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Post by debjorgo on Aug 24, 2017 17:37:13 GMT -5
"Holes in the gutter, holes in the slate, holes in the carpet but I won't evacuate. I love this House!"
I thought it was just pop slock when it came out, but I love it now!
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Post by John S. Damm on Aug 24, 2017 21:08:44 GMT -5
Paul sure has some bizarre, and not very flattering, plugs for this Sirius/XM The Beatles Channel recorded recently.
They are kind of self-indulgent and irritating. Kind of like that horrible theme song for Ooboo Jubu Mark mentions above.
I heard some of the re-broadcasts too and I agree with Mark that it is a mixed bag.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 29, 2017 20:53:49 GMT -5
Sean has put out on Facebook a Sirius interview show he did with Theodora Richards, daughter Rock and Roll Legend and Rolling Stones founder Keith Richards. They both play favourite tracks and come off as very knowledgeable on Rock music and music in general. Sean plays Elvis' Unchanged Melody from '77 of all songs. He also talks about David Bowie picking him up from school and taking him to a museum to educate him on the arts. He plays a tune by and talks about Pete Drake, who played with Elvis and many of the bands in the '60s. Pete was at the recording sessions for All Things Must Pass and he had a talk box that he was trying to turn George on to. He ended up giving it to "Do you Feel Like I Do" Peter Frampton, who was also at the sessions. Sean mentions as well that Pete also played on what may be Sean's Favorite Ringo album, Beaucoups of Blues. I don't know if this link will work or not. www.facebook.com/siriusxm/videos/10155744448645929/This is not the radio show. It is a full video show of them talking live, behind the scenes. They announce the track and you don't hear the music, your hear them continue to talk to each other. I'm not going to be able to watch it all. If the link works, or you have it through another avenue, please tell us here, what else is talked about. This is interesting.
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Post by coachbk on Sept 4, 2017 13:04:24 GMT -5
I've heard most (but not all) of the countdown on Sirius XM.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COUNTDOWN PLEASE STOP READING
My Comments: 1. My guess on the top 5 was Hey Jude, A Day In The Life, Let It Be, In My Life, and Yesterday. I got 3 of those right and the other two were top 10.
2. I figured the next five would include Strawberry Fields Forever, Here Comes The Sun, The Abbey Road Medley, Something, and Eleanor Rigby. Rigby was 11 and others were top 10.
3. The surprise top 10 for me was While My Guitar Gently Weeps. I figured that top 20 so not a major shocker.
4. I actually voted in this and my top 5 were Strawberry Fields, A Day In The Life, Eleanor Rigby, Tomorrow Never Knows, and For No One. I also considered In My Life, Hey Jude, Let It Be, Yesterday, I Am The Walrus, and the Abbey Road Medley.
5. For No One is the most underrated of all Beatles songs. I don't remember the exact placement. I'm pretty sure it was top 50, but know it wasn't top 30. Should be at the ver least close to top 10.
6. I was surprised in a pleasant way by the high placements of Blackbird, Hey Bulldog, Dear Prudence, Here There And Everywhere, Tomorrow Never Knows, I've Just Seen A Face, and And Your Bird Can Sing. Glad to know others like those songs as much (and in some cases even more) than I do.
7. Biggest shocker to me? Hearing Don't Let Me Down at #27. That is a song I would never consider even for my top 100, much less top 30. My son did mention how while it isn't much of a song, it is an excellent performance on the rooftop concert. But even at that he thinks he would put it in the 80/90 range.
8. Other songs I heard in the top 100 I would never consider included Oh Darling, Please Mr. Postman, Anna, You Won't See Me, I Want You, and Boys (the #100 song). I don't dislike any of these songs. There are just others I would put ahead of them.
9. Interesting to see 3 George songs in the top 8. But I didn't hear a single other Harrison penned song (I did hear Roll Over Beethoven somewhere in the 90's). Must have been some other George-Taxman at the very least.
10. The hits don't necessarily rate really high. I heard almost all the #1 hits, but only 4 were in top 10 and i think 6 in the top 20.
11. The really early stuff didn't rate as high as stuff from HELP on. I believe the highest ranking 62-64 song was I Saw Her Standing There at #21.
12. Keeping in mind that I didn't hear the entire countdown, I never heard Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds or She Loves You. I'm sure those must be there somewhere. Also wonder if Yellow Submarine or Octopus Garden made it. Didn't hear either.
