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Post by ursamajor on Feb 4, 2014 3:14:18 GMT -5
I saw that $280 figure on the JB site. I take it with a grain of salt, as I have noticed in the past that they have later reduced their prices for this type of release when they get around to putting stock on their actual in-store shelves. Other Australian retailers are listing about $250 (Sanity and CDWow). This is still too much to my mind. In Adelaide there is a small shop I often frequent that routinely offers a better price than the major outlets. I will probably end up buying there and I am guessing for around $220-230. You were right ursamajor. I just saw this box at JB for the first time today and the thieving bastards do want $279.99 for it. I left it on the shelf. They seemed to have only one copy on display, with one example each of the individual albums. Maybe they had more in storage? I will wait for a better deal, either from the other shop I mentioned, or from JB when they have one of their sales. If you read the reviews for the Box Set on Amazon there are over 100 1 * reviews for this Box Set mainly because they think the product is a rip-off , all you're paying for is the US track list and some nice packaging. At that price at JB, if it was the real deal I still would have held off buying as it's over the top. Also like you I don't like to buy online unless I really have no other choice. I found the Capitol Box Sets from a guy in Wollongong so that's close and I'm getting the real US versions of these songs up to Rubber Soul. I checked my local JB and the one's in the city and there is nothing yet. We will get the leftovers I think, so whatever is not sold overseas they'll send some down here so give it a month or two and I think they'll be popping up on the shelves.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 4, 2014 11:44:47 GMT -5
Ursa, I am glad that you are getting Volumes 1 & 2 as I think they are going to become in huge demand once American fans, sentimental for their past, realize this new complete Box is essentially the 2009 remasters simply put in the American format. Joey linked us to that article where many of the songs in the new Box are graded "Pass" or "Fail" as to being like the the original American vinyl versions and a lot, maybe the majority, "Fail."
Folks, don't sell your Volumes 1 & 2 yet if you were otherwise inclined. I predict a huge demand once the dust settles on this new Box.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 4, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by ursamajor on Feb 4, 2014 17:07:07 GMT -5
Ursa, I am glad that you are getting Volumes 1 & 2 as I think they are going to become in huge demand once American fans, sentimental for their past, realize this new complete Box is essentially the 2009 remasters simply put in the American format. Joey linked us to that article where many of the songs in the new Box are graded "Pass" or "Fail" as to being like the the original American vinyl versions and a lot, maybe the majority, "Fail." Folks, don't sell your Volumes 1 & 2 yet if you were otherwise inclined. I predict a huge demand once the dust settles on this new Box. Vol 1 and 2 arrived today and now I know what you guys meant about the packaging. That case will eventually split if you keep taking the cd's out of it so I took them all out and have them in my Beatles CD wallet. What a weird design. Yes I saw joey's article and when the majority were Fail there was no reason to buy it as I already have the 2009 Stereo Box Set. Then I checked amazon and all these people were giving it to Capitol calling them fraudulent etc .. so I've gone with the Capitol boxes.
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Post by ursamajor on Feb 4, 2014 17:10:03 GMT -5
Sometimes you just have to get it when you see it at a great price, it was $110 incl shipping before ?
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Post by joeyself on Feb 5, 2014 14:39:04 GMT -5
Yes, I don't remember exactly what I paid with the shipping, but it was right at $110.
I look forward to reading your impressions of what you just received. You will have something few of us do have toward those 8 albums: a fresh set of ears, and probably not as many prejudices (for and against) as a lot of us have.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 7, 2014 22:47:46 GMT -5
I saw this on the Amazon.ca page for this box:
"While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.ca because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)
We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible."
I have one on its way--delivery tomorrow or Monday, looks like--and wonder what the reported problem with the inventory is.
JcS
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Post by anyoneanyhow on Feb 7, 2014 23:08:41 GMT -5
The 2009 boxes were widely pirated, hope this box wasn't.
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Post by debjorgo on Feb 8, 2014 19:13:39 GMT -5
I'm curious about the mastered for iTunes files.
