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Post by joeyself on Oct 15, 2010 12:57:17 GMT -5
WONDERWALL, Side 1 vs. RINGO THE 4th, Side 1
WONDERWALL, Side 1
"Microbes" – 3:42
"Red Lady Too" – 1:56
"Tabla and Pakavaj" – 1:05
"In the Park" – 4:08
"Drilling a Home" – 3:08
"Guru Vandana" – 1:05
"Greasy Legs" – 1:28
"Ski-ing" – 1:50
"Gat Kirwani" – 1:15
"Dream Scene" – 5:26
RINGO The 4th, Side 1
"Drowning In The Sea Of Love" – 5:09
"Tango All Night" – 2:58
"Wings" – 3:26
"Gave It All Up" – 4:41
"Out On The Streets" – 4:29
Two of the more obscure or lesser known sides in this tournament are paired this time. If you don't know them, I suspect you can find each of these tracks on YouTube--I've done a quick check and found several titles listed.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 15, 2010 16:46:04 GMT -5
RINGO THE 4TH all the way!!  Yay! One for Ringo!! I have to tell you, I've only ever owned WONDERWALL on vinyl, and I've only played it once. Didn't think much of it, but I do admit I am not overly familiar with it. But as "bad" as RINGO THE 4TH is said to be, I do like a bunch of songs off it. And there's something so offbeat about Ringo's rendition of DROWNING IN THE SEA OF LOVE that works for me. I also enjoy WINGS and GAVE IT ALL UP. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 15, 2010 17:03:37 GMT -5
Now, being a newly confident fan, I have to say I like Drowning in the Sea of Love. Well, like is a bit strong. I can listen to it to the end, though, which is more that you can say for the rest of this side and album. Basically, a pox on it. But Wonderwall - ah, now there's a lost psychedelic classic. As usual with albums like this, however, you should listen to the whole side in one hit: it's not the sort of music where you pick a "favorite" track, and play it over and over. Having said that, there are highlights that I look forward to. Red Lady Too has a very nice "groove" to it, especially in the mono mix. I like Ski-ing (thanks Eric!), and the way it segues into Gat Kirwani. Dream Scene has elements of Revolution 9, in that the music, speech, and effects conjure up the subject matter. The mix of "Western" and "Indian" instruments and styles works very well throughout the side (and the whole album). So it's Wonderwall for me. McCabe If anyone wants links where they can download Wonderwall in excellent stereo and/or mono, just pm me.  . |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 15, 2010 17:06:14 GMT -5
If anyone wants links where they can download Wonderwall in excellent stereo and/or mono, just pm me. . And I can help with the film too. Well worth a watch, as it's fairly entertaining. But the soundtrack IS better than the film! McCabe |
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 15, 2010 18:47:22 GMT -5
If anyone wants links where they can download Wonderwall in excellent stereo and/or mono, just pm me. . And I can help with the film too. Well worth a watch, as it's fairly entertaining. But the soundtrack IS better than the film! McCabe The first thing I did after subscribing to Netflix was get Wonderwall. I enjoyed it. It was of that same film era as Mick Jagger's Performance which I liked a lot too. This was a cooler project for George than I had ever imagined growing up. |
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Post by coachbk on Oct 15, 2010 22:14:57 GMT -5
Neither of these would beat most of the other sides that have been in the tourney so far, but one must go on and so it is WONDERWALL. At least George was attempting to get more exposure for Indian music. Ringo was just going through the motions.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 15, 2010 22:31:16 GMT -5
At least George was attempting to get more exposure for Indian music. Wonderwall contains a lot of Indian music, certainly; but there is also a large percentage of "Western" music. I don't think George was "attempting to get more exposure for Indian music" in Wonderwall so much as writing and recording music that matched various scenes from the film. McCabe |
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Post by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 23:25:01 GMT -5
wow- should Wonderwall even be listed? A lot of the music is incidental and performed by the Remo Four and Indian musicians.
Musically I quite like it.
