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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 6, 2014 9:48:34 GMT -5
[It is pathetic that he still is entitled to get visits from his wife while in prison. His eyes light up in a Barbara Walters interview when she is mentioned, and he happily says "she is my gemstone". Now, here's a crazy thought ... (I never would do this myself personally), but for some angry and crazed fanatic out there who still wishes someone would have killed this jerk of all jerks, but cannot get to him in prison -- why not knock off his wife? The only thing this slime ball has to live for is his wife . He robbed the world of John Lennon, so I hope that some unhinged person else out there gets the idea to return the deed, and then cause him similar anguish. If she ever turns up dead the law will be paying you a visit. That suggestion is beyond disturbing. You know who would call you a fool (and maybe worse) if he were here - John Lennon.
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 6, 2014 9:50:43 GMT -5
BTW - I don't like using him name either, but I don't curl up into the fetal position when someone does.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 6, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -5
BTW - I don't like using him name either, but I don't curl up into the fetal position when someone does. BTW - neither do I.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 7, 2014 6:13:55 GMT -5
If she ever turns up dead the law will be paying you a visit. I don't appreciate you threatening me. If such a thing ever occurred, the law would find nothing regarding me, as I would/could never become involved in such a thing, and my alibi would be tight. Firstly, we don't know what John Lennon would have thought. Knowing John's unconventional psyche, anything's possible. Secondly, I don't base my own thoughts on what John Lennon would or would not approve of. Thirdly, I would also call John a fool (or worse) for some things he thought or did.
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 7, 2014 22:26:35 GMT -5
Threaten you???
John would also say, "Control yourself. You'll spurt"
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 8, 2014 5:29:49 GMT -5
Threaten you??? John would also say, "Control yourself. You'll spurt" Still thinking I should live based on what John would have said/thought, hmm? Anywho ...my statement was very calm (though you seemed like you might have busted a blood vessel when replying to my other observation).
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 8, 2014 19:36:58 GMT -5
Threaten you??? John would also say, "Control yourself. You'll spurt" Still thinking I should live based on what John would have said/thought, hmm? Anywho ...my statement was very calm (though you seemed like you might have busted a blood vessel when replying to my other observation).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 8, 2014 19:52:38 GMT -5
You began the personal sniping here. I was literally going to post one of your trademark "train wreck" photos when you first crawled out from under your rock here a few posts ago and tried to derail the thread by starting trouble with me, and first referred to me as a 'fool' (speaking through John's ghost - clever). You're a tool .
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 8, 2014 22:01:10 GMT -5
I hate how the killer divides even us fans and Board members.
He is in prison for at least two more years although I admit it sounds like a cush gig for him and he still gets to pound his hag wife.
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 9, 2014 7:06:16 GMT -5
I hate how the killer divides even us fans and Board members. He is in prison for at least two more years although I admit it sounds like a cush gig for him and he still gets to pound his hag wife. Usually my train wreck photo indicates that for me personally, the conversation has gone off the rails and can't reasonably go anymore. But just to respond to JSD's thought: Lennon's murderer is not creating a divide for me. I don't give him much thought. I simply reacted to the very idea that MURDERING someone as it was suggested above was foolish. I still think so. I actually used that word rather than other, more harsh words which would have been appropriate. I used John to make my point because he was indeed the murder victim. Also, I always liked John's thought that he would not kill for the sake of killing, but only to defend himself. I wish he (or Yoko) had been "packing" that night in 1980. For this I am called - directly - a tool. FYI - I did not crawl out from under a rock. Is it OK to only post occasionally? And consider this...Maybe people are driven away from the board by crap like this. No train images here Joe. No sarcasm. Call me a few more names if it makes you feel better. I believe I'm done and have made my point.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 9, 2014 10:18:32 GMT -5
Snooks, my comment was not aimed at just your and Joe's differing views but all of us. Some fans really hate the killer and though they wouldn't really hurt him, don't have nice thoughts about him and are killing him in their mind. Others are much more forgiving and in fact think he is not really culpable because of his mental state of mind at the time. Some fans don't think he did it at all or was just a brainwashed patsy for secret government agencies. There are such differing views on the killer yet we all come together on the absolute anguish and heartache at losing John.