Has anyone did any kind of a/b review of these tracks. I thought about getting Meet the Beatles or Yesterday and Today just to do so. But hell, all of the Beatles discs are mastered for iTunes. I might as well get Let it Be or Abbey Road to test.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 10, 2014 23:56:45 GMT -5
Got my US ALBUMS box today from Amazon.ca. It was in great shape when it arrived. I've read on Hoffman's board there may be an issue with SECOND ALBUM, so I'm playing it first. Almost through with the mono half (more on that below) and no problem yet.
I question the wisdom of putting the mono version first on these discs. I know there are proponents of mono, those that think it's a superior mix, it's what the band itself was involved in mixing, etc. All that may be true, but I suspect for most buyers today that aren't listening on a handheld transistor to their ear, or through the clock radio in their bedroom, having the stereo mixes at the front of the disc would have been preferred. I know for THIS buyer, that's what I would have like better. I mean, I knew how it was configured when I bought it, and knew I'd be popping the selector up to the stereo version just about every time I played these--which won't be often, I'm sure.
Maybe the market research, if any, showed them the majority of potential customers would want the mono leading off the disc. All I can say is: They didn't ask me...
JcS
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 11, 2014 0:18:38 GMT -5
Got my US ALBUMS box today from Amazon.ca. It was in great shape when it arrived. I've read on Hoffman's board there may be an issue with SECOND ALBUM, so I'm playing it first. Almost through with the mono half (more on that below) and no problem yet. I question the wisdom of putting the mono version first on these discs. I know there are proponents of mono, those that think it's a superior mix, it's what the band itself was involved in mixing, etc. All that may be true, but I suspect for most buyers today that aren't listening on a handheld transistor to their ear, or through the clock radio in their bedroom, having the stereo mixes at the front of the disc would have been preferred. I know for THIS buyer, that's what I would have like better. I mean, I knew how it was configured when I bought it, and knew I'd be popping the selector up to the stereo version just about every time I played these--which won't be often, I'm sure. Maybe the market research, if any, showed them the majority of potential customers would want the mono leading off the disc. All I can say is: They didn't ask me... JcS Yikes! Mine came a couple weeks ago and I haven't pulled the shrink wrap off the box yet. I better go right to the Second Album before my return time expires.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 11, 2014 12:57:35 GMT -5
JSD, I had no problem with SECOND ALBUM. What I was reading on Hoffman's board was some guys were having trouble ripping it to their computer. It apparently played fine, but wasn't transferring as they thought it should. I ripped it, and didn't get any error message.
I found the booklet that came with it to be odd. It criticized several of the discs that were included--those that had just been sold to the consumer were called inferior (in so many words). Now, I don't expect it would change the opinion of the purchaser of the box, the majority of whom would know exactly what the pluses and minuses are of this set. It just seemed strange that it was so, well, blunt about how weak some of these titles were.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 11, 2014 13:06:49 GMT -5
JSD, I had no problem with SECOND ALBUM. What I was reading on Hoffman's board was some guys were having trouble ripping it to their computer. It apparently played fine, but wasn't transferring as they thought it should. I ripped it, and didn't get any error message. I found the booklet that came with it to be odd. It criticized several of the discs that were included--those that had just been sold to the consumer were called inferior (in so many words). Now, I don't expect it would change the opinion of the purchaser of the box, the majority of whom would know exactly what the pluses and minuses are of this set. It just seemed strange that it was so, well, blunt about how weak some of these titles were. JcS I have had that problem in burning lots of new releases! I make burned copies for my car because nowhere is more dusty than inside our cars, try as we might! I had a devil of a time burning the Dylan Isle Of Wight disc from the recent Dylan Box such that it made me several hours late meeting a friend in Michigan. I finally was able too burn it months later. I will try to burn these for my car. Thanks for the heads-up, I'll make sure not to try when pressured to hit the road!