The point system doesn't work here either. Too "z"apples and oranges. Ringo the 4th is the worst solo Beatle LP not counting Two Virgins. Disco, Bald Ringo, heavy intoxication, lousy lousy music. I do have the cut-out LP. Played it about once. Funny thing is when we get to it...I love Rotogravure.
I give the edge to Wonderwall but I don't think it belongs in the contest any more than Two Virgins, Electronic music, Life With the Lions and Family Way.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 15, 2010 23:45:18 GMT -5
wow- should Wonderwall even be listed? A lot of the music is incidental and performed by the Remo Four and Indian musicians. And George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Eric Clapton also perform. Album written by George Harrison. Produced by George Harrison. Full name of album Wonderwall Music By George Harrison. Yes, certainly it belongs here. Well now, I think Two Virgins, Electronic Sound, Life With The Lions, Wedding Album all belong here. I think Joey Self left those out as by doing so he got 64 sides to start with, and realistically they had no chance. Of course, Wonderwall's two sides will battle out the final. How could one of rock's great pieces of pyschedelia lose out? McCabe |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 16, 2010 0:12:31 GMT -5
------------------ and Family Way. The Family Way is an oddity. Paul penned the theme for the film, Love In the Open Air. The album consists of versions of this by the "George Martin Orchestra". Paul does not play on any of the "variations". By no stretch is it a Paul "solo" album. McCabe |
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 16, 2010 0:37:44 GMT -5
WONDERWALL, Side 1
I am kind of tenuous here in my vote for WW-1 as I have only ever heard the music from watching the film and we know soundtracks can be incomplete or abbreviated as one might only hear part of the song in the film yet the whole song is on the soundtrack album.
Yet, when I watched the film of Wonderwall I got excited by the music I was hearing.
I have never, ever been excited about either Side of Ringo The 4th and it was the only solo Beatles album I did not buy on release after becoming a fan in September 1975(well, I have missed a few of the live All-Starr albums I must admit). I finally bought Ringo The 4th years later and was glad that I hadn't used much scarcer money on it when I was 15 or 16 when it first came out.
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Post by mikev on Oct 16, 2010 1:11:17 GMT -5
wow- should Wonderwall even be listed? A lot of the music is incidental and performed by the Remo Four and Indian musicians. And George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Eric Clapton also perform. Album written by George Harrison. Produced by George Harrison. Full name of album Wonderwall Music By George Harrison. Yes, certainly it belongs here. Well now, I think Two Virgins, Electronic Sound, Life With The Lions, Wedding Album all belong here. I think Joey Self left those out as by doing so he got 64 sides to start with, and realistically they had no chance. Of course, Wonderwall's two sides will battle out the final. How could one of rock's great pieces of pyschedelia lose out? McCabe I know Clapton, Ringo maybe even John and Peter Tork perform, but where? It is a great piece of music-that I don't argue- just wish I knew who played what where. In the First Place was not written by George. Not sure if that is him singing lead. Of course it was not on the original LP. (I actually have an 8 track copy) BTW, does "McGear" get in? That is practically a Wings album. |
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Post by mikev on Oct 16, 2010 1:12:44 GMT -5
I bought Ringo the 4th for a buck. I guess that was a deal.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 16, 2010 1:15:03 GMT -5
I bought Ringo the 4th for a buck. I guess that was a deal. LOL! It was kind of cool that a hot babe was sitting on Ringo's shoulders in her nighties. I presume that it was a hot babe, we don't see her face do we? |
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Post by stavros on Oct 16, 2010 6:52:19 GMT -5
Hmm I like bits on Wonderwall but it is a soundtrack album and not a pop album. Ringo IV is not an album I have cared to listen to since I first obtained it. But I gave it another try and in my opinion the material is stronger than I first thought. It is Ringo who let's the album down. He sounds like he's going through the motions . A tired (maybe even hungover?) vocal delivery. "Drowning.." has a strange charm to it. "Tango" is pap. "Wings" is a great song waiting for a great singer to breath something into it. Our Richie is not the man to do it. "Gave it all Up" could be so much better if only someone else sung it. And "Out on the Streets" fails to close the album side with anything more memorable. So I have to go with Wonderwall even though it probably belongs with "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest"
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Post by joeyself on Oct 16, 2010 8:42:24 GMT -5
I did what I frequently encourage, or at least hope, others will do--listen to one of the sides before voting. I've not played WONDERWALL in years, so I played it, and made notes as I did. A blanket observation, though--I've not seen this movie, and the music may be absolutely perfect for the context. I'm judging the soundtrack on the listening experience I get in 2010, not how it meshed with the film in 1968. With that said:
"Microbes" – 3:42 I'm not a fan of the droning stuff, with little to no discernable melody. This went on much too long and never went anywhere.