13. Overall a better countdown than most I've heard in the past.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 12, 2017 1:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 12, 2017 11:52:56 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that, I could never find the list! "Boys" at 100!? That song is among my least favorite, weird song for even Ringo to sing. "Plodding".....oh sorry, "You Won't See Me" at #83, give me a break! And Peter Asher went nuts because "Good Day Sunshine" was only #82! Hey "Name-Dropper Peter," that is because it is twee! At least "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" was not in this Top 100!
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Post by coachbk on Sept 14, 2017 21:53:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the list. I never heard them all. I'm going to comment on each 10 and then give my list of top songs left out.
100. BOYS-I can tolerate this at 100, though I think Yellow Submarine here works better. 99. THANK YOU GIRL-got the wrong early B side: replace this with I'll Get You 98. ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC-plenty of better covers did not make the list (Money and Words Of Love being my tops of those left out). 97. I’M ONLY SLEEPING-I'd put this a good 30-40 places higher 96. SHE’S LEAVING HOME-about the right spot for this 95. I DON’T WANT TO SPOIL THE PARTY-wouldn't quite make my top 100, but OK to be at this spot 94. YOU REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME-quite a few covers that didn't make list are better than this 93. ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN-perfect placement-one of 4 covers I would consider for top 100 92. SHE’S A WOMAN-I'd rather see I'm Down here as a Paul early rocker 91. PLEASE MISTER POSTMAN-quite a few covers that didn't make list are better than this.
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 15, 2017 10:44:10 GMT -5
Chris Carter played one of Yoko's screeching pieces of shit this morning on his program. THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE BEATLES MUSIC CATALOGUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
I turned immediately to another channel on Sirius/XM.
That's it, I'm done listening to the channel when his program is on.
Last month I had to listen to him play How Do You Sleep which pissed me off as well. But I swore if they ever start playing any of Yoko's crap I was done. So scratch Mr. Carter off my list.
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Post by mikev on Sept 15, 2017 11:49:05 GMT -5
Chris Carter played one of Yoko's screeching pieces of shit this morning on his program. THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE BEATLES MUSIC CATALOGUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I turned immediately to another channel on Sirius/XM. That's it, I'm done listening to the channel when his program is on. Last month I had to listen to him play How Do You Sleep which pissed me off as well. But I swore if they ever start playing any of Yoko's crap I was done. So scratch Mr. Carter off my list. Living in the NYC area, you must remember Scott Munie was one of the only DJs who would regularly play Yoko records.
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Post by debjorgo on Sept 15, 2017 17:21:30 GMT -5
I'm not to big on How Do You Sleep? It started the "My Beatle is great. Your Beatle sucks" era, that we still see the effects of. And again, I don't care for the music.
I got the Yoko first albums reissues that came out a little while back. They are just now starting to pop up on my new music playlists.
"Run, Run, Run" is good. "Yang Yang" is good. "I Have a Woman Inside Me" is okay if you like mellow.
By the way, Paul's "Back on My Feet" came up too. Not bad at all.
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Post by coachbk on Sept 15, 2017 19:42:57 GMT -5
I'm not to big on How Do You Sleep? It started the "My Beatle is great. Your Beatle sucks" era, that we still see the effects of. And again, I don't care for the music. YES YES and a resounding YES!!!!!!! Glad to see from this and the previous post that their are others who share my distaste for this regrettable, juvenile piece of crap! On my bucket list is to never listen to "How Do You Sleep" ever again!!!!