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Post by ursamajor on Feb 12, 2014 6:19:58 GMT -5
I've been listening to the Capitol box sets now for over a week and so far I can say that the stereo versions of Meet the Beatles, The 2nd Album , Something New and The Early Years are awesome, they sound great, they just seem to have a fuller sound than the British versions, this covers all everything up to A Hard Day's Night plus the covers on the Long Tall Sally EP. For Beatles '65 and Beatles IVwhich has the majority of Beatles For Sale some of Help and the I Feel Fine/She's A Woman single , I can't tell the difference, I think I prefer the UK stereo remaster for Beatles For Sale and the echo on I Feel Fine / She's A Woman is just too much but it does sound fuller at the same time. With Help! I like all the instrumentals but the Help songs sound flat and the same goes with Rubber Soul but it's nice to hear the false start on I'm Looking Through You. The George Martin 1987 stereo mixes were the best IMO. The configurations of the first 3 Capitol albums are great, the first 3 and The Early Years are great albums, it's a shame that for some reason no room was found for From Me To You, There' A Place or Misery. The mono versions for the most part are redundant but there are some nice surprises like the single vocal on And I Love Her. In short I am happy with these and will listen to these in the car as an alternate Beatle listening experience. I found the US Box Set in Sydney today at an import store called Red Eye Records and it was priced as AUS $269.98. All the individual albums are available from there as well and they are at $21.98, I picked up A Hard Day's Night and Yesterday and Today so now I have all the ones that I want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 7:18:52 GMT -5
I've got the US Beatles Box set, wow, those albums are so strange , the albums are a real mix and match of songs released in Britain, i can't work out how the US record company came up with their album song lists.
They are like compilation albums, listening to them in order of release is the weirdest thing. I've seen the album covers many times but i've never listened to the albums as they were released in the States.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 12, 2014 8:37:56 GMT -5
I've been listening to the Capitol box sets now for over a week and so far I can say that the stereo versions of Meet the Beatles, The 2nd Album , Something New and The Early Years are awesome, they sound great, they just seem to have a fuller sound than the British versions, this covers all everything up to A Hard Day's Night plus the covers on the Long Tall Sally EP. I really like those stereo mixes too. In fact I got so into "Any Time At All" from Something New, I played it like 20 times in a row, very loud! Meet The Beatles is a lot of fun from Volume 1. I have not opened or played the new "American Box" yet as I am almost afraid I'll be disappointed. I am rediscovering Volumes 1 & 2.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 12, 2014 10:22:32 GMT -5
I've been listening to the Capitol box sets now for over a week and so far I can say that the stereo versions of Meet the Beatles, The 2nd Album , Something New and The Early Years are awesome, they sound great, they just seem to have a fuller sound than the British versions, I agree. It's part of the reason I much prefer the US versions these days. I also feel the song sequencings and arrangements on various US albums is superior (with the exception of REVOLVER) . The original UK recordings come off as so thin and empty when compared to the US ones.
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Post by dcshark on Feb 12, 2014 10:48:41 GMT -5
Interesting info on the 2nd Album. I bought the box set and this is the only one that I had problems playing on my stereo. It had a popping crackling noise throughout. It was kind of like listening to vinyl.
I played it on my surround sound and it was fine.
I was able to transfer the CD to my iTunes without any issue. And it sounds fine on my iPod too. I'll try making a copy.
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Post by John S. Damm on Feb 12, 2014 11:10:37 GMT -5
Interesting info on the 2nd Album. I bought the box set and this is the only one that I had problems playing on my stereo. It had a popping crackling noise throughout. It was kind of like listening to vinyl. I played it on my surround sound and it was fine. I was able to transfer the CD to my iTunes without any issue. And it sounds fine on my iPod too. I'll try making a copy. Oh no! I really need to open my box and play it.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 12, 2014 12:39:14 GMT -5
I've been listening to the Capitol box sets now for over a week and so far I can say that the stereo versions of Meet the Beatles, The 2nd Album , Something New and The Early Years are awesome, they sound great, they just seem to have a fuller sound than the British versions, this covers all everything up to A Hard Day's Night plus the covers on the Long Tall Sally EP. For Beatles '65 and Beatles IVwhich has the majority of Beatles For Sale some of Help and the I Feel Fine/She's A Woman single , I can't tell the difference, I think I prefer the UK stereo remaster for Beatles For Sale and the echo on I Feel Fine / She's A Woman is just too much but it does sound fuller at the same time. With Help! I like all the instrumentals but the Help songs sound flat and the same goes with Rubber Soul but it's nice to hear the false start on I'm Looking Through