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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 19, 2008 8:56:39 GMT -5
Everyone see the item I had today that said "Oh My My" will be in the setlist?
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 19, 2008 9:44:20 GMT -5
Yes, that Ringo is sure revolutionary to wipe clean and redo his setlist so radically. Seriously, I guess any change is good change for Ringo though. I also read in your News Site about Ringo wanting us to stop what we are doing on July 7, his birthday, and at noon make a peace sign and yell "Peace and love!" I am right behind you guys with this. ;D
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Post by mikev on Jun 19, 2008 11:50:00 GMT -5
It never occurred to me that he has NEVER performed Oh My My.
I wonder why he never did it?
A Dose of Rock-n-Roll could be fun, but it never cracked the top 40.
I think Wrack My Brain did (top 40)in the US.
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Post by theman on Jun 19, 2008 15:16:15 GMT -5
Wow! Ringo is adding "Oh My My" to the set list. I'm booking my flight, hotel and buying the most expensive tickets to the show because this is one I sure don't want to miss
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 19, 2008 15:21:56 GMT -5
Wow! Ringo is adding "Oh My My" to the set list. I'm booking my flight, hotel and buying the most expensive tickets to the show because this is one I sure don't want to miss LOL! We are a cynical crowd.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 19, 2008 15:54:29 GMT -5
You certainly are.
For years fans are complaining that Ringo doesn't do anything different, and then when he adds a new one of his big songs, everyone continues to sh&t on him. What else do you want him to do? He's just the drummer in the Beatles. We're lucky to have him as prominent as he's been the past 20 years.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 19, 2008 19:02:49 GMT -5
You certainly are. What else do you want him to do? A hell of a lot more change than one friggin song which is pretty lame anyway! I can see the "oohs" and "ahs" in Ringoland as people there think that this one song addition is significant. I can see the letters to Steve's News Site from 50-plus year old men writing that tears came to their eyes to finally see "Oh My My" live! This one song addition is insignificant. Ringo needs to make peace with Liverpool.
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Post by theman on Jun 19, 2008 20:44:54 GMT -5
You certainly are. For years fans are complaining that Ringo doesn't do anything different, and then when he adds a new one of his big songs, everyone continues to sh&t on him. What else do you want him to do? He's just the drummer in the Beatles. We're lucky to have him as prominent as he's been the past 20 years. I don't think it's cynical at all. I call what both Ringo and Paul are doing, as far as their recent concerts go, lazy. Adding one or two new songs and trotting out the same old show around it--and in Paul's case, charging pretty exorbitant prices for tickets--strikes me as a bit cynical. As I've said, if fans are satisfied with that approach and want to continue to support it, that's their prerogative. I, on the other hand, am tired of it. I don't think that makes me less of a fan (or cynical). It is simply my perspective on the value of what both these guys are putting out as far as tours go. By the way, it has nothing to do with my opinion of their recent recorded output (over the past ten-fifteen years or so.) Paul, and to some extent, Ringo, have really stepped up with some great material on their CDs in the '90s and '00s. Too bad they are reluctant to highlight a lot of it on their tours.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 20, 2008 5:29:49 GMT -5
You certainly are. What else do you want him to do? A hell of a lot more change than one friggin song which is pretty lame anyway! Please. OH MY MY was a Ringo hit, and one of his "biggies". John, I think you just like stirring the pot. You're never satisfied. I'd like to know what songs you think Ringo should be singing in his lineup which would make you happy? If it's anything comparable to your pipedream for Paul doing songs like "Mumbo" off his "Wild Life" album, dream on! The overwhelming majority of audience members want the same few tired Ringo Beatles/Solo songs to be trotted out again, and that's just the way it is. Only 1% of the audience is there to hear Ringo sing DRUMMING IS MY MADNESS (myself among the few, but I'm not unrealistic). Okay to trash these unidentified "50-plus" fans so long as they're not on the forum as one of your "fellow posters" then, hmmm? Ringo is allowed his opinion on not missing Liverpool, and I still think Liverpool has over-reacted to what he said in that interview. He doesn't need to make peace; the Liverpudlians need to understand and get over it. I have great memories of growing up as a child in Queens, New York... but I have NO DESIRE to go back and live there today, and am happy to have moved on. BTW -- Ringo will be doing LIVERPOOL 8 at the new shows, the song you rave about.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 20, 2008 5:39:25 GMT -5