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Post by lowbasso on Sept 16, 2017 10:50:22 GMT -5
Chris Carter played one of Yoko's screeching pieces of shit this morning on his program. THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE BEATLES MUSIC CATALOGUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I turned immediately to another channel on Sirius/XM. That's it, I'm done listening to the channel when his program is on. Last month I had to listen to him play How Do You Sleep which pissed me off as well. But I swore if they ever start playing any of Yoko's crap I was done. So scratch Mr. Carter off my list. So wrote Mr. Carter at Sirius/XM of my displeasure at hearing him play HDYS. He says it is a part of Beatle History as there are two Beatles on it, therefore it needed airtime. And it was only one of the 5040 songs he has played on his program since it started in May. He kind of be-rated me for complaining. I said his excuse was a lame one in my book. Then I asked him how would he feel if he found out Paul was listening in on the broadcast that morning a month ago (he is usually at his place in the Hamptons on Long Island in late August), and heard that song on the Beatles Channel? What Beatle fan gets any pleasure out of hearing that song? He asked me if I had a favorite song he could play for me on the show. I said yea, play "Here Today" and tell the audience it was a request from a fan who was pissed off that you played HDYS last month, and that this is the song that we should remember the Paul/John relationship with, not John dissing his partner's songwriting ability, which never should have seen the light of day in public. We don't need to hear that song at all now. The Beatles Channel should be celebrating the band's contributions to music. It is not a channel meant to drag out their darkest moments which were due to their (sometimes drug-fueled) maniacal ego trips that got the better of them at the time of the breakup. As to Yoko; he said it was the end of a Lennon song off of his Sometime in NYC album, so it is justified, even if (as he admitted), it is off John's worst album he ever did. I replied back there is no need to hear it then and have to put up with Yoko's screeching at the end of the song. The Beatles Channel should have a policy; "The Beatles Music Catalogue With NO Yoko Ono Crap..." She was NOT part of The Beatles Musical Legacy.
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 16, 2017 12:35:06 GMT -5
First, I do not enjoy Chris Carter because his voice grates at me. In fact, he kind of creeps me out in a Silence Of The Lambs way! Second, I am resigned to hearing Yoko(and Linda) on The Beatles Channel but that does not mean that I like hearing from those two ladies musically! Third, I think it is cool lowbasso wrote him and Chris Carter responded! Fourth, I love "How Do You Sleep?" even if I do not agree with all sentiments expressed in it but there are parts of it I do agree with. I have yet to hear it on The Beatles Channel but hope to someday! I still have not heard "Mumbo!"
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 28, 2017 22:42:33 GMT -5
Bill Flanagan is the biggest Macca Mad Hatter in the world! What a creep!
Tonight on his show on The Beatles Channel, he played 1971 songs and he played "Too Many People" from Ram and Flanagan arrogantly asks, "Does that sound like a dig at John and Yoko, well John sure did think that and he responded with 'How Do You Sleep?' because John could sure hold a grudge!"
WTF you dumbass Flanagan, that is the only song Paulie has the guts to admit WAS aimed at John(and Yoko) despite the fact that several other songs from Ram can reasonably be interpreted as aimed at Lennon!
It was great hearing "How Do You Sleep" on Sirius/XM, what a great song! I don't agree with all of John's charges in that song but I do most of them and I think Paulie asked for it with his subtle digs at John from Ram.
Bill Flanagan on The Beatles Channel is a tool!
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Post by markc on Sept 29, 2017 8:03:27 GMT -5
Don't forget about the beetle photo on the album cover!
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Post by John S. Damm on Sept 29, 2017 8:49:15 GMT -5
Don't forget about the beetle photo on the album cover! Right!! But last night Flanagan sarcastically asked aloud if "Too Many People" sounded like an attack or dig at John and then he follows up with, "Well John sure thought so and John could hold a grudge!" It was clear by his tone that Flanagan did not believe it was aimed at John and John was being paranoid! I could not believe that because there are interviews of Paul where he admits that certain lines in TMP were specifically aimed at John! John wasn't wrongfully imagining that! And then Flanagan almost apologizes for playing "How Do You Sleep" saying John held grudges! We all know that Paul can hold grudges too! I turned that show right off then and there!
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Post by joeyself on Oct 1, 2017 17:43:54 GMT -5
Beatles XM is in the top row of my programming, along with 70's, Classic Rock and Classic Rewind (plus ESPN and Fox News). I tend to pop between those stations like I used to on the AM radio dial. If there is a Beatles track I don't care to hear that day, I move to the next one.
I probably should move the other two to the second tier--I listen to ESPN primarily for Mike and Mike on the way to work, and Fox is there mainly for Bret Beier's show on the way home. Guess I could move up The Spectrum and The 80's channel, or something like that.
