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Post by andyb on Sept 13, 2013 12:42:59 GMT -5
Let it Be isn't a mediocre album. There's some cracking songs on there. I was refering more to putting songs on the LP recorded after January of 1969. I like both the Spector and Johns copies of the LP itself. Aruguably you could have also added Inner Light, Hey Jude, Revolution, Mary Jane, Don't Let Me Down, Ballad, Old Brown Shoe, second disc the Let it Be LP as is, and viola, the Black LP I was referring to the reference made by Joe.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2013 12:49:24 GMT -5
Let it Be isn't a mediocre album. There's some cracking songs on there. Right, there are - some great classics too -- and I do enjoy everything The Beatles recorded, myself... but I'm just trying to be objective about a band I love and try to come up with one of their albums which I'd rate as their "least", overall. To me, that album is LET IT BE as a whole. (This is if we don't count the original YELLOW SUBMARINE soundtrack). If you don't feel LIB is 'mediocre', which of their regular LPs would you say comes "closest" to mediocrity?
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Post by andyb on Sept 13, 2013 12:55:21 GMT -5
Probably Beatles For Sale.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2013 12:56:02 GMT -5
I'm not taking sides. I consider Abbey Road the last album they recorded and I Me Mine the last song they recorded, especially since it was not on Abbey Road. Then you and I are in agreement. But actually it's not even a matter of "agreeing" or "disagreeing"... facts are facts. The facts are: 1.) ABBEY ROAD was the last album The Beatles recorded as a four-man group. 2.) "I Me Mine" is the last Beatles song that three of the four members recorded. Now, just because Paul, George and Ringo went back to do "I Me Mine" (and they also did some work tweaking a few other previously recorded LIB tracks which were recorded back at the start of 1969), this does not make LET IT BE "the last album The Beatles recorded". Mr. FabFour goes back and re-arranges history when he declares that.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 13, 2013 12:57:29 GMT -5
Probably Beatles For Sale. But there are some cracking songs on there! OK, I would also put BEATLES FOR SALE as the "weakest" of their early albums.
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Post by andyb on Sept 13, 2013 13:04:39 GMT -5
Probably Beatles For Sale. But there are some cracking songs on there! OK, I would also put BEATLES FOR SALE as the "weakest" of their early albums. I agree because I've been listening to it a lot recently. For some reason I don't consider their earlier albums proper albums somehow. Meaning that I don't look at them as a cohesive whole. Don't know why. That starts to change from Rubber Soul on though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 18:11:36 GMT -5
As much as some can't except that Abbey Road wasn't the last music recorded, clearly folks other than myself know that Let IT Be tracks were recorded last and that Let It Be was released last, thanks Mike.. did you mean "accept" (and not "except")? I think you did... I'm just trying to understand you... Considering the state i was in when i got home last night, apart from that error, most of my posts were quite Lucid. I was out watching a Creedence cover band and downing a few beverages.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 14, 2013 6:18:09 GMT -5
Considering the state i was in when i got home last night, apart from that error, most of my posts were quite Lucid. I was out watching a Creedence cover band and downing a few beverages. Oh, I see. Perhaps that also explains why you think LET IT BE was the last album the Beatles recorded together as a group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 6:38:03 GMT -5
Considering the state i was in when i got home last night, apart from that error, most of my posts were quite Lucid. I was out watching a Creedence cover band and downing a few beverages. Oh, I see. Perhaps that explains why you think LET IT BE was the last album the Beatles recorded together as a group. No, it's why i made a grammatical error. Thanks for pointing that out. I know that Let IT BE was worked on before Abbey Road, however it was shelved, they recorded Abbey Road, then went back to Let It Be, tidied some aspects of it and released it last. I hope you understand this post. I hope you eventually understand Beatles history. I hope you eventually understand that Let It Be is their best album, who cares about the tension when they recorded it. Does anyone know what the tension was like when they recorded Abbey Road, i doubt it mirrored any of the sessions when they recorded their earlier albums.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 14, 2013 7:07:02 GMT -5
I know that Let IT BE was worked on before Abbey Road, however it was shelved, they recorded Abbey Road, then went back to Let It Be, tidied some aspects of it and released it last. I hope you understand this post. I hope you eventually understand Beatles history. I guess Mark Lewisohn, Beatles Historian, needs to understand Beatles history too, then -- because he says that ABBEY ROAD was the final Beatles album. It means nothing that only three of the four Beatles went back to LIB and tidied up two or three songs off the entire album before releasing it out of sequence. The tension is only a small part of it ... Fleetwood Mac's RUMOURS was recorded under the most impossible personal conditions and yet it is one of the greatest records ever created. With LET IT BE, it's just half-baked, and furthermore is not really what The Beatles intended going into it, with the Phil Spector tampering and so forth (even though I do like some of Spector's meddling) . It's well documented that overall it was a happy album experience to make, if not perfect. But aside from that, ABBEY ROAD is a much superior album, and often considered one of their best, if not THE very best. Your problem is that since you consider LET IT BE the Beatles' "best album ever" (which is already hard enough to believe) you want it to be their very last recorded work that they ever did together. And it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 7:22:48 GMT -5
