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Post by ursamajor on Mar 26, 2012 20:24:15 GMT -5
1. McCartney - maybe not an album's worth of complete songs but it has an albums worth of worthwhile songs. 2. Ram - Brilliant from beginning to finish and the bonus tracks only make it better. 3. Band On the Run - Synthesizers don't necessarily date the recording. Even Queen came around to using them by the end of the decade. The songs are so solid and the performances perfect you can't help but enjoy it. 4. Tug of War - Brilliant album except for Dress Me Up and Get It. Two b-sides if I ever heard one. The rest is outstanding and still very listenable to this day. Wanderlust is one of his best solo songs. 5. Chaos and Creation - An amazing album for an man of 63 at the time. Vocals are impeccible and he wrote some of his best songs in a while--Too Much Rain for example. 6. Back To The Egg - This is an exceptinal recording because of the way Paul can master so many genres and do them so well--from power rock to ballads to dance to Rockestra to acoustic to light jazz. This album was and remains very underrated. I like the extras which should have included Goodnight Tonight. Paul thought it didn't fit the album but it would have been great following Arrow Through Me. 7. Flaming Pie - A sort of comeback after Off the Ground which did not include the best tracks available at the time. Flaming Pie brings back Paul's strength with an acoustic guitar and melody driven songs. It is sung and arranged very well. Jeff Lynn did a good job and didn't turn it into sounding like ELO who I like. I remember Paul saying he kept Jeff in check when he was going too much in that direction. Beautiful Night and Calico Skies and Little Willow are stunning. 8. Electric Arguments - If he would have dropped off about 3 of the 14 tracks here he would have had an even more impressive album. As it was it seemed like a breath of fresh air even from a 66 year old. 9. London Town - Kind of underrated only Saturday Night Fervor kept it out of the No. 1 slot. It is a very consistent album except for Morse Moose. Don't Let It Bring You Down, I'm Carrying and With A Little Luck are brilliant standouts. Most of the rest is good and the addition of Mull of Kintyre and Girls' School was a plus. 9. Venus and Mars - Several really great tracks on this including Listen to What the Man Said and Love In Song. No reason for Spirits of Ancient Egypt to exist. 10. Wild Life - I love the whole vibe of this record. It is best listened to from beginning to end with a cold beer or two. 11. Red Rose Speedway - This gets a bum rap and unfairly. I really like at least part of the medley (Hands of Love / Power Cut) and the rest is quite consistent except the Indian on the Moon song. 12. Memory Almost Full - This album is full of great tracks and few real misses. Only Mama Knows and At the End of the End are standouts. 13. Flowers In the Dirt - Another come back marred only by Rough Ride which was a dead end. Paul never rocked harder on Figure of Eight. And I like Motor of Love. "Too Much Rain" is simply amazing, the listener almost feels the wetness of Paul's own tears Except the line "you've gotta learn to laugh" is incongruent with the pain and suffering of the person Paul is singing about .. If you've had a bad unhappy life and then someone says to you you've got to learn to laugh, it just doesn't wash .. that one line ruins the song for me ..
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Post by kc on Mar 26, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -5
1. McCartney - maybe not an album's worth of complete songs but it has an albums worth of worthwhile songs. 2. Ram - Brilliant from beginning to finish and the bonus tracks only make it better. 3. Band On the Run - Synthesizers don't necessarily date the recording. Even Queen came around to using them by the end of the decade. The songs are so solid and the performances perfect you can't help but enjoy it. 4. Tug of War - Brilliant album except for Dress Me Up and Get It. Two b-sides if I ever heard one. The rest is outstanding and still very listenable to this day. Wanderlust is one of his best solo songs. 5. Chaos and Creation - An amazing album for an man of 63 at the time. Vocals are impeccible and he wrote some of his best songs in a while--Too Much Rain for example. 6. Back To The Egg - This is an exceptinal recording because of the way Paul can master so many genres and do them so well--from power rock to ballads to dance to Rockestra to acoustic to light jazz. This album was and remains very underrated. I like the extras which should have included Goodnight Tonight. Paul thought it didn't fit the album but it would have been great following Arrow Through Me. 7. Flaming Pie - A sort of comeback after Off the Ground which did not include the best tracks available at the time. Flaming Pie brings back Paul's strength with an acoustic guitar and melody driven songs. It is sung and arranged very well. Jeff Lynn did a good job and didn't turn it into sounding like ELO who I like. I remember Paul saying he kept Jeff in check when he was going too much in that direction. Beautiful Night and Calico Skies and Little Willow are stunning. 