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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 27, 2009 20:59:40 GMT -5
Hey! I resemble that remark! Two words.....Sienna Miller. ;D Oh my goodness, winston. JCV Sorry if I came on strong, but I've been listening to Pittsburghers (or whatever they call themselves) putting Philadelphia down for years, so calling it "Philthydelphia" touches a nerve for me. My apologies if I offended you, madam.
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Post by JCV on Oct 28, 2009 13:46:43 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, winston. JCV Sorry if I came on strong, but I've been listening to Pittsburghers (or whatever they call themselves) putting Philadelphia down for years, so calling it "Philthydelphia" touches a nerve for me. My apologies if I offended you, madam. I was "Oh my goodnessing" Sienna Miller...What a -- oh, nevermind. I'll not write it. Don't you worry none there, Winston. No offense taken at all. JCV
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Post by JMG on Oct 28, 2009 17:27:29 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, winston. JCV Sorry if I came on strong, but I've been listening to Pittsburghers (or whatever they call themselves) putting Philadelphia down for years, so calling it "Philthydelphia" touches a nerve for me. My apologies if I offended you, madam. I think it all started when Philadelphia Eagle fans threw snowballs and booed Santa Clause several years ago at Philly. Ever since then Philly fans have gotten a bad rap, sometimes deserved, sometimes not. At least you people aren't Oakland Raider fans.
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Post by winstonoboogie on Oct 28, 2009 20:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by Beatle Bob on Nov 5, 2009 9:42:49 GMT -5
In my best John Sterling impersonation ...."THHHHHHHHEEEE YANKEEEEEEEEEEEEES WINNNNNN!"27 World Championships to date. Great job! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2009 13:18:33 GMT -5
In my best John Sterling impersonation ...."THHHHHHHHEEEE YANKEEEEEEEEEEEEES WINNNNNN!"27 World Championships to date. Great job! Regards, Beatle Bob Have fun today even if your team bought all of those championships by spending more money then every other team. It all started when you Yanks bought Babe Ruth from the Red Sox!
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2009 13:20:01 GMT -5
Winston, I thought that you lived in Florida, not "Philthydelphia?" ;D
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Post by Beatle Bob on Nov 5, 2009 13:31:42 GMT -5
In my best John Sterling impersonation ...."THHHHHHHHEEEE YANKEEEEEEEEEEEEES WINNNNNN!"27 World Championships to date. Great job! Regards, Beatle Bob Have fun today even if your team bought all of those championships by spending more money then every other team. It all started when you Yanks bought Babe Ruth from the Red Sox! Every other team has the same opportunity to spend. It depends if the owners really want to invest in a team's future. The Yankees certainly do Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2009 14:27:24 GMT -5
Have fun today even if your team bought all of those championships by spending more money then every other team. It all started when you Yanks bought Babe Ruth from the Red Sox! Every other team has the same opportunity to spend. It depends if the owners really want to invest in a team's future. The Yankees certainly do Regards, Beatle Bob Here's a balanced piece from msnbc.com on the topic: "Did the Yankees buy their title? Thu Nov 05,2009 10:25 AM ET By Craig Calcaterra Here are the first two I've seen of what I am sure will be many sour grapes reactions to the Yankees' title today:
Kevin Cowherd of the Baltimore Sun:
I hate the Yankees. I feel like crying whenever they win. Still, it was inevitable that the season finish this way. The Yankees were the best team in baseball -- the best team money could buy AGAIN.
Scott Miller of CBS Sports.com:
The World Series takes personal checks. Credit and debit cards, too. Score one for the Yankees, and their bankers. Hideki Matsui as World Series MVP? Maybe. The three home runs were clutch, and the World Series record-tying six RBI in Game 6 were smashing. But the chief bean counter who sat behind the desk last winter and approved the expenditure of nearly $425 million to hoist CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira and A.J. Burnett aboard the U.S.S. Yankee? Now there's a true Yankee.
Personally I find this line of reasoning to be tired and lazy. Everyone has their own ideas of what ails baseball from a business perspective, and certainly the Yankees are playing a different game than everyone else these days. But counting the Yankees' titles and chalking them up to dollars alone is nonsense.
The Yankees payroll is obviously gigantic, but it did not come out of general lockstep with all of the other teams until around 2002. Before then they didn't always lead the league -- they were behind the Orioles in 1998, for example, -- and when they did lead the league, only a couple of million bucks separated them from a pack of the next highest payrolls. In fact, 2002 was the first time they were as much as $10 million higher than anyone else. Before then: four titles in the Jeter era.
The Bombers' payroll exploded in 2002 and continued to escalate through 2008. They somehow managed to buy no titles during that time. Much is made about signing Sabathia and Teixeira this year, but their 2009 payroll is actually lower than 2008's.