I know that Let IT BE was worked on before Abbey Road, however it was shelved, they recorded Abbey Road, then went back to Let It Be, tidied some aspects of it and released it last. I hope you understand this post. I hope you eventually understand Beatles history. I guess Mark Lewisohn, Beatles Historian, needs to understand Beatles history too, then -- because he says that ABBEY ROAD was the final Beatles album. It means nothing that only three of the four Beatles went back to LIB and tidied up two or three songs off the entire album before releasing it out of sequence. The tension is only a small part of it ... Fleetwood Mac's RUMOURS was recorded under the most impossible personal conditions and yet it is one of the greatest records ever created. With LET IT BE, it's just half-baked, and furthermore is not really what The Beatles intended going into it, with the Phil Spector tampering and so forth (even though I do like some of Spector's meddling) . It's well documented that overall it was a happy album experience to make, if not perfect. But aside from that, ABBEY ROAD is a much superior album, and often considered one of their best, if not THE very best. Your problem is that since you consider LET IT BE the Beatles' "best album ever" (which is already hard enough to believe) you want it to be their very last recorded work that they ever did together. And it is not. Something can only be the last if nothing came after it, unfortunately for the Abbey Road fans something did come after it, both a recording session for Let It Be and then the album release. But i guess that can be ignored if one wants to alter reality. It's not PGR's fault that John was holed up in a bag eating acorns when they finished Let It Be, sometime after Abbey Road. If Lewisohn was 100% accurate then he wouldn't have the critics that he has...
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 14, 2013 7:33:43 GMT -5
Let it Be has been my favorite album off and on since it came out. It's never been out of my top five favorites. It doesn't sound unfinished at all. Neither does McCartney, a contender for favorite solo Beatle album.
I think because people hear all the outtakes where they are learning the songs, people tend to associate that with the finished product. By the time they got to the rooftop, they knew the songs and they played them well.
There is a looseness to the songs because the band was playing them live. Or you could say Abbey Road sounds cold and mechanical next to Let it Be because it was more pieced together and less spontaneous (That's not completely true. Wasn't the medley played live by the band?).
It's funny, John was the one who said no studio trickery but he was the one who gave the tapes to Phil, a man known for the Wall of Sound. Paul just wanted them to be songs the band could play live.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 7:42:59 GMT -5
Let it Be has been my favorite album off and on since it came out. It's never been out of my top five favorites. It doesn't sound unfinished at all. Neither does McCartney, a contender for favorite solo Beatle album. I think because people hear all the outtakes where they are learning the songs, people tend to associate that with the finished product. By the time they got to the rooftop, they knew the songs and they played them well. There is a looseness to the songs because the band was playing them live. Or you could say Abbey Road sounds cold and mechanical next to Let it Be because it was more pieced together and less spontaneous (That's not completely true. Wasn't the medley played live by the band?). It's funny, John was the one who said no studio trickery but he was the one who gave the tapes to Phil, a man known for the Wall of Sound. Paul just wanted them to be songs the band could play live. Let It Be is a great body of work, the songs are fantastic, Paul has played songs of this album all throughout his solo career, he recognises how good this album is, he just doesn't like the fact he had no say in it being Spectorised. Paul has played the Spectorised version of the LAWR in his solo career, probably more often than his own Naked version, go figure on that one.
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Post by mikev on Sept 14, 2013 10:36:06 GMT -5
Let it Be has been my favorite album off and on since it came out. It's never been out of my top five favorites. It doesn't sound unfinished at all. Neither does McCartney, a contender for favorite solo Beatle album. I think because people hear all the outtakes where they are learning the songs, people tend to associate that with the finished product. By the time they got to the rooftop, they knew the songs and they played them well. There is a looseness to the songs because the band was playing them live. Or you could say Abbey Road sounds cold and mechanical next to Let it Be because it was more pieced together and less spontaneous (That's not completely true. Wasn't the medley played live by the band?). It's funny, John was the one who said no studio trickery but he was the one who gave the tapes to Phil, a man known for the Wall of Sound. Paul just wanted them to be songs the band could play live. Let It Be is a great body of work, the songs are fantastic, Paul has played songs of this album all throughout his solo career, he recognises how good this album is, he just doesn't like the fact he had no say in it being Spectorised. Paul has played the Spectorised version of the LAWR in his solo career, probably more often than his own Naked version, go figure on that one. That's an easy one- he plays his hits close to the original arrangements, opposite Bob Dylan who always changes his own material up. LAWR was a no. 1 single as produced by Spector, Of course Paul's arrangement substitutes keyboards for an orchestra. I think the only song he improvised a bit on was the moere recent I Saw Her Standing There, where he actually allowed his band to rock out a little.