JcS
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 2, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -5
Bill Flanagan is the biggest Macca Mad Hatter in the world! What a creep! Tonight on his show on The Beatles Channel, he played 1971 songs and he played "Too Many People" from Ram and Flanagan arrogantly asks, "Does that sound like a dig at John and Yoko, well John sure did think that and he responded with 'How Do You Sleep?' because John could sure hold a grudge!" WTF you dumbass Flanagan, that is the only song Paulie has the guts to admit WAS aimed at John(and Yoko) despite the fact that several other songs from Ram can reasonably be interpreted as aimed at Lennon! It was great hearing "How Do You Sleep" on Sirius/XM, what a great song! I don't agree with all of John's charges in that song but I do most of them and I think Paulie asked for it with his subtle digs at John from Ram. Bill Flanagan on The Beatles Channel is a tool! I don't see the point of dragging out the petty arguments between John & Paul that occurred almost 50 years ago that grew out of the breakup of the group by playing songs the two of them wrote as criticisms of each other. Yes, it's part of Beatles history but given the reason these two songs were written, maybe its time to just footnote they exist but leave them off playlists and let them pass into history as a dark moment in the evolution of the two songwriting partners. The pettiness and juvenile atmosphere the two songs generated shows how silly and stupid the whole affair of their relationship at that moment in history was. Decades later, The Beatles Channel on Sirius/XM is supposed to celebrate the music of The Beatles. The band is now history. Is there any need to drag up its darkest moments on this channel 50 years later? Why the song HDYS even gets airtime is beyond me. It was a blatant attempt by two former members of the group to do nothing more than insult and basically de-merit the contributions of their partner. What purpose does it serve, even in the context of discussing their history, to play it? Do subsequent generations of Beatlefans even need to hear it? It simply shows how stupid and silly and petty John Lennon could be in the years just after the breakup, and shame on George Harrison for agreeing to participate in the playing and recording of the track as well. And if it was a "retaliation" of John to Paul's song TMP, then shame on Paul as well. The three of them should have been totally embarrassed about the whole affair. I see no reason to drag all this out and give both songs airtime. Chris Carter played HDYS on his program on the channel back in August as well. And in no historical context like the FAB FOURUM program. He just put it on the air as part of his playlist. It was upsetting, I turned off the channel that morning, and wrote in to Carter expressing my distaste in hearing it on the channel. He of course defended playing it along the lines of its "historical" significance. But it has no significance in celebrating the music of The Beatles. He asked me he could play my favorite Beatle song on his next program. I said how about playing "Here Today" and saying this represents more about Paul and John's relationship than HDYS. And this is what new generations of Beatle fans should have in their heads about the Lennon/McCartney relationship, not some stupid petty songs John & Paul wrote and recorded during one of their many egotistical and self-absorbed moments dumping on each other they often went through during a very dark time around the breakup.
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 2, 2017 13:11:41 GMT -5
I agree that the fighting in songs between the former members of the Beatles from about 1970 through 1972 was disgraceful and a low point!
But I get mad when John is singled out by the likes of Flanagan for being the cause or sole contributor to the fighting.
John, Paul and George were all up to their necks in the fighting. LOL, maybe only Ringo had clean hands but not really, "Early 1970" and "Back Off Boogaloo" are commentary on the post-Fab members and not all flattering.
So if you are advocating a censor on bad behavior of all former-Fab members, then I agree! But in historical revisionism don't single John out because he can't even defend himself!
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 2, 2017 14:16:51 GMT -5
I agree that the fighting in songs between the former members of the Beatles from about 1970 through 1972 was disgraceful and a low point! But I get mad when John is singled out by the likes of Flanagan for being the cause or sole contributor to the fighting. John, Paul and George were all up to their necks in the fighting. LOL, maybe only Ringo had clean hands but not really, "Early 1970" and "Back Off Boogaloo" are commentary on the post-Fab members and not all flattering. So if you are advocating a censor on bad behavior of all former-Fab members, then I agree! But in historical revisionism don't single John out because he can't even defend himself! I agree with you JSD. It is just that John's example in HDYS was so blatantly insulting to Paul, that it stands out as the poster child song for all the bickering and insult hurling that went on in that period. And George went right along with him in that track. George could have said I am not playing on that track, but with all the shit he took in the studio from 1966 until 1970 from Paul I guess one can understand his point of view. How a band as great as The Beatles, with a catalogue for the ages, could have gotten to the point of insulting and suing each other is the saddest, darkest moments in their history. Why do we have to be reminded of it 50 years later?
