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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 15, 2016 3:21:33 GMT -5
Point made.
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Post by coachbk on Jul 15, 2016 14:08:39 GMT -5
But 1972 is a solo Beatles wasteland. Perhaps their poorest year of the 70's. Well, at least there's "Back Off Boogaloo" and "Hi Hi Hi". And if those two are the "best" from that year (a mediocre generic rocker and a pleasant pop ditty) then it only confirms my point about it being a pretty poor year for the solo Beatles!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 15, 2016 16:01:17 GMT -5
Well, at least there's "Back Off Boogaloo" and "Hi Hi Hi". And if those two are the "best" from that year (a mediocre generic rocker and a pleasant pop ditty) then it only confirms my point about it being a pretty poor year for the solo Beatles! I think SOME TIME IN NEW YORK CITY is an underrated album on the whole ... but I didn't expect to win anyone else over with that. But I love both "Back Off Boogaloo" (which features George's best guitar playing ever) and "Hi Hi Hi" -- great, upbeat rockers!
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Post by Panther on Jul 15, 2016 20:43:09 GMT -5
But 1972 is a solo Beatles wasteland. Perhaps their poorest year of the 70's. 1972 was the first dip, yes. But one reason 1972 seems a bit off is because there were suddenly few releases, and the major one ( Some Time in New York City) was a steaming turd. Everyone was still at peak physical form and had millions of sales, etc., ahead of them in 1972, but it was a slow year. George had written and mostly recorded Material World in '72, and Paul recorded Red Rose Speedway (albeit it's not up to much) in 1972. I still see Beatles magic in 1973. John has a few songs from MIND GAMES (most notably the title track). Paul has "Live And Let Die", a couple songs from RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, and most of BAND ON THE RUN. George has a few songs from LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. Ringo has true Beatles energy (and participation) on the RINGO album, particularly "Photograph". To me, 1973 is the first totally 'post-Beatles' year. It's the first purely 70s' year, in both Beatles and larger pop-culture years. The fact that Ringo came out that year affirms this, as Ringo stopped making albums for himself and started making All-Star team albums of 60s' retro forever after (except in 1975-78 when he just make total turkeys). 1973 is in fact the first year of 60s' retro, underscored by the release of the Red and Blue Beatle-compilation albums. John and Paul's 1973-releases are totally 70s' sounding, and are a thousand miles away from their Beatle-stuff. This is in fact the year when Paul stopped trying to be an artist and decided to focus on pop-hits for 12-year-old girls. You couldn't find a more '70s'-sounding' song than "Mind Games", or that dreadfully uninspired album. The last album of "the sixties" is Living in the Material World. According to Klaus Voorman, it was mostly recorded at George's house, but at least part of it was done at Abbey Road and it was the last 'Beatles' album of the Apple years to be done there. It still has the spirit of the late-60s about it, and much of the vibe. Maybe it's starting to transition into a post-Beatle / 1970s' vibe, but it's still got one foot in the 60s. After that, it's all 70s', all the time.
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Post by markc on Jul 16, 2016 21:41:50 GMT -5
I always thought Living in the Material World was recorded at Apple Studios, and was the last one recorded there.
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Post by Panther on Jul 17, 2016 4:25:41 GMT -5
I always thought Living in the Material World was recorded at Apple Studios, and was the last one recorded there. Sorry, my bad. It says it was recorded at Apple (not Abbey Road) on the sleeve of the album, but Klaus (who plays bass on every track) says "it was done at his house".
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Post by coachbk on Jul 17, 2016 21:02:20 GMT -5
[quote author=" Panther John and Paul's 1973-releases are totally 70s' sounding, and are a thousand miles away from their Beatle-stuff. This is in fact the year when Paul stopped trying to be an artist and decided to focus on pop-hits for 12-year-old girls. You couldn't find a more '70s'-sounding' song than "Mind Games", or that dreadfully uninspired album. [/quote] I'll start with complete disagreement about "Mind Games". I think it is a totally 60's sentiment. It is another of those songs that the first time I heard it I wasn't sure whether it was a new John Lennon song or a Beatles song I had never heard. (I would say it was 1976 or 77 when I had finally heard all the originally released songs). I'll grant you the rest of the album isn't as good as the title song (though I really enjoy Bring On The Lucie). And you've used that comment about Paul and "12 year old girls" before and I say that is a total "BS" comment. "Band On The Run", "Picassos Last Words", "1985"-these are songs for 12 year old girls and not artistic??? I could go on giving examples from every album. Yeah Paul was commercially concious, but he also continued to throw in creative and artistic efforts throughout most of his albums.