8. Electric Arguments - If he would have dropped off about 3 of the 14 tracks here he would have had an even more impressive album. As it was it seemed like a breath of fresh air even from a 66 year old. 9. London Town - Kind of underrated only Saturday Night Fervor kept it out of the No. 1 slot. It is a very consistent album except for Morse Moose. Don't Let It Bring You Down, I'm Carrying and With A Little Luck are brilliant standouts. Most of the rest is good and the addition of Mull of Kintyre and Girls' School was a plus. 9. Venus and Mars - Several really great tracks on this including Listen to What the Man Said and Love In Song. No reason for Spirits of Ancient Egypt to exist. 10. Wild Life - I love the whole vibe of this record. It is best listened to from beginning to end with a cold beer or two. 11. Red Rose Speedway - This gets a bum rap and unfairly. I really like at least part of the medley (Hands of Love / Power Cut) and the rest is quite consistent except the Indian on the Moon song. 12. Memory Almost Full - This album is full of great tracks and few real misses. Only Mama Knows and At the End of the End are standouts. 13. Flowers In the Dirt - Another come back marred only by Rough Ride which was a dead end. Paul never rocked harder on Figure of Eight. And I like Motor of Love. I count Don't Let It Bring You Down, Love In Song and Figure Of Eight as personal favourites also. They don't often get much attention.
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 26, 2012 21:45:50 GMT -5
1. McCartney - maybe not an album's worth of complete songs but it has an albums worth of worthwhile songs. 2. Ram - Brilliant from beginning to finish and the bonus tracks only make it better. 3. Band On the Run - Synthesizers don't necessarily date the recording. Even Queen came around to using them by the end of the decade. The songs are so solid and the performances perfect you can't help but enjoy it. 4. Tug of War - Brilliant album except for Dress Me Up and Get It. Two b-sides if I ever heard one. The rest is outstanding and still very listenable to this day. Wanderlust is one of his best solo songs. 5. Chaos and Creation - An amazing album for an man of 63 at the time. Vocals are impeccible and he wrote some of his best songs in a while--Too Much Rain for example. 6. Back To The Egg - This is an exceptinal recording because of the way Paul can master so many genres and do them so well--from power rock to ballads to dance to Rockestra to acoustic to light jazz. This album was and remains very underrated. I like the extras which should have included Goodnight Tonight. Paul thought it didn't fit the album but it would have been great following Arrow Through Me. 7. Flaming Pie - A sort of comeback after Off the Ground which did not include the best tracks available at the time. Flaming Pie brings back Paul's strength with an acoustic guitar and melody driven songs. It is sung and arranged very well. Jeff Lynn did a good job and didn't turn it into sounding like ELO who I like. I remember Paul saying he kept Jeff in check when he was going too much in that direction. Beautiful Night and Calico Skies and Little Willow are stunning. 8. Electric Arguments - If he would have dropped off about 3 of the 14 tracks here he would have had an even more impressive album. As it was it seemed like a breath of fresh air even from a 66 year old. 9. London Town - Kind of underrated only Saturday Night Fervor kept it out of the No. 1 slot. It is a very consistent album except for Morse Moose. Don't Let It Bring You Down, I'm Carrying and With A Little Luck are brilliant standouts. Most of the rest is good and the addition of Mull of Kintyre and Girls' School was a plus. 9. Venus and Mars - Several really great tracks on this including Listen to What the Man Said and Love In Song. No reason for Spirits of Ancient Egypt to exist. 10. Wild Life - I love the whole vibe of this record. It is best listened to from beginning to end with a cold beer or two. 11. Red Rose Speedway - This gets a bum rap and unfairly. I really like at least part of the medley (Hands of Love / Power Cut) and the rest is quite consistent except the Indian on the Moon song. 12. Memory Almost Full - This album is full of great tracks and few real misses. Only Mama Knows and At the End of the End are standouts. 13. Flowers In the Dirt - Another come back marred only by Rough Ride which was a dead end. Paul never rocked harder on Figure of Eight. And I like Motor of Love. I count Don't Let It Bring You Down, Love In Song and Figure Of Eight as personal favourites also. They don't often get much attention. I concur !! I also noticed that London Town makes most people's lists but at the bottom half, Paul had something good going with that album but there is one piece of that puzzle missing which stops it from being an out and out classic.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 27, 2012 4:13:32 GMT -5
Have you made an effort to seriously listen to Kisses On The Bottom yet? No. I think I'm out of the reckoning on new (contemporary) product from Paul now: I find where his voice has gone to simply too upsetting. It's like seeing a much loved uncle who was full of vigour sitting in a wheelchair, and knowing he's never going to be on his feet again.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Mar 27, 2012 9:50:52 GMT -5