"Red Lady Too" – 1:56 More to my liking; Western sound, and a melody that I could follow.
"Tabla and Pakavaj" – 1:05 I prefer the Indian pieces with percussion, and this one was short, so I didn't get bored before it was over.
"In the Park" – 4:08 Better than "Microbes" after the percussion kicked in.
"Drilling a Home" – 3:08 Didn't find it on YouTube--the only one of these I had to find elsewhere. Reminded me of Benny Hill/Monty Python type music (and yes, I know this came first).
"Guru Vandana" – 1:05 Interesting combo of instruments interacting.
"Greasy Legs" – 1:28 Reminded me a bit of some of Brian Eno's stuff.
"Ski-ing" – 1:50 Ahhh, this is the one I sort of remembered. A little like the Apple Jam stuff, guitar riff driven, and ultimately, it didn't go anywhere.
"Gat Kirwani" – 1:15 An almost Spanish guitar feel to this one.
"Dream Scene" – 5:26 Quite the mish-mash, and one that makes me wonder most (of the songs on this side) how it fit into the film. Not quite a "Revolution 9" but perhaps it inspired Harrison's contributions to that track later.
Ok, with all that said, I'm still leaning to the Starr album, but want to hear parts of it again before voting.
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Post by JCV on Oct 16, 2010 13:32:07 GMT -5
WONDERWALL, Side 1JCV
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 16, 2010 16:19:17 GMT -5
Ringo the IVth Side 1 for me. This is one of Ringo's best albums in the Top5 for me and I don't understand why it gets destroyed even by fans. I love every song on Side 1 especially Gave it All Up. I believe Bob Dylan ripped this song off and it turned out as Congratulations on the first Wilbury album. Ringo may have been a mess at the time but he was a good drunk, with a little help from his friends. |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 16, 2010 17:37:14 GMT -5
----------- ............Gave it All Up. I believe Bob Dylan ripped this song off and it turned out as Congratulations on the first Wilbury album. I don't often sit at my computer and gasp.  But I did when I read that, ursamajor. There is nothing to say except that I think ... you are wrong. |
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 16, 2010 18:24:50 GMT -5
----------- ............Gave it All Up. I believe Bob Dylan ripped this song off and it turned out as Congratulations on the first Wilbury album. I don't often sit at my computer and gasp. But I did when I read that, ursamajor. There is nothing to say except that I think ... you are wrong. Bud, sit yourself down, pour yourself a Guiness or a nice single malt Scotch , then close your eyes take a few sips and listen to the verses of Gave It All Up and then listen to the verses of Congratulations, they sound exactly the same. When you open your eyes and realise that you were not dreaming do another faux pour into your glass and play it back again this time with a nod and a smile.  |
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Oct 16, 2010 18:50:41 GMT -5
I don't often sit at my computer and gasp. But I did when I read that, ursamajor. There is nothing to say except that I think ... you are wrong. Bud, sit yourself down, pour yourself a Guiness or a nice single malt Scotch , then close your eyes take a few sips and listen to the verses of Gave It All Up and then listen to the verses of Congratulations, they sound exactly the same. When you open your eyes and realise that you were not dreaming do another faux pour into your glass and play it back again this time with a nod and a smile. Nice comeback, I have to say ... congratulations (heh) on it. I don't often sit at my computer and smile. McCabe |
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 17, 2010 4:56:17 GMT -5
I believe Bob Dylan ripped this song off and it turned out as Congratulations on the first Wilbury album. I don't believe that. They don't sound that familiar, and I just cannot fathom the idea of Dylan listening to RINGO THE 4TH, let alone being inspired by it! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 7:11:10 GMT -5
RINGO THE 4th, Side 1
Go Ringo.... ;D
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Post by coachbk on Oct 17, 2010 12:10:56 GMT -5
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BTW, does "McGear" get in? That is practically a Wings album.[/quote]
McGear is one of my most cherished obscure albums. I would rate it ahead of WILD LIFE, RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, MCCARTNEY II, PRESS TO PLAY, OFF THE GROUND, and DRIVING RAIN. And I don't dislike any of the above albums either.
