate the pop audience. And in fact, on the rare instances when he went out of his way to work in the purely commercial genre (like his offhand collaborations with Elton John and David Bowie) he immediately scored massive hits. Believe me, he could have EASILY continued to do that if that was his goal. Thats my opinion anyways. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Nov 23, 2010 15:25:34 GMT -5
(2) George solo had a number of successful "hit" records, singles and albums. He thrashes solo John Lennon in that department. You would be the last person I would have thought placed "worth" on what sells best. Much more important artistically to produce SOMETIME IN NYC, for instance, than GOT MY MIND SET ON YOU. Quality-wise it isn't all about hits, is it? I was RESPONDING to ace's remark that and I remarked that it isn't true vis-a-vis John Lennon. McCabe |
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Post by joeyself on Nov 23, 2010 15:47:27 GMT -5
So, as ever, Lennon was looking for a new challenge. You can see how he went out of his way to sabatogue his career from a commercial point of view. Hell, his first 3 or 4 solo albums were so aggressively weird and uncommercial its a miracle he didn't completely alienate the pop audience. Complete alienation didn't happen, but relatively speaking, Lennon did just that. POB was the first one under his solo banner, and it only peaked at 6 in the USA/11 in the UK. MCCARTNEY was 1/2 and ATMP was 1/4. Part of the Harrison British showing may be attributed to the reluctance to release a single from that album in the UK, as "My Sweet Lord" didn't come out on 45 there until January, 1971, but it may also be due to the two experimental Harrison releases. McCartney didn't suffer that "handicap" with his solo debut--and did some shrewd marketing as well. Had I been a buyer of albums in 1970 and had I purchased any of the Lennon/Ono releases, I would not have been in any hurry to get burned again. I would have had to make sure that Lennon was not extracting my hard-earned money for his egotistic endeavors. JcS |
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Post by theman on Nov 23, 2010 20:27:45 GMT -5
It was not an accomplishment to put out crap like STINYC (which was bad both commercially and artistically). I'm glad we got some solid "commercial' stuff from George, quite frankly. The Traveling Wilburys were commercial too. Thank God--pun intended--for it.
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Post by nine on Nov 24, 2010 4:52:53 GMT -5
I always thought John and Paul were right to seriously edit George's songwriting contribution to the Beatles. As his solo work shows, his batting average of hits-to-clunkers was much weaker than John and Paul's. And when George was bad he was REALLY bad. What made the Beatles great, of course, was their incredibly strict quality control. Here comes the dose of reality: (1) It's a pity no-one "seriously edited" some of John and Paul's contributions. The point is that towards the end of the Beatles, George Harrison was writing many better songs than John and Paul, both of whose muses seemed to have temporarily left them. I don't think their muses had left them, more that they weren't calling crap crap which I think is what they did earlier. It was the bullshit factor which they had going which kept the quality up there. I am surprised when You say ... "and Paul, both of whose muses seemed to have temporarily left them..." Do you think Paul's came back? |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Nov 24, 2010 6:43:58 GMT -5
It was not an accomplishment to put out crap like STINYC (which was bad both commercially and artistically). That's a matter of opinion. Many would agree with you for sure, but some would not. I think it was a brave and different idea at the time, and I commend John for it. I think it showed a lot of balls, releasing stuff like WOMAN IS THE NIGGER OF THE WORLD. |
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Post by theman on Nov 24, 2010 11:31:38 GMT -5
It was not an accomplishment to put out crap like STINYC (which was bad both commercially and artistically). That's a matter of opinion. Many would agree with you for sure, but some would not. I think it was a brave and different idea at the time, and I commend John for it. I think it showed a lot of balls, releasing stuff like WOMAN IS THE NIGGER OF THE WORLD. Well, I sort of agree with you on WITNOTW. However, while perhaps brave, I still think the song is very trite lyrically (in spite of a pretty nice musical arrangement). Also, I'd have to say that "New York City" is pretty listenable. But the rest of it, ugh. That being said, this is a very subjective topic and I love when people come out with a totally unexpected and insightful POV that runs counter to convention wisdom. In this case though, I think convention wisdom is pretty wise! |
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