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Post by sayne on Dec 9, 2017 11:24:27 GMT -5
... If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it. The solos on The End were pretty hard core shred. Wasn't some of the rift between George and Paul during the Threatles sessions over Paul telling George to not play slide; to play something more Beatle-ly? I always thought that George's slide on Free as a Bird was epic. The top of what slide playing should be like. A perfect example of why he is so honored as a slide player. But, having said that. Have you ever heard Johnny Winter play Dylan's Highway 51 Revisited. THAT's RAWK.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 9, 2017 13:03:42 GMT -5
The solos on The End were pretty hard core shred. Wasn't some of the rift between George and Paul during the Threatles sessions over Paul telling George to not play slide; to play something more Beatle-ly? I always thought that George's slide on Free as a Bird was epic. The top of what slide playing should be like. A perfect example of why he is so honored as a slide player. But, having said that. Have you ever heard Johnny Winter play Dylan's Highway 51 Revisited. THAT's RAWK. I hadn't heard Johnny's version. Pretty good. (That's the former guitarist/music director of Saturday Night Live playing with him here, right?) Johnny's slide isn't really the same style as George's. There's a lot of straight blues/rock playing with the slide. I'm not sure George could hang with that. George had a much better voice though!
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Post by kc on Dec 9, 2017 19:23:07 GMT -5
Of course The Beatles White Album is the most anticipated release because of Giles' little slip. (Please don't let him come back and say "No! You read too much into what I said!") I'm not as interested in the Esher demos as I am with alt tracks/mixes. I've had versions of the Esher tapes going back to the Lost Lennon radio shows. I'd be much more interested in Let it Be as a deluxe release. There is just so much more material available from the sessions. I could listen to it as long as it lasts. And of course, the complete rooftop concert needs to be released bad. If I were Apple, I'd push to get it on a major network. The CDs would have to have the Spector disc proper, maybe tweaked a little to everyone's tastes. I'd like the bonus tracks from the Glyn Johns' version and maybe a few tracks from Naked. And then about twenty discs of studio alt tracks. As someone who has not heard all of the Esher demos, is there enough good material for a quality stand alone Esher album?
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 9, 2017 20:51:39 GMT -5
As someone who has not heard all of the Esher demos, is there enough good material for a quality stand alone Esher album? That's a tough call but I'd have to say no. They get a little thin after a while. I think they'd be better as a bonus disc for The White Album, mixed in with more finished versions and alt mixes from the album.
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Post by kc on Dec 10, 2017 1:45:08 GMT -5
My wish list for future Beatles’ audio releases (I know most of it won’t happen):
1) A CD version of the Christmas records box set, or at least a CD compilation album of them.
2) A complete BBC recordings box set. Plus a revised 2CD Live At The BBC set expanded to include the best otherwise not included tracks from the volume 2 album. The Volume 2 set could then be deleted.
3) A corrected US Albums box set featuring all of its included albums, but with the “correct” mixes as on the Capitol Albums sets.
4) A remixed standard catalogue studio albums box set.
5) Deluxe editions of all the standard catalogue studio albums. That is, 2CD sets comprising the 2009 remastered albums plus a CD of bonus audio for each. The bonus audio would include demos, outtakes, alternate versions, live versions, associated singles etc. Super deluxe box sets for all standard catalogue studio albums also. They might include a 2009 stereo remaster disc, a 2009 mono remaster disc, a remix disc, the bonus audio disc from the 2CD sets and whatever associated video on DVD/BR.
6) Revised Anthology albums. Delete the present three 2CD sets and replace them with four 2CD issues featuring expanded and reordered track lists that include the obvious omissions. Include the Threetles’ material at the end of the fourth volume. Otherwise, completely reorganise the Anthology concept by releasing separate sets for alternate versions, outtakes, live material etc.
7) Revised original UK singles and EP box sets utilising the 2009 remasters.
8) I’m not sure about their respective audio qualities, but if acceptable, then live Washington Coliseum, Shea Stadium and whatever other specific concert recordings that might support a dedicated album. 9) A best of live compilation album. It might be a box set.
10) Delete the Red 1962-1966 and Blue 1967-1970 albums and replace them with three sets covering Early 1962-1965, Middle 1965-1967 and Late 1968-1970 periods. Others might disagree, but to me these revised dates more accurately reflect the evolution of the band’s work. Three sets would allow the inclusion of a number of extra outstanding and worthy songs not presently represented on the Red and Blue albums.
11) A 2CD set of the original UK singles (A and B-sides).