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 2, 2017 14:56:28 GMT -5
I agree that the fighting in songs between the former members of the Beatles from about 1970 through 1972 was disgraceful and a low point! But I get mad when John is singled out by the likes of Flanagan for being the cause or sole contributor to the fighting. John, Paul and George were all up to their necks in the fighting. LOL, maybe only Ringo had clean hands but not really, "Early 1970" and "Back Off Boogaloo" are commentary on the post-Fab members and not all flattering. So if you are advocating a censor on bad behavior of all former-Fab members, then I agree! But in historical revisionism don't single John out because he can't even defend himself! I agree with you JSD. It is just that John's example in HDYS was so blatantly insulting to Paul, that it stands out as the poster child song for all the bickering and insult hurling that went on in that period. And George went right along with him in that track. George could have said I am not playing on that track, but with all the shit he took in the studio from 1966 until 1970 from Paul I guess one can understand his point of view. How a band as great as The Beatles, with a catalogue for the ages, could have gotten to the point of insulting and suing each other is the saddest, darkest moments in their history. Why do we have to be reminded of it 50 years later? If John had not gotten murdered, 1985's Live Aid always seemed like the most probable one-time reunion event. Had they all four truly come together even just once then we could almost laugh about the 1971/72 in-song fighting. Sadly they never all four came together again and that has been impossible since 12/08/1980 with a nail in the coffin with George's death. Thus that fighting really does still hurt us fans and probably the guys themselves. Never go to bed angry at your spouse, never fail to tell a loved one you love them because we never know when it will be too late. I still won't boycott tracks but I agree the Beatles fighting in song and breaking up like they did is among the low points of their fabled story, surpassed only by the murder of John and the cancer death of George.
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Post by mikev on Oct 3, 2017 8:25:01 GMT -5
I agree that the fighting in songs between the former members of the Beatles from about 1970 through 1972 was disgraceful and a low point! But I get mad when John is singled out by the likes of Flanagan for being the cause or sole contributor to the fighting. John, Paul and George were all up to their necks in the fighting. LOL, maybe only Ringo had clean hands but not really, "Early 1970" and "Back Off Boogaloo" are commentary on the post-Fab members and not all flattering. So if you are advocating a censor on bad behavior of all former-Fab members, then I agree! But in historical revisionism don't single John out because he can't even defend himself! I agree with you JSD. It is just that John's example in HDYS was so blatantly insulting to Paul, that it stands out as the poster child song for all the bickering and insult hurling that went on in that period. And George went right along with him in that track. George could have said I am not playing on that track, but with all the shit he took in the studio from 1966 until 1970 from Paul I guess one can understand his point of view. How a band as great as The Beatles, with a catalogue for the ages, could have gotten to the point of insulting and suing each other is the saddest, darkest moments in their history. Why do we have to be reminded of it 50 years later? The fact that George plays on it makes it somewhat historic albeit negative. The entire Fleetwood Mac Rumours album is the band openly bickering with each other and is considered their best late FM era LP. I don't have a problem with the track though I understand your perspective. Interesting to note is that Ringo came in to play on an Imagine session, heard that song...said "c'mon John!" and left. Ringo would never appear on another Lennon track although of course Lennon played on 6 Ringo songs after this event.
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Post by markc on Oct 3, 2017 10:02:53 GMT -5
In Early 1970 Ringo differentiates all three: Paul: I wonder if he'll play with me John: I know he's gonna play with me George: Always in town, playing for you with me
Or words to that effect.
What was the first Beatle sniping in song?
Savoy Truffle: we all know Ob-bla-di-bla-da? I, Me Mine?
Not Guilty: I won't upset the Apple cart, I only want what I can get?
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 3, 2017 22:27:38 GMT -5
I agree with you JSD. It is just that John's example in HDYS was so blatantly insulting to Paul, that it stands out as the poster child song for all the bickering and insult hurling that went on in that period. And George went right along with him in that track. George could have said I am not playing on that track, but with all the shit he took in the studio from 1966 until 1970 from Paul I guess one can understand his point of view. How a band as great as The Beatles, with a catalogue for the ages, could have gotten to the point of insulting and suing each other is the saddest, darkest moments in their history. Why do we have to be reminded of it 50 years later? The fact that George plays on it makes it somewhat historic albeit negative. The entire Fleetwood Mac Rumours album is the band openly bickering with each other and is considered their best late FM era LP. I don't have a problem with the track though I understand your perspective. Interesting to note is that Ringo came in to play on an Imagine session, heard that song...said "c'mon John!" and left. Ringo would never appear on another Lennon track although of course Lennon played on 6 Ringo songs after this event. Kudos to Ringo for standing up to John. About time one of them did so. Ringo just moved up a few notches in my book for that one. The Beatles had always been a class act when they were a band. The insults coming out in public on solo tracks was an embarrassment to their legacy. Playing HDYS today on The Beatles Channel is one thing (which I will never like). But liking the track? As a song? That just totally escapes me all together.
