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Post by debjorgo on Jan 28, 2014 20:07:19 GMT -5
I don't know, but the Capitol Albums' box set version of the stereo I Saw Her Standing There still sounds the best to me.
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Jan 28, 2014 22:08:52 GMT -5
I saw this posted by Steve Shorten on the Facebook page called "Apple Records"--which I recommend to those here that are on Facebook--and thought it might be of some interest to those here that have either bought the box set or are thinking about it: I think the group will appreciate this information on the new "US Albums" boxed set.
An analysis of the iTunes LP manifest included with the new "US Albums" boxed set shows exactly which recordings on the set have been completely remastered and which were sourced (from which sources) from the 2009 mono and stereo sets. Rather than needing to rely on auditory judgments, this method relies on unique identifiers (XID codes) used by Apple (the computer company) for each master they sell.
Intriguingly, an examination of the XID codes also shows that Apple has assigned XID codes to the tracks from the 2009 boxed set "The Beatles in Mono" which has yet to be released via iTunes.
Mono masters unique to the new set include Long Tall Sally, I Call Your Name, I'll Cry Instead, And I Love Her, Any Time at All, When I Get Home, a SECOND mono version of And I Love Her, I'll Be Back, She's A Woman, I Feel Fine, Help!, Michelle, I'm Only Sleeping, Dr. Robert and And Your Bird Can Sing.
Stereo masters unique to the new set: If I Fell, Help!, The Word, I'm Looking Through You, We Can Work it Out and Day Tripper.
All stereo tracks originally appearing on the UK Help! and Rubber Soul albums use the 2009 remasters of George Martin's 1987 remixes EXCEPT for I've Just Seen a Face and It's Only Love which utilize the 2009 remasters of the original 1965 mixes which appeared as bonus material on the mono Help! CD.
All alternate mono mixes that originally appeared on the US LPs ARE included in the new set.
Alternate stereo mixes that originally appeared on the US LPs but are NOT included in the new set include: Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand and I Call Your Name. In addition, stereo mixes that appeared on the 1969 Longines (Capitol Record Club) pressing and all tape issues of "Yesterday and Today" (and later Capitol pressings of the LP starting around 1978) which are NOT included in the new set: I'm Only Sleeping, Dr. Robert, And Your Bird Can Sing.
The two mixes of And I Love Her (mono) found on the new set seem to be identical, but the version contained on the soundtrack LP runs at a slower speed. The new masters in mono and stereo of Help! include the James Bond Theme intro but do not represent alternate mixes of the song (the stereo version seems to utilize the 1987 remix; this needs to be confirmed).Steve didn't say where he got the information--I don't know if this is his research or if he is passing it on without attribution--but I know he is a knowledgeable fan and writer on things regarding the Beatles. When I wrote a few articles for The 910 back in the '90's, he was associated with that magazine; I don't know if he still is today. JcS Joey, I don't believe he's working with the 910 any more. Don't know why not.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2014 14:08:12 GMT -5
The Billboard chart action, as per Mitch Axelrod's post on Facebook:
"US Albums box set debuts at #48 on Billboard Hot 200. Hey Jude #72, Yesterday & Today #74, "1" #84, A Hard Day's Night #102, Revolver #143, Rubber Soul #170, Meet The Beatles #171. I may have missed one or two."
I understand how the box would debut at this level through pre-orders; it will be interesting to see what happens next week. Best Buy had it for $159 the first week (or was it $169?), but it is now at $199. Amazon is now at $169 (and I thought it was $159 last week).
As for the others, it makes sense that the first four on the list would be those not in the Capitol boxes, although I don't know why anyone that had the UK REVOLVER would buy the US version--but it's not my money, so I don't care. RUBBER SOUL and MEET THE BEATLES also make sense, sort of. MEET THE BEATLES in connection with the ongoing 50 year anniversary deal. RUBBER SOUL has long been lauded by some as superior to the UK version, a "folk-rock" album when presented without some of the more electric numbers. Looks like there were some that wanted it that didn't want to spring for the box set from '06.
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 30, 2014 14:17:13 GMT -5
Thanks Joey for that info.
I think every one of us has a duty to help get at least one of these albums to the top of the chart, yes the much coveted #1!
Meet The Beatles makes the most sense for reasons Joey mentioned. Every Beatles fan on every Beatles Message Board and elsewhere has a duty, it seems to me, to buy MTB individually to help it get to #1!