Talk of John's killer always get heated. I thought it important to post the news here of his latest parole denial as that seemed some slight good news but I get sad when we argue over him. That is how he wins, not whether we say his name or not, but when he causes such division among people who 100% miss John.
It is interesting to me that Yoko cites among her reasons not to release the killer is his own safety, Yoko stating a distraught fan of John could hunt him down. I agree that John would not like that and I think Yoko doesn't either. For what it is worth, I didn't think Joe said he would harm the wife but that a distraught fan who can't get the imprisoned killer might view that as the next best thing.
The killer must be worried about that too as he spends time in the current transcript saying she didn't know what he was going to do his last trip to NYC. I still don't like the wife though.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 10, 2014 6:19:18 GMT -5
For this I am called - directly - a tool. No, it was because you were the first one to name-call. And you did it by Paul's RAM method of being rather indirect about it (saying that it would have been JL who would call me a "fool"). I suppose I took more of John's direct "How Do You Sleep" approach in my retort. As long as you don't call me one first again, there will be no need. You started the "crap like this". And your train wreck photos actually add more civil unrest when you post them. Of course I have considered that maybe some people are driven away. That's their problem. Some people don't have the stamina for anything but glowingly talking about how great SGT PEPPER is for the umpteenth time. I believe John S. Damm knows what I mean, and may have my back on that - at least to some degree; there is nothing going on these boards though that is as heinous as you make it sound. One last thing: As JSD explained, I was not talking of me harming the killer's wife; just expressing a thought that if some nut out there was so bent on affectively getting to the vermin, this was an option for him. But then you turned it into "me". It was obvious that I meant no such thing regarding myself, and I even said so plainly in my original post. I never would/could harm anyone personally, except maybe in self-defense as you suggested... and even then, I don't think it would come easily to me.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 10, 2014 15:24:08 GMT -5
I wonder what we as John Lennon admirers can do, if anything, to help keep the killer in prison for life if that is how we feel?
I wonder if the N.Y. Parole Board takes fans' letters seriously? Clearly, the greatest weight must be given the family's wishes it seems but I wish there was something proactive we all could do to lend a hand in a constructive way.
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Post by Snookeroo on Sept 10, 2014 19:54:21 GMT -5
Joe - thanks for comparing me to Macca. Although, I don't base my thought on what Paul would do :-) I've gotten positive feedback from people on the train wreck photos. So someone finds them amusing, and that's all they're there for. JSD - I think that most Lennon fans can't "imagine" the bastard actually getting released. If there was ever a real chance of that the fans would surely unite. maybe they do and we just don't know it. I had a fantasy about what I'd like to do regarding this guy. I want to buy the copy of DOUBLE FANTASY that John famously singed for him hours before the murder. Then go outside the prison where he could see me, and burn the album. Let the cover turn to dust, and the disc just melt. For reasons I'm not sure of, I'd love to do that.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 10, 2014 22:11:44 GMT -5
Joe - thanks for comparing me to Macca. Although, I don't base my thought on what Paul would do :-) I've gotten positive feedback from people on the train wreck photos. So someone finds them amusing, and that's all they're there for. JSD - I think that most Lennon fans can't "imagine" the bastard actually getting released. If there was ever a real chance of that the fans would surely unite. maybe they do and we just don't know it. I had a fantasy about what I'd like to do regarding this guy. I want to buy the copy of DOUBLE FANTASY that John famously singed for him hours before the murder. Then go outside the prison where he could see me, and burn the album. Let the cover turn to dust, and the disc just melt. For reasons I'm not sure of, I'd love to do that. I'll bring the matches...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 11, 2014 6:00:39 GMT -5
I'll bring the matches... Not sure how this would affect the guy at all...
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Post by Panther on Sept 27, 2014 22:30:47 GMT -5
So, what's the deal here? He gets out -- potentially -- in two years? They can only keep denying his parole for so long, right?