You certainly are. For years fans are complaining that Ringo doesn't do anything different, and then when he adds a new one of his big songs, everyone continues to sh&t on him. What else do you want him to do? He's just the drummer in the Beatles. We're lucky to have him as prominent as he's been the past 20 years. I don't think it's cynical at all. I call what both Ringo and Paul are doing, as far as their recent concerts go, lazy. Adding one or two new songs and trotting out the same old show around it--and in Paul's case, charging pretty exorbitant prices for tickets--strikes me as a bit cynical. As I've said, if fans are satisfied with that approach and want to continue to support it, that's their prerogative. I, on the other hand, am tired of it. I don't think that makes me less of a fan (or cynical). It is simply my perspective on the value of what both these guys are putting out as far as tours go. By the way, it has nothing to do with my opinion of their recent recorded output (over the past ten-fifteen years or so.) Paul, and to some extent, Ringo, have really stepped up with some great material on their CDs in the '90s and '00s. Too bad they are reluctant to highlight a lot of it on their tours. I think it's a matter of us becoming spoiled rotten by getting to see Paul and Ringo "live" so often in the last 20 years. If this had been 1985 we would have killed to see these same lineups. I'm the first one to agree that I'm tired of Paul's show setlist. I say it all of the time. But he's got a helluva lot more impressive material he can play around with than Ringo does, which goes right back to the original point of my objections. Ringo does not have the ability to go wild with all sorts of different tunes and still make his hardcore audience at his venues pleased. They want YELLOW SUBMARINE, WITh A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS, and IT DON'T COME EASY and PHOTOGRAPH. I would gladly have seen Ringo again this year regardless, but somehow I missed the date when his tickets went on sale, so I'm kind of stuck as I don't want to pay these extra-high prices I've come across. I have been pretty satisfied just being able to drive 15 minutes from my home to the local and intimate music arena to see Ringo Starr in person one night, every other year. There are a lot worse ways for a Beatles fan to spend one night every two years. Some day not very long from now we'll all still wish we still had the opportunity.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 20, 2008 8:33:58 GMT -5
Please. OH MY MY was a Ringo hit, and one of his "biggies". John, I think you just like stirring the pot. You're never satisfied. I have never seen "Oh My My" listed in the same league with "It Don't Come Easy" or "Photograph." It was lightweight fun but its addition to a setlist in 2008 is insignificant. I am never satisfied which puts me in line with 100% of all Beatles' fans! When have any of us been 100% satisfied with anything released in The Beatles' names since 1969? He needs to ditch the "All-Bores" and do a 60 to 75 minute set of just his music, Beatles and solo, with a really era appropriate opening act. Colin Hay opening is one suggestion. Ringo's limited shows with the Roundheads(and also Storytellers) is the perfect example of what Ringo could deliver. It gets no better than Ringo starting "Don't Pass Me By" on the piano as he did when he had more time in a show to do his material. And notice I say 60 minutes to 75 minutes tops. I realize that he is older and not use anyway to carrying a show by himself. That's why a good opening act would be cool. Therein lies the problem and why must we be satisfied with that? Ringo has proven that he can easily carry a 60 to 75 minute show to play his hits and then more obscure gems, and do one hell of a job at it. He don't need, and we don't need, the All-Bores. Lighten up, Joe. There is no person in the world who would shed tears of joy at hearing "Oh My My" like some do for "Yesterday" by Paul or even Ringo's own "Photograph." I was purposely overstating that. Ringo dissed the 'Pool right when he was releasing a song (and album title) about Liverpool. Talk about oblivious to the irony there and even reality. Go back to Monte Carlo now Ringo and your lemon groves! ;D And you would be smart enough, Joe, to never publicly put down the Queens especially if you had just released an album/song titled "Queens" and were trying to sell copies! It is hard for me to play this now because Ringo has let the 'Pool down.