You. The George Martin 1987 stereo mixes were the best IMO. The configurations of the first 3 Capitol albums are great, the first 3 and The Early Years are great albums, it's a shame that for some reason no room was found for From Me To You, There' A Place or Misery. The mono versions for the most part are redundant but there are some nice surprises like the single vocal on And I Love Her. In short I am happy with these and will listen to these in the car as an alternate Beatle listening experience. I found the US Box Set in Sydney today at an import store called Red Eye Records and it was priced as AUS $269.98. All the individual albums are available from there as well and they are at $21.98, I picked up A Hard Day's Night and Yesterday and Today so now I have all the ones that I want. Glad you shared your thoughts with us on those boxes. You came to the table with a fresh set of ears and no agenda against them or nostalgia for them. Quick question: When you say the stereo versions of those albums mentioned in your first paragraph sound fuller than the British versions, are you comparing those with the 2009 stereo remasters? I ask because when the Capitol Boxes came out, there were fans that didn't like the mono editions of the first four that came out in '87, and preferred the stereo versions in the Capitol box. I had a bootleg/pirate--needledrop of the MFSL edition, I'm pretty sure--of the first four in stereo, and I liked it better than the UK mono CDs we had until 2009. It really is a shame that those three songs from '63 didn't find a home. I know there were some legal issues with VeeJay that may have come into play (but it didn't keep "I Saw Her Standing There" from appearing on MEET THE BEATLES), and I know there was a policy (royalty payment deal, I think) about putting more than 12 tracks on an album. The Veejay problem could explain why SOMETHING NEW didn't have any of those three (but rather the German "I Want To Hold Your Hand), but that wouldn't explain why THE EARLY BEATLES was only 11 tracks, or why three originals were passed over for all the covers. I'm glad you are enjoying this--it's a shame to pay money for something and not feel you got value for it! JcS
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Post by joeyself on Feb 12, 2014 12:40:47 GMT -5
Interesting info on the 2nd Album. I bought the box set and this is the only one that I had problems playing on my stereo. It had a popping crackling noise throughout. It was kind of like listening to vinyl. I played it on my surround sound and it was fine. I was able to transfer the CD to my iTunes without any issue. And it sounds fine on my iPod too. I'll try making a copy. I only played the disc on my computer; I will farm it out to my friend to let her play it on her car stereo. I don't know that it would make any difference, but it might. JcS
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Post by dcshark on Feb 12, 2014 13:21:58 GMT -5
Interesting info on the 2nd Album. I bought the box set and this is the only one that I had problems playing on my stereo. It had a popping crackling noise throughout. It was kind of like listening to vinyl. I played it on my surround sound and it was fine. I was able to transfer the CD to my iTunes without any issue. And it sounds fine on my iPod too. I'll try making a copy. Oh no! I really need to open my box and play it. I thought it was a problem with my cd player. It's old and, in fact, it's my old DVD player I really need a new stereo.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 12, 2014 14:32:22 GMT -5
Oh no! I really need to open my box and play it. I thought it was a problem with my cd player. It's old and, in fact, it's my old DVD player I really need a new stereo. I thought I was the only one using an old DVD player! JcS
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Post by ursamajor on Feb 13, 2014 5:45:16 GMT -5
I've been listening to the Capitol box sets now for over a week and so far I can say that the stereo versions of Meet the Beatles, The 2nd Album , Something New and The Early Years are awesome, they sound great, they just seem to have a fuller sound than the British versions, this covers all everything up to A Hard Day's Night plus the covers on the Long Tall Sally EP. For Beatles '65 and Beatles IVwhich has the majority of Beatles For Sale some of Help and the I Feel Fine/She's A Woman single , I can't tell the difference, I think I prefer the UK stereo remaster for Beatles For Sale and the echo on I Feel Fine / She's A Woman is just too much but it does sound fuller at the same time. With Help! I like all the instrumentals but the Help songs sound flat and the same goes with Rubber Soul but it's nice to hear the false start on I'm Looking Through You. The George Martin 1987 stereo mixes were the best IMO. The configurations of the first 3 Capitol albums are great, the first 3 and The Early Years are great albums, it's a shame that for some reason no room was found for From Me To You, There' A Place or Misery. The mono versions for the most part are redundant but there are some nice surprises like the single vocal on And I Love Her. In short I am happy with these and will listen to these in the car as an alternate Beatle listening experience. I found the US Box Set in Sydney today at an import store called Red Eye Records and it was priced as AUS $269.98. All the individual albums are available from there as well and they are at $21.98, I picked up A Hard Day's Night and Yesterday and Today so now I have all the ones that I want. Glad you shared your thoughts