I'm not going to drink the Yankee-fan Kool-Aid and say that there's some level playing field out there. But if the past fifteen years have shown anything, it's that even if you can buy general competitiveness, you can't simply buy a World Title. To get that, you have to be smart, you have to execute and you have to be a bit lucky too.
The Yankees were all of those things this year, and to leave any part of that out is to fail to tell the whole story."It is a little of both sides. A team like Kansas City will never be able to keep up with the Yankees' spending. Benefits of "The Big Apple."
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Post by Beatle Bob on Nov 5, 2009 14:42:41 GMT -5
Every other team has the same opportunity to spend. It depends if the owners really want to invest in a team's future. The Yankees certainly do Regards, Beatle Bob Here's a balanced piece from msnbc.com on the topic: "Did the Yankees buy their title? Thu Nov 05,2009 10:25 AM ET By Craig Calcaterra Here are the first two I've seen of what I am sure will be many sour grapes reactions to the Yankees' title today:
Kevin Cowherd of the Baltimore Sun:
I hate the Yankees. I feel like crying whenever they win. Still, it was inevitable that the season finish this way. The Yankees were the best team in baseball -- the best team money could buy AGAIN.
Scott Miller of CBS Sports.com:
The World Series takes personal checks. Credit and debit cards, too. Score one for the Yankees, and their bankers. Hideki Matsui as World Series MVP? Maybe. The three home runs were clutch, and the World Series record-tying six RBI in Game 6 were smashing. But the chief bean counter who sat behind the desk last winter and approved the expenditure of nearly $425 million to hoist CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira and A.J. Burnett aboard the U.S.S. Yankee? Now there's a true Yankee.
Personally I find this line of reasoning to be tired and lazy. Everyone has their own ideas of what ails baseball from a business perspective, and certainly the Yankees are playing a different game than everyone else these days. But counting the Yankees' titles and chalking them up to dollars alone is nonsense.
The Yankees payroll is obviously gigantic, but it did not come out of general lockstep with all of the other teams until around 2002. Before then they didn't always lead the league -- they were behind the Orioles in 1998, for example, -- and when they did lead the league, only a couple of million bucks separated them from a pack of the next highest payrolls. In fact, 2002 was the first time they were as much as $10 million higher than anyone else. Before then: four titles in the Jeter era.
The Bombers' payroll exploded in 2002 and continued to escalate through 2008. They somehow managed to buy no titles during that time. Much is made about signing Sabathia and Teixeira this year, but their 2009 payroll is actually lower than 2008's.
I'm not going to drink the Yankee-fan Kool-Aid and say that there's some level playing field out there. But if the past fifteen years have shown anything, it's that even if you can buy general competitiveness, you can't simply buy a World Title. To get that, you have to be smart, you have to execute and you have to be a bit lucky too.
The Yankees were all of those things this year, and to leave any part of that out is to fail to tell the whole story."It is a little of both sides. A team like Kansas City will never be able to keep up with the Yankees' spending. Benefits of "The Big Apple." This is my take on it all..... Money doesn't guarantee anything. Look at their payroll last few years and why haven't the Yankees won a World Series since 2000? Quoting from above, "But if the past fifteen years have shown anything, it's that even if you can buy general competitiveness, you can't simply buy a World Title. To get that, you have to be smart, you have to execute and you have to be a bit lucky too." In the end it's talent. Something the Yankees possess many times over this year along with a great chemsitry between the players and incredible support from the front office. Btw, the Yankees aren't the only team spending big bucks, but of course when the Yankees do, it stands out. But imo if you're gonna own a team, INVEST in it or sell it off and get out of baseball. The Steinbrenner family should be lauded for reinvesting in the team and the brand! For instance, if you owned a hotel wouldn't you constantly upgrade the facilities and personel to bring in the best, brightest? Wouldn't you want the hotel to be the talk of the town, that becomes the point of your destination when someone visits your city expecting to attract crowds that fills you rooms? Would you let it get rundown resulting in no return customers? Owning a team is a business. If you can't reinvest and upgrade your team, then these owners should bow out and sell it off to someone else that has pride and a winning attitude. Can you blame Steinbrenner for wanting to win? It makes money! It's good for him, the fans, the surrounding businesses in the Bronx, ancilliary things such as memorabilia and a draw for other up and coming players, TV ratings, etc. Free agents aren't forced to sign with the Yankees just 'cause they see big $ in their face. They come to the Yankees of their own free-will, and it's fact spewed by every new Yankee that gets signed that they are welcomed with open arms to the team and made to feel like it's family from day #1 (knowing coming to the Yankees there's always a chance to realize your dream as a kid to make it to the World Series!) Do you ever hear other players talk so highly of management and their teammates like THAT? Geez, everyone thinks it's still the Yankees of the tumultous 70's aka "The Bronx Zoo". (Boy, THOSE were the days! *LOL*). Nobody forced players to sign. Free agents with freedom of choice. Tex could have gone to the Boosox. But he made the smart chocie not too, as did Sabathia and Burnett. And who wants to sign for big money with teams that don't give you a good chance to realize your dream of going to the World Series (since you were a kid in little league)? You want to play for winners. If I had the chance to sign for big bucks with the Mets and not have any hope of making the playoffs or take small change to play for the Yankees and have that chance of going to the post-season, then I know where I'd be playing! For the Yankees! The Yankees offer the chance to make your childhood dream come true. God bless the NY Yankees Regards, Beatle (tired from typing) Bob