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Post by mrjinks on Jun 20, 2008 9:53:06 GMT -5
...I call what both Ringo and Paul are doing, as far as their recent concerts go, lazy. Adding one or two new songs and trotting out the same old show around it--and in Paul's case, charging pretty exorbitant prices for tickets--strikes me as a bit cynical. Are you a US resident? Just curious, because this debate about Paul "trotting out the same show" really isn't true in regards to his last American tour... In 2005, Paul did a 36 song set every night. Sixteen of those songs (or 44% of the set) had never been played on a previous US tour, and another seven songs (20%) had only ever been played on ONE previous US tour. For those of us diehards who follow each and every live outing, it may seem repetitious, but the reality is the 2005 setlist was far from the "same show". I posted a detailed list of this on another board, in a similar discussion recently. Don't think you have to be a member to view it: www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3521473&postcount=191 Frankly I was a little surprised by this, because I thought it had gotten predictable, but the numbers tell a different story...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 20, 2008 9:58:48 GMT -5
It's on a new album called THE VERY BEST OF RINGO, as well as the ol' BLAST FROM YOUR PAST. It is a part of the great solo RINGO studio album.
Look, this isn't about whether or not OH MY MY is a "great" song or not, or whether you love it. That's beside the point. I'll ask you this way... how many good Ringo songs -- which have been popular or hits, and which he has not yet done on tour -- do you think he has left? His well is not as deep as Macca's, obviously.
This makes very little sense to me because I thought you were griping that Ringo is lazy and does the same old songs all the time, or so you've said. If anything I would have thought you'd be MORE pleased that Ringo tries to add other acts to his All-Starrs. I know that sometimes the main draw of going to see Ringo at all has often depended on "what other new artists his show consists of this time". For many fans, the other All-Starrs are often the main decision breaker as to whether they'll attend or not! So you're bored with OH MY MY and Ringo's whole schtick, yet it's a good idea to have him go out and do the same old 10 or so songs by himself?
And sure, you say DON'T PASS ME BY "gets no better' now --- but when he repeats the routine over and over, you'll be the first to complain, right?
Well, YESTERDAY is a classic Beatles staple. So, in a way, is PHOTOGRAPH for Ringo - his possible best song. Both of these songs are, by nature, emotional and tear-inducing anyway. Why would anyone cry with joy at hearing a "let's boogie" disco number like OH MY MY? I'm sure more people weep for KC's "Please Don't Go" than they would for "Get Down Tonight".
But I'll tell you this -- if it were up to me, I'd be happy never to hear YESTERDAY of PHOTOGRAPH live again and opt for OH MY MY, as it's fresh.
It may have been a foolish move, but I admire his honesty. That's always the main thing with me - honesty a la Lennon, whatever the cost; not pandering like McCartney, in order to have a hit.
And once again, the way Ringo came off in that interview was not that bad at all.
Well, that one "I never let you down" line does ache a bit now. I still think it's an enjoyable "Ringo Song".
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 20, 2008 11:28:21 GMT -5
This makes very little sense to me because I thought you were griping that Ringo is lazy and does the same old songs all the time, or so you've said. If anything I would have thought you'd be MORE pleased that Ringo tries to add other acts to his All-Starrs. I know that sometimes the main draw of going to see Ringo at all has often depended on " what other new artists his show consists of this time". For many fans, the other All-Starrs are often the main decision breaker as to whether they'll attend or not! So you're bored with OH MY MY and Ringo's whole schtick, yet it's a good idea to have him go out and do the same old 10 or so songs by himself? And sure, you say DON'T PASS ME BY "gets no better' now --- but when he repeats the routine over and over, you'll be the first to complain, right? Now I'm confused. I'm advocating more Ringo for the fans, a Ringo show where he can do the hits yet do other, more obscure songs for us. I could hit through the 8 to 10 songs Ringo has always done since 1989 if he would mix up the rest. He doesn't get that chance with the All-Starrs. As mrjinks pointed out, Paul added several new songs to the 2005 tour although he mostly went Beatles where I would rather have had him go solo. Still, Paul is guilty of of keeping some songs way past their expiration date like "Hey Jude", "Let It Be" and Live And Let Die" to name three easy examples, when he does have the catalog to make radical changes to the setlist. I understand that Ringo doesn't have as much material to draw from but he has enough to put on a good 60 minute or so show. I want "Heart On My Sleeve", I want "Minefields", I want "Weight Of The World" back and "Don't Go Where The Road Don't" back too. I am just not going to get excited about one little song,"Oh My My," added to a 7 or 8 song setlist however enjoyable this proto-disco song is. I want more Ringo in concert, less All-Bores!