with us on those boxes. You came to the table with a fresh set of ears and no agenda against them or nostalgia for them. Quick question: When you say the stereo versions of those albums mentioned in your first paragraph sound fuller than the British versions, are you comparing those with the 2009 stereo remasters? I ask because when the Capitol Boxes came out, there were fans that didn't like the mono editions of the first four that came out in '87, and preferred the stereo versions in the Capitol box. I had a bootleg/pirate--needledrop of the MFSL edition, I'm pretty sure--of the first four in stereo, and I liked it better than the UK mono CDs we had until 2009. It really is a shame that those three songs from '63 didn't find a home. I know there were some legal issues with VeeJay that may have come into play (but it didn't keep "I Saw Her Standing There" from appearing on MEET THE BEATLES), and I know there was a policy (royalty payment deal, I think) about putting more than 12 tracks on an album. The Veejay problem could explain why SOMETHING NEW didn't have any of those three (but rather the German "I Want To Hold Your Hand), but that wouldn't explain why THE EARLY BEATLES was only 11 tracks, or why three originals were passed over for all the covers. I'm glad you are enjoying this--it's a shame to pay money for something and not feel you got value for it! JcS Hi Joey, yes I'm comparing them to the 2009 UK stereo remasters. The With the Beatles songs on the Second Album really rock harder than on the UK stereo remasters, I listened to them again and it's the drum sound, it's not as tinny and I think it's to do with the way Capitol mixed the songs. The guitars are also abit fuller and it sounds more like the savage young Beatles. The only song that just doesn't sound good to me on any release is Hold Me Tight, I can't tell between bass and guitars at all, it's just a muddy sound and in my opinion it was not recorded very well. I did not buy the 2009 mono remasters but I did read that the first two albums Please Please Me and With the Beatles were rated higher with the mono mix than the stereo mix. I didn't want to shell out money for another box set so I only bought the stereo one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 7:28:38 GMT -5
I don't think i'll ever play these US records again after the first time through.
These hybrid Beatles albums just aren't as good as the "real" Beatles albums. What's with those instrumentals, are they dire or what.
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 13, 2014 7:35:05 GMT -5
These hybrid Beatles albums just aren't as good as the "real" Beatles albums. What's with those instrumentals, are they dire or what. I think they're better than the UK albums (except for REVOLVER). For one thing, they have the songs in a solid sequencing, including many that were left stranded on stray singles and EPs over in England. As for the instrumentals, I'll take your "or what" option; I think they're wonderful on both AHDN and HELP! Those are movie soundtrack albums. "Ringo's Theme" in particular is just beautiful.
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Post by joeyself on Feb 13, 2014 8:52:49 GMT -5
I don't think i'll ever play these US records again after the first time through. These hybrid Beatles albums just aren't as good as the "real" Beatles albums. What's with those instrumentals, are they dire or what. They certainly will never be my "go-to" albums. The only real plus for these versions is the inclusion of the singles on albums that are the rough equivalent (MEET THE BEATLES with "I Want To Hold Your Hand" as the best example, "I Feel Fine" on '65 another good one). And I agree, AHDN and HELP! are only a shell of what they are in the UK editions. Those two are going to be played once and shelved, only to be played for reference purposes. If you don't have the nostalgia for them, they simply don't measure up. Here's my breakdown: PPM>THE EARLY BEATLES same lineup, minus 3 songs MTB=WITH THE BEATLES Only 12 songs, but the addition of the three to the 9 from WTB works. SECOND ALBUM Works better than it should, given all the covers, but having "She Loves You/I'll Get You" helps UK AHDN>US AHDN 13 Beatles songs vs. 8 and instrumentals? No contest SOMETHING NEW Ripoff, with several of the US AHDN repeated BFS>'65 This is close, though, with "I Feel Fine/She's A Woman" in the mix. VI A hodgepodge, "Bad Boy" was a nice bonus for the US fans, though UK HELP!>US HELP! AHDN all over, but worse: 14 songs vs. 7. UK RUBBER SOUL>US RUBBER SOUL I understand the attraction to the US RUBBER SOUL as a "folk rock" album. I don't agree it is better, but I do understand the affection for this collection. Y&T Weird collection, and yet, it somehow is listenable. UK REVOLVER>US REVOLVER Duh! 14 beats 11, especially when the US program has more Harrison than Lennon. HEY JUDE Served a good purpose at the time, but odd lineup with the two from AHDN. PAST MASTERS 2 is better. So, if I went to the shelf to pull something to listen to, none of these are clear choices over the UK album, but for a novelty listen, yeah, maybe once in awhile. Maybe. And maybe not. Now, if I'd grown up listening to them, then, yeah, I'd have a warmer feeling toward them. JcS
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Post by Joe Karlosi on Feb 13, 2014 9:11:43 GMT -5
Yet it also adds THINGS WE SAID TODAY, ANY TIME AT ALL, WHEN I GET HOME, and the EP songs: MATCHBOX and SLOW DOWN -- as well as a rare LP appearance for KOMM GIB MIRE DEINE HAND. All of these in superior quality, too .
