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Post by joeyself on Dec 15, 2010 17:54:15 GMT -5
RINGO'S ROTOGRAVURE, Side 2 vs. WILD LIFE, Side 1
"Cookin' (In the Kitchen Of Love)" (John Lennon) – 3:41 "I'll Still Love You" (George Harrison) – 2:57 "This Be Called A Song" (Eric Clapton) – 3:14 "Las Brisas" (Nancy Andrews/Richard Starkey) – 3:33 "Lady Gaye" (Vini Poncia/Richard Starkey/Clifford T. Ward) – 2:57 "Spooky Weirdness" – 1:26
WILD LIFE, Side 1
"Mumbo" – 3:54 "Bip Bop" – 4:14 "Love Is Strange" (Mickey Baker, Ethel Smith) – 4:50 "Wild Life" – 6:48
Yes, one of these sides is going to advance to the round of 32. Life, as well as love, is strange...
JcS
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 15, 2010 18:20:54 GMT -5
Pass.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 15, 2010 19:59:05 GMT -5
I'm going to give this vote to Ringo because WILD LIFE side 1 is pretty "half-assed". "Mumbo" is fun, but also kind of embarrassing. "Bip Bop" is embarrassing and annoying without being fun. "Love Is Strange" should be re-titled "This is a strange cover song" and "Wild Life" is OK, but doesn't have any need to be 6 minutes long. As to ROTOGRAVURE, "Las Brisas" was my favorite song on this side when I bought the album. "Cookin.." is kind of fun. A nice Lennon throw away for Ringo. George and Clapton give him perhaps stronger material, but curiously I enjoy those songs less. "Lady Gaye" never made an impression on me and "Spooky Weirdness" is exactly that. A shame so many other losing sides didn't get paired with one of these!
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 15, 2010 20:06:45 GMT -5
Might be a good idea. There was another match-up where I didn't vote, because I thought the sides involved didn't deserve my vote, y'know? This looks as if this might be another abstain .... yet.... I do like Mumbo, and Bip Bop. Like, not love or even really like. But, hey, that's half a side - pretty good for a Macca album. Yes, I do believe Macca will get a vote from me here. Go away Ringo with your silly magnifying glass. I actually talked myself into this vote as I typed. Strange ... McCabe
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 15, 2010 20:10:35 GMT -5
Rotogravure is my favourite Ringo solo LP yes I mean favourite ie better than Ringo.
Hate to say it but this blows away Wild Life IMO.
My vote goes to Ringo.
Wild Life S-1 is Paul just mucking about with his new band trying not to be pretentious but I find this extremely pretentious in that Paul would release a rehearsal as of sub-standard songs as an album.
The fact the cover was practically anonymous says it all, Paul knew this album was a dog.
Go Ringo !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 4:53:26 GMT -5
RINGO'S ROTOGRAVURE, Side 2
I'm not a fan of Wild Life...
I can't believe the Beatles Number 2 man thought Wild Life was worth releasing....
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 16, 2010 5:55:07 GMT -5
WILD LIFE steals this one effortlessly for me. I actually like every one of these songs on Side 1 -- for what they are. As I often say, WILD LIFE grew on me years after the fact, and not every song needs to be a "Maybe I'm Amazed" in order to be fun or interesting.
ROTOGRAVURE is a "meh" album from Ringo. I really can only barely tolerate "I'll Still Love You" and "Cookin'" from this side (even though COOKIN' is one of the worst songs John Lennon ever penned).
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Post by nine on Dec 16, 2010 8:04:36 GMT -5
WILD LIFE steals this one effortlessly for me. I actually like every one of these songs on Side 1 -- for what they are. As I often say, WILD LIFE grew on me years after the fact, and not every song needs to be a "Maybe I'm Amazed" in order to be fun or interesting. ROTOGRAVURE is a "meh" album from Ringo. I really can only barely tolerate "I'll Still Love You" and "Cookin'" from this side (even though COOKIN' is one of the worst songs John Lennon ever penned). Funny you picked out the same tracks I would have mentioned. Firstly Cookin'... crap throw away. Easily the worst tune Lennon ever wrote for Ringo (the best was never to come, that of course being Nobody Told Me)... and.... I'll Still Love You. George wrote better songs for Ringo than John and Paul and this is an excellent example of this. What a shame George isn't on this track and what was the George suing Ringo about this track all about?