12) A 2CD set of global number one songs as part of the 1 series of issues.
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Post by stavros on Dec 10, 2017 18:05:12 GMT -5
Some great ideas above kc. I hope Apple are paying attention to our little thread here.
The old red & blue albums would almost fit on two single CDs. I am liking the 3 CD idea as it means you can represent the early 'power-pop' era, the psychedelic era and then the 'indie' era of the late Beatles.
Revolver is criminally under represented on the 1962 -1970 red and blue sets. The White album would also gain more exposure that way. Perhaps add a few of the Anthology tracks like 'Come and Get It" and then we could add the recent remixes from the 1+ DVD "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" to CD3.
I know there are a few people who don't consider FAAB and RL as true Beatles canon. But as Apple saw fit to add them to 1+ then I don't think they should be excluded.
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 10, 2017 22:18:37 GMT -5
Some great ideas above kc. I hope Apple are paying attention to our little thread here. The old red & blue albums would almost fit on two single CDs. I am liking the 3 CD idea as it means you can represent the early 'power-pop' era, the psychedelic era and then the 'indie' era of the late Beatles. Revolver is criminally under represented on the 1962 -1970 red and blue sets. The White album would also gain more exposure that way. Perhaps add a few of the Anthology tracks like 'Come and Get It" and then we could add the recent remixes from the 1+ DVD "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" to CD3. I know there are a few people who don't consider FAAB and RL as true Beatles canon. But as Apple saw fit to add them to 1+ then I don't think they should be excluded. But you know you'll get a lot of people, on this site included, who'll say "Oh no, here's another release for the casual listener and not for the real fans". I didn't buy Beatles 1 until the release with the remixes and the videos. Do the same with a deluxe version of the Red, White and Blue albums and I'm there. By the way, Free as a Bird came on the radio the other day at work. I've got about three other people at work who like the Beatles. They are all first generation. (We skew a little old.) None of them care much for the solo songs. I always point out the solo songs when they pop up. WNAS, the Indiana High School station we listen to quite often, will play some pretty good deep tracks here and there. Never much response. Gary, one time, said "Oh, they made music after they split?" (Smart ass ) Ron, who bought a Lexis about a year ago, has Sirius in the car. He actually subscribed to the service when the free trial ran out. He listens to the Beatle Channel a lot. I said "Ron! Free as a Bird! The Beatles!" He said "Yeah, I know. And I like it too!" Apparently FAAB registers as the Beatles and falls into that 'everything they did was great' territory. With Ron anyway.
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Post by mikev on Dec 11, 2017 7:56:04 GMT -5
... If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it. The solos on The End were pretty hard core shred. Wasn't some of the rift between George and Paul during the Threatles sessions over Paul telling George to not play slide; to play something more Beatle-ly? We fans imagine in our minds a spontaneous live jam of the four Beatles playing The End live in a grand finale...my guess (confirmed by a quick check of Lewisohn Sessions)is more of a several overdub session most of which, was recorded in late July. Paul was openly critical of George's slide style not fitting on a Beatle song, but was also quoted in saying what beautiful guitar work George did on the song (FAAB).
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Post by mikev on Dec 11, 2017 8:01:06 GMT -5
George could play great rockabilly licks, slide and recreate his leads when called upon. He actually played the Something lead in his 92 London concert and exchanged leads with Clapton on WMGGW at the Prnce's Trust. If anyone has a recording of him even coming close to some sort of shredding-I'd love to hear it. Elvis Costello once said a rock is a hard, dirty, gnarly, cracked thing. Rock music should be, too. Yes, you are correct. George often plays wonderfully understated guitar. He plays like a gentleman. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not rock and roll. Let me put it indelicately. I wish George wudda played like a son-of-bitch sometime. Maybe Dhani will shock us and find some deep cuts of dad shredding, but I will not hold my breath. If he played with shredders, he was content to play accompany guitar (licks/arpeggios, etc.-not necessarily rhythm "strumming").
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Post by debjorgo on Dec 11, 2017 18:24:26 GMT -5
.... Paul was openly critical of George's slide style not fitting on a Beatle song, but was also quoted in saying what beautiful guitar work George did on the song (FAAB). Let's not forget the great slide on For You Blue. And done by John, at that.