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Post by sayne on Nov 5, 2009 16:31:27 GMT -5
. . . At least you people aren't Oakland Raider fans. Way back when the Raiders were first in Oakland, we in San Diego wore T-shirts that said, "Oakland Sucks!." Then, when the Raiders moved to Los Angeles, we wore shirts that said, "Oakland Still Sucks!" ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2009 16:56:32 GMT -5
Here's a balanced piece from msnbc.com on the topic: "Did the Yankees buy their title? Thu Nov 05,2009 10:25 AM ET By Craig Calcaterra Here are the first two I've seen of what I am sure will be many sour grapes reactions to the Yankees' title today:
Kevin Cowherd of the Baltimore Sun:
I hate the Yankees. I feel like crying whenever they win. Still, it was inevitable that the season finish this way. The Yankees were the best team in baseball -- the best team money could buy AGAIN.
Scott Miller of CBS Sports.com:
The World Series takes personal checks. Credit and debit cards, too. Score one for the Yankees, and their bankers. Hideki Matsui as World Series MVP? Maybe. The three home runs were clutch, and the World Series record-tying six RBI in Game 6 were smashing. But the chief bean counter who sat behind the desk last winter and approved the expenditure of nearly $425 million to hoist CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira and A.J. Burnett aboard the U.S.S. Yankee? Now there's a true Yankee.
Personally I find this line of reasoning to be tired and lazy. Everyone has their own ideas of what ails baseball from a business perspective, and certainly the Yankees are playing a different game than everyone else these days. But counting the Yankees' titles and chalking them up to dollars alone is nonsense.
The Yankees payroll is obviously gigantic, but it did not come out of general lockstep with all of the other teams until around 2002. Before then they didn't always lead the league -- they were behind the Orioles in 1998, for example, -- and when they did lead the league, only a couple of million bucks separated them from a pack of the next highest payrolls. In fact, 2002 was the first time they were as much as $10 million higher than anyone else. Before then: four titles in the Jeter era.
The Bombers' payroll exploded in 2002 and continued to escalate through 2008. They somehow managed to buy no titles during that time. Much is made about signing Sabathia and Teixeira this year, but their 2009 payroll is actually lower than 2008's.
I'm not going to drink the Yankee-fan Kool-Aid and say that there's some level playing field out there. But if the past fifteen years have shown anything, it's that even if you can buy general competitiveness, you can't simply buy a World Title. To get that, you have to be smart, you have to execute and you have to be a bit lucky too.
The Yankees were all of those things this year, and to leave any part of that out is to fail to tell the whole story."It is a little of both sides. A team like Kansas City will never be able to keep up with the Yankees' spending. Benefits of "The Big Apple." This is my take on it all..... Money doesn't guarantee anything. Look at their payroll last few years and why haven't the Yankees won a World Series since 2000? Quoting from above, "But if the past fifteen years have shown anything, it's that even if you can buy general competitiveness, you can't simply buy a World Title. To get that, you have to be smart, you have to execute and you have to be a bit lucky too." In the end it's talent. Something the Yankees possess many times over this year along with a great chemsitry between the players and incredible support from the front office. Btw, the Yankees aren't the only team spending big bucks, but of course when the Yankees do, it stands out. But imo if you're gonna own a team, INVEST in it or sell it off and get out of baseball. The Steinbrenner family should be lauded for reinvesting in the team and the brand! For instance, if you owned a hotel wouldn't you constantly upgrade the facilities and personel to bring in the best, brightest? Wouldn't you want the hotel to be the talk of the town, that becomes the point of your destination when someone visits your city expecting to attract crowds that fills you rooms? Would you let it get rundown resulting in no return customers? Owning a team is a business. If you can't reinvest and upgrade your team, then these owners should bow out and sell it off to someone else that has pride and a winning attitude. Can you blame Steinbrenner for wanting to win? It makes money! It's good for him, the fans, the surrounding businesses in the Bronx, ancilliary things such as memorabilia and a draw for other up and coming players, TV ratings, etc. Free agents aren't forced to sign with the Yankees just 'cause they see big $ in their face. They come to the Yankees of their own free-will, and it's fact spewed by every new Yankee that gets signed that they are welcomed with open arms to the team and made to feel like it's family from day #1 (knowing coming to the Yankees there's always a chance to realize your dream as a kid to make it to the World Series!) Do you ever hear other players talk so highly of management and their teammates like THAT? Geez, everyone thinks it's still the Yankees of the tumultous 70's aka "The Bronx Zoo". (Boy, THOSE were the days! *LOL*). Nobody forced players to sign. Free agents with freedom of choice. Tex could have gone to the Boosox. But he made the smart chocie not too, as did Sabathia and Burnett. And who wants to sign for big money with teams that don't give you a good chance to realize your dream of going to the World Series (since you were a kid in little league)? You want to play for winners. If I had the chance to sign for big bucks with the Mets and not have any hope of making the playoffs or take small change to play for the Yankees and have that chance of going to the post-season, then I know where I'd be playing! For the Yankees! The Yankees offer the chance to make your childhood dream come true. God bless the NY Yankees Regards, Beatle (tired from typing) Bob Hey, I'll let you enjoy the moment. You must be excited and far be it from me(a lifelong Cubs' fan, sigh) to spoil a golden moment. But remember, GO COLTS!