"Too Much Rain" is simply amazing, the listener almost feels the wetness of Paul's own tears Except the line "you've gotta learn to laugh" is incongruent with the pain and suffering of the person Paul is singing about .. If you've had a bad unhappy life and then someone says to you you've got to learn to laugh, it just doesn't wash .. that one line ruins the song for me .. I know for someone who is truly depressed, telling them to learn to laugh is incongruous and comes of as flippant. However, what I think Paul is saying is not to wallow in your sorrows but instead to move on. I think that is good advice. The alternative to staying too focused on what has happened to you, even if your life has been bad and unhappy, is to find new experiences that are positive which makes your life better. Self pity can be a bottomless pit out of which some people don't emerge. If you start to be able to laugh again after a great tragedy it is a sign you are healing. Laughing can actually affect your mood and can be healing by itself.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 27, 2012 10:57:12 GMT -5
I thought that you were a huge Macca II fan, Joe?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 27, 2012 11:29:01 GMT -5
I thought that you were a huge Macca II fan, Joe? I am. I dunno, lists like this are trying.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 27, 2012 11:33:55 GMT -5
What drags BOTR down is it is the most dated sounding album in Paul's canon. The synths, the whole "dead" Beatles style of studio recording is all over this album. I play BOTR and it screams 1973. Does any of the Beatles' stuff seem "dated" to you? It was the '60s there, after all. I never understand that position. I can still love, say, BE BOP A LU LA even though it sounds like it's out of the '50s.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 27, 2012 11:35:38 GMT -5
I'm not including live, or compilation albums. Yeah, IMO including live albums or comps is cheatin'.
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 27, 2012 12:53:51 GMT -5
To me there are 3 albums which sound dated - With The Beatles, Please Please Me, and Pepper, in that order. All the others sound fresh as a daisy.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 27, 2012 15:24:02 GMT -5
What drags BOTR down is it is the most dated sounding album in Paul's canon. The synths, the whole "dead" Beatles style of studio recording is all over this album. I play BOTR and it screams 1973. Does any of the Beatles' stuff seem "dated" to you? It was the '60s there, after all. I never understand that position. I can still love, say, BE BOP A LU LA even though it sounds like it's out of the '50s. I was referring to what John Lennon once said, that some of the Beatles recorded stuff sounded dead to him perhaps because it was recorded with many overdubs. Not so much dated but either too polished or very restrained from all the overdubs, the opposite of a sharp, crisp live performance. I just read that quote too. I think it was a jab at George Martin and the whole Beatles image as studio perfectionists. To me BOTR is like that and I think of "Mrs. Vandebilt" and "No Words" as two good examples.
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Post by lowbasso on Mar 28, 2012 0:33:06 GMT -5
Does any of the Beatles' stuff seem "dated" to you? It was the '60s there, after all. I never understand that position. I can still love, say, BE BOP A LU LA even though it sounds like it's out of the '50s. I was referring to what John Lennon once said, that some of the Beatles recorded stuff sounded dead to him perhaps because it was recorded with many overdubs. Not so much dated but either too polished or very restrained from all the overdubs, the opposite of a sharp, crisp live performance. I just read that quote too. I think it was a jab at George Martin and the whole Beatles image as studio perfectionists. Interesting that it was John who always insisted to G. Martin that he double-track his voice as often as possible on all Beatles songs as John hated how his singing voice sounded.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 6:19:59 GMT -5
I'm not including live, or compilation albums. Yeah, IMO including live albums or comps is cheatin'. No it's not cheatin' at all...it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours...that's all.........there were no ground rules...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 28, 2012 7:11:45 GMT -5
Yeah, IMO including live albums or comps is cheatin'. No it's not cheatin' at all...it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours...that's all.........there were no ground rules... There might not have been ground rules, but as far as I'm concerned Live albums contain solo 'hits' and also Beatles songs. If you can't come up with enough 'new' studio solo albums to like, knock yourself out. I stand by my opinion that it's cheating.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 28, 2012 10:07:35 GMT -5
No it's not cheatin' at all...it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours...that's all.........there were no ground rules... There might not have been ground rules, but as far as I'm concerned Live albums contain solo 'hits' and also Beatles songs. If you can't come up with enough 'new' studio solo albums to like, knock yourself out. I stand by my opinion that it's cheating. Joe asked me why I picked WOA and when I went to respond I realized I had no good response other than that triple album was such a big deal in 1977/78, an album that made me be proud to be a Beatles/Paul fan. Even the "Heads" at my Junior High School who only liked Heavy Metal kind of liked WOA. It got the "Head Seal Of Approval." ;D Yeah, normally I don't pick live albums and maybe I should have picked Driving Rain. Tug Of War was alway a favorite of mine but it hasn't age so well with me. I love a lot of Stevie Wonder's music but I don't care for the two songs he does on TOW although I like E&I better than the funk song. Nice sentiment there.