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 20, 2008 13:42:36 GMT -5
Here's the opening night setlist, just sent to me by Bill King of Beatlefan. It looks like Ringo's made some changes.
OPENING NIGHT SETLIST
It Don't Come Easy What Goes On Memphis In Your Mind Lonely is the night - Billy Free Ride - Edgar - Land Down Under - Colin Dream Weaver - Gary Boys Pick Up the Pieces - Hamish Liverpool 8 Act Naturally Yellow Submarine solo spot Are you Looking At Me - Colin In The Dark - Billy Frankenstein - Edgar Never Without You Choose Love The Stroke - Billy Work To Do - Hamish I Want To Be Your Man Love Alive - Gary Who Can It Be Now - Colin - Photograph Oh My My With Help From Friends Back Off Boogaloo/Give Peace A Chance
COMPLETE ON-THE-SCENE REPORT IN THE NEXT BEATLEFAN/EXTRA!
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Post by melody on Jun 20, 2008 13:55:39 GMT -5
...I call what both Ringo and Paul are doing, as far as their recent concerts go, lazy. Adding one or two new songs and trotting out the same old show around it--and in Paul's case, charging pretty exorbitant prices for tickets--strikes me as a bit cynical. Are you a US resident? Just curious, because this debate about Paul "trotting out the same show" really isn't true in regards to his last American tour... In 2005, Paul did a 36 song set every night. Sixteen of those songs (or 44% of the set) had never been played on a previous US tour, and another seven songs (20%) had only ever been played on ONE previous US tour. For those of us diehards who follow each and every live outing, it may seem repetitious, but the reality is the 2005 setlist was far from the "same show". I posted a detailed list of this on another board, in a similar discussion recently. Don't think you have to be a member to view it: www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3521473&postcount=191 Frankly I was a little surprised by this, because I thought it had gotten predictable, but the numbers tell a different story... Thank you, mrjinks, for going to the trouble to disprove the illusion that Paul does virtually the same show from tour to tour except for a couple of songs. Of the never performed songs, your chart shows that Paul performed 4 songs from Chaos on that tour, and over the past year, 5 MAF songs have been performed live. Seems to me like a sufficient enough representation of his newest works, given he's got a 45 year recording career full of hits to choice from. He may be quilty of playing in too safe in trying to please the majority 1st-timers who want and expect a Beatle heavy setlist, but I wouldn't call what he does, lazy.
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Post by melody on Jun 20, 2008 15:47:50 GMT -5
Well, Joe, Lennon was not ALWAYS honest when he was having one of his temper tantrums, as he himself later admitted. All of us have said things we don't mean when hurt or angry. Rolling Stone even took him to task for his self-indulgent brutality on the sugar-coated- for- more- sales Imagine album. Small children often say whatever comes to mind without regard to how much it may hurt or damage others, but one rightly expects more forethought and restraint from an adult, IMO.
To be fair, there were instances around the break-up where Paul acted like a childish ass too.
Given Ringo's professed lack of affection for Liverpool, which included laughing at the suggestion that there would be anything to miss about the place, I'm not sure I'd categorize Ringo naming his single/album 'Liverpool 8' , or the sentiment expressed in the lyric, as especially honest, or non-pandering for sales.
In what way has Paul pandered for a hit? Do you mean recently or historically? He hasn't had a hit record in decades. He references his Liverpool roots, including the Cavern, in one song off of MAF, but that's hardly on the same scale as what Ringo did. Or, are you suggesting Paul's being dishonest in expressing his affection and gratitude for Liverpool? I don't buy that. Paul's genuinely a sentimental and loyal to his roots kind of guy, imo, and nothing wrong with being polite, as a general rule.
