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Post by beatleroadie on Sept 14, 2012 9:13:03 GMT -5
Using tracks from Past Masters, Anthology, Let it Roll, Love and the McCartney reissue, a fantasy rarities LP from Christmas, 1969. The Beatles clear out some of their vaults at the close of the decade for a new release that doesn't require them actually recording anything new or even being in the same room together!  Attachments:
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Post by joeyself on Sept 14, 2012 9:35:47 GMT -5
Pretty weak line-up; not saying there's a collection that could have been much better, just that the Fabs didn't leave a lot of gems in the studio shelf at this point.
JcS
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Post by beatleroadie on Sept 14, 2012 9:46:32 GMT -5
"Weak"? With three #1s?
Come and Get It for Badfinger
Isn't It a Pity later for George
Ballad of J+Y for the Beatles
It holds together and flows well as a playlist, too, and while it may not be stacked with the band's A+ material it is a cool listen and does show all sides of their creative personality with poppy stuff, rock stuff, humor and experimental stuff.
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 14, 2012 11:03:06 GMT -5
Wonder why it's called after a track which isn't on it?
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Post by beatleroadie on Sept 14, 2012 12:05:32 GMT -5
Generally, I don't like when albums are named after a track on the album, but prefer unique titles like REVOLVER and RUBBER SOUL.
I picked HOT AS SUN because I liked the title (even more than the song actually) and it was a tune Paul had been playing for years and years, even pre-Beatles, so the band members would be familiar with the phrase....But they didn't have a quality studio recording of it by 1969. Paul wouldn't record his version till early 1970.
So maybe the band would have liked the phrase for something like this. At least, I think it makes it more authentic, or at least more interesting, than picking a song title like "Across the Universe" or a lyric at random. If the fact that the song itself is not on the LP is bothersome, the title could change easily. I imagine if this really happened that Paul would title the song "Hot As Sun" something else on McCartney...perhaps.
Led Zeppelin did it with "Houses of the Holy." The Houses of the Holy LP came out, then their next album Physical Graffiti had a track called "Houses of the Holy."
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Post by joeyself on Sept 14, 2012 12:19:52 GMT -5
"Weak"? With three #1s? Come and Get It for Badfinger Isn't It a Pity later for George Ballad of J+Y for the Beatles It holds together and flows well as a playlist, too, and while it may not be stacked with the band's A+ material it is a cool listen and does show all sides of their creative personality with poppy stuff, rock stuff, humor and experimental stuff. Glad you like it. LET IT BE has three big hits on it, too, and I find it a weak album as well. BTW, Where was "Come And Get It" a #1? In the US, it peaked at 7, and in the UK at 4 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_Get_It_(song). Also, I know "Isn't It A Pity" was the flip of "My Sweet Lord" but by that logic, "You Know My Name" was a #1 single, too. (I'm quite aware that it was credited as a double-A side, but "My Sweet Lord" got 16 times the airplay--see my article on this topic, in the "Damages Portion Of The Case" section abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm)JcS |
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Post by mikev on Sept 14, 2012 12:40:02 GMT -5
Hot As Sun was also a rumored lost LP as reported in Rolling Stone magazine at the time. So well- have to plug the old page again as it is back up after being down for awhile: beatlemoney.com/sliderindex.htmNice job beatleroadie! |
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Post by beatleroadie on Sept 14, 2012 15:46:43 GMT -5
Joey, you may be right about those charts, but my larger point I hold to, which is there are some very popular songs on this mix, not just leftover curiosity pieces (though it has those too).
Badfinger's Come and Get It may have stalled at #4 but surely if the Beatles had released a version it would have gone straight to #1.
Would the catchy and fast harmony-laden Anthology version of Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da have gone to #1? Maybe so, as well.
I thought Isn't It a Pity was #1 in the U.S., but based on a wiki search just now, I see it was O CANADA! I do think a distinction can be made between a b-side and a double-a-side, but well, whatever, it is a great song, and George's Get Back-era demo from Let It Roll is absolutely chilling.
I picked that over the Anthology demo of All Things Must Pass only because ATMP is the title track of George's solo debut, and I didn't want to include much stuff like that or any official solo album recordings...