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Post by mikev on Dec 16, 2010 9:25:05 GMT -5
ROTO Side 1
"Cookin' (In the Kitchen Of Love)" (John Lennon) – 7 a Lennon "clunker" "I'll Still Love You" (George Harrison) – 10 except no actual appearance from GH, this is probably my favorite Ringo song. "This Be Called A Song" (Eric Clapton) – 9.5 a very pleasant throwaway. "Las Brisas" (Nancy Andrews/Richard Starkey) – 8 "Lady Gaye" (Vini Poncia/Richard Starkey/Clifford T. Ward) – 6.5 "Spooky Weirdness" meh
WILD LIFE, Side 1
"Mumbo" – 6 "Bip Bop" – 7.5 "Love Is Strange" – 7 "Wild Life" 8.5 too long
As I've said before- found Rotogravure as a $1 8 track tape cut-out, and thought it was very listenable. Later found a $2 LP cut out
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Post by JCV on Dec 16, 2010 13:53:57 GMT -5
RINGO'S ROTOGRAVURE, Side 2JCV
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 16, 2010 16:14:22 GMT -5
Okay, needless to say the voting and comments have been disheartening to me in this Thread except for some very wise, insightful posts by McCabe and Joe Karlosi. Wings Wild Life-1 is one-half of a masterpiece that Paul did not even set out to make and to this day, still does not realize that he made! It is the masterpiece that most fans don't realize Paul made. Let your hair down, quit drying out your skin with all that bath or shower water and the chemicals we wash in and use to hide our bodies' natural aroma! Quit shaving, don't go to work, skip school. Be free! With that frame of mind, start the journey with "Mumbo" where one learns to lose his or her inhibitions in wild, primal abandon. Dance wildly naked around a fire(your living room will do if you don't like fires)! "Bip Bop" takes what we learned about ourselves in "Mumbo" and apply it in a social setting of family and friends. The freedoms we learn in "Mumbo" are thus applied communally. "Love Is Strange" continues the lesson that nothing is wrong or taboo. If a 48 year old heterosexual man forms a man-crush on the lead guitarist from The Hollies, well that's okay because love is strange. Beautiful. Finally, we don't live in a vacuum of love, hope and happiness. There must be social justice and we find that search in Paul's pained howls on "Wild Life." Like animals in a zoo, man! Yet Paul dismisses this amazing album because McCartney Conventional Wisdom, as determined by the critics and Beatles' fans, dictate that it is a loser. The JSD Postulate is leading the charge to correct that misperception. It starts with Macca himself. RINGO'S ROTOGRAVURE, Side 2 is crap! It came out only one year into my fanship of The Beatles and it almost made me quit being a Beatles fans. Sure, I loved hearing John's voice doing the count-in on "Cookin'" because that is all we had from John in 1976 but there was no meat on those bones! My goodness, George Harrison was so embarrassed by this album that he sued Ringo, trying to stop Ringo from releasing his own "I'll Still Love You." Nope, this is the stealth masterpiece(WWL-1) versus Ringo's running on empty album! This should be all Paul in the voting.
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Post by acebackwords on Dec 16, 2010 17:06:08 GMT -5
I voted for Ringo, mostly as a protest vote against Wild Life which I never got. The only possible explanation for Wild Life was that it was a very bad bag of pot.
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 16, 2010 21:29:55 GMT -5
I think saying the Cookin' in the Kitchen of Love is John's worst song is a nice compliment as it is by far more listenable than anything on Wild Life.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 17, 2010 1:10:14 GMT -5
I think saying the Cookin' in the Kitchen of Love is John's worst song is a nice compliment as it is by far more listenable than anything on Wild Life. And yet, Cookin' is unlistenable. Life is full of these paradoxes. McCabe
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Post by coachbk on Dec 17, 2010 7:52:28 GMT -5
What is with the positive comments for "Bip Bop"? It is so bad I wish I could hide it from all the McCartney critics out there. The lyrics of course are ridiculous, the music repetitive, and the singing simply irritating. "Mumbo" at least rocks and has fun with the stupid "lyrics". "Bip Bop" is just a bore (at best). I enjoy side 2 of WILD LIFE and consider it under-rated, but side 1 the critics pretty much got right.