I definitely think that if Chapman sees the light of day this decade sometime, the prison-system will have to arrange a way for him to live abroad, or at least in some protected place. I do think a nutter will try to take him out, if his whereabouts become public knowledge. And there are enough nutters in the Beatles' story now; we don't need more.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 29, 2014 12:18:57 GMT -5
So, what's the deal here? He gets out -- potentially -- in two years? They can only keep denying his parole for so long, right? I definitely think that if Chapman sees the light of day this decade sometime, the prison-system will have to arrange a way for him to live abroad, or at least in some protected place. I do think a nutter will try to take him out, if his whereabouts become public knowledge. And there are enough nutters in the Beatles' story now; we don't need more. I think you will be shown right Panther that at some point he will be granted parole and I know you are not advocating that, it just seems to be human nature to forget and/or forgive although I have been amazed(and happy) that the key Charles Manson people from the Tate/La Bianca murders get routinely turned down and they were convicted about 10 years before John's killer. And my memory is that two years ago when he was last denied parole John's killer told the Board he had a secret place lined up for him and Gloria to live. I can't recall the connection between the killer and the person offering this secret, secured location but it may have been through a Christian faith connection. The killer is a smart boy, he knows he needs to assure the Board not just that he is a changed(repentent) man but that he has a safety plan in place for release so his release doesn't trigger more violence. I really, really hate his crime but when you think of it, he was a product of our society through and through. Maybe Western society should also be indicted for John's horrific murder.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 29, 2014 19:18:21 GMT -5
I think you will be shown right Panther that at some point he will be granted parole and I know you are not advocating that, it just seems to be human nature to forget and/or forgive although I have been amazed(and happy) that the key Charles Manson people from the Tate/La Bianca murders get routinely turned down and they were convicted about 10 years before John's killer. And my memory is that two years ago when he was last denied parole John's killer told the Board he had a secret place lined up for him and Gloria to live. I can't recall the connection between the killer and the person offering this secret, secured location but it may have been through a Christian faith connection. The killer is a smart boy, he knows he needs to assure the Board not just that he is a changed(repentent) man but that he has a safety plan in place for release so his release doesn't trigger more violence. I really, really hate his crime but when you think of it, he was a product of our society through and through. Maybe Western society should also be indicted for John's horrific murder. I am a part of Western Society, and I refuse to be blamed or indicted for John's murder. If you take a life, you must face the consequences. Why do criminals try to find ways to blame society, or their upbringing for their behavior? I see nothing in the history of the scum who killed John that justifies his crime. Now he wants to be released so he can have a life with his wife somewhere in secret and enjoy all the privledges and pleasures of a life he denied John of getting in HIS middle and late years? With his sons and wife? With HIS talents in music that were forever silenced? Sorry, no chance. John's life was snuffed out for no other reason than this animal wanted fame from his crime. He gave up his own right to live out his own life when he chose to end John's. He was given a life sentence. He should have gotten the death penalty. If he deserves to be given leniency now, what does that say for others who choose to commit the same crime? It tells them; "Go ahead and do it, and maybe someday we'll forgive and forget, and you can get out of prison and enjoy the remainder of your life as you choose." No way. I believe this scum will never be granted parole.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Sept 30, 2014 8:13:16 GMT -5
I think you will be shown right Panther that at some point he will be granted parole and I know you are not advocating that, it just seems to be human nature to forget and/or forgive although I have been amazed(and happy) that the key Charles Manson people from the Tate/La Bianca murders get routinely turned down and they were convicted about 10 years before John's killer. I don't believe he will ever get out, nor should he. It's not about "forgive and forget" or "becoming rehabilitated".. it is about forfeiting your own life (or freedom) as a punishment for taking another's life. I'm in agreement with lowbasso, in that I'm not going to be indicted for this maniac's mental issues. Nobody is to blame for this crime other than the killer himself. No way was he "a product of our society through and through"... not even a little. He was a product of his own fantasies and delusions.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 30, 2014 11:24:07 GMT -5
Christianity tells us to "hate the sin but love the sinner." That is indeed hard to do! It confuses me.