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 14, 2012 15:59:05 GMT -5
Hot As Sun was also a rumored lost LP as reported in Rolling Stone magazine at the time. So well- have to plug the old page again as it is back up after being down for awhile: beatlemoney.com/sliderindex.htmNice job beatleroadie! The Rolling Stone article was a joke, a nice fantasy, actually. Nothing more. |
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 14, 2012 18:42:37 GMT -5
Hot As Sun was also a rumored lost LP as reported in Rolling Stone magazine at the time. So well- have to plug the old page again as it is back up after being down for awhile: beatlemoney.com/sliderindex.htmNice job beatleroadie! I bought the LP in 1969 or 1970. It was a white album with just Hot As Sun on the cover and it was in the Beatles bin at my local record store. I thought it was a mistake, but I bought it and I was amazed it had The Beatles on it! I didn't know the history behind the album for another 20 years. |
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Post by mikev on Sept 14, 2012 18:51:32 GMT -5
Hot As Sun was also a rumored lost LP as reported in Rolling Stone magazine at the time. So well- have to plug the old page again as it is back up after being down for awhile: beatlemoney.com/sliderindex.htmNice job beatleroadie! I bought the LP in 1969 or 1970. It was a white album with just Hot As Sun on the cover and it was in the Beatles bin at my local record store. I thought it was a mistake, but I bought it and I was amazed it had The Beatles on it! I didn't know the history behind the album for another 20 years. That was probably a boot. Goldmine magazine did an article a couple of years ago and mentioned beatlemoney.com, the host of my 70s Beatles page. www.goldminemag.com/article/inside-the-making-of-the-beatles-abbey-road-part-2 |
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 14, 2012 20:02:29 GMT -5
I bought the LP in 1969 or 1970. It was a white album with just Hot As Sun on the cover and it was in the Beatles bin at my local record store. I thought it was a mistake, but I bought it and I was amazed it had The Beatles on it! I didn't know the history behind the album for another 20 years. That was probably a boot. Goldmine magazine did an article a couple of years ago and mentioned beatlemoney.com, the host of my 70s Beatles page. www.goldminemag.com/article/inside-the-making-of-the-beatles-abbey-road-part-2From that article: As I said, it was a joke. |
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Post by Panther on Sept 15, 2012 8:47:03 GMT -5
This would have been the weakest Beatle LP. I can't stand "Come And Get It", and I just don't think anyone in the camp would have allowed "What's the New Mary Jane" onto an album. Also, George's ATMP songs (like 'Isn't It a Pity') were butchered by The Beatles in '69 -- they just were not the right kind of band to play those songs, which just goes to show that George was right to leave the band when he did (ditto the others).
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Post by mikev on Sept 15, 2012 9:53:41 GMT -5
This would have been the weakest Beatle LP. I can't stand "Come And Get It", and I just don't think anyone in the camp would have allowed "What's the New Mary Jane" onto an album. Also, George's ATMP songs (like 'Isn't It a Pity') were butchered by The Beatles in '69 -- they just were not the right kind of band to play those songs, which just goes to show that George was right to leave the band when he did (ditto the others). I Don't agree that ATMP songs wouldn't have been for the Beatles with some exceptions of course- the "Lord" tunes. But, I love them as they are and glad he did it that way. You can't go by the Get Back sessions. I imagine ATMP, Isn't it a Pity and Beware of Darkness (even with the spiritual themes)would have fit right into Abbey Road. But it is pure speculation. |
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Post by Panther on Sept 15, 2012 11:03:29 GMT -5
I don't think The Beatles were the band to do George's 1969-70 songs justice. They had about a thousand goes at 'All Things Must Pass', and they were all shite. George's heart then was with The Band and Bob Dylan, and not at all with Beatle-style (if there is such a thing) music.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 15, 2012 15:13:50 GMT -5
I bought the LP in 1969 or 1970. It was a white album with just Hot As Sun on the cover and it was in the Beatles bin at my local record store. I thought it was a mistake, but I bought it and I was amazed it had The Beatles on it! I didn't know the history behind the album for another 20 years. That was probably a boot. Goldmine magazine did an article a couple of years ago and mentioned beatlemoney.com, the host of my 70s Beatles page. www.goldminemag.com/article/inside-the-making-of-the-beatles-abbey-road-part-2I agree, it is a boot. But I didn't know what a boot was circa 1970, at age 15. Plus, the White Album had only come out a little more than a year ago, so I just thought it was a new Beatle album done in yet another creative way. In 1990, while in Amsterdam singing a gig there, I came across a huge record store full of all the Beatle bootleg CD's, ie. Yellow Dog, etc. and that was my revelation as to what a bootleg was, and then I realized what Hot As Sun was that I had in my possession. I loaded up on all the Beatle bootlegs I could buy (I must have spent close to $500 in that Dutch record store and shipped them all back the the USA). It took me months to listen to them all and I was like a pig in mud-heaven listening to hundreds of Beatle outakes! Then four years later, the Anthology project started releasing "official" outakes.... |
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Post by mikev on Sept 15, 2012 15:21:36 GMT -5