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Jun 20, 2008 20:09:54 GMT -5
A The overwhelming majority of audience members want the same few tired Ringo Beatles/Solo songs to be trotted out again;) I dunno, I dunno. I'm thinking most of the audience now are repeat customers who wouldn't mind some newer stuff, like from the late 70s (ha) Are you going to North Fork? I ended up passing, now that I hear he's doiong Oh My My I'm kinda sorry I did. Could had 16th row (but po'd that was the first available row at the opening of the presale). Ehh, didn't need to see anyone in his band, but Dreamweaver's bound to be great.
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Post by theman on Jun 20, 2008 21:55:19 GMT -5
[quote author=theman board=general thread=30 post=188 time=1213926294 Are you a US resident? Just curious, because this debate about Paul "trotting out the same show" really isn't true in regards to his last American tour... In 2005, Paul did a 36 song set every night. Sixteen of those songs (or 44% of the set) had never been played on a previous US tour, and another seven songs (20%) had only ever been played on ONE previous US tour. For those of us diehards who follow each and every live outing, it may seem repetitious, but the reality is the 2005 setlist was far from the "same show". I posted a detailed list of this on another board, in a similar discussion recently. Don't think you have to be a member to view it: www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3521473&postcount=191 Frankly I was a little surprised by this, because I thought it had gotten predictable, but the numbers tell a different story...[/quote] Mr. Jinks....may I call you Jinks , I am a US resident and, actually, quite liked the 2005 tour. Frankly, my reaction is to the number of one-off shows that have been televised or included on a DVD over the past three years. Other than playing a few songs from "Memory Almost Full" and, of course, "A Day in the Life" and "Mrs. Vanderbilt", it's been just recycling all of the old songs over and over. I'm sick of hearing things like "Let Me Roll It", "Drive My Car", "Blackbird" ( I could go on and on). And recycling the same stage patter as well ( "You know, George was a great Uke player : Hopefully, he will change it up on the next tour.
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Post by theman on Jun 20, 2008 22:26:29 GMT -5
It Don't Come Easy What Goes On Memphis In Your Mind
Lonely is the night - Billy Matchbox
Free Ride - Edgar Have you seen my Baby (Hold On)
Land Down Under - Colin Wrack My Brain
Dream Weaver - Gary Weight of the World Boys
Pick Up the Pieces - Hamish Don't Pass Me By Liverpool 8 Act Naturally Yellow Submarine solo spot
Are you Looking At Me - Colin Stop and Smell the Roses
In The Dark - Billy Only You
Frankenstein - Edgar RU Ready Never Without You Choose Love
The Stroke - Billy A Dose of Rock-n-Roll
Work To Do - Hamish Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go I Want To Be Your Man
Love Alive - Gary Octopus' Garden
Who Can It Be Now - Colin [Goodnight Vienna
Encore Photograph Oh My My With Help From Friends Back Off Boogaloo/Give Peace A Chance Goodnight
There! A much better show. And if Ringo will get too tired performing so many songs in one show, then cut back 3 or 4 of 'em. Still more interesting for me as a lifelong fan of Ringo's than seeing Hamish Stewart perform "Work to Do".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 21, 2008 4:46:16 GMT -5
Now I'm confused. I'm advocating more Ringo for the fans, a Ringo show where he can do the hits yet do other, more obscure songs for us. I could hit through the 8 to 10 songs Ringo has always done since 1989 if he would mix up the rest. He doesn't get that chance with the All-Starrs. But how many audience members do you really think want to hear that more obscure stuff, or even know about it? I'd love Ringo to do a completely solo tour as well, even do songs like BLINDMAN or COOCHY COOCHY. But is this really very realistic? Ringo knew from the very beginning that he always needs a little help from his friends to pull off a tour, and that's why he added the All-Starr angle. I've still heard many Ringo fans say that, for them, the deciding factor as to whether they'd go to the latest Ringo concert or not depends on who's in the All-Starr's. Same here. But realistically, it won't happen. If word ever got around that he was doing MUMBO, ONE MORE KISS, TAKE IT AWAY, LONG-HAIRED LADY and BEAUTIFUL NIGHT instead of ELEANOR RIGBY, LET IT BE, LONG AND WINDING ROAD and LIVE AND LET DIE, you and I would be two of the tiny handfuls sitting in the audience. Agreed again (on a selfish level), but it is not sensible for Paul to eliminate songs like that when 99% of his audience want to hear those songs. And every time he has a tour he is playing to younger people and first-time concert goers who may never have seen him sing HEY JUDE in person before. Still, most people in the audience won't know the extra solo material and will be bored. And then the bitching from diehard fans will come because "Ringo only played for one hour"!