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 4, 2017 22:35:44 GMT -5
[Kudos to Ringo for standing up to John. About time one of them did so. . I've heard this story several times (and usually on this message board). But where is it officially documented that Ringo actually did, in fact, resent this song and stand up to John about it right at the time? Is there any audio of Ringo discussing it? Ask MikeV. He posted it. Tell me... if it turns out to be true that Ringo WAS bashing Paul in "Back Off Boogaloo".... does Ringo go back DOWN a few notches in your book? (LOL!) Nope. Paul was just as big an ass as John was in those days. Yeah, and then Paul attacked John in song first. And with a photo of two beetles fu#%#ng . Yup. He sure did. Not to those of us who like to think of them as real, flesh-and-blood humans with imperfections just like all of us. I think that actually enhances their legacy. And that is your opinion. Not mine. That's fine. But you should elect to read and seriously consider what I wrote, how John and Paul got through it themselves and all of that. Better than to continue to stew about it all these decades later, with arms folded. I don't stew. I just don't want to hear the songs. Not HDYS especially. And I don't! I change the channel if it comes on! There is nothing enjoyable about it in any way! Not then, not now. Ringo got it right off. Bet he won't listen to it either.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 5, 2017 5:47:52 GMT -5
Some Beatles fans are Snowflakes. One of a kind, individual, free thinkers?
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Post by lowbasso on Oct 5, 2017 7:21:02 GMT -5
One of a kind, individual, free thinkers? Hardly. It is not "one of a kind", "risque", "individual" nor "free thinking" to echo the majority in safely opining that "How Do You Sleep" is a nasty track that is wrong, or holds no value;d what is truly individual, different, and free thinking is supporting or defending HDYS. I'll assume I have been insulted by being called a snowflake. Much like what Paul must have felt like when he heard HDYS! I like your snowflake definition dejorgo! BTW; Ask MikeV where he heard Ringo chastised John for HDYS. He was the one who mentioned it! I do recall John later retracted HDYS a bit in a comment. I suppose in hindsight even he realized he had gone too far in insulting his (ex)partner in public. Interesting that there are Beatlefans out there that genuinely like the song.....
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Post by coachbk on Oct 5, 2017 8:49:10 GMT -5
[quote author=" lowbasso" Interesting that there are Beatlefans out there that genuinely like the song..... [/quote] That was one of the things that most surprised me when I first started going on these sites. I assumed most Beatles fans were like me (and every other person I knew except one and she was a total John is great, Paul is bad nut) and hated "How Do You Sleep". It really shocked me to find out there were Beatles fans who liked it. I'll certainly never understand liking that song. Even getting rid of the lyrics, it is still a pretty average dirge in my book.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 5, 2017 16:53:24 GMT -5
One of a kind, individual, free thinkers? Hardly. It is not "one of a kind", "risque", "individual" nor "free thinking" to echo the majority in safely opining that "How Do You Sleep" is a nasty track that is wrong, or holds no value; what is truly individual, different, and free thinking is supporting or defending HDYS. That's what the term "snowflakes", in the political context, means. Too many people use it with no idea of what it means and where the term came from.
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Post by debjorgo on Oct 5, 2017 17:03:57 GMT -5
I'm not terribly anti-HDYS. But it does make people compare the solo careers more than they normally would have. And I think John suffers the most from the comparisons. He just doesn't have the deep well of great songs that Paul does. We know a large reason for it, but none-the-less, that doesn't help.
Too Many People rocks! And had John not pointed it out, no one would known for sure it referred to him in spots. Hell, in '71 before HDYS, I had no idea. After that, I was looking for fight songs everywhere. "Try to see it my way, only time will tell if I'm wrong or I'm right. Why see it your way...." Heck, they never did get along!
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