That was probably a boot. Goldmine magazine did an article a couple of years ago and mentioned beatlemoney.com, the host of my 70s Beatles page. www.goldminemag.com/article/inside-the-making-of-the-beatles-abbey-road-part-2the Hot As Sun disc would be worth something to collectors. Another beatleg that influenced my 70s LP page was the three disc Black Album, mostly taken from the Nagra reels. I agree, it is a boot. But I didn't know what a boot was circa 1970, at age 15. Plus, the White Album had only come out a little more than a year ago, so I just thought it was a new Beatle album done in yet another creative way. In 1990, while in Amsterdam singing a gig there, I came across a huge record store full of all the Beatle bootleg CD's, ie. Yellow Dog, etc. and that was my revelation as to what a bootleg was, and then I realized what Hot As Sun was that I had in my possession. I loaded up on all the Beatle bootlegs I could buy (I must have spent close to $500 in that Dutch record store and shipped them all back the the USA). It took me months to listen to them all and I was like a pig in mud-heaven listening to hundreds of Beatle outakes! Then four years later, the Anthology project started releasing "official" outakes.... the Hot As Sun disc would be worth something to collectors. Another beatleg that influenced my 70s LP page was the three disc Black Album, mostly taken from the Nagra reels. |
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Post by mikev on Sept 15, 2012 15:24:37 GMT -5
I don't think The Beatles were the band to do George's 1969-70 songs justice. They had about a thousand goes at 'All Things Must Pass', and they were all shite. George's heart then was with The Band and Bob Dylan, and not at all with Beatle-style (if there is such a thing) music. Justice? Here Comes the Sun and Something?? But you are right about his Dylan/Band influence and it was still time for him to break out, it is just sad how they all discussed doing solo stuff, then regrouping. |
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 15, 2012 19:02:01 GMT -5
Back a couple of decades ago, I was looking through the back pages of a magazine and it had an ad for rare cds and videos (vhs). One of the vhs tapes was Let it Be, which I purchased. It had terrible color, looked like it was black and white it was so faded out, and it had a static line through the bottom half of the screen.
I loved it. I had never seen the film and was thankful for what I could get.
In the package when it arrived was a catalog for more cds and vhs tapes. Now this was some real rare stuff. This is where I got my copy of The Let It Be Rehearsals Vol 1: the Complete Rooftop Concert. It was a great cd. It had the rooftop show and a lot of in studio jamming. I really enjoy it more than anything I have been privy to since.
Too bad this and other stuff like it are not more readily available.
I know Let it Be was legally released at one point and then legally pulled back from release. Supposively all of the copies that existed prior to the recall were legal. I'm not sure how they got away with selling the Rooftop Concert.
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Post by mikev on Sept 15, 2012 19:26:34 GMT -5
Back a couple of decades ago, I was looking through the back pages of a magazine and it had an ad for rare cds and videos (vhs). One of the vhs tapes was Let it Be, which I purchased. It had terrible color, looked like it was black and white it was so faded out, and it had a static line through the bottom half of the screen. I loved it. I had never seen the film and was thankful for what I could get. In the package when it arrived was a catalog for more cds and vhs tapes. Now this was some real rare stuff. This is where I got my copy of The Let It Be Rehearsals Vol 1: the Complete Rooftop Concert. It was a great cd. It had the rooftop show and a lot of in studio jamming. I really enjoy it more than anything I have been privy to since. Too bad this and other stuff like it are not more readily available. I know Let it Be was legally released at one point and then legally pulled back from release. Supposively all of the copies that existed prior to the recall were legal. I'm not sure how they got away with selling the Rooftop Concert. I have the "official" VHS. The official laser disc was made off of this copy, so it really was no better-grainy mono. But if you enjoyed the Let it Be Rehearsals, there is still a wealth of Nagra material out there. I still haven't touched the surface myself. Some rehearsals are very very good, and there are several very good versions of songs that made the LPs. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 23:51:13 GMT -5
The boots are fine but i like the official releases best.....
I do like the boots of Strawberry Fields though where you get to hear the song evolving into the spliced together final version...
I don't like the fact the final version is the result of studio trickery...they should have re-recorded it.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 23:52:38 GMT -5
Using tracks from Past Masters, Anthology, Let it Roll, Love and the McCartney reissue, a fantasy rarities LP from Christmas, 1969. The Beatles clear out some of their vaults at the close of the decade for a new release that doesn't require them actually recording anything new or even being in the same room together! Horrible cover |
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Post by nine on Sept 16, 2012 20:01:27 GMT -5
I don't think The Beatles were the band to do George's 1969-70 songs justice. They had about a thousand goes at 'All Things Must Pass', and they were all shite. George's heart then was with The Band and Bob Dylan, and not at all with Beatle-style (if there is such a thing) music. I much prefer The Beatles renditions of George's songs on Abbey Road to the production and playing on All Things Must Pass. |
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Post by Panther on Sept 16, 2012 21:04:55 GMT -5
I much prefer The Beatles renditions of George's songs on Abbey Road to the production and playing on All Things Must Pass. 'Here Comes The Sun' and 'Something' are non-typical of the songs George was writing at this time. They're by far the two most McCartney-esque songs he ever did. Indeed they sound perfect as they are. |
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Post by mikev on Sept 17, 2012 9:10:57 GMT -5
here is one art cover version of a Beatleg  |
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Post by vectisfabber on Sept 17, 2012 9:40:08 GMT -5
Had this collection been issued in, say, the early 80s - long after the last fresh material and well before Anthology was even a suggestion - I would have been all over it like a rash.