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 5, 2009 21:09:12 GMT -5
Winston, I thought that you lived in Florida, not "Philthydelphia?" ;D Yes, but I was born and raised near Philly, and much of my family still lives there. No joy in Mudville.... But there's always next year! ;D
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 5, 2009 21:56:32 GMT -5
Winston, I thought that you lived in Florida, not "Philthydelphia?" ;D Yes, but I was born and raised near Philly, and much of my family still lives there. No joy in Mudville.... But there's always next year! ;D But you seem like a nice guy and I hear people from Philly are the most obnoxious people on earth. I saw Rocky a dozen times and that seems true. Are you like Paulie?
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Post by JMG on Nov 6, 2009 8:00:42 GMT -5
. . . At least you people aren't Oakland Raider fans. Way back when the Raiders were first in Oakland, we in San Diego wore T-shirts that said, "Oakland Sucks!." Then, when the Raiders moved to Los Angeles, we wore shirts that said, "Oakland Still Sucks!" ;D I've never been to a Raiders game in Oakland, I've never wanted to be at a Raiders game in Oakland. The view from my television set tells me Oakland Raider fans are certifiably insane. ;D
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Post by Beatle Bob on Nov 6, 2009 8:45:06 GMT -5
BIG parade downtown today for the Yankees, through the "Canyon of Heroes" at 11 am. If I called in sick today, I know my boss would know where I am *LOL* Drats! Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by winstonoboogie on Nov 8, 2009 18:10:45 GMT -5
Yes, but I was born and raised near Philly, and much of my family still lives there. No joy in Mudville.... But there's always next year! ;D But you seem like a nice guy and I hear people from Philly are the most obnoxious people on earth. I saw Rocky a dozen times and that seems true. Are you like Paulie? Errrrrrr....no. I don't think so, at least.
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Post by JCV on Nov 9, 2009 12:40:42 GMT -5
BIG parade downtown today for the Yankees, through the "Canyon of Heroes" at 11 am. If I called in sick today, I know my boss would know where I am *LOL* Drats! Regards, Beatle Bob Everybody loves a parade! Congratulations, Beatle Bob! I was really torn as to who to root for. Perhaps the Yankees can give my poor Bucs some pointers on how to buy and invest in good players instead of wasting our money. JCV
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Post by Beatle Bob on Nov 9, 2009 14:02:06 GMT -5
BIG parade downtown today for the Yankees, through the "Canyon of Heroes" at 11 am. If I called in sick today, I know my boss would know where I am *LOL* Drats! Regards, Beatle Bob Everybody loves a parade! Congratulations, Beatle Bob! I was really torn as to who to root for. Perhaps the Yankees can give my poor Bucs some pointers on how to buy and invest in good players instead of wasting our money. JCV Spend! Spend! Spend! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob
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Post by John S. Damm on Nov 9, 2009 16:30:35 GMT -5
Everybody loves a parade! Congratulations, Beatle Bob! I was really torn as to who to root for. Perhaps the Yankees can give my poor Bucs some pointers on how to buy and invest in good players instead of wasting our money. JCV Spend! Spend! Spend! ;D Regards, Beatle Bob "Spend Spend Spend." Say, that could be Paul McCartney's first #1 single since 1983's "Say Say Say" and would relate to what we fans are going through with the remasters, Rock Band and now "Good Evening New York!" Who could he duet with on "Spend Spend Spend?" Does Kate Goselett sing? Mariah? Brittney? Madonna might be perfect: she'd show Paul how not to be boring! ;D
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