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Post by acebackwords on Jun 6, 2013 21:23:54 GMT -5
He's just letting them know that they're pushing it and pushing it and PUSHING it. And how much is a reasonable person expected to tolerate (until it reaches the point where I'm fully justified in grabbing you around the throat and throttling you until you're dead).
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 7, 2013 5:09:19 GMT -5
He's just letting them know that they're pushing it and pushing it and PUSHING it. And how much is a reasonable person expected to tolerate (until it reaches the point where I'm fully justified in grabbing you around the throat and throttling you until you're dead). Yeah, that's all Paul would need to do -- throttle someone until they're dead. I'm sure he'd be "absolved" of any charge in court..., If Paul would have just kept quiet and kept walking, said absolutely nothing, and walked into his home just as he did at the end of this video, we might not even be watching it right now. As it turned out, Paul made this video extremely entertaining in all the wrong ways by losing his temper. Even though the press and fans were always a part of celebrity, I do think things have become WORSE in the past 20 years or so. I even saw Ringo on a talk show recently where he said it is much harder to be a celebrity today than it was in the 1960s. However, I maintain that losing one's privacy and being photographed everywhere you go is a part of the price of choosing to be famous. They've been well paid for their inconvenience as well. Paul stands outside a French restaurant bitching at the photographers in another video -- all I know is, I can't afford a trip to France...
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 7, 2013 10:43:56 GMT -5
All fair comment, and I agree 100% - I have a friend who says "If you don't like it, give the money back." Except you can't.
It does seem a little sad that 99 times out of 100 you can keep your temper, turn your back and walk away in silence, and the one time you crack, there are the cameras up your nose - Gotcha! So much better to make it 100 times out of 100.
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Post by ReturnToPepperland on Jun 7, 2013 10:49:01 GMT -5
He was trying to annoy them the way they were annoying him. I say he is perfectly justified. He gave them what they wanted at the beginning and that wasn't enough. You don't see that on the film. He was perfectly nice to them in the beginning and when that wasn't enough for the bas#@$&s he was annoyed and let them know it. Its the type of people who when you give them an inch they take a mile. Surprisingly, I am on Paul's side on this one. Well, have you seen the beginning of this footage somewhere else? As far as I know, there hasn't been any. We do get the impression here that Paul may have given them something at first, but what? The chance to film him for a bit, and then "enough"? But no matter how you wish to twist it to maintain your God-like worship of Paul, there was NO REASON for him to resort to name-calling, whatever the annoyance. If you watch this video, it SEEMS that the "fat girl" was not even in the area at the beginning -- she "seems" to be intercepted later on when Paul's crossing the street, with her own camera. Why, even you, RTP, may have been visiting London that day and, had Paul crossed a street and you were there gawking at him or taking a photo, he may have ranked you out as well!!?! Yes there is another version of this film that is much longer where you see Paul stopping and being polite and letting them take pictures. That is why Paul got angry. He allowed them to take many pictures and said alright now I must go. He even refers to this in the film. Some people are just ingrates. He says "ok leave us alone now" meaning I gave you what you want now go away. The film I saw didn't have "Stupid Famous People" plastered on the front of it.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 7, 2013 12:04:10 GMT -5
[Yes there is another version of this film that is much longer where you see Paul stopping and being polite and letting them take pictures. That is why Paul got angry. He allowed them to take many pictures and said alright now I must go. He even refers to this in the film. Some people are just ingrates. He says "ok leave us alone now" meaning I gave you what you want now go away. The film I saw didn't have "Stupid Famous People" plastered on the front of it. It would be interesting to see this "third version" you're talking about, RTP. As far as I know there was only one other version that made the circuit, and that was actually way shorter than this one. I have mentioned it here, and am guessing it comes from the girl's camera, as it's her voice and her POV, and begins at the point where she arrives on the scene and Paul's mimicing the guy and seeing "you sound like a school kid". This version I'm talking about us the one what made the rounds the last time we discussed this incident, and which was online for awhile (it is included on a bootleg DVD-R I have which features other Macca events from 2008). No offense, RTP, but I'll have to see your version for myself.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 7, 2013 13:22:02 GMT -5
This issue fascinates me, probably because I've seen it from both sides, both as a guy who's a tremendous fan of other artists, and as a guy who achieved a bit of minor league fame in his day. (Believe it or not, I still have boxes and boxes of fan mail in my storage locker from people telling me how much they loved (and/or hated) my work, as well as more than a few telling me how much they loved (and/or hated) me as a person, which can be a little unsettling, believe me).
Even nowadays, in semi-retirement, just a couple months ago I got an email from some guy telling me how much one of my books meant to him, how it saved him from committing suicide, and that he was coming to Berkeley to track me down so he could meet me. Of course part of me was flattered. As an artist you want to produce work that is meaningful to other people. Another part of me, it scared the shit out of me. How would YOU feel if some potentially suicidal stranger who you don't even know suddenly showed up on your doorstep urgently wanting to talk to you??? I spent two weeks dodging the guy until he finally left town (I'm a coward at heart).
And I disagree with the premise that it "comes with the territory." You're buying a product not a person. If a chef cooks a hamburger that I like do I have a right to track him down to his home and demand his attention? Why would the commercial arts be any different?
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 7, 2013 13:34:37 GMT -5
And I disagree with the premise that it "comes with the territory." You're buying a product not a person. If a chef cooks a hamburger that I like do I have a right to track him down to his home and demand his attention? Why would the commercial arts be any different? Because it's A CELEBRITY. Larger Than Life, in many peoples' eyes. When I say "it comes with the territory", I only mean that it's kind of "understood that this is what happens" when a person is famous. I'm not saying it's "right" in some kind of "moral sense", but more that it's just the way the ball bounces when it comes to celebrity -- always has been, always will be. In the case of a person who WANTED to be rich and famous (and Paul fits that category) he got what he wanted, and knew it would happen. And also he is one of the richest people on Earth, which should help dull the edges a little for his trouble. Every job out there has its drawbacks and annoyances, both ON and OFF the clock .... only very few pay that much.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 7, 2013 13:42:53 GMT -5
me). Even nowadays, in semi-retirement, just a couple months ago I got an email from some guy telling me how much one of my books meant to him, how it saved him from committing suicide, and that he was coming to Berkeley to track me down so he could meet me. Of course part of me was flattered. As an artist you want to produce work that is meaningful to other people. Another part of me, it scared the shit out of me. How would YOU feel if some potentially suicidal stranger who you don't even know suddenly showed up on your doorstep urgently wanting to talk to you??? I spent two weeks dodging the guy until he finally left town (I'm a coward at heart). Damn-it Ace, I just wanted to buy you a beer and say thanks.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 7, 2013 14:09:49 GMT -5
Ha ha. If I'd a known it was a Beatles fan that was after me, I would've REALLY went into hiding!
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 7, 2013 17:24:31 GMT -5
I generally agree with the points you make Joe. Its a King Midas thing in a way. These celebrities start out wanting attention then they get overwhelmed by it. Watching the Mccartney video i couldnt help thinking of the beginning of Hard Days Night where the Beatles are being chased by all the girl fans and the Beatles are all smiling and laughing like its good clean fun (so long as they dont get ripped to shreds). I guess its not quite as much fun 50 years later.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 7, 2013 17:34:53 GMT -5
PS. It might seem weird that a homeless street person like myself feels so much sympathy (and pity even) (hello Phil Spector) for all these rich pampered celebrities. Maybe it because i value my privacy way more than money.
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