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Post by acebackwords on Mar 28, 2012 12:54:54 GMT -5
1. Red Rose Speedway 2. McCartney 3. Tug of War 4. Ram 5. Venus & Mars 6. Off the Ground The rest of his albums I haven't listened to enough to rate, or if I did listen to them I don't rate them highly. 1.) "Red Rose Speedway" could have been another Abbey Road if Paul had had the other Beatles to fill out the songs, as well as forcing him to ditch a couple of the clunkers. 2.) "McCartney" is Paul at his most tuneful and soulful. You really felt this album was as much of an excercize in therapy as "Plastic Ono Band." 3.) "Tug of War" -- How can you go wrong with Paul and George Martin in the same studio? "Ballroom Dancing" is a rousing and much under-rated track. Of course "Ebony & Ivory" is famously putrid and the other 3 Beatles would have never allowed maudlin tripe like that on a Beatles album, though even that song has a great Macca melody. 4.) "Ram" -- worthy sequel to "McCartney." 5.) "Venus & Mars" -- The best opening bit for a live concert every recorded. Get yer wig on straight, now don't be late . . . 6.) "Off the Ground" -- Macca's last great album for my money, with big Beatlesque songs like "Cosmically Conscious" and "C'mon People."
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Post by coachbk on Mar 28, 2012 21:31:10 GMT -5
There might not have been ground rules, but as far as I'm concerned Live albums contain solo 'hits' and also Beatles songs. If you can't come up with enough 'new' studio solo albums to like, knock yourself out. I stand by my opinion that it's cheating. Joe asked me why I picked WOA and when I went to respond I realized I had no good response other than that triple album was such a big deal in 1977/78, an album that made me be proud to be a Beatles/Paul fan. Even the "Heads" at my Junior High School who only liked Heavy Metal kind of liked WOA. It got the "Head Seal Of Approval." ;D Yeah, normally I don't pick live albums and maybe I should have picked Driving Rain. Tug Of War was alway a favorite of mine but it hasn't age so well with me. I love a lot of Stevie Wonder's music but I don't care for the two songs he does on TOW although I like E&I better than the funk song. Nice sentiment there. JSD I think we had a lot of similar experiences "coming of age" as Beatles fans in the 70's. I'm a bit older than you as it was my freshman year in college when WINGS OVER AMERICA came out and I recall that this was one I could safely blast in my hall (or put the speakers out the window) and not have anyone come by and say it was "uncool". The thing I love is that mediocre songs like "Magnetto And Titanium Man" totally rock. "You Gave Me The Answer" has way more energy and of course the opening "Venus And Mars/Rock Show/Jet" is fantastic.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 28, 2012 21:37:07 GMT -5
Joe asked me why I picked WOA and when I went to respond I realized I had no good response other than that triple album was such a big deal in 1977/78, an album that made me be proud to be a Beatles/Paul fan. Even the "Heads" at my Junior High School who only liked Heavy Metal kind of liked WOA. It got the "Head Seal Of Approval." ;D Yeah, normally I don't pick live albums and maybe I should have picked Driving Rain. Tug Of War was alway a favorite of mine but it hasn't age so well with me. I love a lot of Stevie Wonder's music but I don't care for the two songs he does on TOW although I like E&I better than the funk song. Nice sentiment there. JSD I think we had a lot of similar experiences "coming of age" as Beatles fans in the 70's. I'm a bit older than you as it was my freshman year in college when WINGS OVER AMERICA came out and I recall that this was one I could safely blast in my hall (or put the speakers out the window) and not have anyone come by and say it was "uncool". The thing I love is that mediocre songs like "Magnetto And Titanium Man" totally rock. "You Gave Me The Answer" has way more energy and of course the opening "Venus And Mars/Rock Show/Jet" is fantastic. That's a neat story and I can assure you that it was still alright to play WOA in a college dorm even in the early 1980's. In fact, it was safer to blast WOA in the dorm than Pipes Of Peace in 1983! ;D
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Post by mikev on Mar 28, 2012 21:40:29 GMT -5
I snuck Temporary Secretary into the DJ's mix at a dorm part. It did not go over well with the disco crowd nor the new wavers.
