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Post by joeyself on Dec 18, 2010 1:06:22 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY 2, Side 2 vs. GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
MCCARTNEY 2, Side 2
1."Front Parlour" – 3:32 2."Summer's Day Song" – 3:25 3."Frozen Jap" – 3:40 4."Bogey Music" – 3:27 5."Darkroom" – 2:20 6."One of These Days" – 3:35
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
1."Faster" – 4:46 2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 3:22 3."Your Love Is Forever" – 3:45 4."Soft Touch" – 3:59 5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 2:55
Two eponymous albums (sort of) take us to the midway point in this tourney; 31 matches have been posted before this one, and 31 more are to come.
The first round for all the matches will end in about 3 days. There are still a couple of matches tied, and at least two others that COULD go either way if a few more players showed up.
JcS
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 18, 2010 1:38:30 GMT -5
I really like the GH album but I have been hearing the M2 tracks on Paul's Sirius radio station and they sound good for the most part.
MCCARTNEY 2, Side 2
1."Front Parlour" – 3:32 Clever 8.0 2."Summer's Day Song" – 3:25 Brilliant 10.0 3."Frozen Jap" – 3:40 This is an underrated track. Epic tune. 9.5 4."Bogey Music" – 3:27 Silly non love song 6.0 5."Darkroom" – 2:20 Sounds better today than in 1980 7.5 6."One of These Days" – 3:35 Impressive lyrically and musically 9.0
Avg. 8.3
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
1."Faster" – 4:46 Good start 8.5 2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 3:22 Dull 6.0 3."Your Love Is Forever" – 3:45 An improvement over the previous track 7.5 4."Soft Touch" – 3:59 Interesting ultimately goes nowhere 7.0 5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 2:55 Memorable 8.5
Avg. 7.5
Advantage M2
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 18, 2010 2:20:07 GMT -5
No, no RTP. You must give an honest opinion. A man with your intelligience and musical feel could not possibly rate MaccaII, side 2 better than GH side 2. You see, I think you feel as if you have to always rate Macca more highly, otherwise you would ruin your image. Not so. You must be honest. You know you rate GH side 2 better than Macca II side 2. See Mr Self about changing your vote. If you can't, beg our forgiveness. You'll get it, providing you do penance. The penance will be listening to Macca II completely ten times, straight. And now, pardon me while I vote for the real thing. McCabe
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Post by vectisfabber on Dec 18, 2010 3:57:50 GMT -5
My word, these godawful McCartney sides do keep popping up, don't they? There's nothing special about the GH one, but at least it isn't awful.
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Post by ursamajor on Dec 18, 2010 5:16:58 GMT -5
I can't vote for a side with Front Parlour on it. Why you ask ?
When I had a party in 1989, I had Macca II on and it started with Front Parlour and every person said get that crap off. I was so embarrassed. It was my mistake to put Macca II on at a party.
GH-2 btw has some sublime music, Your Love is Forever is the standout for me.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Dec 18, 2010 6:25:58 GMT -5
As I always say, I have a great fondness for McCARTNEY II. I was 18 in 1980 when it was released, and it was a soundtrack to my summertime that year when I was graduating high school. I will always hold a special place in my heart for it, and I do like that Paul showed some chops by releasing this, which was an experimental venture and something refreshingly unique and different for him.
But -- BUT -- BUT!!! ----- As Joseph McCabe said, there is just no way that Macca's stuff here is better than George's GEORGE HARRISON album (come on, RTP -- own up, for God's sake!). This side here from George is pure bliss ... just warm and lovely songs. George craps all over Paul in this round, or he should, anyway, if fans are fully aware of both these sides/albums.
Only thing I would ask McCabe is this -- if you rate Paul's recent ELECTRIC ARGUMENTS so well, why not M2, which is just as offbeat and experimental? (or is it that you think M2 is okay, but just not in the same league as GH...?).
George Wins!
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Post by RockoRoll on Dec 18, 2010 8:08:34 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY 2, Side 2 vs. GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2 The first round for all the matches will end in about 3 days. There are still a couple of matches tied, and at least two others that COULD go either way if a few more players showed up. JcS Let us know which ones Joey (by PM) that are tied, and I'II add my vote...Cheers Rocco
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Post by RockoRoll on Dec 18, 2010 8:57:43 GMT -5
Sorry Joe & Joseph, call me the quiet RTP-II but its McCartney II for me, GH-2, is very boring. Just with *One Of These Days*, walks all over GH-2....*Faster* starts off dynamic, then it falls flat, yuk, can't believe its coming from my second favourite Beatle. The one who let out all that steam with ATMP and loved all the songs on it....too this? During 1979-1980, I'm glad I only bought the single *Blow Away* from George, but from Paul I bought his single & music sheet *Goodnight Tonight*, *Coming Up*, and albums BTTE & MII. The albums were average, a bit depressing in front of the girls or friends...Oh well, thats how it was in those days..... *Disco* was in......
