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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 28, 2013 7:44:16 GMT -5
I had a great time with my nephew at the Jones Beach Theater last night! It was the perfect weather for a Summer night's outdoor concert, too. We went to see Bob Dylan, the last of four acts in a nearly 6-hour show. Now, I had only seen Dylan one other time way back in 1989 where I was very disappointed... I was not disappointed this time! I knew most of the songs, and I was amazed at how "into" the show Dylan appeared to be. We were sitting dead center, but in the middle of the arena - not too close, not too far. This was a complete night and day difference from the first time I saw Dylan ... back then I only recall Bob alone on guitar (not that there's anything wrong with that), but this time he had a full band with him and they were really great! Does Dylan often stand at the piano and wail away on it? I was really impressed by that. I even appreciated all the various different arrangements of the songs, especially "She Belongs To Me".
We got there at the beginning so we saw all the acts. I thought they were all pretty good: Ryan Bingham, Beck, and Wilco. Now, perhaps the most amazing moment of the entire evening for us came when Wilco introduced their Special Guest at the end of their set, just before Dylan came on --- SEAN LENNON !! Can you believe that? My nephew and I couldn't! ... Sean joined both Wilco and Beck in singing two John Lennon classics, 'Yer Blues" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". I really felt like John Lennon was shining on the festivities as I stood in amazement, wearing my Beatles tee shirt which featured the album cover of the 'Hey Jude' Album!
Even my nephew kept saying he had goosebumps at the surprise of seeing Sean Lennon there. I really felt the magic of it, and all during Sean's performance I couldn't help note that he was close to turning 38 this year -- only a scant 2 years younger than his father John was when he was taken from us... it seemed surreal.
Well, I can now say that Sean gave me a different perspective on the proposition which MikeV initiated, having Sean and/or Julian carry the torch for John and possibly do some of his unfinished songs. Seeing is believing.
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Post by sayne on Jul 28, 2013 12:02:34 GMT -5
I had a great time with my nephew at the Jones Beach Theater last night! It was the perfect weather for a Summer night's outdoor concert, too. We went to see Bob Dylan, the last of four acts in a nearly 6-hour show. Now, I had only seen Dylan one other time way back in 1989 where I was very disappointed... I was not disappointed this time! I knew most of the songs, and I was amazed at how "into" the show Dylan appeared to be. We were sitting dead center, but in the middle of the arena - not too close, not too far. This was a complete night and day difference from the first time I saw Dylan ... back then I only recall Bob alone on guitar (not that there's anything wrong with that), but this time he had a full band with him and they were really great! Does Dylan often stand at the piano and wail away on it? I was really impressed by that. I even appreciated all the various different arrangements of the songs, especially "She Belongs To Me". We got there at the beginning so we saw all the acts. I thought they were all pretty good: Ryan Bingham, Beck, and Wilco. Now, perhaps the most amazing moment of the entire evening for us came when Wilco introduced their Special Guest at the end of their set, just before Dylan came on - -- SEAN LENNON !! Can you believe that? My nephew and I couldn't! ... Sean joined both Wilco and Beck in singing two John Lennon classics, 'Yer Blues" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". I really felt like John Lennon was shining on the festivities as I stood in amazement, wearing my Beatles tee shirt which featured the album cover of the 'Hey Jude' Album! Even my nephew kept saying he had goosebumps at the surprise of seeing Sean Lennon there. I really felt the magic of it, and all during Sean's performance I couldn't help note that he was close to turning 38 this year -- only a scant 2 years younger than his father John was when he was taken from us... it seemed surreal. Well, I can now say that Sean gave me a different perspective on the proposition which MikeV initiated, having Sean and/or Julian carry the torch for John and possibly do some of his unfinished songs. Seeing is believing. Where is OUR Joe Karlosi!? This was not written by the Joe we know. Alien abduction? CIA brainwashing? William Campbell? Bring our Joe back!!!!! Glad you had a good time. Yeah, that is a really good bill. Just Beck and Wilco would have been enough. Many are put off by the spector of an aloof Dylan who changes melodies, croaks, doesn't address the crowd, so they never consider seeing him. Glad you took the chance and discovered something good. Now, all we need to do is sneak a veggie burger or hot dog into you.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 28, 2013 13:25:19 GMT -5
