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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jun 29, 2013 14:06:46 GMT -5
Just listened to this for the first time. If you like her stuff, you'll love this one. It's here.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 29, 2013 14:28:01 GMT -5
The lyrics didn't match up.
Unless I hear something a little less electro, I'm skipping this one.
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Post by sayne on Jun 29, 2013 17:38:59 GMT -5
I wonder if the Fireman would ever collaborate with Yoko. If you take out the egos, it would work. Maybe with a TRULY independent producer like Phillip Glass or Steve Reich.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 29, 2013 18:43:03 GMT -5
I wonder if the Fireman would ever collaborate with Yoko. If you take out the egos, it would work. Maybe with a TRULY independent producer like Phillip Glass or Steve Reich. John will rise from the dead before Macca collaborates with Yoko....
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Post by sayne on Jun 29, 2013 19:13:16 GMT -5
I wonder if the Fireman would ever collaborate with Yoko. If you take out the egos, it would work. Maybe with a TRULY independent producer like Phillip Glass or Steve Reich. John will rise from the dead before Macca collaborates with Yoko.... Well, there is this:
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Post by Snookeroo on Jun 29, 2013 23:02:41 GMT -5
The style of the music isn't really for me. But I give her credit for sticking to her "sound", and being able to "bring it" still at 80. God bless her.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 30, 2013 1:00:21 GMT -5
What can i say. I'm not a Yoko fan. Never will be. I find her a fascinating and repulsive human being. Cover art with top hat and mime gesture fails to win me over at this late date. Good night and god bless.
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Post by acebackwords on Jun 30, 2013 1:02:47 GMT -5
PS. If Yoko is hip then call me a square. Ill even throw away my shades.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jun 30, 2013 5:25:59 GMT -5
Just because it's noise, doesn't mean it's art.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 30, 2013 6:49:43 GMT -5
Just because it's noise, doesn't mean it's art. Yeah, it does. This does not pertain only to Yoko -- this is a sore spot with me for any kind of art by any artist in any medium that is not "traditional". Any time a painting, a drawing, a song, a sculpture, etc., does not conform to a person's rigid conception of what art is "supposed to be", they then say "that's not art". For example, a person looks at a canvas and sees a painting of a pretty house with a white picket fence and a clear blue sky, and they say "this is art". Then they look over at another canvas by an artist who wished to convey, say, a feeling of "intense loneliness", and so they painted a tiny black dot... then this same person says "this is not art". Of course it's all art. Art is the expression of an idea, a feeling... and an individual places his/her own personality to it.
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Post by mikev on Jun 30, 2013 8:01:20 GMT -5
Just because it's noise, doesn't mean it's art. Yeah, it does. This does not pertain only to Yoko -- this is a sore spot with me for any kind of art by any artist in any medium that is not "traditional". Any time a painting, a drawing, a song, a sculpture, etc., does not conform to a person's rigid conception of what art is "supposed to be", they then say "that's not art". For example, a person looks at a canvas and sees a painting of a pretty house with a white picket fence and a clear blue sky, and they say "this is art". Then they look over at another canvas by an artist who wished to convey, say, a feeling of "intense loneliness", and so they painted a tiny black dot... then this same person says "this is not art". Of course it's all art. Art is the expression of an idea, a feeling... and an individual places his/her own personality to it. Yes Joe that is true, but some art and music is still just crap. As a cartoonist, I did a series of single panel cartoons for two of my "talented" artist friends' shows. They loved my stuff, which consisted on making fun of the pretentious side of the art world. I think "effort" plays a big role to real artists. Splashing different color paint on a canvas and titling it "kaos" is arguably crap. Yelling into a mic for 10 minutes is arguably crap. All that being said, I have not listened to Moonbeam.
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Post by mikev on Jun 30, 2013 8:06:00 GMT -5
Okay, I listened...sounds like an outtake from McCartney II . If had a video camera to cath my dogs' reaction...it was priceless
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 30, 2013 8:09:15 GMT -5
The lyrics didn't match up. Unless I hear something a little less electro, I'm skipping this one. I meant to say "techno". I knew "electro" sounded funny.
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Post by sayne on Jun 30, 2013 10:52:55 GMT -5
Just because it's noise, doesn't mean it's art. . . . and it doesn't mean it's not.
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Post by sayne on Jun 30, 2013 10:55:45 GMT -5
Just because it's noise, doesn't mean it's art. Yeah, it does. This does not pertain only to Yoko -- this is a sore spot with me for any kind of art by any artist in any medium that is not "traditional". Any time a painting, a drawing, a song, a sculpture, etc., does not conform to a person's rigid conception of what art is "supposed to be", they then say "that's not art". For example, a person looks at a canvas and sees a painting of a pretty house with a white picket fence and a clear blue sky, and they say "this is art". Then they look over at another canvas by an artist who wished to convey, say, a feeling of "intense loneliness", and so they painted a tiny black dot... then this same person says "this is not art". Of course it's all art. Art is the expression of an idea, a feeling... and an individual places his/her own personality to it. Oh, my gosh, JoeK! No offense, but I NEVER would have expected you to write something like this. I guess I've finally brought you over to my side.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 30, 2013 14:17:01 GMT -5
Oh, my gosh, JoeK! No offense, but I NEVER would have expected you to write something like this. I guess I've finally brought you over to my side. Fabulous! But you see, sayne, there are all sorts of things like this which I truly feel and believe, yet somehow I give off a different impression. It's like me not liking cRap and saying "that's not music". For me to say that would not be correct; yes, it's "music" (I guess but IMO it's just not "good music". It's the same principal when someone says "That is not art", if an avant garde artist throws paint at a canvas or spits water colors onto it. Yes, it is still "art".