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Post by mikev on Dec 18, 2010 9:43:39 GMT -5
MCCARTNEY 2, Side 2
1."Front Parlour" 4 2."Summer's Day Song" – 8 3."Frozen Jap" – 4 4."Bogey Music" – 5.5 5."Darkroom" – 2 6."One of These Days" –8
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
1."Faster" – 9 2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 8.5 3."Your Love Is Forever" – 8 4."Soft Touch" – 8.5 5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 10
No contest. To me this was a brilliant GH album and one of my first solo albums I purchased at release.
McCartney II was a lot of rubbish considering how many songs he left in the can over the years.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Dec 18, 2010 12:28:16 GMT -5
No, no RTP. You must give an honest opinion. A man with your intelligience and musical feel could not possibly rate MaccaII, side 2 better than GH side 2. You see, I think you feel as if you have to always rate Macca more highly, otherwise you would ruin your image. Not so. You must be honest. You know you rate GH side 2 better than Macca II side 2. See Mr Self about changing your vote. If you can't, beg our forgiveness. You'll get it, providing you do penance. The penance will be listening to Macca II completely ten times, straight. And now, pardon me while I vote for the real thing. McCabe I went back and explored the depths of my soul as it relates (if it does) to these two sides. It was a gut (soul) wrenching experience. In my reassessment and completely conscious of not favoring You Know Who, I came up with the following results. 1."Front Parlour" – 3:32 Initally catchy then quickly unnerving 5.0 2."Summer's Day Song" – 3:25 Brilliant 10.0 3."Frozen Jap" – 3:40 This is an underrated track. Impressive tune 9.5 4."Bogey Music" – 3:27 Silly non love song 5.0 5."Darkroom" – 2:20 Sounds better today than in 1980 7.5 6."One of These Days" – 3:35 Impressive lyrically and musically 9.0 Avg. 7.67 GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2 1."Faster" – 4:46 Good start 8.5 2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 3:22 Dull 6.0 3."Your Love Is Forever" – 3:45 Beautiful song 9.0 4."Soft Touch" – 3:59 Interesting ultimately goes nowhere 6.5 5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 2:55 I have always liked this one 8.5 Avg. 7.70 Conclusion. I still think M2 side 2 has some merit. Come on McCabe it can't be all dreck. Now you have to be honest too. But I have always thought GH album was one of his better efforts.
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Post by stavros on Dec 18, 2010 13:33:26 GMT -5
Great stuff from George. A very pleasant listen throughout. I do like Faster & Dark Sweet Lady. I really think "Your Love is Forever" takes a few listens to realise what a great track it is. "Soft Touch" is also another quality track on this side and "If You Believe" is a good track to finish the album up. George in a very happy mood and certainly one of his best. But this is not an album I owned until the re-issues came out shortly after his death. Whereas "McCartney II" was schoolboy pocket money purchase and holds some fond memories, if not necessarily any classic Macca tracks. "Front Parlour" sounds like Jean Macca Jarre in all honesty. A bit of a TV theme tune rather than an openinig album cut. "Summer's Day Song" is underrated but maybe under produced. Nice song though. "Frozen Jap" has some classic Macca lyrics about his stay in Tokyo at the request of the Japanese government . "Bogey Music" is just a load of nonsense but is quite good fun. "Dark Room" was always one of my favourites of the album and the re-mix on Twin Freaks is even better. And "One of these Days" is a great acoustic song in the same sort of vein as "I Will". But fond memories are not enough and I have decided on George Harrison for it's quality throughout.
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Post by JCV on Dec 18, 2010 13:48:38 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2JCV
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 18, 2010 14:48:31 GMT -5
No, no RTP. You must give an honest opinion. A man with your intelligience and musical feel could not possibly rate MaccaII, side 2 better than GH side 2. You see, I think you feel as if you have to always rate Macca more highly, otherwise you would ruin your image. Not so. You must be honest. You know you rate GH side 2 better than Macca II side 2. See Mr Self about changing your vote. If you can't, beg our forgiveness. You'll get it, providing you do penance. The penance will be listening to Macca II completely ten times, straight. And now, pardon me while I vote for the real thing. McCabe I went back and explored the depths of my soul as it relates (if it does) to these two sides. It was a gut (soul) wrenching experience. In my reassessment and completely conscious of not favoring You Know Who, I came up with the following results. 1."Front Parlour" – 3:32 Initally catchy then quickly unnerving 5.0 2."Summer's Day Song" – 3:25 Brilliant 10.0 3."Frozen Jap" – 3:40 This is an underrated track. Impressive tune 9.5 4."Bogey Music" – 3:27 Silly non love song 5.0 5."Darkroom" – 2:20 Sounds better today than in 1980 7.5 6."One of These Days" – 3:35 Impressive lyrically and musically 9.0 Avg. 7.67 GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2 1."Faster" – 4:46 Good start 8.5 2."Dark Sweet Lady" – 3:22 Dull 6.0 3."Your Love Is Forever" – 3:45 Beautiful song 9.0 4."Soft Touch" – 3:59 Interesting ultimately goes nowhere 6.5 5."If You Believe" (Harrison/Gary Wright) – 2:55 I have always liked this one 8.5 Avg. 7.70 Conclusion. I still think M2 side 2 has some merit. Come on McCabe it can't be all dreck. Now you have to be honest too. But I have always thought GH album was one of his better efforts. Congrats, RTP. I have renewed respect for your good self. And, whisper it very quietly, but I don't mind Summer's Day Song. Trouble is, I think - like a lot of efforts on Macca II - the whole thing popped into his head, fully formed, even the arrangement. No further work needed! That is McCartney's problem: some things need work, and for some things, no amount of work rescues them. McCabe
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Post by John S. Damm on Dec 18, 2010 14:59:34 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
Not even close even though I absolutely love "Summer's Day Song" and also really like "One of These Days."