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Post by mikev on Sept 14, 2013 10:39:16 GMT -5
just to add to my own assessment of Let it Be- I actually bought the remaster CD BEFORE Revolver and STILL don't have Pepper (though I have the 86 CDs for all three). I didn't buy Pepper mostly because I have a FLAC of stellar Pepper vinyl-both mono and stereo.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 14, 2013 11:46:27 GMT -5
Something can only be the last if nothing came after it, unfortunately for the Abbey Road fans something did come after it, both a recording session for Let It Be and then the album release. But i guess that can be ignored if one wants to alter reality. OK, then by your logic the truly "last" Beatles albums are more likely THE ANTHOLOGY 1-3, or LOVE. I'm sure other members are getting fed up with this back and forth foolishness, but you're being ridiculous. Can't you distinguish between an album that was RECORDED as a group last, and an album that was RELEASED as a group last? John was finished with The Beatles. As far as he was concerned, they no longer existed. It's also not PGR's fault that John got killed before they worked on new songs for ANTHOLOGY in the 1990s -- so was ANTHOLOGY the last Beatles album...? I mean, after all, it was previously recorded older music and only three of them got together to do a fresh track and tweak things, right? What critics? You're back-peddling now. You were the first one to bring up Lewisohn's name as a "definitive expert" to make your case, but that was before you realized it would backfire on you when I quoted that he says ABBEY ROAD is the last Beatles album. And one thing you ought to get clear on is this: I don't give a rat's ass WHAT was "the last recorded Beatles album"... It's not that I am some "biased Abbey Road Fan"; I couldn't care less whether they recorded LET IT BE last, ABBEY ROAD, WITH THE BEATLES, or PLEASE PLEASE ME last... I just deal in the facts. There is absolutely no personal bias in my stating the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 21:51:53 GMT -5
Anyway,back on topic, i do hope there is a dvd release, warts and all of the Let It Be sessions, full of footage we haven't seen, full of Big Boys Bickering. Released in my Lifetime would be nice, that's not asking for too much from the Beatle people.
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Post by RockoRoll on Sept 14, 2013 22:27:05 GMT -5
John Lennon 'Tortured' By Beatles Session
Female First - 10th September 2013 John Lennon found recording with the Beatles "torture" at the end of their career, and that the band "suffered like Hell" when they were making 'Let It Be'.
The late musician and songwriter talked about the making of the bands final album, 'Let It Be' in 1969 in a recently discovered tape-recorded interview with radio DJ Howard Smith. Speaking about the recordings he says: "We were going through Hell. We often do. It's torture every time we produce anything. "The Beatles haven't got any magic you haven't got. We suffer like Hell anytime we make anything, and we got each other to contend with. Imagine working with the Beatles, it's tough. "There's just tension. It's tense every time the red light [in the recording studio] goes on." He also calls the results of The Beatles 1969 sessions a "strange album" which showed the strained relationship between him and bandmates Sir Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr. The band later split up in 1970. He added: "We never really finished it. We didn't really want to do it. Paul was hustling for us to do it. It's The Beatles with their suits off." Howard found the interview in a crate in his loft in New York and it will now be auctioned off as part of the Marvels of Modern Music memorabilia auction, which takes place in New Hampshire, US, between September 19 and 26.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 23:16:47 GMT -5
John Lennon 'Tortured' By Beatles Session
Female First - 10th September 2013 John Lennon found recording with the Beatles "torture" at the end of their career, and that the band "suffered like Hell" when they were making 'Let It Be'.