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 17, 2010 8:57:15 GMT -5
Yet Paul dismisses this amazing album because McCartney Conventional Wisdom, as determined by the critics and Beatles' fans, dictate that it is a loser. And the rest of us dismiss it because it's crap (the NRW Postulate!).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 17, 2010 17:46:11 GMT -5
What is with the positive comments for "Bip Bop"? It is so bad I wish I could hide it from all the McCartney critics out there. The lyrics of course are ridiculous, the music repetitive, and the singing simply irritating. "Mumbo" at least rocks and has fun with the stupid "lyrics". "Bip Bop" is just a bore (at best). I love it and don't find it boring. I don't think of it as a song with "lyrics", I just think of it as a fun nonsense tune to bop to. Don't think of it as anything other than that. It's not meant to be. If you walk around humming "La La La," that's like the same thing. I also don't mind a change in voice patterns and styles sometimes with such offbeat oddities... it's a nice change. God knows Paul's wrote hundreds of other "properly sung lyrical gems" when I want to hear those.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 17, 2010 20:44:36 GMT -5
What is with the positive comments for "Bip Bop"? It is so bad I wish I could hide it from all the McCartney critics out there. The lyrics of course are ridiculous, the music repetitive, and the singing simply irritating. "Mumbo" at least rocks and has fun with the stupid "lyrics". "Bip Bop" is just a bore (at best). I enjoy side 2 of WILD LIFE and consider it under-rated, but side 1 the critics pretty much got right. I think the Bip Bop guitar instrumental is good. It shows you that ignoring the lyrics or accepting them as Joe said, there is an interesting melody there. I also really like the guitar intro of the version with lyrics. I think it sounds great. I used to loop it and play it over again on tape to make it into its own instrumental.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 18, 2010 0:02:39 GMT -5
Well at least you've given me an explanation of why you like it. Unfortunately I have the irritating tune stuck in my head right now-UGGH- Joe K, you seem to be a fan of my least favorites of Paul ("Bip Bop") and John ("How Do You Sleep") Any chance you also are a fan of George's cover of "Bye Bye Love", or Ringo's dreadful disco song from RINGO THE 4TH too?
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 18, 2010 2:32:48 GMT -5
What is with the positive comments for "Bip Bop"? It is so bad I wish I could hide it from all the McCartney critics out there. The lyrics of course are ridiculous, the music repetitive, and the singing simply irritating. "Mumbo" at least rocks and has fun with the stupid "lyrics". "Bip Bop" is just a bore (at best). I enjoy side 2 of WILD LIFE and consider it under-rated, but side 1 the critics pretty much got right. I think "Bip Bop" has a cool overall sound to it and I do love that little guitar riff. Very homey, very down-to-earth. coachbk, I take it that you didn't like Ringo's "La De Da" either? ;D
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 18, 2010 6:31:47 GMT -5
Well at least you've given me an explanation of why you like it. Unfortunately I have the irritating tune stuck in my head right now-UGGH- Joe K, you seem to be a fan of my least favorites of Paul ("Bip Bop") and John ("How Do You Sleep") Any chance you also are a fan of George's cover of "Bye Bye Love", or Ringo's dreadful disco song from RINGO THE 4TH too? I despise BYE BYE LOVE. Which disco song are you referring to from RINGO THE 4th? I so like CAN SHE DO IT LIKE SHE DANCES, if that's the one you mean. I also like DROWNING IN THE SEA OF LOVE, and others off that album (I think I enjoy R4 better than ROTOGRAVURE overall).
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Post by stavros on Dec 18, 2010 13:08:24 GMT -5
Another two sides where I could find little between them "Spooky Weirdness" is the stand out track so Ringo wins.
Rotogravure is Ringo through the looking glass. Well at least behind it. It is average fodder from Ringo in the mid-seventies as he plodded through the decade . Music to do the hoovering up to.
Wild Life is maybe Paul's equivalent of "Plastic Ono Band". Whereas John's classic album was stripped bare and a very personal insight into his psyche. "Plastic Mac" is shallow, meaningless and perhaps also an insight into Paul's psyche.
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Post by theman on Dec 18, 2010 15:33:39 GMT -5
What a tough vote.
I always liked Mumbo. Bip Bop is not a song that I'd actually site down and say, "let's put that one on". But when it comes on, currently on BOTR radio, I can stop myself from kinda tapping my way through it. "Love is Strange" has that really bad, almost lead vocal thing coming from Liinda. "Wild Life" is way too long!
Ringo!!! Not so good (side one was what I always liked about this album). But a side with songs by John, George and Eric (and Vini Poncia!) has to win.
By the way, I seemed to have missed the story about George "suing" Ringo over "I'll Still Love You". What happened here?
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Post by coachbk on Dec 18, 2010 18:31:41 GMT -5
In answer to the questions to me, it was "Can She Do It Like She Dances" So JoeK and I are at least in agreement on "Bye Bye Love"!
In answer to JSD, I don't mind "La De Da". It's pleasant enough for a Ringo song.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 20, 2010 17:15:39 GMT -5
I took ROTOGRAVURE on the strength of "I'll Still Love You" and on the weakness of WILD LIFE 1.
JcS
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