Great post Joe! Glad you and your nephew had a great musical day. Sean Lennon, doing his best Bono imitation, "This is a song Paul McCartney reclaimed from my father, I'm reclaiming it back!" and Sean rips into a totally psychedelic, cool "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!" I saw Dylan, among other times, on his 1988 "Never-Ending Tour" and the show I saw was at the Main Grandstand Indiana State Fairgrounds on July 15, 1988: 1. Subterranean Homesick Blues 2. Just Like A Woman 3. John Brown 4. Masters Of War 5. Tangled Up In Blue 6. Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again 7. It Ain't Me, Babe 8. Trail Of The Buffalo (trad. arr. Woody Guthrie) 9. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right 10. I Shall Be Released 11. Silvio (Bob Dylan & Robert Hunter) 12. Like A Rolling Stone Encore 13. The Times They Are A-Changin' 14. All Along The Watchtower That was a great concert although Bob flew through the setlist like firing a machine gun. Here's a great site to find info out on Dylan setlists through the years! www.boblinks.com/pre1995s.html
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Post by debjorgo on Jul 28, 2013 13:42:15 GMT -5
... I even appreciated all the various different arrangements of the songs, especially "She Belongs To Me". .... I was designated driver last night. She Belongs to Me by Rick Nelson came up on my I-pod and I was quizzing my friend who is about ten years younger than me, if he knew who it was. I said it was a top forty hit in the seventies. I said that the performer had a slew of hits in the fifties. His biggest hit though probably came after this. My friend said he gave up. I said his parents were Ozzie and Harriet. He said he still was not going to be able to pull the name out. I gave him Garden Party. He did not get it. That puts things in perspective. ... We got there at the beginning so we saw all the acts. I thought they were all pretty good: Ryan Bingham, Beck, and Wilco. Now, perhaps the most amazing moment of the entire evening for us came when Wilco introduced their Special Guest at the end of their set, just before Dylan came on - -- SEAN LENNON !! Can you believe that? My nephew and I couldn't! ... Sean joined both Wilco and Beck in singing two John Lennon classics, 'Yer Blues" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". ... That would have been great. I'm not familiar with any of Wilco's songs but I love Beck. I can't imagine Sean belting out Yer Blues and doing it justice. Did he take a turn?
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Post by mikev on Jul 28, 2013 14:29:49 GMT -5
... I even appreciated all the various different arrangements of the songs, especially "She Belongs To Me". .... I was designated driver last night. She Belongs to Me by Rick Nelson came up on my I-pod and I was quizzing my friend who is about ten years younger than me, if he knew who it was. I said it was a top forty hit in the seventies. I said that the performer had a slew of hits in the fifties. His biggest hit though probably came after this. My friend said he gave up. I said his parents were Ozzie and Harriet. He said he still was not going to be able to pull the name out. I gave him Garden Party. He did not get it. That puts things in perspective. ... We got there at the beginning so we saw all the acts. I thought they were all pretty good: Ryan Bingham, Beck, and Wilco. Now, perhaps the most amazing moment of the entire evening for us came when Wilco introduced their Special Guest at the end of their set, just before Dylan came on - -- SEAN LENNON !! Can you believe that? My nephew and I couldn't! ... Sean joined both Wilco and Beck in singing two John Lennon classics, 'Yer Blues" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". ... That would have been great. I'm not familiar with any of Wilco's songs but I love Beck. I can't imagine Sean belting out Yer Blues and doing it justice. Did he take a turn? Sean has previously performed Yer Blues with Yoko and Eric Clapton as the Plastic Ono Band. It is on youtube- no time to post it maybe later. IMO it's not bad. Not bad at all (cept when Yoko does her thang...her mic misfunctioned!!!) Thanks Joe...I always said BOTH Lennon boys have talent. The truth is that all of the off spring that are into music are pretty good. They will NEVER live up to their dads' legacies, except maybe for Zak in some ways-the Who and Oasis are pretty good resume material...