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 21, 2008 5:02:15 GMT -5
Well, Joe, Lennon was not ALWAYS honest when he was having one of his temper tantrums, as he himself later admitted. Absolutely, but you're nitpicking. Generally speaking, John was always the more candid and frank one who was "up front", and Paul was the more private, secretive, and "PR" guy. That's all I meant, so there's really no need for us to say "well, John was not always honest". Because there are always exceptions to every general rule. I still respect that Ringo was honest about Liverpool, similar to John saying he felt the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, for example. I don't recall anything in the song where Ringo says he'd love to go back there. The lyrics convey that he has warm memories there, but had to follow his heart, couldn't stick around, and moved on. And that's precisely what he said in the interview. The only part of the song that comes off badly is when we now hear him say "but I never let you down". He obviously let Liverpudlians down by saying he didn't miss it. I think they ought to grow up and get a clue. I think this is so obvious that I can't believe you're asking me. I'm talking about generally through his entire life -- playing it safe, trying everything in his power not to rub people the wrong way. I've seen him in many interviews over the years being "Mr. Charming" as not to tick anyone off. He doesn't often get too personal or deep about himself, likes to keep things hidden. I didn't say anything with regard to Paul and his roots. And while Paul is almost always "polite as a general rule" when in the spotlight, he was a right bastard a few times when I saw him in person in New York. The reason THAT stands out so shockingly is because he's such a panderer when the cameras are rolling, which only enforces my point.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 21, 2008 5:07:34 GMT -5
A The overwhelming majority of audience members want the same few tired Ringo Beatles/Solo songs to be trotted out again;) I dunno, I dunno. I'm thinking most of the audience now are repeat customers who wouldn't mind some newer stuff, like from the late 70s (ha) Are you going to North Fork? I ended up passing, now that I hear he's doiong Oh My My I'm kinda sorry I did. Could had 16th row (but po'd that was the first available row at the opening of the presale). Ehh, didn't need to see anyone in his band, but Dreamweaver's bound to be great. I would have gone easily, but the date of the ticket sales sneaked by me. When I checked Ebay for tickets they were $200, so forget that!I wasn't thrilled with the lineup either, but as I've said before, I'm a fan and don't mind seeing Ringo live in my neck of the woods one night out of every two years (for under $100), even if it's roughly the same routine. Better than watching TV for one evening.
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Post by theman on Jun 21, 2008 19:00:39 GMT -5
OK, here's what I don't get. Ringo does not exactly pack them in anymore. I don't have any access to exact attendance figures, but he seems to be at a level where he gets between 2,000-4,000 people to his shows (unlike Paul who still draws a very broad range of people). What I'm getting at is that the people who go see Ringo are likely to be hard core fans (i.e., not just people who loved "Yellow Submarine" or "Octopus' Garden", but the few and hearty that may have bought Time Takes Time, Verticle Man, RingoRama, Choose Love and even Liverpool 8.) If that's the case, why not dig deeper into his solo catolog and play some of the better songs from those albums that people might really enjoy hearing like "After All These Years", "King of the Broken Hearts", "I Think Therefore I Rock-N-Roll, "Oh My Lord" and ""RU Ready". Those are just examples...we could easily be talking about other songs like "Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go", "A Dose of Rock-N-Roll", "Hey Baby" or "Goodnight Vienna" too.