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Post by mikev on Dec 12, 2017 10:22:04 GMT -5
.... Paul was openly critical of George's slide style not fitting on a Beatle song, but was also quoted in saying what beautiful guitar work George did on the song (FAAB). Let's not forget the great slide on For You Blue. And done by John, at that. Slide played on the lap guitar has more of a blues/country vibe. George's style bordered on Hawaiian.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 20, 2017 21:45:29 GMT -5
My wish list for future Beatles’ audio releases (I know most of it won’t happen):4) A remixed standard catalogue studio albums box set. 5) Deluxe editions of all the standard catalogue studio albums. That is, 2CD sets comprising the 2009 remastered albums plus a CD of bonus audio for each. The bonus audio would include demos, outtakes, alternate versions, live versions, associated singles etc. Super deluxe box sets for all standard catalogue studio albums also. They might include a 2009 stereo remaster disc, a 2009 mono remaster disc, a remix disc, the bonus audio disc from the 2CD sets and whatever associated video on DVD/BR. 6) Revised Anthology albums. Delete the present three 2CD sets and replace them with four 2CD issues featuring expanded and reordered track lists that include the obvious omissions. Include the Threetles’ material at the end of the fourth volume. Otherwise, completely reorganise the Anthology concept by releasing separate sets for alternate versions, outtakes, live material etc. Those are the three that could get me to part with some of my retirement funds. Your #5 is like what Elvis Costello did with his catalog long ago. I'd suggest the singles that were culled from the sessions from each album be added as bonus tracks at the end of the main album--none of them are long enough that it would create an issue, and it would leave more room on the bonus CD for outtakes/demos. JcS
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Post by kc on Dec 22, 2017 0:21:19 GMT -5
Some great ideas above kc. I hope Apple are paying attention to our little thread here. The old red & blue albums would almost fit on two single CDs. I am liking the 3 CD idea as it means you can represent the early 'power-pop' era, the psychedelic era and then the 'indie' era of the late Beatles. Revolver is criminally under represented on the 1962 -1970 red and blue sets. The White album would also gain more exposure that way. Perhaps add a few of the Anthology tracks like 'Come and Get It" and then we could add the recent remixes from the 1+ DVD "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" to CD3. I know there are a few people who don't consider FAAB and RL as true Beatles canon. But as Apple saw fit to add them to 1+ then I don't think they should be excluded. I was thinking along the lines of something like this for the expansion of the Red and Blue Albums into a three volume set: The Beatles 1962-1965 (The Red Album) Disc 1 1 Love Me Do 2 I Saw Her Standing There 3 Please Please Me 4 There’s A Place 5 Twist And Shout 6 From Me To You 7 She Loves You 8 All My Loving 9 Roll Over Beethoven 10 I Wanna Be Your Man 11 I Want To Hold Your Hand 12 Can’t Buy Me Love 13 Long Tall Sally 14 A Hard Day’s Night Disc 2 1 I Should Have Known Better 2 If I Fell 3 And I Love Her 4 Things We Said Today 5 I’ll Be Back 6 I Feel Fine 7 I’ll Follow The Sun 8 Eight Days A Week 9 Ticket To Ride 10 Help! 11 You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away 12 I Need You 13 I’ve Just Seen A Face 14 Yesterday 64:43 The Beatles 1965-1967 (The Yellow Album) Disc 1 1 We Can Work It Out 2 Day Tripper 3 Drive My Car 4 Norwegian Wood 5 Nowhere Man 6 Michelle 7 Girl 8 In My Life 9 Paperback Writer 10 Rain 11 Taxman 12 Eleanor Rigby 13 Here, There And Everywhere 14 Yellow Submarine Disc 2 1 She Said She Said 2 For No One 3 Tomorrow Never Knows 4 Penny Lane 5 Strawberry Fields Forever 6 Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band 7 With A Little Help From My Friends 8 Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 9 A Day In The Life 10 All You Need Is Love 11 Hello, Goodbye 12 I Am The Walrus 13 Magical Mystery Tour 14 Fool On The Hill 08.12.1967 80:00 The Beatles 1968-1970 Disc 1 1 Lady Madonna 2 Hey Jude 3 Revolution 4 Back In The USSR 5 Dear Prudence 6 Glass Onion 7 Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da 8 While My Guitar Gently Weeps 9 Happiness Is A Warm Gun 10 Blackbird 11 Julia 12 Helter Skelter 13 Hey Bulldog 14 It’s All Too Much Disc 2 1 Get Back 2 Don’t Let Me Down 3 The Ballad Of John And Yoko 4 Old Brown Shoe 5 Come Together 6 Something 7 Octopus’s Garden 8 Here Comes The Sun 9 Golden Slumbers 10 Carry That Weight 11 The End 12 Let It Be 13 Across The Universe 14 The Long And Winding Road 94:10 I understand the point about the Red album being able to fit on one CD, but I like the symmetry of keeping each individual set at the same number of discs as the others. Moreover, it standardizes with the vinyl version. I see the Red and Blue albums as being extended best of sets. The only problem I have with them is that I think the Beatles had plenty more material that qualifies for inclusion at a “best of” level. My solution is to create a third volume. Personally, while I don’t mind them, I don’t think that songs such as Free As A bird, Real Love and Come And Get It are of sufficient quality to justify their inclusion. I don’t have a problem with them only featuring on the Anthology albums. My three volume suggestion doubles the number of George songs as compared to the actual Red and Blue Albums, while even Ringo gets an extra track. I’ve also tweaked things so that John and Paul get about the same number of tracks.