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 28, 2013 14:33:17 GMT -5
Where is OUR Joe Karlosi!? This was not written by the Joe we know. Alien abduction? CIA brainwashing? William Campbell? Bring our Joe back!!!!! I know you're having fun, sayne, but I do wish to cheerfully remind people that this has always been me. I don't mind considering something from a different angle, or changing my mind (a la Lennon ) and re-thinking some things. And if I DO, I have no silly pride blocking me from coming forward and admitting it, maybe eating some crow along the way. (But I stand firm thus far when it comes to the "current events" you and I have recently discussed!). The veggie thing will not happen, though my nephew last night did tell me he has been trying to go Veggie. He said it was for health reasons (more than ethical ones) but I told him that probably fowl like chicken and turkey were preferable to beef and pork. Anyway -- the thing about the Dylan show is, I knew by now what the deal was. So I was prepared for it. Had I gone there expecting all Dylan's biggest '60s hits and sung perfectly and clearly, not ever realizing his stage persona, I WOULD have been crushed! But the thing about changing the "recorded" arrangements of songs, I chould clarify, is that I have enjoyed SOME of the alterations by any artist --- I don't just immediately despise them on a principal or something. However, I tend not to like most re-arrangements, I'd guess. I still was a little impatient for Dylan while watching those other acts, but they were basically my type of music and not offensive or off-putting. Get a load of this -- my nephew is friends with a girl who works at Jones Beach and she nearly got us backstage -- almost.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 28, 2013 14:51:03 GMT -5
Thanks Joe...I always said BOTH Lennon boys have talent. The truth is that all of the off spring that are into music are pretty good. They will NEVER live up to their dads' legacies, except maybe for Zak in some ways-the Who and Oasis are pretty good resume material... Thank YOU, Mike. I haven't been feeling at all good about my disagreeing with you in the thread where you suggested resurrecting some unfinished Lennon songs, and especially how i reacted at first. But last night made a believer out of me. I was blown away seeing Sean Lennon on that stage doing dad's songs. For maybe 15 or 20 minutes i was able to ask myself: "Paul WHO???"
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Post by mikev on Jul 28, 2013 15:29:59 GMT -5
Thanks Joe...I always said BOTH Lennon boys have talent. The truth is that all of the off spring that are into music are pretty good. They will NEVER live up to their dads' legacies, except maybe for Zak in some ways-the Who and Oasis are pretty good resume material... Thank YOU, Mike. I haven't been feeling at all good about my disagreeing with you in the thread where you suggested resurrecting some unfinished Lennon songs, and especially how i reacted at first. But last night made a believer out of me. I was blown away seeing Sean Lennon on that stage doing dad's songs. For maybe 15 or 20 minutes i was able to ask myself: "Paul WHO???" I was blown away by an earlier version of Sean playing a jumbo Gibson acoustic performing Julia. Except for the awkward transition from verse to chorus, where John had the benefitt of a multi-track- he (Sean) nailed it. Again, even born with a silver spoon...it still takes great discipline to perform, especially when expectations are so high. Not to go off too much, but the three younger Beatle sons recording together with perhaps Zak and Julian as mentors as well as performers (in a studio) one only wonders what they would come up with. But such an act would have too high of expectations, when in fact assembling them would resemble the Monkees more than the Beatles
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jul 28, 2013 15:50:30 GMT -5
I haven't really listened to much of Sean to determine if I think he's especially talented. I enjoyed him at the concert last night just for the sheer novelty of it. The overall effect sounded good, but you also had Wilco and Beck playing and singing along. I never felt Sean's voice was well-suited for rock music, but I don't want to complain - it all sounded fine.
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Post by markc on Jul 30, 2013 11:47:35 GMT -5
What a great experience. Those kind of surprises only happen in New York or London or LA. Except of course, when George sits in with Deep Purple in Australia.
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Post by mikev on Jul 30, 2013 12:05:48 GMT -5
What a great experience. Those kind of surprises only happen in New York or London or LA. Except of course, when George sits in with Deep Purple in Australia. I was at a John Lee Hooker blues tribute (he was still alive)at MSG...and HUEY LEWIS showed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only in NYC....needless to say...he got more boos than cheers. At the Beacon, John Mellancamp came on to play a song with Living Color...another "mismatch". But at least I do like Mellancamp-just not with a hard rock/funk band. At BB Kings Davy Jones tribute...it was Deanna Martin!!!!!!! sorry Fred, she's not on my ipod-though her pop sure is!!!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jul 30, 2013 13:39:50 GMT -5
What a great experience. Those kind of surprises only happen in New York or London or LA. Except of course, when George sits in with Deep Purple in Australia. Or Seattle as those Macca fans got Sirvana! Yeah we get squat in Indiana. When my wife and I saw Ringo at some casino in Hammond, Indiana a few years ago, I quipped to her that we sure weren't going to get any special guests in that decadent house of sin! I wasn't wrong. I guess John Mellencamp is always a possibility here in Indiana to come on stage for the right act. Ringo and Paul could be in Indianapolis on the same day while one of them has a concert here and let's add it is also one of their birthdays but they would still not hook-up because this is Indy! Nap-Town! Hey, it could be worse, we could be San Diego(ducking from sayne's thrown projectile). We at least get Paul and Ringo here from time to time.
