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Post by sayne on Oct 15, 2008 15:57:29 GMT -5
To me the whole point of an autograph is that it memorializes an actual face-to-face meeting . . . This is not meant as a criticism to anyone who is into autographs because to each his own. But, I never really got the point of autographs. Why does one need an object to help them remember or relive a moment? Can't a person just sit back, close their eyes and remember without looking at an autograph? It reminds me of that "class ring" scam. Who needs a class ring to remember the good ol' days? But, Jostens sure does a great job convinciing people they need a ring to relive high school. Then people say, "Well, it's so I can show people that I met _________. " My answer to that is, do your friends distrust you so much that you would have to show them an autograph to believe you actually met the famous person? Wouldn't it be enough for you to simply say, " I met _____." I understand the thrill of being close enough to someone famous to ask for and get their autograph. But, the autograph in and of itself really isn't the point, in my opinion. Having the autograph doesn't make the meeting any more special. And, let's not even get into obtaining the autograph without ever even meeting the person. That's just screwy to me. "Oh, wow! You have Davy Jones' autograph? Did you meet him? . . . Oh, you didn't. . . . Well, um, that's a nice, uh, autograph . . . I guess."
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 15, 2008 17:18:10 GMT -5
To me the whole point of an autograph is that it memorializes an actual face-to-face meeting . . . This is not meant as a criticism to anyone who is into autographs because to each his own. But, I never really got the point of autographs. Why does one need an object to help them remember or relive a moment? Can't a person just sit back, close their eyes and remember without looking at an autograph? It reminds me of that "class ring" scam. Who needs a class ring to remember the good ol' days? But, Jostens sure does a great job convinciing people they need a ring to relive high school. Then people say, "Well, it's so I can show people that I met _________. " My answer to that is, do your friends distrust you so much that you would have to show them an autograph to believe you actually met the famous person? Wouldn't it be enough for you to simply say, " I met _____." I understand the thrill of being close enough to someone famous to ask for and get their autograph. But, the autograph in and of itself really isn't the point, in my opinion. Having the autograph doesn't make the meeting any more special. And, let's not even get into obtaining the autograph without ever even meeting the person. That's just screwy to me. "Oh, wow! You have Davy Jones' autograph? Did you meet him? . . . Oh, you didn't. . . . Well, um, that's a nice, uh, autograph . . . I guess." Hmmmmmmm....good points! I got John Glenn's autograph (face to face!)...and then threw it out accidentally! But I'll still have the memories.... "They can't take that away from me!" ;D
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Post by mrjinks on Oct 15, 2008 17:33:29 GMT -5
"Oh, wow! You have Davy Jones' autograph? Did you meet him? . . . Oh, you didn't. . . . Well, um, that's a nice, uh, autograph . . . I guess." I agree with you 100% on class rings, fwiw - never bought one! And I wouldn't bother getting a "famous person's" autograph if, say, Tom Cruise (or Davy Jones) walked by me on the street (yawn). But, as a big music fan/collector, it would be very cool to have an album personally signed by McCartney or Dylan or another one of my likes. If that doesn't make sense, I probably can't explain why... I have signed cds by probably 30 different artists in my collection. I like to think they're a little more "unique" or "special" than what one can get from Amazon, because they've been signed by the artist. I stumbled across a signed Julian Lennon disc in the used bin once and picked that up - it's interesting to note a kind of similarity between his sig and his dad's (although my sig sorta resembles my dad's, too). One online retailer often sells cds with signed booklets. If I'm planning on buying the new album from, say, John Hiatt or Richard Thompson, it's worth it to me to buy a signed copy, even though I could get the same disc for $3 less (postage) in my local shop. That probably won't help you understand, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway... And if you ever stumble across an LP signed by the Fab Four and have no use for it, feel free to send me a message. I'll even cover the postage for 'ya.
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 15, 2008 18:14:13 GMT -5
After watching the youtube clip I honestly thought it was Thomas the Tank Engine talking.
Ringo never, Pete Best forever.
Peace \/
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 15, 2008 19:23:31 GMT -5
"Oh, wow! You have Davy Jones' autograph? Did you meet him? . . . Oh, you didn't. . . . Well, um, that's a nice, uh, autograph . . . I guess." I agree with you 100% on class rings, fwiw - never bought one! And I wouldn't bother getting a "famous person's" autograph if, say, Tom Cruise (or Davy Jones) walked by me on the street (yawn). But, as a big music fan/collector, it would be very cool to have an album personally signed by McCartney or Dylan or another one of my likes. If that doesn't make sense, I probably can't explain why... I have signed cds by probably 30 different artists in my collection. I like to think they're a little more "unique" or "special" than what one can get from Amazon, because they've been signed by the artist. I stumbled across a signed Julian Lennon disc in the used bin once and picked that up - it's interesting to note a kind of similarity between his sig and his dad's (although my sig sorta resembles my dad's, too). One online retailer often sells cds with signed booklets. If I'm planning on buying the new album from, say, John Hiatt or Richard Thompson, it's worth it to me to buy a signed copy, even though I could get the same disc for $3 less (postage) in my local shop. That probably won't help you understand, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway... And if you ever stumble across an LP signed by the Fab Four and have no use for it, feel free to send me a message. I'll even cover the postage for 'ya. I have a couple of signed discs. One by the Honeys (including Brian Wilson's ex), the Village People, and one by Brian himself I got in person.