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Post by joeyself on Jan 30, 2014 16:54:50 GMT -5
Meet The Beatles makes the most sense for reasons Joey mentioned. Every Beatles fan on every Beatles Message Board and elsewhere has a duty, it seems to me, to buy MTB individually to help it get to #1! That duty is owed to whom? Apple? The surviving Beatles and their families? Capitol? I think I will be derelict of that duty... JcS
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 30, 2014 18:47:24 GMT -5
Meet The Beatles makes the most sense for reasons Joey mentioned. Every Beatles fan on every Beatles Message Board and elsewhere has a duty, it seems to me, to buy MTB individually to help it get to #1! That duty is owed to whom? Apple? The surviving Beatles and their families? Capitol? I think I will be derelict of that duty... JcS I already bought it back in 1964. Once is enough.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 30, 2014 23:08:16 GMT -5
Well don't blame me then when The Beatles get no #1s out of this sacred anniversary.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Jan 31, 2014 5:57:59 GMT -5
If there is such a "duty", as JSD suggests, to buy MTB, it would be to help keep The Beatles' sales history high and impressive. Not for the surviving Beatles, their families, nor Apple...
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2014 7:40:11 GMT -5
Well don't blame me then when The Beatles get no #1s out of this sacred anniversary. We won't look at you... JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2014 10:35:45 GMT -5
Well don't blame me then when The Beatles get no #1s out of this sacred anniversary. We won't look at you... JcS Thank you! Caught you.....Don't look at me!
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2014 10:45:41 GMT -5
If there is such a "duty", as JSD suggests, to buy MTB, it would be to help keep The Beatles' sales history high and impressive. Not for the surviving Beatles, their families, nor Apple... That is right. The Beatles are starting to look passé with limp sales at such a key time. Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Diamond, and even Lionel Ritchie fans propel their elder heroes to the coveted Billboard 200 #1 and we Beatles fans can't! We need to re-energize, re-focus! Yes, we all have MTB in five formats(vinyl, 8-track, cassette, 2004 CD, now 2014 CD) but it is the least we can do to help The Beatles remain #1. I notice Garth Brooks is back and selling a lot of albums again. What if Mariah Carey releases an album, she is hot on our tails(or is that for singles?). Let us be the shining example for these younger Beatles fans. If we could just convince everyone in the U.S. who saw Paul live in 2013 to buy MTB next week, it would easily be #1! What is the individual CD, like $9.99? Beatles fans need to roar again, make ourselves known again, push our boys to the top again!
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Post by lowbasso on Jan 31, 2014 13:05:44 GMT -5
If there is such a "duty", as JSD suggests, to buy MTB, it would be to help keep The Beatles' sales history high and impressive. Not for the surviving Beatles, their families, nor Apple... That is right. The Beatles are starting to look passé with limp sales at such a key time. Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Diamond, and even Lionel Ritchie fans propel their elder heroes to the coveted Billboard 200 #1 and we Beatles fans can't! We need to re-energize, re-focus! Yes, we all have MTB in five formats(vinyl, 8-track, cassette, 2004 CD, now 2014 CD) but it is the least we can do to help The Beatles remain #1. I notice Garth Brooks is back and selling a lot of albums again. What if Mariah Carey releases an album, she is hot on our tails(or is that for singles?). Let us be the shining example for these younger Beatles fans. If we could just convince everyone in the U.S. who saw Paul live in 2013 to buy MTB next week, it would easily be #1! What is the individual CD, like $9.99? Beatles fans need to roar again, make ourselves known again, push our boys to the top again! It's a nice idea, but why spend more money on an album that you already have the remasters of? Just for sentimental reasons and to push the album up in sales? I' ve spent enough of my money on Beatles stuff without getting multiple copies of the same material. Let Paul spend a few million, pocket change for him , on the album if they want it to go up in the charts. Brian did the same thing back in 1962 to push "Love Me Do" up the charts.
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2014 13:25:39 GMT -5
One thing is that you would be getting a MTB that sounds different than it ever has before.
I don't like spending money either on things I have but I am going to buy an individual MTB and if I could figure Facebook out, I would try to start a movement there of other likeminded fans.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -5
One thing is that you would be getting a MTB that sounds different than it ever has before. I don't like spending money either on things I have but I am going to buy an individual MTB and if I could figure Facebook out, I would try to start a movement there of other likeminded fans. I think you should buy 50 copies at different outlets on different days, save the receipts and then take them back for refunds on different days. You'd make a real dent on the chart action that one week. That's what any dedicated fan would do for the Fabs, right? I did listen to my copy of MTB from the Capitol box this week; I don't think I'd ever bothered to play the mono versions of those albums, so I punched it forward to that part of the CD. I have sated my desire to play that record for awhile now, and I won't be buying another one. JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Jan 31, 2014 15:54:31 GMT -5
Joey, I can't tell if you are serious but that is actually a brilliant idea! Of course it would take more than me doing that but if we all bought 50 copies in one week from different stores(to return them unopened within 30 days) that would up the album on the charts and it might also create a run with legitimate buyers who want to be cool and own MTB when it appears that there is a huge demand for it!
