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Post by joeyself on Feb 28, 2011 11:03:13 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3 vs. BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3
1. "Beware of Darkness" 3:48 2. "Apple Scruffs" 3:04 3. "Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)" 3:46 4. "Awaiting on You All" 2:45 5. "All Things Must Pass" 3:44
BAND ON THE RUN, Side 1
1. "Band on the Run" 5:10 2. "Jet" 4:06 3. "Bluebird" 3:22 4. "Mrs Vandebilt" 4:38 5. "Let Me Roll It" 4:47
I decided to put both semi-finals up at the same time. These two will run for at least 5 days, maybe more if I can tell some regular players haven't weighed in and one or both of the matches are still close.
So, will it be an all Paul or all George final, or will sides from the two youngest Beatles battle it out one more time in the final?
JcS
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Post by joeyself on Feb 28, 2011 11:54:34 GMT -5
I hope all see that both semi finals are up at the same time. There have been three comments in the 1st one, and nothing here yet. I don't want the way I did this to throw anyone off.
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 28, 2011 11:59:59 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3
A very, very amazing showing by George on just one album Side. "All Things Must Pass" is so majestic. That song deserves to be more on everyone's radar, not just us fans.
Paul's song "Band On The Run" was my favorite song that Spring/Summer of 1974 when I remember it being played every hour by WLS. I wasn't even sure who Paul McCartney was but his name looked cool printed on my Apple 45 single(Paul McCartney & Wings I think it said) and I felt a strange connection to the sound of his voice. In a year or so, I would start my journey but there was something magical about this single to me that laid much footwork for my ultimate conversion.
BOTR-1 is strong but Hari still beats it in my opinion. BOTR-1 might beat any other ATMP Side in my book but not in this pairing.
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Post by mikev on Feb 28, 2011 12:24:20 GMT -5
Band on the Run was a great "debut" album by the core line-up of Wings. ATMP featured at least one "Beatle" song and two Beatles on the LP. Both had songs in the high 9-10 and at least one "throwaway". This is a virtual tie- but I'm sure the Mac-hatters will catapult Macca into the finals. ATMP by a nose- that happens to belong to Ringo.
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Post by JCV on Feb 28, 2011 12:56:09 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3This was extremely hard to pick, but I'm going with George this time. JCV P.S. Paul still ROCKS! ;D
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Post by coachbk on Feb 28, 2011 13:23:35 GMT -5
Well these are the two sides I would have liked to see in the finals as I believe they are the two best sides. BOTR starts out better, but ATMP finishes stronger. Both have high quality music, lyrics, songwriting, production and instrumental playing. Both sides have have that unique combination of being serious works in the artistic sense and yet very enjoyable to listen to. BOTR was Paul's statement that he was back to being a major artist and ATMP was George showing he could not only succeed, but shine on his own. And these are the two strongest sides from each LP. Since I can only pick one side, I'm going with BOTR side 1. It is just so classic and a side that appeals to a wide audience. In any case, whichever side wins this round will get my vote in the final.
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Post by Joseph McCabe on Feb 28, 2011 15:08:41 GMT -5
This has been an exhausting road, and it's not finished yet. The problem is finding something new to say!
I'll tell two stories. When I first heard Band On The Run, I was relieved that at last Paulie had done something that was totally listenable - as opposed to the unlistenable twee and fluffy songs that had comprised most of his solo output (but not all - rmemeber I liked quite a lot of Ram!). Within a short time, however, the emptiness of the BOTR songs was too much to bear. The music had more balls, yes, but the lyrics were empty.
The next story is my initial reaction to side 3 of All Things. Oustanding side of rock music, except, for a while, I did not like the song All Things Must Pass. I thought it dreary and a little forced, and the arrangement wasn't too hot either. Can you believe that? My girlfriend at the time really liked it, and thought that the song would grow on me. She was right!
So where to now? BOTR never grew on me; in fact, I really cannot bear to listen to most of it now. From liking the album at first, it was downhill from then on.
All Things, great on first listen (except for my hasty judgement about the song All Things Must Pass), has become a classic for me. And Side 3 is its pinnacle.
So its All Things for me ...