The late musician and songwriter talked about the making of the bands final album, 'Let It Be' in 1969 in a recently discovered tape-recorded interview with radio DJ Howard Smith. Speaking about the recordings he says: "We were going through Hell. We often do. It's torture every time we produce anything. "The Beatles haven't got any magic you haven't got. We suffer like Hell anytime we make anything, and we got each other to contend with. Imagine working with the Beatles, it's tough. "There's just tension. It's tense every time the red light [in the recording studio] goes on." He also calls the results of The Beatles 1969 sessions a "strange album" which showed the strained relationship between him and bandmates Sir Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr. The band later split up in 1970. He added: "We never really finished it. We didn't really want to do it. Paul was hustling for us to do it. It's The Beatles with their suits off." Howard found the interview in a crate in his loft in New York and it will now be auctioned off as part of the Marvels of Modern Music memorabilia auction, which takes place in New Hampshire, US, between September 19 and 26. Interesting article Rocko on John talking about the making of the Beatles final album, Let It Be in 1969
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 15, 2013 5:59:43 GMT -5
Interesting article Rocko on John talking about the making of the Beatles final album, Let It Be in 1969 Yes, the final released Beatles album, which is a fact. (Though I wonder by that criteria if ANTHOLOGY is "the final Beatles album"? ). So tell me, fabfour -- are you just having fun now pulling my leg by ignoring obvious history, or are you just actually that stupid? I hope you're just playing dumb. It's obvious that the author of that article did not know the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 6:09:10 GMT -5
Interesting article Rocko on John talking about the making of the Beatles final album, Let It Be in 1969 Yes, the final released Beatles album, which is a fact. (Though I wonder by that criteria if ANTHOLOGY is "the final Beatles album"? ). So tell me, fabfour -- are you just having fun now pulling my leg by ignoring obvious history, or are you just actually that stupid? I hope you're just playing dumb. It's obvious that the author of that article did not know the truth. I think you could pull back a bit on the insults that you've been slowly adding to your posts. You and i will never agree on this subject. I think you are now getting worked up because you aren't getting your own way.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 15, 2013 13:09:52 GMT -5
did you mean "accept" (and not "except")? I think you did... I'm just trying to understand you... Considering the state i was in when i got home last night, apart from that error, most of my posts were quite Lucid. I was out watching a Creedence cover band and downing a few beverages.
I except that answer as I am drinking beer watching my Indianapolis Colts play!
Did the John Fogerty guy look like John or did he look like James "BigMac" McCartney?
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 15, 2013 13:18:22 GMT -5
Yes let's all take a deep breath, savor the great music on every Beatles album and get high with a little help from our friends.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 15, 2013 16:10:38 GMT -5
Yes, the final released Beatles album, which is a fact. (Though I wonder by that criteria if ANTHOLOGY is "the final Beatles album"? ). So tell me, fabfour -- are you just having fun now pulling my leg by ignoring obvious history, or are you just actually that stupid? I hope you're just playing dumb. It's obvious that the author of that article did not know the truth. I think you could pull back a bit on the insults that you've been slowly adding to your posts. You and i will never agree on this subject. I think you are now getting worked up because you aren't getting your own way. Moderator post: Guys, while disagreement is normal, personal comments like "are you that stupid" are taking it too far. You can disagree, but let's keep the personal stuff out. Thanks.
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Post by markc on Sept 16, 2013 8:04:05 GMT -5
What Beatles album has Paul played the most songs from live? Can any Beatle album be recreated with all live versions by either the Beatles as a group or solo? For example John live Come Together, George live Something etc.
I guess for Abbey Road you can add out takes for Because, PP, MMM and SCITTBW etc to round it out.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 16, 2013 18:27:26 GMT -5
I think you could pull back a bit on the insults that you've been slowly adding to your posts. You and i will never agree on this subject. I think you are now getting worked up because you aren't getting your own way. Just for the record, this is not about me getting my own way, and it is not about you getting your own way. There is only ONE "correct way", and that is, the accurate history of these two albums. Regardless of either of our "personal wants", it is a fact that ABBEY ROAD was the last album recorded by all four Beatles as a group. (Though not 'last released'). There is nothing for you and I to disagree on; these are the facts.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 16, 2013 18:35:39 GMT -5
Moderator post: Guys, while disagreement is normal, personal comments like "are you that stupid" are taking it too far. You can disagree, but let's keep the personal stuff out. Thanks. I understand about the insults, and it was too much. But I'd like to say that what prompted them had nothing to do with "disagreement"... One person can like 'A' better than 'B', and that is an honest disagreement of opinion. But what does tend to be irksome enough to prompt such an over the line reaction is when someone is being deliberately obtuse to facts.
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Post by mikev on Sept 16, 2013 19:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Sept 16, 2013 21:52:54 GMT -5
Moderator post: Guys, while disagreement is normal, personal comments like "are you that stupid" are taking it too far. You can disagree, but let's keep the personal stuff out. Thanks. I understand about the insults, and it was too much. But I'd like to say that what prompted them had nothing to do with "disagreement"... One person can like 'A' better than 'B', and that is an honest disagreement of opinion. But what does tend to be irksome enough to prompt such an over the line reaction is when someone is being deliberately obtuse to facts. I understand, Joe. But just make your point without getting personal. I know there are times when someone may want to use names, but it's really better it doesn't go there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 4:24:27 GMT -5
Nice cover, very final that picture.
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