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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 8, 2012 22:48:53 GMT -5
I have renamed this thread. The previous name targeted a member. I don't like callout threads. I'm keeping the thread for now, but I have the option to delete it if I think it's necessary.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 5:48:15 GMT -5
Even though the title has been changed, this call-out thread targets me personally, as I am still being mentioned by name by BATB. I really am offended by its being focused directly about me, and I don't feel it should be allowed to exist.
There is no reason to ever supply a specifically designated thread for answering questions asked from other topics. In any other thread on any topic here at AbbeyRd, any discussion remains self-contained in its own folder.
As to the "questions and answers" issue itself -- I had already replied to BATB's "answers" here in another thread of his, giving my reaction. This added topic here exists only to create trouble and put me in the spotlight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 6:02:54 GMT -5
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Post by andyb on Jun 9, 2012 6:07:09 GMT -5
Joe this was a never ending circle last time. BATB is interpreting the information differently to everybody else. Remember the video he posted up with the clip of John answering a question about a lawsuit from Pete? Even though it's interesting it also gets confusing because BATB never seems to concede and posts everywhere. I don't know if I can go through it again. I'll try my best though.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 6:18:01 GMT -5
Remember the video he posted up with the clip of John answering a question about a lawsuit from Pete? Yes, certainly. You mean that one where The Beatles were asked if Pete Best was a former member and did he actually have a law suit against The Beatles -- and John responded "I think he's had a few, but we don't bother about those." [referring to lawsuits] . Yes. BATB twisted this into claiming John was saying Pete was nothing more than a drunkard (??). This is the type of gimmick that's going on here, taking odd quotes here and there, twisting some of them, cherry picking only certain ones and disregarding many others, twisting the meanings of others. Taking little things out of proportion and fashioning them into a bigger scale. Calling Alan Williams and George Harrison "liars" when they say something BATB does not approve of, but citing them as "truthful sources" if they say something that fits into his scheme. Exactly. That's why this thread is here. Maybe there will be another thread started by him to respond to things said here. The amazing thing to me is that he's being encouraged, and nobody sees through this silliness.
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Post by andyb on Jun 9, 2012 7:14:05 GMT -5
Oh god there's no discussion with the man. Joe you have my permission.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 7:15:30 GMT -5
As for calling Allan Williams & George Harrison liars and using their quotes when it suits me and dismissing them when it doesn't, well that simply isn't true. That's a lie right there. Your past posts are full of your cherry picking selected quotes you like as "true" and ones you dislike as "false". No, Lennon was not lying. The interviewer says he's heard that Pete Best had a suit against The Beatles -- and John says he thinks he's had a few of them .... it all may be hearsay, but they may have heard that Pete filed suits. That's absurd. You cannot expect to have corraboration from each and every thing anyone has ever said. I refuse to believe Williams ever took a dump unless someone assures me they'd seen him do it. You began this thread with me as your target. At this point it seems that you are trying to rally others against me. "Joe says..."... And I will continue to do so as I see fit, so long as my words remain within the accepted forum guidelines. I think you are creating an exaggerated faux history which elevates Pete Best to absurd heights, and I intend to expose you. In my opinion you are attempting to make some bucks off this or some name for yourself. But from the evidence you have told us from other Beatle forums, nobody else is having any of this either. All you need to do is respond to others' points/questions/sources, etc., in whatever threads they arise in. You do not need to make multiple threads to push your agenda even further and also attempt to make questioners appear to be "picking on you". Your answers are all dodged around, and you ignore many other valid points that people bring up to contradict you. You do not concede any other facts. I don't have to "look for something to get on you". Everything you write exposes you. You have a very limited range of isolated quotes and people with special vested interests looking to carve a niche for themselves in elevating Pete Best's involvement with The Beatles. I know all that needs to be known