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Post by lowbasso on Aug 6, 2013 22:38:40 GMT -5
Joe, I gather Bob Dylan didn't sing his new tribute song to John Lennon off his recent album "Tempest"; "Role On John" at this concert? Would have been chilling to have heard Sean join him on this ballad.
I would like to see Paul do a cover of this new song on his concert(s). Would go a long way toward repairing his image on this board towards his former partner.
Another cover version of this song I would love to hear done at some point; A Bruce Springsteen version.
Dylan's voice is so shot now it is hard to understand him in it, but the lyrics are in a classic Dylan style, and the song is a beautiful tribute to John.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Aug 7, 2013 5:54:38 GMT -5
Joe, I gather Bob Dylan didn't sing his new tribute song to John Lennon off his recent album "Tempest"; "Role On John" at this concert? Would have been chilling to have heard Sean join him on this ballad. I would like to see Paul do a cover of this new song on his concert(s). Would go a long way toward repairing his image on this board towards his former partner. Another cover version of this song I would love to hear done at some point; A Bruce Springsteen version. Dylan's voice is so shot now it is hard to understand him in it, but the lyrics are in a classic Dylan style, and the song is a beautiful tribute to John. No, Dylan didn't do that song. Sorry to disagree with you on two counts, though -- first, I don't really care for the song; I think its lyrics are hackneyed and lazily consist of Bob mainly name-checking typical Beatles and Lennon lyrics, though the main "roll on John" chorus is emotional. Also, I don't care for Springsteen, so I wouldn't really want to hear him do a cover.
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Post by lowbasso on Aug 7, 2013 11:45:41 GMT -5
Joe, I gather Bob Dylan didn't sing his new tribute song to John Lennon off his recent album "Tempest"; "Role On John" at this concert? Would have been chilling to have heard Sean join him on this ballad. I would like to see Paul do a cover of this new song on his concert(s). Would go a long way toward repairing his image on this board towards his former partner. Another cover version of this song I would love to hear done at some point; A Bruce Springsteen version. Dylan's voice is so shot now it is hard to understand him in it, but the lyrics are in a classic Dylan style, and the song is a beautiful tribute to John. No, Dylan didn't do that song. Sorry to disagree with you on two counts, though -- first, I don't really care for the song; I think its lyrics are hackneyed and lazily consist of Bob mainly name-checking typical Beatles and Lennon lyrics, though the main "roll on John" chorus is emotional. Also, I don't care for Springsteen, so I wouldn't really want to hear him do a cover. I don't know. I think the song has possibilities that another artist covering it might really make something of it. It's like Tamborine Man. Look what The Byrds did with that Dylan song. Some of Dylan's creations take on a new color when covered. His voice now is just....I can't tell who sings worse; Bob or Joe Cocker..... There is an article about Roll On John in the latest Beatlefan Magazine.
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Post by heysaboda on Aug 7, 2013 14:24:45 GMT -5
I had a great time with my nephew at the Jones Beach Theater last night! It was the perfect weather for a Summer night's outdoor concert, too. We went to see Bob Dylan, the last of four acts in a nearly 6-hour show. Now, I had only seen Dylan one other time way back in 1989 where I was very disappointed... I was not disappointed this time! I knew most of the songs, and I was amazed at how "into" the show Dylan appeared to be. We were sitting dead center, but in the middle of the arena - not too close, not too far. This was a complete night and day difference from the first time I saw Dylan ... back then I only recall Bob alone on guitar (not that there's anything wrong with that), but this time he had a full band with him and they were really great! Does Dylan often stand at the piano and wail away on it? I was really impressed by that. I even appreciated all the various different arrangements of the songs, especially "She Belongs To Me". We got there at the beginning so we saw all the acts. I thought they were all pretty good: Ryan Bingham, Beck, and Wilco. Now, perhaps the most amazing moment of the entire evening for us came when Wilco introduced their Special Guest at the end of their set, just before Dylan came on - -- SEAN LENNON !! Can you believe that? My nephew and I couldn't! ... Sean joined both Wilco and Beck in singing two John Lennon classics, 'Yer Blues" and "Tomorrow Never Knows". I really felt like John Lennon was shining on the festivities as I stood in amazement, wearing my Beatles tee shirt which featured the album cover of the 'Hey Jude' Album! Even my nephew kept saying he had goosebumps at the surprise of seeing Sean Lennon there. I really felt the magic of it, and all during Sean's performance I couldn't help note that he was close to turning 38 this year -- only a scant 2 years younger than his father John was when he was taken from us... it seemed surreal. Well, I can now say that Sean gave me a different perspective on the proposition which MikeV initiated, having Sean and/or Julian carry the torch for John and possibly do some of his unfinished songs. Seeing is believing. WOW!!! Very cool Joe!