GH-2 has "Your Love Is Forever" which is about at the toppermost of my Hari-most! I cannot get enough of that song. I love the overall acoustic feel of GH-2. Beautiful music by George and we even get a certified love song from George to Olivia in "Dark Sweet Lady." One never knew if George was singing to a woman or to God but on DSL it is pretty clear, the lovely and quite young Olivia.
I sometimes escape into the sweet sounds of GH-2 whereas GH-1 is more eclectic in arrangement, more pop oriented and thus fun in its own way.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Dec 18, 2010 15:02:43 GMT -5
Only thing I would ask McCabe is this -- if you rate Paul's recent ELECTRIC ARGUMENTS so well, why not M2, which is just as offbeat and experimental? (or is it that you think M2 is okay, but just not in the same league as GH...?). I don't think that Macca II is experimental. I think it's McCartney doodling to see what comes up. I don't feel as if there's any ... drive in the music. OTOH, Electric Arguments has care, drive, and feeling everywhere. I personally don't believe it was done at the rate of a track per day from scratch; it suits Macca to make that claim as he thinks it reflects his genius. The unusual pull of EA for me is that the artist seems committed. The last time I felt Macca was totally committed to a work was in RAM, his Unplugged work, and, to a lesser extent, Chaos & Creation. McCabe
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Post by theman on Dec 18, 2010 15:20:15 GMT -5
Neither of these sides was as good as their side-1 companions. That being said, my overall feeling about these two LPs, in the day, was that George Harrison was much more accomplished than Macca2.
Now, voting on the merits of the sides, it's still easy for me. "Faster", "Your Love is Forever" and "If you Believe" are memorable GH songs while the other two are not bad, but just not...hmmm.... consequential, I guess. On Macca2, Bogey Music is the only song I remember spending much time listening to (as stavros said...good fun). Now, as an older gentleman, I can appreciate the tunefulness of "One of These Days". But the rest are just filler.
GH wins.
By the way, I did not go back to listen to these two, but "Frozen Jap" was an instrumental, wasn't it? Is there a bootleg version with lyrics as stavros has suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 16:24:42 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2
This GH side wins easily in my mind because it's opposition is clearly not a sign of a highly credentialed craftsman working at his craft....
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Post by stavros on Dec 18, 2010 16:48:56 GMT -5
By the way, I did not go back to listen to these two, but "Frozen Jap" was an instrumental, wasn't it? Is there a bootleg version with lyrics as stavros has suggested. Not to my knowledge - that was a just a joke poking fun at what the track may indeed be about but the fact that Paul plays his cards far too close to his chest to ever reveal the truth to us.
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Post by coachbk on Dec 18, 2010 18:25:47 GMT -5
GEORGE HARRISON, Side 2Not even close even though I absolutely love "Summer's Day Song" and also really like "One of These Days." GH-2 has "Your Love Is Forever" which is about at the toppermost of my Hari-most! I cannot get enough of that song. . I'll start with the quotes above because that is exactly what I was going to say. (Really just what was running through my head as I read the posts). Also I really love "Faster". I reviewed this album for my college newspaper and I remember writing something about how at first glance it seemed strange for the "spiritual" Beatle to be writing about race cars, but the lyrics revealed he was applying his spritual side to a traditionally non-spiritual subject. Beyond that the rest of GH is better than the rest of McC 2.
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Post by joeyself on Dec 18, 2010 21:02:40 GMT -5
Add me to the list of those that like "Summer's Day Song" and "One Of These Days," but surrounding that duo are tracks that are either tedious or outright dreck. GH 2 is a steady listen from start to finish, and gets my vote easily.
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Post by nine on Dec 18, 2010 22:21:56 GMT -5
Macca 2 for me.
This album is one of my favourite solo albums.
GH has some good songs but it can't compare. I know I''m in the minority here!
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