about early Beatles history with Pete Best -- he was someone that the Beatles used at the very last minute when they needed "any drummer" to accompany them to Hamburg. New information has arisen showing where Paul put an ad in a paper requesting a drummer, and he was receiving replies only days before they were due to go to Hamburg. If Pete was such a great drummer and they knew him and Mona so well, then why didn't they ask him to join much sooner? Yes, Pete was popular with the ladies. Yes, Pete was well-liked by the fans. But Ringo was always a better fit with the group whenever he would sit in, and the other Beatles much preferred Ringo. So they gave Pete his walking papers, and Ringo joined and they became a worldwide phenomenon only once Ringo took over. There is nothing else that needs to be said. Pete Best is a footnote, and thus it will forever remain no matter what you try and make up. The best contribution Pete ever made was getting sacked. Look who's talking - the king of playing victim! I have always talked about the issues. You have turned a deaf ear.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 7:16:27 GMT -5
Oh god there's no discussion with the man. LOL! ;D That's what it comes down to , doesn't it? ;D I like to think the reason practically nobody else is indulging BATB is because they realize that they're only giving him more credibility than he warrants. This is something I need to realize too and just let him troll on until he leaves again.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 9, 2012 10:22:53 GMT -5
I've further edited the OP to remove the introduction mentioning a member. I took another look at it and decided it wasn't serving the discussion.
And let's keep mentions of lying, diversionary tactics, etc., out of this. The discussion needs to stay on focus. Whatever animosity there is needs to be put aside.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 12:18:37 GMT -5
Joe, I never dismissed Allan William book. You are the one lying. If did please post the link? And what good would that do? You'd only twist and turn things again and not concede anything. Or say no sources are correct unless they're corroborated by someone else. How ridiculous. Don't do me any "favors"... all you had to do was reply to the questions I asked of you three months ago, back in their original thread about Pete Best. You would argue a black horse white, no matter what facts I have produced. I have produced facts, and you have twisted and weaseled your way out of them. You try and change early Beatles history to make it "Pete Best and The Beatles". This will never happen. Pete Best was the inferior drummer who got sacked and made way for Ringo Starr, the Beatles' true classic drummer. I have given you sources -- you ignore them, or say they're not true. I present you with John Lennon's quote of him saying that Pete was a lousy drummer and they were always gonna dump him, and you call him a liar. You accuse all the Beatles of fabricating and covering up. Gotta start somewhere, right? It costs money to make money. I'm sure you're hoping that one day your effort will bear more tasty fruit.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 9, 2012 12:27:23 GMT -5
Folks, I'm one step closer to closing this thread. The personal comments ("You'd only twist and turn things again") and ("Stop evading the issues") are coming from both of you, Joe and BATB, despite my requests not to. Either talk about Pete Best without getting personal or this gets shut down. My patience is wearing thin. I like the discussion. I do not like the personal comments. Understood?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 12:41:02 GMT -5
Folks, I'm one step closer to closing this thread. One can only hope. I did not appreciate this thread being allowed to remain when it was aimed right at me. Steve -- I will work with you, but I honestly must say I don't see any other direction these types of "discussions" can possibly go in. You know who I feel like? Paul McCartney trying to tip the other Fabs off about Klein.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 9, 2012 12:56:12 GMT -5
Folks, I'm one step closer to closing this thread. One can only hope. I did not appreciate this thread being allowed to remain when it was aimed right at me. Steve -- I will work with you, but I honestly must say I don't see any other direction these types of "discussions" can possibly go in. You know who I feel like? Paul McCartney trying to tip the other Fabs off about Klein. A good discussion can happen, Joe. It's not that hard.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 9, 2012 13:02:19 GMT -5
A good discussion can happen, Joe. It's not that hard. Not hard? It's impossible to discuss this particular subject with Mr. BATB! Even AndyB gave up...! AndyB : Look how many months and detours it took to get my basic questions from last March replied to directly. Have you and I been reading the same BATB postings ...? Anyway... Good luck ...
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