That is about $500 bucks to advance but we'll get it back when we return MTB.
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2014 18:07:08 GMT -5
Of course it is brilliant.
And of course, I wasn't serious...
JcS
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Post by joeyself on Jan 31, 2014 18:21:32 GMT -5
Lowest price I have seen so far is $133.09 here: www.importcds.com/music/2731079/beatles-us-albumsI know nothing about this dealer, so I am not recommending it, just reporting what I saw. There is a feature to put in your email address to be notified if the price drops further. I put in $111.00. It would be hard for me to turn down that price; I could then try to sell my two Capitol Boxes to offset the price. JcS
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Post by ursamajor on Jan 31, 2014 19:49:22 GMT -5
After reading the comments here from Joeyself and all the reviews on Amazon about the new box set, the audiophiles on there who know this stuff way better than me have convinced me that the Box Set is not the actual mixes that Capitol put out and that if you really want that it's best to buy the Capitol Box Sets. So I did.
I just found a brand new still in shrink wrap Capitol Box Vol.1 for $39.00 on Ebay + $7.00 shipping so $46.00 in total, just have to find a cheap Vol.2 and that will do me. The only ones left I would be interested in getting would be A Hard Day's Night and Yesterday and Today.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 1, 2014 12:46:33 GMT -5
Ursa, there is always going to be an issue with HELP! and RUBBER SOUL as long as Apple/Capitol uses the 1987 remixes done by George Martin. You get the original stereo mixes as bonus tracks on the Mono box. There are those that don't care for the those two boxes, as they didn't like the mastering on them. I thought they sounded like what they were supposed to sound like...
I agree with your reasoning--these albums are never going to be my "Go-to" for listening to Beatles music, yet I want them in my collection once. If you buy the second set at the same price as the first, you're in for $92 for those 8. If you buy those two albums you mentioned for $14 each, you're going to be at $120 for the set you want, and won't have THE BEATLES STORY (no big loss, methinks), the truncated REVOLVER, and HEY JUDE (8/10 of which is on PAST MASTERS 2). You'll save money and have a nice set of Capitol albums.
JcS
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Post by joeyself on Feb 1, 2014 14:45:27 GMT -5
I saw this posted by Steve Shorten on the Facebook page called "Apple Records"--which I recommend to those here that are on Facebook--and thought it might be of some interest to those here that have either bought the box set or are thinking about it: ... Steve didn't say where he got the information--I don't know if this is his research or if he is passing it on without attribution--but I know he is a knowledgeable fan and writer on things regarding the Beatles. When I wrote a few articles for The 910 back in the '90's, he was associated with that magazine; I don't know if he still is today. JcS Joey, I don't believe he's working with the 910 any more. Don't know why not. I went to Doug's BB, and Steve had posted there this week. Whatever caused him not to contribute to Doug's magazine apparently didn't keep them from being friendly with each other. JcS
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Post by ursamajor on Feb 2, 2014 2:13:27 GMT -5
Ursa, there is always going to be an issue with HELP! and RUBBER SOUL as long as Apple/Capitol uses the 1987 remixes done by George Martin. You get the original stereo mixes as bonus tracks on the Mono box. There are those that don't care for the those two boxes, as they didn't like the mastering on them. I thought they sounded like what they were supposed to sound like... I agree with your reasoning--these albums are never going to be my "Go-to" for listening to Beatles music, yet I want them in my collection once. If you buy the second set at the same price as the first, you're in for $92 for those 8. If you buy those two albums you mentioned for $14 each, you're going to be at $120 for the set you want, and won't have THE BEATLES STORY (no big loss, methinks), the truncated REVOLVER, and HEY JUDE (8/10 of which is on PAST MASTERS 2). You'll save money and have a nice set of Capitol albums. JcS Thanks for that Joey it's good to know someone that knows all the minituae with all the discrepancies between the UK and US releases, being from down under and becoming a fan in the 80s I've only ever known the UK releases, it may have been different in the 60s and 70s but I have never seen a US release in our music stores. I emailed the seller about Vol.2 and he has that one as well and agreed to give it to me at the same price as Vol.1 and will send both together in the same shipment so I am a happy chappy I am excited to listen to these as many claim that the US Meet the Beatles is sonically superior to With the Beatles so I will be finding out this week !! There is one place left to go after this and that is if EMI/Apple/Capitol ever decided to remix the entire catalogue, I thought Love sounded incredible and they should really do this at some stage.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 2, 2014 10:51:25 GMT -5
I'm no expert of the sonic quality of MEET THE BEATLES vs. WITH THE BEATLES, and have learned over the years that much of that beauty is in the ears of the beholder. I will go so far as to say that even though MTB is just 12 songs long, I think Capitol actually put together a stronger package for the US than the rough equivalent of WTB. The 8 original on WTB plus 'Till There Was You' (the only mistake in the program, in my estimation, as "Money" or "Roll Over Beethoven" would have worked much better--but "the appeal to the grannies" mindset prevailed) were joined by both sides of "I Want To Hold Your Hand/This Boy" and "I Saw Here Standing There." If you look at MTB as it came out on vinyl, the first six tracks are all killer, no filler, and I think it surpasses the UK version by a slight margin.