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Post by mikev on Sept 30, 2014 11:24:30 GMT -5
I think you will be shown right Panther that at some point he will be granted parole and I know you are not advocating that, it just seems to be human nature to forget and/or forgive although I have been amazed(and happy) that the key Charles Manson people from the Tate/La Bianca murders get routinely turned down and they were convicted about 10 years before John's killer. I don't believe he will ever get out, nor should he. It's not about "forgive and forget" or "becoming rehabilitated".. it is about forfeiting your own life (or freedom) as a punishment for taking another's life. I'm in agreement with lowbasso, in that I'm not going to be indicted for this maniac's mental issues. Nobody is to blame for this crime other than the killer himself. No way was he "a product of our society through and through"... not even a little. He was a product of his own fantasies and delusions. My general feelings with someone like that...he gets out and harms or kills another celebrity or ANYONE for that matter. You (parole person) gonna be like Will Smith in Independence Day and go "whoops!!!!"?
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 30, 2014 13:29:02 GMT -5
Christianity tells us to "hate the sin but love the sinner." That is indeed hard to do! It confuses me. Christianity also use to do the same thing ISIS is now doing in the Middle East. During the Crusades and into the Renaissance, they used to burn heretics at the stake for being non-believers in Christianity. Christianity has always been full of humanity which is fallible and interprets its beliefs for the good of its own purposes, just like many other religions. I hear you John with your quote above, supposedly made by Jesus. But does "love the sinner" mean it's ok to kill and still be welcomed to live amoung society? What about the Commandment; "Thou Shall Not Kill?"
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 30, 2014 13:54:02 GMT -5
I want the killer in jail for the rest of his life as I do the Manson killers.
I was lamenting to Panther though that someday NY Parole Board members(younger ones) may forget the impact this crime had on not just John's family but us fans and/or "do-gooders" on said Board will think he has suffered enough or paid his debt to society.
I am just afraid that he will get out early but I suspect he will have to live in hiding forever.
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Post by andyb on Sept 30, 2014 14:51:40 GMT -5
You Shall Not MurderLooks like it a translation of the Greek translation of the Hebrew and it's ok to dead Chappers, if you/we so wish.
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Post by joeyself on Oct 2, 2014 7:48:56 GMT -5
Christianity tells us to "hate the sin but love the sinner." That is indeed hard to do! It confuses me. Christianity also use to do the same thing ISIS is now doing in the Middle East. During the Crusades and into the Renaissance, they used to burn heretics at the stake for being non-believers in Christianity. Christianity has always been full of humanity which is fallible and interprets its beliefs for the good of its own purposes, just like many other religions. I hear you John with your quote above, supposedly made by Jesus. But does "love the sinner" mean it's ok to kill and still be welcomed to live amoung society? What about the Commandment; "Thou Shall Not Kill?" Points of theological order. First, there were atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, but those doing so were most assuredly not Christians. There are no commands in the New Testament to kill the non-believer. Second, the saying "hate the sin but love the sinner" was not a quote by Christ. It does, however, fairly encapsulate the message. Third, "Thou Shall Not Kill" is more appropriately "Thou Shall Not Murder." It is part of the Old Testament law, not binding on us today, because if it were, Chapman would have been stoned outside the gates of the city. Fourth, the crime of murder is listed with about 20 other things in Romans 1:29-32, right along with gossip, greed and other things we might call "lesser" sins. Any of that list puts you at odds with God, but none of them are such that a person can not receive forgiveness for them. However, forgiveness on the part of God is not the equivalent of a "get out of jail free" card. The temporal consequences remain. JcS
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 5, 2014 11:51:36 GMT -5
Hear, hear, Joey - you beat me to it!
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Post by joeyself on Aug 31, 2016 15:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 1, 2016 8:45:03 GMT -5
Good! I hope the killer stays in prison the rest of his life. There is a tee-shirt I am seeing advertised on Facebook with an image of Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty and Charlie has his head hung sadly and the shirt proclaims: "I Still Miss John Lennon." I would buy the shirt but I don't know if it is sanctioned(licensed) with the Charles M. Schulz' Estate.
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