I just don't get the strong defense of both Paul and Ringo's lack of confidence in playing most of the material that they have released since the Beatles.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 21, 2008 21:20:10 GMT -5
OK, here's what I don't get. Ringo does not exactly pack them in anymore. I don't have any access to exact attendance figures, but he seems to be at a level where he gets between 2,000-4,000 people to his shows (unlike Paul who still draws a very broad range of people). What I'm getting at is that the people who go see Ringo are likely to be hard core fans (i.e., not just people who loved "Yellow Submarine" or "Octopus' Garden", but the few and hearty that may have bought Time Takes Time, Verticle Man, RingoRama, Choose Love and even Liverpool 8.) If that's the case, why not dig deeper into his solo catolog and play some of the better songs from those albums that people might really enjoy hearing like "After All These Years", "King of the Broken Hearts", "I Think Therefore I Rock-N-Roll, "Oh My Lord" and ""RU Ready". Those are just examples...we could easily be talking about other songs like "Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go", "A Dose of Rock-N-Roll", "Hey Baby" or "Goodnight Vienna" too. I just don't get the strong defense of both Paul and Ringo's lack of confidence in playing most of the material that they have released since the Beatles. First, he's done' "Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go." I believe I saw him do it a couple of years ago. But to answer your question, I don't think a lot of fans would care if he did more obscure songs in his catalog. Now obscure Beatle songs would be a different story. But he wouldn't do covers of them, though he did do "Love Me Do." And he wouldn't do like Paul did and do "Something" or another Beatle's songs. He knows his voice is limited. And he knows his hit catalog isn't that big. He could do some of the better songs in his solo catalog. And it would be great if he dared do the "Abbey Road" medley, even if the Beatles weren't singing it, just to hear the drum solo. I think a lot of people would pay just to see that.
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Post by mrjinks on Jun 23, 2008 9:55:20 GMT -5
And while Paul is almost always "polite as a general rule" when in the spotlight, he was a right bastard a few times when I saw him in person in New York. The reason THAT stands out so shockingly is because he's such a panderer when the cameras are rolling, which only enforces my point. Is this encounter posted elsewhere on the board? I'd be intrigued to read it...
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Post by mrjinks on Jun 23, 2008 10:10:17 GMT -5
...What I'm getting at is that the people who go see Ringo are likely to be hard core fans (i.e., not just people who loved "Yellow Submarine" or "Octopus' Garden", but the few and hearty that may have bought Time Takes Time, Verticle Man, RingoRama, Choose Love and even Liverpool 8.) If that's the case, why not dig deeper into his solo catolog and play some of the better songs from those albums that people might really enjoy hearing ... First off, a response to the (unquoted) bit about Paul's setlists. I agree that Paul's "one-off" gigs have been fairly predictable. But again, I think he's gearing those towards the people in attendance, not those of us who will barter/trade to get copies of the show. The Olympia gig may have been somewhat similar to, say, the Ukraine gig, and the Glastonbury gig, but those were targeted towards French, Ukrainian & UK audiences. Sure if you watch all three, they may seem similar, but I'm somewhat hopeful an upcoming tour may have plenty of surprises to keep us pleased... As to Ringo's set: again, I'd LOVE seeing more of what you suggest, but I think you're overestimating the numbers of people who have purchased his recent studio work. Liverpool 8, despite being released by a big label (Capitol), with high-visibility promotional performances on Late Night & Early Morning network programs, sold a whopping ... 7000 copies it's first week. I'm one of those 7000 purchasers, and Ringo's not coming anywhere within several hundred miles of me this tour, so I won't be in the audience. I'm sure there are plenty others like me out there. I've also heard the reception that he gets when he introduces a song from whatever his current album is when he's on tour: he'll get a SMATTERING of polite applause and joke "Oh, so you're the 37 people who bought it" (or something along those lines). It's not like 1200 people in the crowd have the disc, because frankly there are probably not 1200 people in the STATE that have purchased whatever album he's touring behind... It's kinda sad that it's come to this. Even the artwork for his live albums is just atrocious. Those cheesy K-Tel albums from the 70s don't look much different...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 23, 2008 16:35:16 GMT -5
And while Paul is almost always "polite as a general rule" when in the spotlight, he was a right bastard a few times when I saw him in person in New York. The reason THAT stands out so shockingly is because he's such a panderer when the cameras are rolling, which only enforces my point. Is this encounter posted elsewhere on the board? I'd be intrigued to read it... www.xsorbit4.com/users2/abbeyrd/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&num=1007410623&start=20This is a link to a thread from the old board.
