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Post by winstonoboogie on Jan 15, 2010 20:14:24 GMT -5
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but in America wasn't it sometimes a matter of which songs Capitol got hold of at the time? That they had to sometimes work with what they had to choose from? Again, opinions will vary about the sound quality of the U.S. albums ... but I'd have to say that record promoters knew what they were doing when it came to sequencing and putting the hit singles on the LPs. They knew how to sell records, to make an appealing package. And once again, getting past the conservative viewpoint of "not issuing the sequenced tracks as The Beatles themselves intended!!!", these Capitol albums as sequenced are just good LPs.What they did do was edit them down and make them shorter. Made it a bit easier to not lose your concentration. I'm not sure I'd compliment them for that, but you could, I suppose. Wasn't it also a royalties issue, as well? I remember seeing that in Bruce Spizer's book.
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Post by OldFred on Jan 15, 2010 20:18:07 GMT -5
What they did do was edit them down and make them shorter. Made it a bit easier to not lose your concentration. I'm not sure I'd compliment them for that, but you could, I suppose. Wasn't it also a royalties issue, as well? I remember seeing that in Bruce Spizer's book. Spizer's books are definitely the best source for information on the Capitol recordings.
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 15, 2010 20:24:58 GMT -5
And once again, getting past the conservative viewpoint of "not issuing the sequenced tracks as The Beatles themselves intended!!!", these Capitol albums as sequenced are just good LPs.I fail to see the viewpoint "issuing the sequenced tracks as The Beatles themselves intended" as conservative. Who am I, or you, or anybody to determine a "better sequence" for the albums over the band itself? Of course, we all have opinions on which order we prefer to hear the songs, and with today's technology we can fashion that order for our personal MP3's or CD's. I do that myself. But I still have a great deal of respect for the original sequencing on the UK albums, because as John said; (I paraphrase) "the band put a lot of time and energy into deciding that order." To call their choices "conservative" seems a bit presumptive. I would never claim that my preference of sequencing is better than the bands was. I sometimes still enjoy listening to the UK remasters as they are sequenced, and clearly enjoy the choices the band made all those years ago. Knowing the Capitol albums are not the bands choices, does affect me somewhat now when I hear those old vinyls. ( I did not buy the Capitol remakes on CD, because of the sequencing issue).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 15, 2010 20:40:54 GMT -5
I fail to see the viewpoint "issuing the sequenced tracks as The Beatles themselves intended" as conservative. Who am I, or you, or anybody to determine a "better sequence" for the albums over the band itself? You just answered this yourself when you said: So, yes, I think Capitol sometimes did a better sequencing job than the Beatles. Hold on. I was not calling The Beatles conservative. I was giving Joseph back some of his own medicine. He said *I* was conservative for enjoying the Capitol albums, claiming that I only liked them because I "heard them at my mother's knee" (which is untrue). I was saying that, if you think about it, Joseph is the one who's more "conservative" because he'll only accept them the way the Beatles intended; it's much more "liberal" to be able to enjoy them differently than The Beatles planned them. Good for you, but we're all different individuals (I always say that when people go with the "oh, I would never do that" routine). Speaking for me, I obviously wouldn't have a problem saying my sequencing worked better, *if* I felt that way. And in some cases I have no problem saying that I think Capitol's sequencing was better-sounding than the Beatles'. The Beatles were humans, not gods who are beyond any criticism. Ah, now, you see, I partly bought the Capitol albums because I LIKED the sequencing a lot of times.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 16, 2010 0:11:06 GMT -5
And your post was taken out because it was a full out shot at Fred and JoeK. It most certainly was not. It was a statement that Fred was nit-picking when he said "Just a minor correction, Joe. The songs on Past Masters were compiled chronologically in the order of the songs' release, not ramdomly." I expressed surprise that Fred would make this remark as the two are almost "twins" in the way they back each other up, and reinforce each others' comments. Steve, you cannot delete a post and then tell people what it said, in your opinion. Let the original stand, and comment on it, or say nothing. Enjoy your vacation. Right now it's two weeks and a warning added to your account. I told you to move on and you didn't. You asked for this and you got it. And you seem to want to push the envelope, since this isn't the first time. I've given you a lot of leeway and you've pushed back. Pushing days are over. I don't want to hear any griping about your suspension. None. Take the break and come back. Or not.
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Joseph McCabe
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 26, 2010 17:51:01 GMT -5
It most certainly was not. It was a statement that Fred was nit-picking when he said "Just a minor correction, Joe. The songs on Past Masters were compiled chronologically in the order of the songs' release, not ramdomly." I expressed surprise that Fred would make this remark as the two are almost "twins" in the way they back each other up, and reinforce each others' comments. Steve, you cannot delete a post and then tell people what it said, in your opinion. Let the original stand, and comment on it, or say nothing. Enjoy your vacation. Right now it's two weeks and a warning added to your account. I told you to move on and you didn't. You asked for this and you got it. And you seem to want to push the envelope, since this isn't the first time. I've given you a lot of leeway and you've pushed back. Pushing days are over. I don't want to hear any griping about your suspension. None. Take the break and come back. Or not. I have JUST seen this! I was away for about three weeks on holiday from about mid January. I came back and have been visiting here - but not posting, as there has been nothing to say - from about early Feb. Today I was exploring around and saw that I had been banned while I was away. I went to the email addy I use for this site and yes - there was the same message. Sorry Mr Marinucci - I had no idea I was being punished. ;D
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 26, 2010 19:19:13 GMT -5
Enjoy your vacation. Right now it's two weeks and a warning added to your account. I told you to move on and you didn't. You asked for this and you got it. And you seem to want to push the envelope, since this isn't the first time. I've given you a lot of leeway and you've pushed back. Pushing days are over. I don't want to hear any griping about your suspension. None. Take the break and come back. Or not. I have JUST seen this! I was away for about three weeks on holiday from about mid January. I came back and have been visiting here - but not posting, as there has been nothing to say - from about early Feb. Today I was exploring around and saw that I had been banned while I was away. I went to the email addy I use for this site and yes - there was the same message. Sorry Mr Marinucci - I had no idea I was being punished. ;D Since you've seen my note, you know where you stand and what's expected. Discussion ended. Thread locked.
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