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Post by sayne on Oct 15, 2008 23:18:14 GMT -5
And if you ever stumble across an LP signed by the Fab Four and have no use for it, feel free to send me a message. I'll even cover the postage for 'ya. ;D You'll have first dibs! I actually do have an autograph of Pete Best. It's really more than an autograph. On my poster of the Beatles when Pete was the drummer, he wrote,"Sayne, good luck on your music career." Hmm? Maybe that's why my music career never went anywhere. ;D
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Post by waitrose on Oct 16, 2008 0:44:35 GMT -5
After watching the youtube clip I honestly thought it was Thomas the Tank Engine talking. Ringo never, Pete Best forever. Peace \/ I loved Pete Best's drumming on Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, The White Album and of course Abbey Road... oh
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 16, 2008 4:42:40 GMT -5
Regarding the question of autographs, I've always been a collector and fascinated by them. I'm glad I get that certain "thrill" out of it, and I can't imagine anyone not being able to experience that. But oh well.
Still, when it comes to meetings with celebs, if I had a choice of a photo with the person or a signature, I'd always prefer the photo together.
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Post by Cosmos on Oct 16, 2008 9:55:30 GMT -5
;D You'll have first dibs! I actually do have an autograph of Pete Best. It's really more than an autograph. On my poster of the Beatles when Pete was the drummer, he wrote,"Sayne, good luck on your music career." Hmm? Maybe that's why my music career never went anywhere. ;D Hey sayne, Is that the "Silver Beatles" poster; B&W with a silver background from 1982 ? I have the same one with Pete's signature. It is the only authentic Beatle autograph in my collection.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 16, 2008 12:30:16 GMT -5
Here's a clip of Ringo signing autographs. Comments...?
At one point Ringo says "Ebay, here it comes" while signing. Y'know, I'm the biggest critic going when it comes to Beatles not stopping for signing.. but lately I'm watching more and more clips which gets me thinking it's getting more and more dangerous and impossible to please EVERY fan.
Ringo sounds very guarded here, but how can you not be?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 16, 2008 12:37:32 GMT -5
Here are two clips of Paul signing autographs.
In the second one, how the hell can you expect Paul to get everyone?? This kind of commotion WOULD drive me nuts:
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Post by jimc on Oct 16, 2008 13:12:37 GMT -5
These days I don't much either way about autographs. We did meet Kate from the B52s a few years ago in St. Louis and my got an autograph. I remember the day well without it. The pics are much better.
I have to say, when it comes to autographs the photo of Chapman standing with Lennon signing Double Fantasy does give me pause...
Finally, two years ago I sold a Robert Wadlow (tallest man in the world of his time...in American at least) for $100 plus on eBay. I think my grandmother had met him when he toured as a sort of freak of nature in the early 20th century. Helped pay for my vacation that summer.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 16, 2008 13:36:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure I completely understand what the photo of Chapman getting the autograph means. Yes, it is an eerie photo of a one-in-a-million fan occurrence, to be sure. But John was killed hours after that, just simply walking into the doorway of his home, not signing an autograph. Maybe Lennon should have had pause to have a bodyguard, but then again they say that if someone's out to kill somebody, they will accomplish that.
I have an interview somewhere with Ringo where he mistakenly says" John went to give an autograph, and the bugger shot him". You'd think he'd know more about the actual way his personal friend died than we do, but maybe his confusion is why he's so extra-hard on autograph seekers.
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Post by richforman on Oct 16, 2008 14:15:32 GMT -5
I have Pete Best's autograph too, that's a pretty easy one to get.
richforman
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Post by joeyself on Oct 16, 2008 15:35:52 GMT -5
Here's a clip of Ringo signing autographs. Comments...? At one point Ringo says "Ebay, here it comes" while signing. Y'know, I'm the biggest critic going when it comes to Beatles not stopping for signing.. but lately I'm watching more and more clips which gets me thinking it's getting more and more dangerous and impossible to please EVERY fan. Ringo sounds very guarded here, but how can you not be? I think Ringo is somewhat aware of the collectible business, and jokes about it. Ted Nugent, on the other hand, is ACUTELY aware of it, and in this clip (uncensored, so be forewarned), haggles with those he recognizes as dealers: JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 16, 2008 15:56:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the clip, Joey. Are those guys really dealers? If so, more power to Ted. But at the same time, I still believe that ultimately somebody who's a true fan gets to own the autograph for his own, and who couldn't meet the star himself, so it winds up in good hands.