McCabe
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Post by diego on Feb 28, 2011 17:09:05 GMT -5
I think I might vote for BOTR here, ATMP is a better album overall of course, but BOTR's problems for me are on side 2.
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Post by vectisfabber on Feb 28, 2011 18:34:37 GMT -5
ATMP3
I wish it hadn't been BOTR1.
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Post by nicole21290 on Feb 28, 2011 20:00:48 GMT -5
DAMN.
I like BOTR more and listen to it more often but as much as I adore it the better album side here is ATMP.
Again, DAMN.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 28, 2011 20:48:31 GMT -5
ATMP3 I wish it hadn't been BOTR1. I thought it might come to this--one of the ATMP sides against BOTR 1--when the last round started. I wasn't sure how I was going to handle it, but then I decided to let the voters do it for me. Using the voting in the previous round, the higher percentage Macca side against whatever Harrison side got the lower percentage. (I'd also determined to use something like that if a Lennon side was involved.) This may well be the duo that should be in the finals, but RAM 1 has been strong throughout, too. And it may turn out to be two Hari sides... JcS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 1:23:29 GMT -5
ALL THINGS MUST PASS, Side 3
George by a whisker
Santa's whisker that is.......
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Post by stavros on Mar 1, 2011 6:59:03 GMT -5
ATMP builds and finishes strongly. BOTR starts well and then falters a bit as it ends. On another day I may have voted differently but I'm gonna let it roll. George has it.
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Post by joeyself on Mar 1, 2011 18:11:35 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm standing at my record shelf, and I'm trying to decide which side to play--BOTR 1 and ATMP 3. And I'm not sure which one I'd reach for...probably ATMP 3, but I'm going to think about it some more.
JcS
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Post by scousette on Mar 1, 2011 18:23:28 GMT -5
DAMN. I like BOTR more and listen to it more often but as much as I adore it the better album side here is ATMP. Again, DAMN. It's OK, Nicole. ATMP Side 3
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Post by joeyself on Mar 3, 2011 0:18:59 GMT -5
I took ATMP 3 here; "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vandebilt" drag down the program a bit, while ATMP 3 doesn't suffer from 8 minutes of material that I don't relish.
JcS
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Post by coachbk on Mar 3, 2011 8:42:48 GMT -5
I took ATMP 3 here; "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vandebilt" drag down the program a bit, while ATMP 3 doesn't suffer from 8 minutes of material that I don't relish. JcS I just listened to BOTR again last night. Side 1 is just incredible and these two songs are fantastic. "Bluebird" is a very sophisticated musical piece. Soothing melody, well sung (including some of Linda's best backup work) and the jazzy touches with the horns add some variety. "Mrs. Vanderbilt" is great for the fantastic opening bass alone. Add the overall excitement and confidence of the music, singing and lyrics and you get the complete package. I also listened to RAM again. "Three Legs" is so weak that I have to give BOTR the edge for that alone. Tonight I'll listen to ATMP again.
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 3, 2011 11:52:11 GMT -5
I took ATMP 3 here; "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vandebilt" drag down the program a bit, while ATMP 3 doesn't suffer from 8 minutes of material that I don't relish. JcS I just listened to BOTR again last night. Side 1 is just incredible and these two songs are fantastic. "Bluebird" is a very sophisticated musical piece. Soothing melody, well sung (including some of Linda's best backup work) and the jazzy touches with the horns add some variety. "Mrs. Vanderbilt" is great for the fantastic opening bass alone. Add the overall excitement and confidence of the music, singing and lyrics and you get the complete package. I also listened to RAM again. "Three Legs" is so weak that I have to give BOTR the edge for that alone. Tonight I'll listen to ATMP again. I know that I am tough on BOTR but most of Side 1 is really good and I'd be the first to admit that just the title song alone could have beaten any of Ringo's post-Goodnight Vienna album sides and either Side of George's DH or ET! ;D But I agree with Joey that "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vandebilt" tend to drag things down for BOTR-1. Neither are bad songs by any means. I tend to not like jazz and that goes for John's songs too like "Bless You." I got a kick out of the YouTube video of Paul doing MV live because that was a setlist surprise but the song/recording to me is a pseudo-novelty song, in the realm of "Famous Groupies," "Average Person," "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey," et al. MV is jaunty enough so it at least it isn't sleep inducing.