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Post by ChokingSmoker on Jun 23, 2008 19:31:23 GMT -5
And while Paul is almost always "polite as a general rule" when in the spotlight, he was a right bastard a few times when I saw him in person in New York. The reason THAT stands out so shockingly is because he's such a panderer when the cameras are rolling, which only enforces my point. Is this encounter posted elsewhere on the board? I'd be intrigued to read it... No need to even argue. Paul is a right bastard any way you look at it. Full of himself and a downright disdain for John in general. What a "drag" his death was according to him. He may be a musical genius in his own right, but a scallywag in my world. Still need to love him though. Scallywag or not, a definite integral part of the puzzle.
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Post by Riff Raff on Jul 9, 2008 13:55:29 GMT -5
This article was in my newspaper. It is also posted on Ringo's web site. In about the 6th paragraph, the article states that he was the first one to say that he wanted to leave the Beatles. Was this during the Let it Be sessions? --------------------------------------------- From Liverpool, with luv The former Beatles drummer is touring North America this summer to promote a new album that's close to his heart. By Randy Lewis, for the Los Angeles Times Unlike most musicians, Ringo Starr looks forward to that feeling he sometimes gets of being on a treadmill. In fact, that's where he often feels most creative. "My studio in England is next to the gym," Starr said from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls, where his latest tour just got underway. "When it's time to record, I find that getting on the treadmill brings on the endorphins, and the songs just start coming. I wrote a lot of songs on the treadmill. It's certainly a better way than sitting up late at night smoking." Such treadmill tunes populate his latest solo album, "Liverpool 8," which has generated some of the strongest reviews of his studio work since the early '70s. The new album's title song is a sweetly melancholy reflection on his early life in Liverpool, alluding to his pre-Fab Four role as drummer for Rory Storm & the Hurricanes and the years that followed in the musical cyclone that was the Beatles. It's the only song from the new album he's doing on his 30-city summer tour, which hits the Greek Theatre on Aug. 2, with the group of musician friends he dubs the All-Starr Band. This year it includes Billy Squier, Edgar Winter, Men at Work's Colin Hay, Rockpile guitarist Billy Bremner and Average White Band guitarist and singer Hamish Stuart, all of whom have toured with him previously. New to his circle of amplified friends are keyboardist Gary Wright and jazz and rock drummer Greg Bissonette. "Usually it's a completely new band," he said. "This is the first time I've done it this way." Although as a group the Beatles were renowned for their firsts, Starr hasn't always received his due as a trailblazer. But he was the first Beatle to announce his intention to quit the band (his decision was kept quiet for PR reasons), and the first rock star to pay serious attention to music that predated rock, with his 1970 solo album of pop standards, "Sentimental Journey." Along with John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison, Starr took part in the first worldwide satellite television broadcast in 1967, playing "All You Need Is Love," a message that still resonates powerfully with him. Not coincidentally, one of the most moving songs on "Liverpool 8" is the ballad "Love Is," which he wrote, like most of the album's material, with collaborators Mark Hudson, Gary Burr and Steve Dudas. It's deeply personal, decidedly spiritual and unapologetically political without being strident -- in stark contrast to his long-standing public persona as the Beatles' comic relief: Time will always heal What the broken-hearted feel The poets say it's so But I'm not sure it's real I only know the answer is inside me And everyone. . . . Love is here. "The inspiration is love," he says, pronouncing it "luv" as only a Liverpudlian can. "If you look at the titles of my songs, 80% have 'love' in them. . . . It's where I'm at, promoting peace and love. . . . I hope the message is getting across. I always say it feels like my shows are a peace-and-love fest." To that end, he's mounting his answer to Lennon's "Give Peace a Chance" efforts by inviting fans to flash the two-fingered peace sign and say the words "peace and love" at noon today -- his 68th birthday. "Wherever you are in the world -- if you're in the office, on the bus, shopping -- put your peace and love hands up," he said. "I'll be doing it."
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