Had it been issued in late 1970/early 1971, as if it were fresh - if stopgap - material, I would have been bitterly disappointed.
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Post by beatleroadie on Sept 17, 2012 11:56:22 GMT -5
Gosh darnit, I was hoping everyone would think this is a better LP than Revolver and Sgt. Pepper rolled into one! Panther, of course, by definition something like this would be their weakest LP. It's outtakes and leftovers with one recent, stray single/b-side added in, and it would have to be marketed that way. The point would be just to clear the vaults at the end of the decade. The Beatles may not have done "Isn't It a Pity" justice in a few days of rehearsals (as heard on Get Back boots), but George's demo from the era included on Let it Roll is fantastic. That's the version on this compilation I've made. Across the Universe is much better here than the overblown, too-slow Spector version on Let it Be. Come and Get It is classic McCartney power pop with a great vocal performance...better than Maxwell or Honey Pie or All Together Now, anyway.... Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da may not be everyone's cuppa tea, but the Anthology version cooks and grooves much better than the White Album version. Paul stated WMGGW acoustic was his favorite version of the song, and it's radically different arrangement and extra verse make it more than worth including. Again, a great vocal performance, this time a tender reading from George. You Know My Name has some delicious bass, and it's so infectious and funny as a "pub" song and is completely unique in the band's catalog All four Beatles contributing (and obviously having fun), plus Brian Jones on sax, makes this a must listen. I always found Mary Jane rather funny in Lennon's typical wordplay style, and the second half is interesting as a sonic exploration (a la Revolution 9). If John wanted it on a rarities LP in 1969, then it would have gone on there. No one could veto Revolution 9, and they wouldn't have been able to veto Mary Jane either. It seems the only time the others had veto power over John was in choosing the A-sides for the singles. Any other time, he got his way. He obviously liked the recording because he and Yoko spent time going back and doing a full day of overdubs on it and planned to release it on Zapple, until Paul nixed his plan to use You Know My Name as the b-side. |
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Post by mikev on Sept 17, 2012 12:20:59 GMT -5
Gosh darnit, I was hoping everyone would think this is a better LP than Revolver and Sgt. Pepper rolled into one! Panther, of course, by definition something like this would be their weakest LP. It's outtakes and leftovers with one recent, stray single/b-side added in, and it would have to be marketed that way. The point would be just to clear the vaults at the end of the decade. The Beatles may not have done "Isn't It a Pity" justice in a few days of rehearsals (as heard on Get Back boots), but George's demo from the era included on Let it Roll is fantastic. That's the version on this compilation I've made. Across the Universe is much better here than the overblown, too-slow Spector version on Let it Be. Come and Get It is classic McCartney power pop with a great vocal performance...better than Maxwell or Honey Pie or All Together Now, anyway.... Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da may not be everyone's cuppa tea, but the Anthology version cooks and grooves much better than the White Album version. Paul stated WMGGW acoustic was his favorite version of the song, and it's radically different arrangement and extra verse make it more than worth including. Again, a great vocal performance, this time a tender reading from George. You Know My Name has some delicious bass, and it's so infectious and funny as a "pub" song and is completely unique in the band's catalog All four Beatles contributing (and obviously having fun), plus Brian Jones on sax, makes this a must listen. I always found Mary Jane rather funny in Lennon's typical wordplay style, and the second half is interesting as a sonic exploration (a la Revolution 9). If John wanted it on a rarities LP in 1969, then it would have gone on there. No one could veto Revolution 9, and they wouldn't have been able to veto Mary Jane either. It seems the only time the others had veto power over John was in choosing the A-sides for the singles. Any other time, he got his way. He obviously liked the recording because he and Yoko spent time going back and doing a full day of overdubs on it and planned to release it on Zapple, until Paul nixed his plan to use You Know My Name as the b-side. I think it would be too good for the Zapple label, but critics would have slammed it as a "mainstream" release- or maybe not.. Nagra reels actually could have made for a great Zapple release. Volumes 1-612  . |
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 17, 2012 19:38:29 GMT -5
I would have found a spot for Paul's Goodbye. It's just Paul and his acoustic, but it sounds finished.
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Post by mikev on Sept 17, 2012 21:47:36 GMT -5
I would have found a spot for Paul's Goodbye. It's just Paul and his acoustic, but it sounds finished. except it is from a female perspective ;D |
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