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jun 30, 2013 14:21:27 GMT -5
Yes Joe that is true, but some art and music is still just crap. But that too is entirely subjective, a matter of personal opinion, not a fact. I would not agree. It can be, but that is all open to personal opinion. You have to consider what the definition of "art" is -- is it "painstakingly making an effort to present something", or is it more an expression someone wishes to convey, by whatever means? Neither have I!
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Post by sayne on Jun 30, 2013 21:24:54 GMT -5
. . . You have to consider what the definition of "art" is -- is it "painstakingly making an effort to present something", or is it more an expression someone wishes to convey, by whatever means? Neither have I! I remember seeing an interview with David Lee Roth back in the early days of MTV. He humorously said that Van Halen music was art - finger painting (laughing) - but still art. I always appreciated Leonard Bernstein. He said music was music. There was bad Beethoven and good Beethoven, good Beatles and bad Beatles. He would have never thought that classical with better than rock or jazz was better than country.
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Post by sayne on Jun 30, 2013 21:27:33 GMT -5
Oh, my gosh, JoeK! No offense, but I NEVER would have expected you to write something like this. I guess I've finally brought you over to my side. Fabulous! But you see, sayne, there are all sorts of things like this which I truly feel and believe, yet somehow I give off a different impression. Now that I've taken that off the list, I need to work on you and vegetarianism.
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 30, 2013 22:01:39 GMT -5
Fabulous! But you see, sayne, there are all sorts of things like this which I truly feel and believe, yet somehow I give off a different impression. How that I've taken that off the list, I need to work on you and vegetarianism. Meat Free Monday is my fun day.
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Post by lowbasso on Jun 30, 2013 22:09:55 GMT -5
John will rise from the dead before Macca collaborates with Yoko.... Well, there is this: Paul has that on his IPOD and plays it everyday in his car on the way to his office....
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Post by debjorgo on Jun 30, 2013 22:14:29 GMT -5
Paul has that on his IPOD and plays it everyday in his car on the way to his office.... I'm trying to get it for my ringtone.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jun 30, 2013 23:11:39 GMT -5
I didn't mind the track but those ass sucking comments that popped up during the song from those pretentious "fans" sure pissed me off! If I see "delightful" or "wonderful" or "innovative" one more time I am going "Hiroshima Sky" and nuke somebody! So Yoko was married a third time? "Moonbeams spreading their wings Shining my rings I got from my three husbands Who all made me housebound." LOL, not exactly a ringing endorsement of John(or Tony and presumably Sam). You know, there is a thin line between art and bullshit and Yoko knows how to walk that tightrope.
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Post by vectisfabber on Jul 1, 2013 5:58:50 GMT -5
The John Lennon definition of Art no 2 (No 1 was "avant garde a clue") - "It's art because I say it's art."
Fair enough. Doesn't mean it's good art, though.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 1, 2013 8:31:08 GMT -5
The John Lennon definition of Art no 2 (No 1 was "avant garde a clue") - "It's art because I say it's art." Fair enough. Doesn't mean it's good art, though. As long as you know it's still art. And "good or bad art" is still completely a matter or personal opinion.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 1, 2013 8:34:50 GMT -5
those ass sucking comments that popped up during the song from those pretentious "fans" sure pissed me off! If I see "delightful" or "wonderful" or "innovative" one more time I am going "Hiroshima Sky" and nuke somebody! Why, you don't think it's about time Yoko got some cheers instead of the more typical and tired jeers? I don't believe Yoko ever remarried.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 1, 2013 8:39:49 GMT -5
Now that I've taken that off the list, I need to work on you and vegetarianism. Never will happen. Meat is a very important source of protein and we were given incisors because we were intended to feast on animals.
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Post by mikev on Jul 1, 2013 9:16:19 GMT -5
The John Lennon definition of Art no 2 (No 1 was "avant garde a clue") - "It's art because I say it's art." Fair enough. Doesn't mean it's good art, though. As long as you know it's still art. And "good or bad art" is still completely a matter or personal opinion. Is that why "bad" art is so prominent in art galleries and museums, and "bad" music gets so much radio airplay, sales and grammies. Wait, that's not the intended sarcasm...it's true.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 1, 2013 10:13:26 GMT -5
Why, you don't think it's about time Yoko got some cheers instead of the more typical and tired jeers? No, but those comments were so up her butt! They were pretentious by snobby people who probably order dinner for their spouses or significant others without asking first! Normal cheers fine, snooty fakey cheers save for your rich art galleries. I wonder why her lyrics say she was?
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Post by sayne on Jul 1, 2013 14:01:10 GMT -5
The John Lennon definition of Art . . . . No 1 was "avant garde a clue" . . . I always thought that was a George definition.
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