All in all, I think you'll get a kick out of hearing these songs presented in this order a time or two.
And I'm with you on the remix; YELLOW SUBMARINE SONGTRACK convinced me that in the right hands, the best can get even better!
JcS
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Post by kc on Feb 2, 2014 23:22:53 GMT -5
BTW, the Box Set is on sale down under at $279.99, so we are getting screwed on price compared to you guys. Our dollar is 0.87 USD so it should be about $165-$170. I saw that $280 figure on the JB site. I take it with a grain of salt, as I have noticed in the past that they have later reduced their prices for this type of release when they get around to putting stock on their actual in-store shelves. Other Australian retailers are listing about $250 (Sanity and CDWow). This is still too much to my mind. In Adelaide there is a small shop I often frequent that routinely offers a better price than the major outlets. I will probably end up buying there and I am guessing for around $220-230. You were right ursamajor. I just saw this box at JB for the first time today and the thieving bastards do want $279.99 for it. I left it on the shelf. They seemed to have only one copy on display, with one example each of the individual albums. Maybe they had more in storage? I will wait for a better deal, either from the other shop I mentioned, or from JB when they have one of their sales.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 3, 2014 9:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by kc on Feb 3, 2014 18:56:38 GMT -5
Thanks for that link joeyself; it certainly offers a great price. I'm a bit reluctant to order box sets from Amazon etc. though. I do buy things online now and then, mainly books and jewel cased CDs, but often even these relatively robust items arrive damaged. A couple of times I have returned damaged goods, only for the replacements to be delivered to me in a similar state. There is a lot of handling and transportation involved in getting items delivered to the other side of the world. It seems the further these things travel the more likelihood they will be knocked, or squashed, or dropped at some point.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 3, 2014 20:31:15 GMT -5
KC, you raise a good point, but I decided to give in and buy it at that price.
JcS
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Post by Steve Marinucci on Feb 3, 2014 22:04:14 GMT -5
Thanks for that link joeyself; it certainly offers a great price. I'm a bit reluctant to order box sets from Amazon etc. though. I do buy things online now and then, mainly books and jewel cased CDs, but often even these relatively robust items arrive damaged. A couple of times I have returned damaged goods, only for the replacements to be delivered to me in a similar state. There is a lot of handling and transportation involved in getting items delivered to the other side of the world. It seems the further these things travel the more likelihood they will be knocked, or squashed, or dropped at some point. I've bought many a set from Amazon without problems. And here's a short link to the Amazon Canada page for a little easier navigation: amzn.to/1fcxxNV
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 3, 2014 22:26:21 GMT -5
I think when the plane flips upside down going to Australia, that's when the CDs all fall out loose.
Just shipping in America, there's not much problem. If anything, they use too much packaging.
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Post by lowbasso on Feb 3, 2014 23:19:38 GMT -5
Thanks for that link joeyself; it certainly offers a great price. I'm a bit reluctant to order box sets from Amazon etc. though. I do buy things online now and then, mainly books and jewel cased CDs, but often even these relatively robust items arrive damaged. A couple of times I have returned damaged goods, only for the replacements to be delivered to me in a similar state. There is a lot of handling and transportation involved in getting items delivered to the other side of the world. It seems the further these things travel the more likelihood they will be knocked, or squashed, or dropped at some point. I've bought many a set from Amazon without problems. And here's a short link to the Amazon Canada page for a little easier navigation: amzn.to/1fcxxNVThat's about USD$96 at the current conversion rate with the Canadian Dollar.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 3, 2014 23:25:17 GMT -5
I've bought many a set from Amazon without problems. And here's a short link to the Amazon Canada page for a little easier navigation: amzn.to/1fcxxNVThat's about USD$96 at the current conversion rate with the Canadian Dollar. Yep. I didn't get free shipping, but that was about 10 bucks more. Seems like the whole thing came out to be just under $110. I said Thursday that if I could get it for $111, I'd be interested. JcS
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