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Post by joeyself on Feb 13, 2014 11:54:35 GMT -5
I did not buy the 2009 mono remasters but I did read that the first two albums Please Please Me and With the Beatles were rated higher with the mono mix than the stereo mix. I didn't want to shell out money for another box set so I only bought the stereo one. If I had to pick one, it would have been the stereo box--but I didn't even buy that one, because I didn't want to pay for YELLOW SUBMARINE again. Buying the other 14 individually (and I bought them all at once!) came out cheaper than buying the box. Now, I wish I had gone ahead and bought the box, but the thought of paying for the four songs I wanted on YS again, well, "It's all too much, for me to take." I only play the SONGTRACK these days when I want to hear those tunes. The Mono box is nice, but I don't play it too often unless I'm listening for something specific. Hearing PEPPER and The White Album mono mixes now and then is interesting. Whether it is worth the money is a subjective call. JcS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 2:46:55 GMT -5
I don't think i'll ever play these US records again after the first time through. These hybrid Beatles albums just aren't as good as the "real" Beatles albums. What's with those instrumentals, are they dire or what. They certainly will never be my "go-to" albums. The only real plus for these versions is the inclusion of the singles on albums that are the rough equivalent (MEET THE BEATLES with "I Want To Hold Your Hand" as the best example, "I Feel Fine" on '65 another good one). And I agree, AHDN and HELP! are only a shell of what they are in the UK editions. Those two are going to be played once and shelved, only to be played for reference purposes. If you don't have the nostalgia for them, they simply don't measure up. Here's my breakdown: PPM>THE EARLY BEATLES same lineup, minus 3 songs MTB=WITH THE BEATLES Only 12 songs, but the addition of the three to the 9 from WTB works. SECOND ALBUM Works better than it should, given all the covers, but having "She Loves You/I'll Get You" helps UK AHDN>US AHDN 13 Beatles songs vs. 8 and instrumentals? No contest SOMETHING NEW Ripoff, with several of the US AHDN repeated BFS>'65 This is close, though, with "I Feel Fine/She's A Woman" in the mix. VI A hodgepodge, "Bad Boy" was a nice bonus for the US fans, though UK HELP!>US HELP! AHDN all over, but worse: 14 songs vs. 7. UK RUBBER SOUL>US RUBBER SOUL I understand the attraction to the US RUBBER SOUL as a "folk rock" album. I don't agree it is better, but I do understand the affection for this collection. Y&T Weird collection, and yet, it somehow is listenable. UK REVOLVER>US REVOLVER Duh! 14 beats 11, especially when the US program has more Harrison than Lennon. HEY JUDE Served a good purpose at the time, but odd lineup with the two from AHDN. PAST MASTERS 2 is better. So, if I went to the shelf to pull something to listen to, none of these are clear choices over the UK album, but for a novelty listen, yeah, maybe once in awhile. Maybe. And maybe not. Now, if I'd grown up listening to them, then, yeah, I'd have a warmer feeling toward them. JcS Good summary Joey, i didn't grow up listening to the US versions so i don't warm to them. Interesting that some of the British B sides were album tracks in the US
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