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Post by kc on Dec 22, 2017 16:31:10 GMT -5
Followed by this:
The Solo Beatles : The Green Album 1969-1970
Disc 1
1 Give Peace A Chance 2 Cold Turkey 3 Instant Karma!4 Maybe I’m Amazed 5 My Sweet Lord 6 What Is Life
7 Working Class Hero 8 Love 9 Isn’t It A Pity 10 Run Of The Mill 11 Beware Of Darkness 12 Ballad Of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)
Disc 2
1 Art Of Dying 2 Another Day 3 It Don’t Come Easy 4 Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 5 Too Many People 6 Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
7 Dear Boy 8 The Back Seat Of My Car 9 Imagine 10 Jealous Guy 11 Oh My Love 12 Back Off Boogaloo
93:32
The Solo Beatles : The Black Album 1973-1980
Disc 1
1 My Love 2 Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth) 3 Live And Let Die 4 Be Here Now 5 Photograph 6 Mind Games
7 Band On The Run 8 Jet 9 Whatever Gets You Thru The Night 10 # 9 Dream 11 Junior’s Farm 12 Listen To What The Man Said
Disc 2
1 You 2 Silly Love Songs 3 This Song 4 Crackerbox Palace 5 Mull Of Kintyre 6 Blow Away
7 Coming Up 8 (Just Like) Starting Over 9 Watching The Wheels 10 Woman 11 Nobody Told Me 12 Grow Old With Me
96:72
That’s 17 John, 15 Paul, 13 George and 3 Ringo tracks over these two solo Beatles' sets. I could be accused of getting carried away, but I really would like to see something like this added to the Beatles' catalogue.
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Post by stavros on Dec 22, 2017 18:33:17 GMT -5
Well kc. I doff my cap to you sir. You sure put some effort into pulling all those compilations together. That Triple Set for the Beatles compilation works fine as a conception. I'm sure we all want to nitpick about the odd track choice here or there. But I see where you were going with that idea. I dare say we'd all agree on around 90% of the tracks on those collections to represent the cream of the Beatles output. As for the solo output combined into compilations. I think that's a slightly different debate. A very interesting one that I'll leave until after the Christmas break. And with that I bid you all a Merry Crimble....
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Post by markc on Dec 23, 2017 21:30:30 GMT -5
Apple and Apple jointly did something similar with that four solo track compilations couple of years ago. I thought it was a testing of the waters of sorts.
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Post by debjorgo on Jan 10, 2018 17:54:04 GMT -5
Of course The Beatles White Album is the most anticipated release because of Giles' little slip. (Please don't let him come back and say "No! You read too much into what I said!") I'm not as interested in the Esher demos as I am with alt tracks/mixes. I've had versions of the Esher tapes going back to the Lost Lennon radio shows. I'd be much more interested in Let it Be as a deluxe release. There is just so much more material available from the sessions. I could listen to it as long as it lasts. And of course, the complete rooftop concert needs to be released bad. If I were Apple, I'd push to get it on a major network. The CDs would have to have the Spector disc proper, maybe tweaked a little to everyone's tastes. I'd like the bonus tracks from the Glyn Johns' version and maybe a few tracks from Naked. And then about twenty discs of studio alt tracks. As someone who has not heard all of the Esher demos, is there enough good material for a quality stand alone Esher album? Perhaps Roger answers that question better on his wogblog. wogew.blogspot.com/2018/01/esher-demos-for-2018.html
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Post by kc on Jan 10, 2018 18:30:48 GMT -5
Thanks for that link, debjorgo. I do actually sometimes visit that site, but had not read the article. Either as part of a White Album box set, or as some sort of stand alone release, I want that material on an official set. Preferably this year.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 11, 2018 3:13:08 GMT -5
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