The rockers went meh too.
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Post by kc on Mar 28, 2012 22:29:33 GMT -5
In fact, it was safer to blast WOA in the dorm than Pipes Of Peace in 1983! ;D I can understand that. After re-visiting McCartney II upon its recent re-release, as well as a few of Paul's very early albums under the influence of your Postulate, my opinion of Pipes Of Peace is in free fall. Apologies to posters who have shown in their lists that they feel otherwise.
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Post by debjorgo on Mar 28, 2012 22:44:54 GMT -5
In fact, it was safer to blast WOA in the dorm than Pipes Of Peace in 1983! ;D I can understand that. After re-visiting McCartney II upon its recent re-release, as well as a few of Paul's very early albums under the influence of your Postulate, my opinion of Pipes Of Peace is in free fall. Apologies to posters who have shown in their lists that they feel otherwise. McCartney II - I liked the instrumentals, Nobody Knows, and Summer's Day wasn't bad. Pipes of Peace - Say Say Say was a great video, (this was when that meant something), So Bad was not bad (a little bit of Let's Active feel to it), and Hey Hey and Tug of Peace (Paul rapping?) were good.
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Post by kc on Mar 28, 2012 23:38:47 GMT -5
Never thought much of Pipes Of Peace (The song, that is. It's the introduction that spoils it for me.). Prefer The Man to Say Say Say. I do like So Bad. Don't like Hey Hey, or Tug Of Peace (tug of peace, what is that?). Don't mind The Other Me, despite the rhyming slang.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 2:51:51 GMT -5
No it's not cheatin' at all...it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours...that's all.........there were no ground rules... There might not have been ground rules, but as far as I'm concerned Live albums contain solo 'hits' and also Beatles songs. If you can't come up with enough 'new' studio solo albums to like, knock yourself out. I stand by my opinion that it's cheating. I disagree but if you feel good about yourself for not picking live albums then good for you...At least i've considered all his albums, not cheated and confined the choices....
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 29, 2012 3:59:28 GMT -5
Sometimes a live album is so good that it deserves to be included in these lists, IMO, WOA is one such album, it's great from start to finish and most of the versions surpass the originals.
I did not include it in my list but if I was to include it would go straight to #2 right up BOTR's butt !!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 4:17:02 GMT -5
Sometimes a live album is so good that it deserves to be included in these lists, IMO, WOA is one such album, it's great from start to finish and most of the versions surpass the originals. I did not include it in my list but if I was to include it would go straight to #2 right up BOTR's butt !!! Well said... ;D
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Post by mikev on Mar 29, 2012 10:04:21 GMT -5
There might not have been ground rules, but as far as I'm concerned Live albums contain solo 'hits' and also Beatles songs. If you can't come up with enough 'new' studio solo albums to like, knock yourself out. I stand by my opinion that it's cheating. I disagree but if you feel good about yourself for not picking live albums then good for you...At least i've considered all his albums, not cheated and confined the choices.... well speaking of cheating- sorry to say- but a good deal of WOA is studio overdubs. There is no way Paul can produce some of those bass tones while playing and singing. That is why so much video in Rockshow is the audience. Too easy to pick out the overdubs. Won't even get started on the Linda overdubs- but in all fairness- the mixers probably kept her low on stage- so she really couldn't hear herself sing- even on the later tours. Her studio stuff was really not bad for an amateur.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Mar 29, 2012 12:06:21 GMT -5
I disagree but if you feel good about yourself for not picking live albums then good for you...At least i've considered all his albums, not cheated and confined the choices.... well speaking of cheating- sorry to say- but a good deal of WOA is studio overdubs. There is no way Paul can produce some of those bass tones while playing and singing. That is why so much video in Rockshow is the audience. Too easy to pick out the overdubs. Won't even get started on the Linda overdubs- but in all fairness- the mixers probably kept her low on stage- so she really couldn't hear herself sing- even on the later tours. Her studio stuff was really not bad for an amateur. Sorry but you are wrong. I have seen Paul produce those bass tones up close. In fact on that tour in 1976 I had a good seat at Olympia Statium in Detroit. And I could see Paul playing and could hear the bass coming through the speakers. There was no trickery. on Silly Love Songs I had my eyes on him because I knew the bass