But overall, just like most things these days, it's "Over". Now it's a bigger busine$$ with autographs than ever before, so even THAT joy of collecting is being taken away by dealers and ruining it for us true fans. Luckily for me, there aren't many "stars" of today I care to meet anymore.
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Post by jimc on Oct 16, 2008 18:09:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure I completely understand what the photo of Chapman getting the autograph means. Yes, it is an eerie photo of a one-in-a-million fan occurrence, to be sure. Sometimes it's fine line, that's all.
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Post by Sir Frankie Crisp on Oct 16, 2008 20:49:10 GMT -5
As far as I can tell Ringo is just getting in touch with his inner Don Rickles. The strange thing is, this whole debacle is starting to look like a Rutles outtake. First he releases a snotty video and then recants. If you're going to be a crusty old bastard don't do it by half measures Richie. Stick to your guns man and bask in your grouchiness. If nothing else, Ringo's had an eventful year. Who can forget his wonderful trip to Liddypool when he offended the entire city with an offhand remark? Off with his topiary head cried the citizens. Peace and love, indeed. And then a few months later Ringo verbally bitch slapped Larry King on national tv and won my eternal admiration. And now he's telling his fans to stop pestering him for autographs because he's got too much to do - like pissing everyone off. Come on folks, this is kind of funny. Ringo has become a cantankerous old fart who recognizes that the calendar is baring its teeth and time is in short supply and sooner or later we’re all going to come to the same realization. I can only hope that I age with a little more grace but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by OldFred on Oct 17, 2008 5:10:22 GMT -5
As far as I can tell Ringo is just getting in touch with his inner Don Rickles. The difference is that off-stage, Don Rickles is one of the nicest persons around. I've sadly heard many stories of Ringo being grumpy when not on stage.
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Post by mrjinks on Oct 17, 2008 8:32:36 GMT -5
Has anybody noticed that Ringo's removed the offending video from his site completely? Can we say "oops" I just have to wonder who was filming it (Barbara?) and whether they didn't say, "are you SURE you want to put this on the site, Ritchie?"
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Oct 17, 2008 9:04:39 GMT -5
Has anybody noticed that Ringo's removed the offending video from his site completely? Can we say "oops" I just have to wonder who was filming it (Barbara?) and whether they didn't say, "are you SURE you want to put this on the site, Ritchie?" Someone else films the videos, from what we know.
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Post by waitrose on Oct 17, 2008 9:55:03 GMT -5
Has anybody noticed that Ringo's removed the offending video from his site completely? Can we say "oops" I just have to wonder who was filming it (Barbara?) and whether they didn't say, "are you SURE you want to put this on the site, Ritchie?" Oops indeed! Maybe we will not be getting any more videos from Ringo (maybe he should write a blog instead). On a plus side, his website must have had many more hits than usual these last few days BTW, I actually think he does record the videos himself (using some sort of remote control device). Man I am technical.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Oct 17, 2008 10:12:40 GMT -5
It's too late for The Nose to backtrack on this. The videos are all over YouTube by the dozens. Everyone's seen at least a clip of his comments on the news or heard it on radio.
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Post by mrjinks on Oct 18, 2008 21:12:08 GMT -5
So did anybody try to send anything to him before the Oct. 20th deadline? Anyone besides me, that is?
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Post by joeyself on Oct 19, 2008 12:48:41 GMT -5
So did anybody try to send anything to him before the Oct. 20th deadline? Anyone besides me, that is? I didn't have an address, and if I did, I wouldn't have wanted to be a bother. After all, it seems like he was burdened by the requests. JcS
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 19, 2008 14:10:00 GMT -5
So did anybody try to send anything to him before the Oct. 20th deadline? Anyone besides me, that is? I didn't have an address, and if I did, I wouldn't have wanted to be a bother. After all, it seems like he was burdened by the requests. JcS I didn't have an address either. And the deadline is tomorrow. Ah, well, I'll live....
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 19, 2008 18:13:33 GMT -5
I sent him my Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case.
I sent him a note to say if he could sleep on it for one night and then send it back to me.
I will never wash that Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case ever again.
thanks Ringo
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 19, 2008 18:39:25 GMT -5
I sent him my Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case. I sent him a note to say if he could sleep on it for one night and then send it back to me. I will never wash that Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case ever again. thanks Ringo LOL!
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Post by John S. Damm on Oct 19, 2008 23:08:12 GMT -5
I sent him my Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case. I sent him a note to say if he could sleep on it for one night and then send it back to me. I will never wash that Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case ever again. thanks Ringo I did the same with my boxer shorts: "Please wear these for a few days straight, Ringo, then sign them and send them back, thanks"
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Post by ursamajor on Oct 20, 2008 1:22:44 GMT -5
I sent him my Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case. I sent him a note to say if he could sleep on it for one night and then send it back to me. I will never wash that Thomas the Tank Engine pillow case ever again. thanks Ringo I did the same with my boxer shorts: "Please wear these for a few days straight, Ringo, then sign them and send them back, thanks" Just hope there's no skid marks when you get them back. ;D
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