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 17, 2016 22:21:02 GMT -5
John and Paul's 1973-releases are totally 70s' sounding, and are a thousand miles away from their Beatle-stuff. This is in fact the year when Paul stopped trying to be an artist and decided to focus on pop-hits for 12-year-old girls. You couldn't find a more '70s'-sounding' song than "Mind Games", or that dreadfully uninspired album. I'll start with complete disagreement about "Mind Games". I think it is a totally 60's sentiment. It is another of those songs that the first time I heard it I wasn't sure whether it was a new John Lennon song or a Beatles song I had never heard. (I would say it was 1976 or 77 when I had finally heard all the originally released songs). I'll grant you the rest of the album isn't as good as the title song (though I really enjoy Bring On The Lucie). And you've used that comment about Paul and "12 year old girls" before and I say that is a total "BS" comment. "Band On The Run", "Picassos Last Words", "1985"-these are songs for 12 year old girls and not artistic??? I could go on giving examples from every album. Yeah Paul was commercially concious, but he also continued to throw in creative and artistic efforts throughout most of his albums. I agree with a lot of what you're saying coach. But when I first heard Mind Games, when it first came out, I had it confused with Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. I kept confusing the two and wasn't sure who did which. Both songs harked back to the psychedelic era, but both had an updated 70s' sound. Mind Games, the album, was good, but the production just always seemed lacking to me. The newer remixes help out a lot but it still sounds week. Great songs. I particularly liked the I know (I Know), You Are Here, Meat City ending. BTW, I yahoo searched Mind Games John Lennon and got an odd result. An album listing with Prisoner of Time, Day of Doom, Hurricane X...etc. And Chasing Rainbows. I think I know that song but it's not on my copy of Mind Games.
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Post by kc on Feb 16, 2017 18:15:22 GMT -5
I thought I might re-visit this thread. What I did was to compile two lists. The first was of a top 20 of my Beatles favourites and the second was a similar list of my solo favourites. Then I tried to work out which songs from the Beatles list I would delete and replace with solo songs in order to come up with a combined list. In the end I deleted I Saw Her Standing There, There’s A Place, In My Life and I Am The Walrus, then replaced them with Instant Karma!, Imagine, Maybe I’m Amazed and What Is Life. So, I am 16 and 4; I really found it hard to dislodge those Beatles’ songs.
Beatles/Solo Top 20 Favourites
Beatles
I Saw Her Standing There There’s A Place She Loves You And I Love Her Help! Yesterday Day Tripper We Can Work It Out In My Life Tomorrow Never Knows Eleanor Rigby Penny Lane Strawberry Fields Forever A Day In The Life I Am The Walrus Hey Jude Revolution While My Guitar Gently Weeps Something Let It Be
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Instant Karma! Working Class Hero Imagine Jealous Guy Mind Games #9 Dream
Maybe I’m Amazed Live And Let Die Band On The Run Junior’s Farm Silly Love Songs Tug Of War
My Sweet Lord What Is Life Isn’t It A Pity Run Of The Mill Blow Away That’s What It Takes
It Don’t Come Easy Photograph
Combined Beatles/Solo
She Loves You And I Love Her Help! Yesterday Day Tripper We Can Work It Out Tomorrow Never Knows Eleanor Rigby Penny Lane Strawberry Fields Forever A Day In The Life Hey Jude Revolution While My Guitar Gently Weeps Something Instant Karma! Maybe I’m Amazed Let It Be What Is Life Imagine
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 17, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -5
Wow, cool lists KC as that would take some intense thought!
I would have a hard time compiling my Top 20 Beatles and Top 20 Solo and then merging them! I listed above my two favorite Solo songs from each member so I'd have start there.
I must think on this!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 4:49:27 GMT -5
"Imagine" grows in cultural significance each year even if like many of us, I don't want Solo John defined by that one song. But what a hell of a one song! Written by Yoko, or so some claim.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 18, 2017 7:33:21 GMT -5
Hey, John gave Yoko verbal credit for a line there or maybe the original concept of imagining stuff! Hee, hee, he did not add her as a songwriter but Yoko never insisted on such, she was proud of her man. John was much less successful in his Yoko inspiration with "Woman Is the Nigger of The World" although there she gets co-writing credits as she had the title phrase already. Remember Fabfour, "Wood becomes a flute when it's loved, so reach for yourself and your battered mate!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 5:10:16 GMT -5
Hey, John gave Yoko verbal credit for a line there or maybe the original concept of imagining stuff! Hee, hee, he did not add her as a songwriter but Yoko never insisted on such, she was proud of her man. John was much less successful in his Yoko inspiration with "Woman Is the Nigger of The World" although there she gets co-writing credits as she had the title phrase already. Remember Fabfour, "Wood becomes a flute when it's loved, so reach for yourself and your battered mate!" I think it's now a battered sav.
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