was quite good on that record. He played every note and you could hear it in the mix. In the film for Kampuchea you can see Paul playing the runs on the bass for Coming Up. Its unmistakable. Bob Seger, famed Detroit legend, saw the Beatles in Detroit in the same stadium 10 years earlier in 1966. He said he had seats very close to the stage and was amazed at Paul's bass playing and singing at the same time especially on songs like Nowhere Man. Now if you are saying he may have overdubbed to correct a couple mistakes here and there, I could buy that. But your assertion of cheating is wrong. If the camera is on the audience on all these overdubs, how do you know those sections were overdubbed? If you are just guessing you need to have more evidence than that.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Mar 29, 2012 12:16:18 GMT -5
In fact, it was safer to blast WOA in the dorm than Pipes Of Peace in 1983! ;D I can understand that. After re-visiting McCartney II upon its recent re-release, as well as a few of Paul's very early albums under the influence of your Postulate, my opinion of Pipes Of Peace is in free fall. Apologies to posters who have shown in their lists that they feel otherwise. Pipes of Peace was leftover tracks from the Tug Of War sessions. So I can see why it wasn't that strong. Paul would have had a good album if he would have waited and combined the Pipes of Peace release with Broadstreet: Side 1 1. Pipes Of Peace 2. Say Say Say 3. The Man 4. Keep Under Cover 5. No Values 6. Through Our Love Side 2 1. No More Lonely Nights 2. The Other Me 3. Average Person 4. So Bad 5. Not Such A Bad Boy 6. No More Lonely Nights (playout)
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Mar 29, 2012 13:06:30 GMT -5
Sorry but you are wrong. I have seen Paul produce those bass tones up close. I hadn't even finished reading mikev's post, but instantly knew RTP would call any type of criticism of Paul "wrong"! ;D
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Post by mikev on Mar 29, 2012 13:43:11 GMT -5
well speaking of cheating- sorry to say- but a good deal of WOA is studio overdubs. There is no way Paul can produce some of those bass tones while playing and singing. That is why so much video in Rockshow is the audience. Too easy to pick out the overdubs. Won't even get started on the Linda overdubs- but in all fairness- the mixers probably kept her low on stage- so she really couldn't hear herself sing- even on the later tours. Her studio stuff was really not bad for an amateur. Sorry but you are wrong. I have seen Paul produce those bass tones up close. In fact on that tour in 1976 I had a good seat at Olympia Statium in Detroit. And I could see Paul playing and could hear the bass coming through the speakers. There was no trickery. on Silly Love Songs I had my eyes on him because I knew the bass was quite good on that record. He played every note and you could hear it in the mix. In the film for Kampuchea you can see Paul playing the runs on the bass for Coming Up. Its unmistakable. Bob Seger, famed Detroit legend, saw the Beatles in Detroit in the same stadium 10 years earlier in 1966. He said he had seats very close to the stage and was amazed at Paul's bass playing and singing at the same time especially on songs like Nowhere Man. Now if you are saying he may have overdubbed to correct a couple mistakes here and there, I could buy that. But your assertion of cheating is wrong. If the camera is on the audience on all these overdubs, how do you know those sections were overdubbed? If you are just guessing you need to have more evidence than that. There was studio perfection in the runs on WOA. Of course Paul can play and sing at the same time, and note for note- I was not disputing that. I've seen him play live and I play bass. The hardest are Day Tripper, Birthday and Penny Lane. He's the best in the business to both play and sing. But the tone and timing in WOA is too pristine and the bass notes are struck with the precision of a studio performance. The problem with studio enhancement of a live performance is that once you start- it is hard to stop. I've listened closely to Wing's Last Flight- the unedited, but soundboard quality cut of Wing's late 70s debacle (debacle meaning cut short- it is actually very good live stuff IMO). Paul's hitting proper notes, but some notes get slightly chopped because you are singing and looking at the audience and moving around. WOA was even and steady. I am only guessing on the audience clips as cover ups, but even the live stuff was obviously culled from different performances. And if everything was on individual tracks- that could be another form of editing but a little more honest if the tracks were stiill live. Sort of like they did on Edit Be Naked. And, Paul's own web page discography admits there was studio overdubs. I do believe that all of the later live releases including the 912 live performances of Hey Jude are for the most part real and minimal editing- here and there type of tweaking.
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