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Post by joeyself on Mar 3, 2011 11:52:58 GMT -5
I just listened to BOTR again last night. Side 1 is just incredible and these two songs are fantastic. "Bluebird" is a very sophisticated musical piece. Soothing melody, well sung (including some of Linda's best backup work) and the jazzy touches with the horns add some variety. "Mrs. Vanderbilt" is great for the fantastic opening bass alone. Add the overall excitement and confidence of the music, singing and lyrics and you get the complete package. I don't disagree about the music of "Bluebird," I just don't care for the song as a whole that much (don't HATE it, just not a favorite). The "Ho-hey-Ho" part of "Mrs. Vandebilt" grated on me even as a teen. But 'tis all a matter of tastes... JcS
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Post by vectisfabber on Mar 3, 2011 19:53:05 GMT -5
I love Bluebird - I think it's a really classy piece.
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Post by theman on Mar 4, 2011 1:04:36 GMT -5
Actually, the only song on side -1 of BOTR that hasn't worn well with me is "Let Me Roll It." I think hearing it in almost the same spot of every single MACCA CONCERT that I've been to has worn out its welcome with me.
On the other hand, I've been pleased to rediscover "Bluebird" which has just gorgeous harmony vocals. Mrs. V is a top notch sing-along as well.
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Post by ursamajor on Mar 4, 2011 2:38:34 GMT -5
I took ATMP 3 here; "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vandebilt" drag down the program a bit, while ATMP 3 doesn't suffer from 8 minutes of material that I don't relish. JcS I just listened to BOTR again last night. Side 1 is just incredible and these two songs are fantastic. "Bluebird" is a very sophisticated musical piece. Soothing melody, well sung (including some of Linda's best backup work) and the jazzy touches with the horns add some variety. "Mrs. Vanderbilt" is great for the fantastic opening bass alone. Add the overall excitement and confidence of the music, singing and lyrics and you get the complete package. I also listened to RAM again. "Three Legs" is so weak that I have to give BOTR the edge for that alone. Tonight I'll listen to ATMP again. Wow, I really like 3 Legs, amazing how everyone's tastes do vary. I'm not so keen on Smile Away anymore and I think it's well placed at the end of side 1.
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Post by coachbk on Mar 4, 2011 9:47:06 GMT -5
[quote I also listened to RAM again. "Three Legs" is so weak that I have to give BOTR the edge for that alone. Tonight I'll listen to ATMP again. [/quote]
Wow, I really like 3 Legs, amazing how everyone's tastes do vary. I'm not so keen on Smile Away anymore and I think it's well placed at the end of side 1.[/quote]
My son also likes "3 Legs". He likes how it changes tempo (I like that part of the song OK myself). I just cannot stomach the lyrics. The vocals are also weak, particularly some of Linda's most annoying backup vocals.
I agree that the placement of "Smile Away" at the end of side 1 is perfect. I like the basic rock contrast coming after the "sound collage" sound of "Uncle Albert".
Of course in the CD age that is less of a factor, but still a good mix with the folkish "Heart Of The Country" coming after "Smile Away".
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Post by John S. Damm on Mar 4, 2011 12:21:00 GMT -5
My son also likes "3 Legs". He likes how it changes tempo (I like that part of the song OK myself). I just cannot stomach the lyrics. The vocals are also weak, particularly some of Linda's most annoying backup vocals. I agree that the placement of "Smile Away" at the end of side 1 is perfect. I like the basic rock contrast coming after the "sound collage" sound of "Uncle Albert". Of course in the CD age that is less of a factor, but still a good mix with the folkish "Heart Of The Country" coming after "Smile Away". Man, this discussion is making my mouth water to hear Ram played really loud! I can't wait for the reissue of such! I have the DCC Gold version of Ram remastered by Steve Hoffman in 1993 so maybe that will have to do tonight!
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Mar 5, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -5
I went with BOTR1. It's great to have this fine piece pf work from Paul, I can play it to friends without any fear of embarrassment.
ATMP 3 is great also, I prefer ATMP 1 and 2 though.
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