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 7, 2013 17:17:33 GMT -5
No, Dylan didn't do that song. Sorry to disagree with you on two counts, though -- first, I don't really care for the song; I think its lyrics are hackneyed and lazily consist of Bob mainly name-checking typical Beatles and Lennon lyrics, though the main "roll on John" chorus is emotional. Also, I don't care for Springsteen, so I wouldn't really want to hear him do a cover. I don't know. I think the song has possibilities that another artist covering it might really make something of it. It's like Tamborine Man. Look what The Byrds did with that Dylan song. Some of Dylan's creations take on a new color when covered. His voice now is just....I can't tell who sings worse; Bob or Joe Cocker..... There is an article about Roll On John in the latest Beatlefan Magazine. I don't think I like any of the Byrds' versions of Dylan songs better than I like Dylan's versions. I'm not that big of a fan of pretty vocals pop songs. Dylan's version of Tamborine Man, and My Back Pages (and what else did the Byrds do of Dylan's?) are masterpieces, really great songs/recordings. I'll let someone else handle the Joe Cocker part of the comment.
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 7, 2013 20:48:15 GMT -5
"Turn Turn Turn." I prefer the Byrds versions. But then i prefer pretty vocal pop. Which "Watchtower" do you prefer?
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 7, 2013 20:56:49 GMT -5
"Turn Turn Turn." I prefer the Byrds versions. But then i prefer pretty vocal pop. Which "Watchtower" do you prefer? Dylan's. Jimi's seems overrated to me. I might prefer his Daytripper though. I certainly do, just listening. A more critical listen would give it to the Beatles, but I'm fairly burnt out on their version. By golly, I'm not sure I've even heard Dylan's version of Turn, Turn, Turn. With all the Dylan I have, I don't have that one.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 8, 2013 4:01:07 GMT -5
Isn't that a Psalm?
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 8, 2013 13:57:36 GMT -5
I was just trying to say that "Turn Turn Turn" is the kind of "pretty vocal pop" that I like. But my cellphone keyboard mangled the message.
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 8, 2013 15:04:38 GMT -5
"Turn Turn Turn" was from Ecclesiastes 3:1. You'd think as a ministers son I would know that but I had to Google it. I also didnt know it was written by Pete Seeger. But he stiffed God on the co-writing credits. Even McCartney wouldnt go that far.
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Post by vectisfabber on Aug 8, 2013 17:32:42 GMT -5
I now have a mental picture of God, Pete Seeger, and McCartney, sitting round the table:
"How about Rotate, Rotate, Rotate?"
"You know, Paul, sometimes your lyrics are really shit."
"HOW ABOUT FLIP, FLIP, FLIP?"
"And You're no better, God. I'll be damned if I'm going to give credit to either of you."
"YES, YOU WILL BE."
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 8, 2013 17:41:12 GMT -5
Ha ha. Paul would probably back down eventually. But only if the song is credited to "McCartney and God." In that order.
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 10, 2013 1:02:00 GMT -5
Manfred Mans version of "Mighty Quin" was one of my favorite songs when i was a little kid. I didnt know it was a Dylan song until 20 years later.
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Post by acebackwords on Aug 10, 2013 1:06:05 GMT -5
But for some reason i HATE the two cover versions Manfred Man does of Bruce Springsteen songs. Every time they come on the radio i cant change the channel fast enough.
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Post by debjorgo on Aug 10, 2013 9:53:07 GMT -5
But for some reason i HATE the two cover versions Manfred Man does of Bruce Springsteen songs. Every time they come on the radio i cant change the channel fast enough. Spirits in the Night is much better but it's Blinded By the Light that get's played to death. Funny, these two songs are two of the about 5 songs I like by Bruce. His versions are much better.
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