But it doesn't belong in the tourney. It is a Mike McGear album with "a little help from my friends and a lot of help from my brother".
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 17, 2010 12:16:13 GMT -5
This match is suspenseful! Wonderwall jumps out front quickly but Ringo The 4th makes the quiet comeback cutting the lead in half.
I know of at least one Ringo stalwart you hasn't voted yet and I can think of another who doesn't vote in these tourneys on strict principle. This could be the comeback of the tourney.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Oct 17, 2010 13:04:00 GMT -5
Present, Mr. Damm.
Ringo the 4th, by a wide margin.
Hey, I've got the Wonderwall CD (and video too) but don't see what the fuss is about. I'll listen to it occassionally but am not getting much more out of it than Electronic Sounds, which is a shame because after all it is George during a peak period.
I bought Ringo 4 long after its release, turned away by a) realllllly lousy reviews, b) disco Ringo (!) and c) it follows on a rather lackluster (Rotogravure) album. And while not the best Ringo album out there, I like it! Drowing in the Sea of Love goes on a bit long, but the other tunes on side 1 are all good fun. And Out In The Street is one of my favorite hidden Ringo tracks, Ringo goes "street"! Song pops along, and there's that guy he's visiting at the Dakota! Doesn't anyone else like this track? I think its a gas!
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Post by joeyself on Oct 17, 2010 16:08:30 GMT -5
I went for Ringo. I use the "which side would I more like to hear from start to finish" criteria, and there is too much of WONDERWALL that I simply would want to skip. That's not to say IV is a stellar effort--far from it--but from beginning to end, it would be more pleasing to my hopelessly Western ears.
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Post by mikev on Oct 17, 2010 17:37:38 GMT -5
[quote author BTW, does "McGear" get in? That is practically a Wings album. McGear is one of my most cherished obscure albums. I would rate it ahead of WILD LIFE, RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, MCCARTNEY II, PRESS TO PLAY, OFF THE GROUND, and DRIVING RAIN. And I don't dislike any of the above albums either. But it doesn't belong in the tourney. It is a Mike McGear album with "a little help from my friends and a lot of help from my brother".[/quote] Yeah but his friends are Wings. My rarest vinyl along with the London Philharmonic of Tommy with Ringo as Uncle Ernie- both purchased cheap in a college record strore in 1981. |
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Post by coachbk on Oct 17, 2010 18:58:00 GMT -5
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My rarest vinyl along with the London Philharmonic of Tommy with Ringo as Uncle Ernie- both purchased cheap in a college record strore in 1981.
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Funny, I got my McGear album in a bin outside Harvard for $1 in either 80 or 81! Got collections of Herman's Hermits and the Hollies the same day. A well spent $3 for a guy without much cash!
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Post by mikev on Oct 17, 2010 19:33:07 GMT -5
[quote author My rarest vinyl along with the London Philharmonic of Tommy with Ringo as Uncle Ernie- both purchased cheap in a college record strore in 1981. Funny, I got my McGear album in a bin outside Harvard for $1 in either 80 or 81! Got collections of Herman's Hermits and the Hollies the same day. A well spent $3 for a guy without much cash! [/quote] The record store was closing at Syracuse to make way for a hotel. McGear (used) got put in the $2 bin. The guy said it was a mistake, but sold it to me anyway. |
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Yay! One for Ringo!!
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